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Gonada Gallente Cross Roads	Posted - 2006.09.13 22:19:00 - [1] so, think many can agree that macro miners are a problem. most of it stems from being unable to do anything about it due to them being in noobcorps. so why cant you have a 30 day grace period upon starting a subscription, then get auto-ejected from the noob corp, into a wardeccable sector corp: ex: gallent unaligned, caldari unaligned, ect ect. or, have it so you have to gain sufficient faction with the unwardeccable corps, just like clones (8.0) in order to join them? either way the problem with macro miners is getting rediculus. discuss. -I don't necessarily agree with everything I say.-
LUGAL MOP'N'GLO	Posted - 2006.09.13 22:26:00 - [2] first part, signed. Second part, no. Don't even make n00b corp status an option. Lone Wolfs will have to pay the price. ~~~~~~~~~ I wish my lawn was EMO so it would cut itself. I approve of this message.
lofty29 Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2006.09.13 22:28:00 - [3] Why not make the skills that cannot be trained on a trial account, untrainable while you are in an NPC corp? Stops people being sat in them, and newbies generally leave before they have a cruiser. --------------------------- Originally by: inSpirAcy Just like a tumour, the Brutix grows on you. I pwnz0r your sig, muahaha - Tirg Noes i got beat by a girl >.< - Xorus
LUGAL MOP'N'GLO	Posted - 2006.09.13 22:30:00 - [4] Originally by: lofty29 Why not make the skills that cannot be trained on a trial account, untrainable while you are in an NPC corp? Stops people being sat in them, and newbies generally leave before they have a cruiser. YES LOFTY FTFW!!!!! ~~~~~~~~~ I wish my lawn was EMO so it would cut itself. I approve of this message.
Maya Rkell Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.09.13 22:35:00 - [5] "so, think many can agree that macro miners are a problem." An absolutely tiny one in Eve, which is NOT worth placing silly restrictions on new players for, since that simply canabalises the future of Eve. However, for reasons unrelated to this I agree with you - when faction war comes in, this should be exactly what happens. Not wardeccable, but killable by the faction enemies. lofty29, skills which people quite reasonably expect to be using in their FIRST WEEK, it's quite unreasonable to expect players to leave the newbcorp to train. This is known as "eating your children"... //Maya
LUGAL MOP'N'GLO	Posted - 2006.09.13 22:37:00 - [6] Originally by: Maya Rkell lofty29, skills which people quite reasonably expect to be using in their FIRST WEEK, it's quite unreasonable to expect players to leave the newbcorp to train. This is known as "eating your children"... No industrials, no mining barges... That's it. Whispers: "Me thinks Maya has 'people working' for her" ~~~~~~~~~ I wish my lawn was EMO so it would cut itself. I approve of this message.
lofty29 Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2006.09.13 22:42:00 - [7] Originally by: LUGAL MOP'N'GLO Originally by: lofty29 Why not make the skills that cannot be trained on a trial account, untrainable while you are in an NPC corp? Stops people being sat in them, and newbies generally leave before they have a cruiser. YES LOFTY FTFW!!!!! First time anyones said that in a while --------------------------- Originally by: inSpirAcy Just like a tumour, the Brutix grows on you. I pwnz0r your sig, muahaha - Tirg Noes i got beat by a girl >.< - Xorus
Maya Rkell Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.09.13 22:51:00 - [8] Originally by: LUGAL MOP'N'GLO Originally by: Maya Rkell lofty29, skills which people quite reasonably expect to be using in their FIRST WEEK, it's quite unreasonable to expect players to leave the newbcorp to train. This is known as "eating your children"... No industrials, no mining barges... That's it. Whispers: "Me thinks Maya has 'people working' for her" Want to take it to a higher authority? PLEASE do. And let me know how hard you get laughed at. Industrials ARE something a player would reasonably expect to use within the week. //Maya
LUGAL MOP'N'GLO	Posted - 2006.09.13 23:07:00 - [9] Originally by: Maya Rkell Originally by: LUGAL MOP'N'GLO Originally by: Maya Rkell lofty29, skills which people quite reasonably expect to be using in their FIRST WEEK, it's quite unreasonable to expect players to leave the newbcorp to train. This is known as "eating your children"... No industrials, no mining barges... That's it. Whispers: "Me thinks Maya has 'people working' for her" Want to take it to a higher authority? PLEASE do. And let me know how hard you get laughed at. Industrials ARE something a player would reasonably expect to use within the week. New concept for Maya: Joke. Don't shoot it all down with petty crap. Of course a player with a week should be able to fly an industrial, but how about other checks and balances? Such as... NPC Corporation members will be limited to: T1 ships only No mining barges No ship bigger than Battlecruiser (To eliminate Apoc mining) etc. It wouldn't be foolproof, but it would deter. They would definately find a way around it. Might even get large alliances to 'sponsor' their macro operations. cough Maya. - Its a joke don't kill me. ~~~~~~~~~ I wish my lawn was EMO so it would cut itself. I approve of this message.
Maya Rkell Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.09.13 23:20:00 - [10] New concept for LUGAL MOP'N'GLO: THings you can get instantly perma-banned over arn't funny. None of those are checks and balances, so you make the macro'ers spend the peny-cahs of 1.5 mil for each cgaracter to make a corp. Wow! All you do is punish perfectly legimate players. ALL. "It wouldn't be foolproof, but it would deter." Yes, it WOULD deter legitimate players from keeping on playing. As I said, the macrominers would be in 1-man corps. And no, again, it's not funny. DON'T do it again. You're making a serious accusation. //Maya

Esaka Caldari	Posted - 2006.09.13 23:22:00 - [11] If you really think that macro-miners are a big problem then you obviously never have played lineage2. That game seriously has problems with bots and sweatshops. Farmers in L2 are more or less in complete control of all end-game raid bosses. Thats basicly like having all complexes and officer spawns in eve under their control. They recently opened up a new server and thats how it looks on of the starting spots there. I've seen macro-miners and i've also seen bots that run missions in eve, it's annoying to look at but how much of a bother are they if they keep in 0.5+? Whom are they competing with there? Other 'carebears'? Whatever your reasons are to wardec single persons, they are hardly justifiable with macro-miners. -------------------------------------- Agent & Mission-Info: http://www.eveinfo.com
Gonada Gallente Cross Roads	Posted - 2006.09.13 23:28:00 - [12] If you really think that macro-miners are a big problem then you obviously never have played lineage2. That game seriously has problems with bots and sweatshops. Farmers in L2 are more or less in complete control of all end-game raid bosses. ------------------------------------------- i know, ive played lineage, and yes macro miners ARE a problem, flooding the market with billions of isk, that doesnt sound like a problem to you? watching them move from system to system systematicly mining everything, leaving nothing? the trick is to get CCP to get off their arse and do soemthing bout it. -I don't necessarily agree with everything I say.-
Erotic Irony Sturm und Drang	Posted - 2006.09.13 23:34:00 - [13] I've noticed everything you post is aggressively virulent so I thought we'd revisit some of the golden advice you enrich the community with. Do you like this advice? Originally by: Gonada Edited by: Gonada on 09/09/2006 23:06:44 seriously, I have been reading the boards forever( yrs) always see posts about lag, and yet me, and those i play with hardly ever experience it. so wth is your problem? i mean ya, we had to leave Jita area long ago, cause with 500 ppl in local it was a tad laggy, but nothing really terrible but thats USING YOUR HEAD, NOT STAYING THERE AND CRYING LIKE A SICK MULE. you know, that the computer, the connection, and the optimization of both play a HUGE part of the lag problems, butg this simple logic falls on deaf ears all the time. and no i dont have an uber system( 2.8 athalon, 2 gig ram GF 6800 vid card) So, on behalf of all those that are tired of your whiney posts: LEAVE ALLREADY Play nice. Avon: For the love of all the is holy, do as the man says CCP.
Esaka Caldari	Posted - 2006.09.13 23:37:00 - [14] Originally by: Gonada i know, ive played lineage, and yes macro miners ARE a problem, flooding the market with billions of isk, that doesnt sound like a problem to you? Oh yeah, because mining adds ISK to the game right? If anything they LOWER the cost for items, because they add minerals to the game. Originally by: Gonada watching them move from system to system systematicly mining everything, leaving nothing? For 'leaving nothing' i've seen plenty belts with ore. And if at all this problem would arise in 0.5+ which isn't exactly known to have the best ore. -------------------------------------- Agent & Mission-Info: http://www.eveinfo.com
Maya Rkell Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.09.13 23:41:00 - [15] Esaka, they are a problem in L2. Yes. Which also has problems with IGE and Yantis. The ebay market for Eve is unviable for the professional farmers, and IGE and Yantis don't touch Eve with a stick. The value of the Ebay market for Eve is a fraction of the value of that for games far smaller. "I've seen macro-miners and i've also seen bots that run missions in eve, it's " Proof plz. Gonada, CCP have done something. Something which SMASHED the value of the Eve ebay market by over fifteen times, while causing NO in-game inflation. This is a unique and powerful blow against the macrominers. What is that blow? Allowing ETC sales for ISK. Your witch hunt and hatred for newer players is unjustified. //Maya
Esaka Caldari	Posted - 2006.09.13 23:50:00 - [16] Originally by: Maya Rkell "I've seen macro-miners and i've also seen bots that run missions in eve, it's " Proof plz. A proof for what? The mission running bots? I've counted 22 'player' from SWA, all same bloodline, all same naming scheme, all same age, all trial accounts, all in a caracal with the same setup, all logging in at the same time, all running missions for expert distribution in a system quite far away from caldari space and never picking up any cans. -------------------------------------- Agent & Mission-Info: http://www.eveinfo.com
Gretchen Dawntreader Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2006.09.13 23:54:00 - [17] This again? People have over and over suggested booting people out of noobcorps after X whatevers...I see it as an elephant gun solution that is new player unfriendly. All you will do by this is treat all new players as if they are presumed to be breaking the rules. EVE thrives by influx of new players. They should be encouraged and not pushed into pvp/wardec/whatever territory until they choose to do so. Also people like to stay in noobcorps to help the noobs. I know quite a few who have done just that, and they do more service to EVE than all the people coming up with whacky scheme #10437556 to get at those pesky macroers. There's plenty of people for you to shoot, leave noob corps alone. I left my starter noob corp, tried a player corp, it didn't work out, so now I am in Brutor. Guess what. You can't wardec me. Tough. I'm not a macro user and people who are not macrominers should be able to choose the course and timing of their gameplay evolution without interference. They made it not feasible to farm belts in a trial account. That didn't seem to slow them down. Now you propose to do the same to new players in noob corps, what makes you think that's going to do anything. Declare them, they'll just disband and form a new corp. In the meantime thousands of newbies get their game constricted. Why does every problem in EVE have to be solved by increasing the number of people someone gets to shoot at....
Maya Rkell Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.09.14 00:35:00 - [18] Fine Esaka, and you petitioned them? Because if you did...and they're still arround... guess what? You were wrong. CCP is the arbitrator of this, NOT you. Gretchen's right. //Maya
Esaka Caldari	Posted - 2006.09.14 00:49:00 - [19] Originally by: Maya Rkell Fine Esaka, and you petitioned them? Because if you did...and they're still arround... guess what? You were wrong. CCP is the arbitrator of this, NOT you. Do you have some reading issues? They are on a trial account and after exactly 14 days they stopped 'working' and were never seen again. Of course the next generation came in a bit later. It doesn't take any 'arbitrator' to state the obvious, but hey come up with some creative explanation what those guys did. I bet they are hardcore eve fans that only like to grind lvl2 missions for 23/7 and nothing else. -------------------------------------- Agent & Mission-Info: http://www.eveinfo.com
Gonada Gallente Cross Roads	Posted - 2006.09.14 00:51:00 - [20] Edited by: Gonada on 14/09/2006 00:54:45 Fine Esaka, and you petitioned them? Because if you did...and they're still arround... guess what? You were wrong. CCP is the arbitrator of this, NOT you. ----------------- actually Maya, CCP is famous fo sitting on their ass and doing nothing last week i stole over 9 million veld from macro miners over a 10 hr period, petitioning the gms 4 times, and each time they gave me their auto- respoonce and nothing happened. i have 14 names on my macro miner list in the region i keep my miner and regularily steal ore from them now, though i notice some have left the area lately. CCP needs to be more pro-active -I don't necessarily agree with everything I say.-

Maya Rkell Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.09.14 00:51:00 - [21] You're making an assumption which you are not entitled to make. You can petition them. That's as far as you can go. //Maya
Esaka Caldari	Posted - 2006.09.14 00:53:00 - [22] Originally by: Maya Rkell You're making an assumption which you are not entitled to make. You can petition them. That's as far as you can go. Yeah right, i must have missed the 'disable your brain' part of CCPs EULA. -------------------------------------- Agent & Mission-Info: http://www.eveinfo.com
Maya Rkell Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.09.14 00:56:00 - [23] Gonada, from people you SUSPECTED of being macro miners. And you petitioned the same group 4 times? I'd like to see you banned for abuse of the system, bluntly. If you think CCP need to be more pro-active, that's ENTIRELY different to the anti-newbie, ineffective poisen pills being pushed in this thread, AND you'll still not be the arbitrator of who is and isn't a macrominer. Esaka, you are not CCP. You're harrassing players, pure and simple. Not the smartest thing to admit. //Maya
Erotic Irony Sturm und Drang	Posted - 2006.09.14 00:58:00 - [24] Originally by: Gonada petitioning the gms 4 times, and each time they gave me their BS respoonce and nothing happened. ... CCP needs to be more pro-active I cried, I laughed, I left upset that you didn't read a word of what Maya posted. Your perceptions of those who are macroers and the reality are two things you seem to have purposefully confused. Postscript: Your quad-damage petition reminded me of how important this is. Avon: For the love of all the is holy, do as the man says CCP.
Esaka Caldari	Posted - 2006.09.14 01:05:00 - [25] Originally by: Maya Rkell Esaka, you are not CCP. You're harrassing players, pure and simple. Not the smartest thing to admit. LOL! I beg you to report me for 'harassment'. Haha! Obviously in terms of smart posting you should be the first to take some lessons. I can neither recall to have said any names nor that i have taken any action ingame - but hey that group of anonymous trial accounts surely now feels threatend by me. But guess what? I petitioned them and suddenly from one day to the next they all stopped working. Duh! -------------------------------------- Agent & Mission-Info: http://www.eveinfo.com
Corrd	Posted - 2006.09.14 01:10:00 - [26] Maybe you could convince CCP to implement a player v player war dec system. Apply the same rules and fees as though it's a corp v corp war dec. It's just that corps arne't involved. It could be written into the story as Kanly or feuds. That would seriously disrupt a farmers and their gang members operation. Mind you, I haven't considered how such a game mechanic might be exploited.
Gonada Gallente Cross Roads	Posted - 2006.09.14 01:17:00 - [27] maya: take daoc: you see someone exploiting the system, you petition, a GM apprers, verifys the petition, poof thee exploited is disconnected, and the warining, suspension ban or whatever is given. eq: explioters suspended upon verification of using exploits EVE: nothing is done and youd like to see me suspended for petitioning them ? :) -I don't necessarily agree with everything I say.-
Maya Rkell Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.09.14 01:49:00 - [28] Edited by: Maya Rkell on 14/09/2006 01:49:10 Esaka, then it worked and they were macro'ers. Why precisely are you getting wound up? Gonada, Abuse of the petitioning system, petitioning the same group 4 times? HECK YES! That does nothing but waste GM time. They cannot verify macro use in the same way you can verify a crude memory hack? Wow, that's...er...normal (Those crude memory and dupe hacks don't WORK on Eve, strangely enough...). Again, you need to be addressing this to CCP, not the playerbase. To me, you're just another witch hunter else trying to assume the powers CCP rightly reserves for themselves. And you abuse petitions as well. //Maya
Esaka Caldari	Posted - 2006.09.14 02:08:00 - [29] Originally by: Maya Rkell Edited by: Maya Rkell on 14/09/2006 01:49:10 Esaka, then it worked and they were macro'ers. Why precisely are you getting wound up? Wound up?! Oh god... is there something like a hidden postcounter around here? I get the feeling you're just posting something that fits to your agenda and do not even try to comprehend what others are writing. Let me quote myself for you: Quote: I've seen macro-miners and i've also seen bots that run missions in eve, it's annoying to look at but how much of a bother are they if they keep in 0.5+? I guess i'm missing the part were i get 'wound up'. All I can say is 'wow'... you should be the last person talking about 'smart' posts. I thought it was obvious, but they didn't got banned their trial account time ran out - like i also stated earlier. -------------------------------------- Agent & Mission-Info: http://www.eveinfo.com
Khemul Zula Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2006.09.14 02:56:00 - [30] I'd really like to see one person prove that a person is a macro miner without using the phrase "I know they are." I mean real proof, not this they don't like to talk or they have a stupid random name. Prove they are actually breaking a rule also, not this "I don't like what they do so they should be banned" stuff. Also I'd like to see someone prove CCP is doing nothing without saying "I know X is a macro miner and CCP didn't ban them". Either way the idea of eliminating noob corps will do nothing. All you'll get is 100s of small corps that are not worth declaring war on. "Everytime you mine Veldspar God kills a kitten."



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