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Khabok Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2006.09.14 19:38:00 - [1] I've been using QuickFit for a while now, and wanted to put into definite terms some of the imbalances in the ships I've seen. To test this with as little deviation as possible, I used QuickFit to create a "Perfect Character", one with all skills set to 5, so that there would be no skill deviation possible as far as statistics go. Here's some of my first tests, and honestly, the results put in to hard numbers what I've felt instinctively in the game for a long time. Maller Focused Medium Pulse Laser II [1xMultifrequency M] Focused Medium Pulse Laser II [1xMultifrequency M] Focused Medium Pulse Laser II [1xMultifrequency M] Focused Medium Pulse Laser II [1xMultifrequency M] Focused Medium Pulse Laser II [1xMultifrequency M] Medium Diminishing Power System Drain I 10MN Afterburner II Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Fleeting Progressive Warp Scrambler I Medium Armor Repairer II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II 400mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Nanofiber Internal Structure I 1367 shield, 4.56/s, E/T/K/Ex=0/20/40/60 2925 armor, E/T/K/Ex=70/51/43/39 1500.0 cap, +11.4/s, -28.639/s 574.0265256588073 m/s 202.6 DPS Omen Focused Medium Pulse Laser II [1xMultifrequency M] Focused Medium Pulse Laser II [1xMultifrequency M] Focused Medium Pulse Laser II [1xMultifrequency M] Focused Medium Pulse Laser II [1xMultifrequency M] Heavy Missile Launcher II [40xScourge Heavy Missile] 10MN Afterburner II Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Fleeting Progressive Warp Scrambler I Medium Armor Repairer II 400mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Capacitor Power Relay I 1172 shield, 3.91/s, E/T/K/Ex=0/20/40/60 2612 armor, E/T/K/Ex=60/35/25/20 1250.0 cap, +14.3/s, -28.657/s 586.5112481857765 m/s 212.7 DPS Thorax Heavy Ion Blaster II [120xAntimatter Charge M] Heavy Ion Blaster II [120xAntimatter Charge M] Heavy Ion Blaster II [120xAntimatter Charge M] Heavy Ion Blaster II [120xAntimatter Charge M] Heavy Ion Blaster II [120xAntimatter Charge M] 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Fleeting Progressive Warp Scrambler I Medium Armor Repairer II Reactor Control Unit I Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Vespa I Vespa I Vespa I Vespa I Vespa I 1523 shield, 5.08/s, E/T/K/Ex=0/20/40/60 1641 armor, E/T/K/Ex=60/35/35/10 1375.0 cap, +11.43/s, -38.775/s 1589.889705882353 m/s 424.1 DPS I've gone through the ship building guides, and built these cruises for gank, using typical setups, and making sure that everything fit on the ships. As you can see, the results are startling when you compare the raw DPS of the Thorax to the other two ships. Information is knowledge, so I thought I'd share what I've learned so far. More to come . . . Khabok There are only four things in life.The first one is Love: Cherish that one, and keep it safe, for the other three are Fear, Hatred, and Sorrow.
Electric Cucumber Amarr Beagle Corp	Posted - 2006.09.14 19:45:00 - [2] is this another eve-o joke?
wierchas noobhunter Caldari The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.09.14 20:01:00 - [3] pff i so can get more dps from rax ... Hey i get paid to be ebil - Xorus So how much you want for the ebil goat??-Tirg I don't - Imz0r
Guurzak Minmatar	Posted - 2006.09.14 20:05:00 - [4] Raw dps is meaningless unless you want to have both ships sit stationary at 100m and pound on each other. If you do that, then yeah, the blasters are going to win. The pulses outdamage the ions starting at about 6km, due to superior range. At 11km, the lasers are still in optimal while the blasters are at optimal + 2*falloff and hitting about 4% of the time.
Fred 104 1st Royal Marines	Posted - 2006.09.14 20:17:00 - [5]
Deathbarrage	Posted - 2006.09.14 20:25:00 - [6] your setups are so wrong...
Ceramik Black Avatar Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.09.14 21:43:00 - [7] If all skills = 5 you should probably put T2 Hammerheads in the drone bay
Thoris Levithar	Posted - 2006.09.14 22:33:00 - [8] Did only a rough calculation, but in a fight the Maller would go into structure after about 12s (without counting shields), the Thorax after 16s (again without counting shields)...figuring DPS vs. resists. Is that so horribly unbalanced? Comes down to pilot skills and suprise element I guess who would win...of course you can't deny the huge potential that drones give, but as you see the advantage is not THAT big as you might think.
C'ca C'an	Posted - 2006.09.14 22:38:00 - [9] the best maller setups use ACs anyhow...and dual rep:D
Giant Haystacks Ore Mongers Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2006.09.17 16:32:00 - [10] your gank rax setup should be 5x heavy neutron balster II / void 10mn mwd II web scram small rep II rcu II 3x mag stab II 5x hammerhead II 700 dps with max skills. The guns have a 10.5 damage mod, so average hit is over 300 before resists.
wierchas noobhunter Caldari The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.09.17 16:52:00 - [11] Edited by: wierchas noobhunter on 17/09/2006 16:53:40 Originally by: Giant Haystacks your gank rax setup should be 5x heavy neutron balster II / void 10mn mwd II web scram small rep II rcu II 3x mag stab II 5x hammerhead II 700 dps with max skills. The guns have a 10.5 damage mod, so average hit is over 300 before resists. 700 ? maybe there is some hiden skils ? Hey i get paid to be ebil - Xorus So how much you want for the ebil goat??-Tirg I don't - Imz0r
Giant Haystacks Ore Mongers Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2006.09.17 17:12:00 - [12] Originally by: wierchas noobhunter Edited by: wierchas noobhunter on 17/09/2006 16:53:40 Originally by: Giant Haystacks your gank rax setup should be 5x heavy neutron balster II / void 10mn mwd II web scram small rep II rcu II 3x mag stab II 5x hammerhead II 700 dps with max skills. The guns have a 10.5 damage mod, so average hit is over 300 before resists. 700 ? maybe there is some hiden skils ? heavy neutron II base damage mod = 4.2, base rof = 5.25 skills cruiser V = 25% damage med hybrid V = 25% damage surgical strike V = 15% damage med blaster spec V = 10% damage gunnery V = -10% rof rapid firing V = -20% rof mag stabs 1st = 10% damage, -10.5% rof 2nd = 9% damage, -9.45% rof 3rd = 6% damage, -6.3% rof void base damage = 30 30 x 4.2 x 5 x 1.25 x 1.25 x 1.15 x 1.1 x 1.1 x 1.09 x 1.06 = 1582 damage per volley 5.25 x 0.9 x 0.8 x 0.895 x 0.9055 x 0.937 = 2.87 rof 1582 / 2.87 = 551 gun dps Drones base 11.52 dps 1.25 combat drone op V 2 drone intefacing V = 144 drone dps 551 + 144 = 695 Thats close enough to quickfits 700 for me given that my stacking penalties on the mag stabs are approximate. I used 90% for 2nd and 60% for 3rd.
Guillame Herschel Gallente Cheers Restaurant and Bar Nova Republic	Posted - 2006.09.17 17:52:00 - [13] Originally by: Khabok I've been using QuickFit for a while now, and wanted to put into definite terms some of the imbalances in the ships I've seen. If that QuickFit game is so unbalanced, why don't you come play EVE instead? -- Guile can always trump hardware --
wierchas noobhunter Caldari The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.09.17 17:57:00 - [14] Originally by: Giant Haystacks Edited by: Giant Haystacks on 17/09/2006 17:20:34 Originally by: wierchas noobhunter Edited by: wierchas noobhunter on 17/09/2006 16:53:40 Originally by: Giant Haystacks your gank rax setup should be 5x heavy neutron balster II / void 10mn mwd II web scram small rep II rcu II 3x mag stab II 5x hammerhead II 700 dps with max skills. The guns have a 10.5 damage mod, so average hit is over 300 before resists. 700 ? maybe there is some hiden skils ? heavy neutron II base damage mod = 4.2, base rof = 5.25 skills cruiser V = 25% damage med hybrid V = 25% damage surgical strike V = 15% damage med blaster spec V = 10% damage gunnery V = -10% rof rapid firing V = -20% rof mag stabs 1st = 10% damage, -10.5% rof 2nd = 9% damage, -9.45% rof 3rd = 6% damage, -6.3% rof void base damage = 30 30 x 4.2 x 5 x 1.25 x 1.25 x 1.15 x 1.1 x 1.1 x 1.09 x 1.06 = 1582 damage per volley 5.25 x 0.9 x 0.8 x 0.895 x 0.9055 x 0.937 = 2.87 rof 1582 / 2.87 = 551 gun dps Drones base 11.52 dps 1.25 combat drone op V 2 drone intefacing V 1.1 gal drone spec V x 5 drones = 158 drone dps 551 + 158 = 709 total dps gona recalculateit anyways :) later Hey i get paid to be ebil - Xorus So how much you want for the ebil goat??-Tirg I don't - Imz0r
Sensemann eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.09.17 19:25:00 - [15] ok where is my Rupture? Or do you think its not worth mentioning it?
Quic	Posted - 2006.09.17 19:49:00 - [16] Playing Quickfit, This is what i got my omen up too: High: 4x Heavy Pulse 2 - Conflag Med: 10nm AB2 X5 web Fleeting Scram Low: 3x heatsink 2 RCU 2 (fitting ) Med Automated Armor rep Drones: 3 hobgoblin 2's DPS = 457.6 dps against 0 resists Quickfit is FUN!
Miklas Laces A.N.A.R.C.H.I.C.A	Posted - 2006.09.18 09:57:00 - [17] Originally by: Khabok I've been using QuickFit for a while now, and wanted to put into definite terms some of the imbalances in the ships I've seen. I assume this thread is ironic
Testy Mctest	Posted - 2006.09.18 10:11:00 - [18] Yet another useless comparison, comparing two specifics of weapons without any other considerations whatsoever. Scrapheap Challenge Forums - All the cool kids are doing it!

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