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AaronP Omega Fleet Enterprises Omega Syndicate	Posted - 2006.09.13 20:09:00 - [1] Ok, lets have it. What is THE best Assault frigate out there, whos got the best DPS whilst being able to tank enough damage. Whats the best when it comes to solo flying, whats the best when it comes to small gang warfare? So.. whats the ULTIMATE assault frigate?
Shandling	Posted - 2006.09.13 20:20:00 - [2] I hear a lot of people touting the Ishkur/Enyo. I've never flown them, but I gotta tell you I LOVE my Jaguar and have beaten both Ishkurs and Enyos (and have been beaten by them too) so I'd say it really depends on your skills - both your skillpoints and your abilities as a pilot.
Audri Fisher Caldari The Keep THE R0CK	Posted - 2006.09.13 20:35:00 - [3] Never flown one, but on paper, the jag makes me drool. Very nice even shield resist, plus the ability to choose damage types. You might as well be shooting spitballs with a Harpy against a Gallente or Caldar AF.
Nebuli Caldari Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2006.09.13 20:38:00 - [4] Jag and Ishkur are my favourites. Harpy is very good for fleet support though, can get 100k range with it reasonably easily which pops support frigs approaching main fleet very well. CEO - Art of War
Archo X Caldari	Posted - 2006.09.13 20:48:00 - [5] I always liked my alt with a Retri... Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty - Cortes I got h4xXx0rzed!!!!11!!on3!!!111!1el3ventEEn!!!11 N3RF teh modz!!!
AaronP Omega Fleet Enterprises Omega Syndicate	Posted - 2006.09.13 20:53:00 - [6] Ishkur seems to be winning thus far then... I'll be purchasing an Ishkur on Friday, so its looking a good choice then.
dec0 Caldari Yesodic Nomads Corp Triumvirate.	Posted - 2006.09.13 22:43:00 - [7] I love my harpy, the t2 rails can suck your cap a bit but just shove a t2 em hardener on it and you have a decent tank while having room to put a scrambler/webber/ab on. Probably isnt the best af, as i aint flown other races, but its still good
Darknar	Posted - 2006.09.13 22:52:00 - [8] i have been having success with the enyo. only problme with it is the limited predictable options. 4 T2 ion blasters or 4 T2 125mm rails i found that the high damage output enyo versus a high tank enyo serves better. although its fragile and better when you have several ships flying about with you this is the blaster equiped version the rail enyo on the other hand is better with a decent tank. in a fleet you want the extra dmage of the enyo gunboat at your side. specially when there is a squadron of at least 2 or 3 of em. ishkur on the other hand is a droneship. better suited in the tackling roll, and having its drone do the most damage. ive not got too much experiance with the other assalt ship varents, but i know that the enyo can solo 2 retributions and a wolf if you setup for long range rails, and they only have short ranged pulses or autos. only problem is unless you fit a scrambler they can run away and come back within a few minuets. so unless you have a MWD and or stabs you will have to keep fighting keeping outta range untll your ammo goes, or renforsments in the form of interceptors come in. possibly both. assalt ships are not ment to be solo pwan mobiles but some of them come close to it. they work so much better in frigate groups. /me dreams of seeing a group of ishtars, incursus and enyos flying about.
Grimpak Gallente Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.09.13 22:56:00 - [9] I myself am finding that I like the vengeance. today I had a run in with an enemy T2 javelin torp raven. he couldn't break my tank with it so atm I rate the vengeance, the ishkur and the jaguar as pretty nasty beasts. ------- Originally by: Abdalion Originally by: Jebidus Skari What, in EVE, is a Tyrant? Me. Especially when it comes to troll threads.
Nebuli Caldari Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2006.09.13 22:58:00 - [10] Originally by: Darknar i have been having success with the enyo. only problme with it is the limited predictable options. 4 T2 ion blasters or 4 T2 125mm rails i found that the high damage output enyo versus a high tank enyo serves better. although its fragile and better when you have several ships flying about with you this is the blaster equiped version the rail enyo on the other hand is better with a decent tank. in a fleet you want the extra dmage of the enyo gunboat at your side. specially when there is a squadron of at least 2 or 3 of em. ishkur on the other hand is a droneship. better suited in the tackling roll, and having its drone do the most damage. ive not got too much experiance with the other assalt ship varents, but i know that the enyo can solo 2 retributions and a wolf if you setup for long range rails, and they only have short ranged pulses or autos. only problem is unless you fit a scrambler they can run away and come back within a few minuets. so unless you have a MWD and or stabs you will have to keep fighting keeping outta range untll your ammo goes, or renforsments in the form of interceptors come in. possibly both. assalt ships are not ment to be solo pwan mobiles but some of them come close to it. they work so much better in frigate groups. /me dreams of seeing a group of ishtars, incursus and enyos flying about. Enyo can solo 2 retributions and a wolf? were they afk? CEO - Art of War

Franky B Mentally Unstable Enterprises	Posted - 2006.09.13 23:39:00 - [11] enyo's have a tremendous power reserve for fittings 4 T2 neutrons, 1 rocket launcher, MWD and tank can all fit and obviously pumps out incredible amounts of damage. best in small gangs mind you
Mr Trade	Posted - 2006.09.13 23:54:00 - [12] Wolf. 3 200s, 1 150, nos mwd ii, scram sar ii, 2 gyro ii, 1 nano Tanks are for the weak.
Flax Volcanus Tea And Sympathy Ltd. Liability	Posted - 2006.09.14 00:44:00 - [13] I like the Wolf for tackling, the Ishkur for damage and the Jag for speed. But I could not get both good damage and a reasonable tank on the Jag, so I got rid of that one. On the fence about Hawk and Harpy, but I have one of each.
Rawr Cristina Caldari	Posted - 2006.09.14 01:03:00 - [14] Originally by: Mr Trade Tanks are for the weak. say that when trying to kill a dual-rep retribution with therm hardener :S
Nebuli Caldari Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2006.09.14 02:09:00 - [15] Originally by: Flax Volcanus I like the Wolf for tackling, the Ishkur for damage and the Jag for speed. But I could not get both good damage and a reasonable tank on the Jag, so I got rid of that one. On the fence about Hawk and Harpy, but I have one of each. How do you tackle reliably with 2 mid slots? CEO - Art of War
Vicious Phoenix	Posted - 2006.09.14 02:10:00 - [16] Jaguar. CFW (Certified Forum Warrior) I kill people ingame too.
Kyguard Our Brothers Five 3rd Front Alliance	Posted - 2006.09.14 02:16:00 - [17] Ishkur and Vengeance hands down. === God is on the side with the best artillery.
Kashre Minmatar Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.09.14 02:50:00 - [18] Originally by: Flax Volcanus I like the Wolf for tackling, the Ishkur for damage and the Jag for speed. But I could not get both good damage and a reasonable tank on the Jag, so I got rid of that one. On the fence about Hawk and Harpy, but I have one of each. +++ "Etiquette is for the Dojo. In war there is only victory or death." - Eiji Yoshikawa
Benglada Finite Auxiliary	Posted - 2006.09.14 03:27:00 - [19] Edited by: Benglada on 14/09/2006 03:27:23 damage: Gank neutron enyo tank:gistii hawk non faction tank:retribution range:hawk ghetto fab: Jaguar versatility: ishkur --------------------------- Originally by: Arkanor 0.0 is the Final Frontier. Bring money and friends.
zevex	Posted - 2006.09.14 05:36:00 - [20] Edited by: zevex on 14/09/2006 05:37:31 There is no question that the Retribution has a fantastic tank, and dishes out decent damage, but it onlt has one midslot so it is lousy for PvP. The Jag and the Enyo seem to be at the top of their game when engaging any assault frigs other than themselves and eachother. All other AF's should tremble in their presence, unless you are a sniping Harpy who has warped in at range(in which case the Jag/Enyo simply warps away). The setup that I fly on my Jag does 180+ DPS and has a nice passive tank. The only frig calss vessles that can break my tank before I kill them is the Enyo, a highly skilled Crow, or another Jag. (The Retribution can as well, but he does not count, as he cannot keep me as a target if I don't want him to.) So at the end of the day, I think that the Jag wins. It's the only one that can pick and chose which targets to engage, catch them, and then actually hold them down. All the while doing decent damage with a decent tank.

Murukan Minmatar The Priory	Posted - 2006.09.14 07:33:00 - [21] I would say ishkur and jaguar. Ishkur packing warrior 2's is a nasty beast. I absolutely love my jaguar too. I find enyos are really lackign with only 2 mids as they can't web. Without the web they are pretty predictable if you just look at them as you're approaching. If i see they have blasters you just have to sit at around 7km and comfortable shoot away in your falloff. If they have rails on just zoom up real close and pound them in close. Granted i have always been in a jag for them. If i see an ishkur i'm usually like ** it and i leave. In rust we trust!!!**
Nicose Caldari Wreckless Abandon	Posted - 2006.09.14 09:11:00 - [22] Harpy, hands down, no competition. the best AF
Hoshi Masurao	Posted - 2006.09.14 09:20:00 - [23] Originally by: Nicose Harpy, hands down, no competition. the best AF Nice sig, shame about the unfounded and explaination-free comment Harpy is great, but very specalised. Not the best all-rounder. And yes, I do fly one.
Shadowsword Gallente COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2006.09.14 09:21:00 - [24] Originally by: Benglada Edited by: Benglada on 14/09/2006 03:27:23 damage: Gank neutron enyo tank:gistii hawk non faction tank:retribution range:hawk ghetto fab: Jaguar versatility: ishkur I'm pretty sure a skilled Ishkur pilot can outdamage an enyo. Same damage bonus, one less gun, but a more drone-based DPS. ------------------------------------------ Nuhwall: Why are some Amarr ships warping backward? Shadowsword: whatever happen, if they need to flee they can honestly say the faced the enemy.
Laythun Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.09.14 09:28:00 - [25] pure dmg + tank = retribution hands down. i used to solo in this thing in syndicate back before people knew about it properly, can u say instapop ceptor before he realises hes in tha ****...(tanking a harpy and a crow indefinately 4tw) otherwise ishkur if u want a leisurely time of it Sig Removed. Some contents are not appropriate for Eve. -ReverendM ([email protected]) Remember to include a copy of your image.See You In Space Cowboy[/url]
welsh wizard Celestial Apocalypse	Posted - 2006.09.14 09:34:00 - [26] Crow > short range AF.
Hoshi Masurao	Posted - 2006.09.14 09:38:00 - [27] Originally by: welsh wizard Crow > short range AF. Useful comment > what you just said
welsh wizard Celestial Apocalypse	Posted - 2006.09.14 09:48:00 - [28] I thought so. :)
Grimpak Gallente Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.09.14 09:51:00 - [29] Originally by: welsh wizard Crow > short range AF. crows can't break my passive jagabond ------- Originally by: Abdalion Originally by: Jebidus Skari What, in EVE, is a Tyrant? Me. Especially when it comes to troll threads.
Elisa Reaptear	Posted - 2006.09.14 09:55:00 - [30] dual mfs Enyo with neutrons and rockets is my fav. insane damage, you'll need to get fairly close tho

Lord Infy Amarr No Quarter. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.09.14 09:55:00 - [31] Edited by: Lord Infy on 14/09/2006 09:55:49 I've engaged both an enyo and an ishkur 1on1 on me Retribution. Yes, I did not have a srambler fitted, they both rather died than warped out. Poor ishkur had t2 exp drones tho. Bad choice on me 80% exp armor resistance.
Hoshi Masurao	Posted - 2006.09.14 10:13:00 - [32] Silly Ishkur pilot. Shouldn't take out drones that only do a naturally high resistance damage type. If you've got the choice, but have to take one type, always take Kin/Therm.
OhMyGodess Caldari Xenobytes Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.09.14 10:16:00 - [33] Originally by: AaronP So.. whats the ULTIMATE assault frigate? i think it's someone between gallente and minmatar ones (harpy not bad too) amarr afs just suck.. enyo with rails good for support and with blasters - taranis better rly. ishkur have best dps with drones and blasters.. but this things too slow enyo/thorax ishkur/vexor - second counterparts are batter in all aspects exept enyo with rails. jaguar and wolf on the other side - is pretty damn good for AF p.s. but again, until they don't get 4th bonus they are destined to be noobhunters PvE friends in 0.0 rly. (Ishkur best in this)
Kyozoku Loot	Posted - 2006.09.14 10:28:00 - [34] Retri is the king of frigates.
VeNT Minmatar Freelancer Union	Posted - 2006.09.14 11:03:00 - [35] Jag is good all round, wolfs got more damage output but doesn't have the options that the jag does. love my jag, only ship thats got me out of it is my sleip. -------------------- Selena 001 > has VeNT left system? its gone really quiet!
zwerg Caldari mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2006.09.14 11:28:00 - [36] Originally by: Kyozoku Retri is the king of frigates. Edit: Story: Yesterday i killed a well skilled pilots retribution with my rifter [ PvP ] - Arty, so king? well thats only one thing that i killed it in that case, maybe wrong fitting. But: Retribution is useless as Solo Ship [ no point ] Retribution isnt fast enough to get in range for pulses while fitting a scrambler/webber [ no point ] The only point it gets is in Gang Op's, [ one point ] _________________________________________ I prefer the Jagabond, just because noone beat it when i flown it to do solo piracy/pvp. Why: Fast, can tank, Damage Output is great, Can choose Damage, when right flown you got the I-Win [youCan'tHitMe] Buttom. Otherwize of course every Assault Frigate is good in its way. so clear answer to ya question m8: THERE IS NOT A PERFECT UBER WTFPWNMOBILE AF greetings zwerg Save the whales!!! Harpoon some Amarrians!!!!
Jinn Gennosuke	Posted - 2006.09.14 11:38:00 - [37] Quote: THERE IS NOT A PERFECT UBER WTFPWNMOBILE AF Except for the Jagabond
MrRookie Caldari Dark and Light inc. D-L	Posted - 2006.09.14 11:43:00 - [38] I like the retribution, but for pvp you really need a mate along for tackling. It's potentially the highest dps AF or you could go with the best tank ________________________________________________ ________________________________________________
zwerg Caldari mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2006.09.14 12:23:00 - [39] Originally by: Jinn Gennosuke Quote: THERE IS NOT A PERFECT UBER WTFPWNMOBILE AF Except for the Jagabond Jagabond can be beaten too of course: Take a 150mm Harpy with a decent tank and good skills or a Artillary Claw and say byebye miss wannabe vagabond. Well it all depends on fitting as the most peeps know. Save the whales!!! Harpoon some Amarrians!!!!
Ysolde Xen Minmatar Liberal Trading Co Electus Matari	Posted - 2006.09.14 14:06:00 - [40] Jaguar, Ishkur then Retribution in my experience. Jaguar because it can do anything and everything with only minor setup shanges, Ishkur because it's very well balanced and Retri because if someone else can keep 'em scrammed, you will just annihilate them with barely a scratch to your paintwork. ----- It's not a crap ship, you're just flying it all wrong.

OhMyGodess Caldari Xenobytes Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.09.14 14:50:00 - [41] Originally by: Ysolde Xen Retri because if someone else can keep 'em scrammed, you will just annihilate them with barely a scratch to your paintwork. enyo will do that better/more dps
Electric Cucumber Amarr Beagle Corp	Posted - 2006.09.14 14:56:00 - [42] Originally by: OhMyGodess Originally by: Ysolde Xen Retri because if someone else can keep 'em scrammed, you will just annihilate them with barely a scratch to your paintwork. enyo will do that better/more dps Not really.
Hoshi Masurao	Posted - 2006.09.14 15:34:00 - [43] Ok, so after reading so many people rave about the Jaguar, I went on the ship fittings post and read up. People there don't seem to be overly impressed with it, complaining about Sig radius with extenders and lack of DPS. What are you guys fitting that makes it so OMGWTFUb3r?
fisheN Caldari adeptus gattacus Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.09.14 15:52:00 - [44] My blaster harpy has good DPS and good resist, its doesn't take alot of good skills to fly it. HIGH: 4x light ion blaster II MED: 1x web 1x shield hardener (active) 1x cap recharge 1x small shield expander t2 LOW: 2x pdu // fisheN am i a rookie? :S
Hoshi Masurao	Posted - 2006.09.14 16:00:00 - [45] Originally by: fisheN My blaster harpy has good DPS and good resist, its doesn't take alot of good skills to fly it. HIGH: 4x light ion blaster II MED: 1x web 1x shield hardener (active) 1x cap recharge 1x small shield expander t2 LOW: 2x pdu // fisheN Ok, so when they realise you can't break 300ms, and that you've got blasters fitted, you'll get 20km scrammed, and never catch them to web them. Blaster setups require speed to be anywhere near effective. I'm pretty sure you'd get pwnt by almost any other "standard" AF setup.
Ituralde Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2006.09.14 16:03:00 - [46] Wolf or Jag I would say. I like the retri too it can't survive at all against the wolf or jag just due to their resists. However, I can sleep through crushing an Ishkur or Enyo in most situations it it. Fear is the mind-killer.
Flax Volcanus Tea And Sympathy Ltd. Liability	Posted - 2006.09.14 16:58:00 - [47] Originally by: Hoshi Masurao Ok, so after reading so many people rave about the Jaguar, I went on the ship fittings post and read up. People there don't seem to be overly impressed with it, complaining about Sig radius with extenders and lack of DPS. What are you guys fitting that makes it so OMGWTFUb3r? Yeah, can you post a setup? I do better solo with my Wolf than I did with the Jag.
LordSlay Them Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.09.14 19:01:00 - [48] I fly Gal AF's and must say they are a beut. Jagabonds are extremely nice and are the only ones i would have second thoughts about engaging in a 1v1 with. Although i will never forget during the NFC war when i flew my enyo into a ferox, jag, wolf, killed the jag got the wolf in structure and warped off..poor guys just didn't know what a enyo with t2 neutrons could do.... There is no best AF, but for solo jag would be best bet imo, gang would be something USEFUL to the gang, hence 3 med slots, which would be an ishy, so then its not just you putting 1 point on the enemy, its you putting one point webbing and pounding his ass into pulp.
Grimpak Gallente Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.09.14 19:19:00 - [49] Originally by: LordSlay Them There is no best AF, but for solo jag would be best bet imo, gang would be something USEFUL to the gang, hence 3 med slots, which would be an ishy, so then its not just you putting 1 point on the enemy, its you putting one point webbing and pounding his ass into pulp. a pulse vengeance can do that aswell. pulses + conflags in a ship that only needs an energised thermal membrane to reach over 60% overall resistances = hard nut to *** and some heavy firepower. Need more range? scorch helps with that. ------- Originally by:** Abdalion Originally by: Jebidus Skari What, in EVE, is a Tyrant? Me. Especially when it comes to troll threads.
inSpirAcy The Solopwnmobiles	Posted - 2006.09.14 19:28:00 - [50] Originally by: Grimpak a pulse vengeance can do that aswell. pulses + conflags in a ship that only needs an energised thermal membrane to reach over 60% overall resistances = hard nut to ***** and some heavy firepower. Need more range? scorch helps with that. I have a love-hate relationship with my Vengeance at the moment, though I'm surprised to see two votes for it as (close to) best AF. I think I just haven't found that "right" setup for it yet. I keep bouncing between two, and swapping an MWD in and out, balancing the tank/gank... still don't feel as safe as I do in my Ishkur.

Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve Kimotoro Directive	Posted - 2006.09.14 19:30:00 - [51] Originally by: AaronP Ok, lets have it. What is THE best Assault frigate out there, whos got the best DPS whilst being able to tank enough damage. Whats the best when it comes to solo flying, whats the best when it comes to small gang warfare? So.. whats the ULTIMATE assault frigate? A Harpy with a Gistii small a-type would be insanely uber with a full HG crystal set, and some faction hardeners. Ofcourse, even the best Afs will get rocked by a well setup cruiser. Sorry you can't afford a dev so you get me instead ^^ - Xorus I hear Xorus is only 50 isk an hour - Immy Oooh that could get Suvetar for the day! - Cathath For 50, you can have my goat:P- Tirg
Ginaz Veto.	Posted - 2006.09.14 19:32:00 - [52] PvE: Retribution, Harpy, Enyo PvP: Jaguar, Ishkur Video: 'Behind enemy lines' Queen of the Amazones
Guillame Herschel Gallente Cheers Restaurant and Bar Nova Republic	Posted - 2006.09.14 19:34:00 - [53] Evil Ishkur: 3x Neutron IIs, Nosferatu MWD, Web, Drone Nav Link MAPC, 2x MagStab II (might be running up against CPU here) Drones: 5x EV-300 Those EV drones erase more cap than 2 1/2 Small Diminishing. With the drone nav link they fly close to 6000 m/s. Their range is 5000m. You can keep a couple Hobs in the leftover drone space and use them to help finish him off when you got the target on your own Nosf. -- Guile can always trump hardware --
Grimpak Gallente Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.09.14 19:36:00 - [54] Originally by: inSpirAcy Originally by: Grimpak a pulse vengeance can do that aswell. pulses + conflags in a ship that only needs an energised thermal membrane to reach over 60% overall resistances = hard nut to *** and some heavy firepower. Need more range? scorch helps with that. I have a love-hate relationship with my Vengeance at the moment, though I'm surprised to see two votes for it as (close to) best AF. I think I just haven't found that "right" setup for it yet. I keep bouncing between two, and swapping an MWD in and out, balancing the tank/gank... still don't feel as safe as I do in my Ishkur. I try to fit a tank with mwd. true the cap won't hold with everything on, but hey, the mwd is just there to approach. I also fit a 20km'er wich can be very usefull if used correctly. oh btw, with my skills, the pulses have a dmg mod of 6.5x. pretty powerfull, specially with conflags that can hit arround for 300 wreckings and an avg of 50 to 80dmg per shot. the ship can take a pounding. I had a run in with a javelin torp raven 2 days ago, and even with unleashing a handfull of T2 warriors (ok the vengeance has a 80% resist to expl but still, they hurt) I just needed to start popping the warriors so that he wouldn't hurt the tank. since then I've prefered the ship for heavy tackling duty simply because it doesn't rely on a volatile form of firepower (drones), in wich the ishkur relies. ------- Originally by:** Abdalion Originally by: Jebidus Skari What, in EVE, is a Tyrant? Me. Especially when it comes to troll threads.


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