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Scott Bacon Maximum Q 1	Posted - 2015.01.02 15:47:07 - [1] - Quote Being away for the holidays, I did not get a chance to comment on the recent Announcement From Gorila thread before it was locked. I am therefore making this post, as I feel my viewpoint is important. I started playing Eve back in early May of 2014, about 8 months ago. To date, I have never been ganked in high security space. That's not what got me into the Anti-gank (AG) community. I learned of ganking and the Anti-ganking channel via someone mentioning buying permits in the rookie help channel. Since that time, I have become very much on the side of the AG community, primarily in opposition to CODE and their backers. Not just because I like to play the good guy -- which I do -- but more so because of what I have seen and heard from both sides over the last 8 months. Each side has vocal members claiming the other side is toxic. But what I have personally witnessed over my last 8 months is a lot of arguably toxic activity coming from the CODE side and very little if any coming from the AG side. I don't have anything against role playing, but I expect players to remain civil and respectful towards others. If tempers flair over "bad guy" activity, I think it is important that the "bad guy" be able to step out of character and attempt to explain and defuse the situation. In my 8 months, I have never seen the "bad guys" step out of character, except in forum posts where the "bad guys" use it as a tool to attempt to paint the AG community in a bad light. When this happens, a person role playing a bad guy becomes indistinguishable from someone who is truly trying to hurt people, albeit through a game. To borrow a quote from a movie, "Deep down you may still be that same great kid you used to be. But it's not who you are underneath, it's what you do that defines you." Furthermore, this role playing, if that is truly what it is, should not extend outside the context of the game. But an argument can be made that it does. I would argue that the take over of the Anti-ganking channel by CODE in late December went beyond role play into attacking the mechanics of the game that allow players to communicate. That is perhaps debatable, but it's not the only example. There are the blogs. CODE players troll me personally about my Eve blog, which stretches and arguably surpasses what qualifies as role play. The fact that "tear collecting" is a phrase gankers use is also evidence that their intent goes beyond role play into attempts to emotionally attack real people. When the Anti-ganking channel was taken over, before I was muted I suggested that perhaps they had stolen Gorila's account, and my suspicion was met with laughter by members of CODE. Given the severity of what I was suggesting, it would have been a good time for a good person within CODE to step out of character to set the matter straight. That didn't happen. Then there was the whole bonus room fiasco. None of these things by themselves prove anything, but all of these things together start to build a convincing case that it is CODE and their ilk that are the real "toxic" community. It is for this reason that I hold such a dim view of CODE, and the reason I am rather harsh towards Gorila for joining up with CODE and allowing them to vandalize the Anti-ganking channel, even if it was only for a short period of time. Maybe I've got it all wrong. But CODE has spent the last 8 months convincing me I'm not. It takes time to build trust. Right now, I trust that members of CODE are generally disrespectful towards other players and are a detriment to the Eve community. If that is not really true, it will take at least as long to undo that damage to my perception of them. I know there are likely those within CODE that believe they are good people and that some of the AG community is unjustly biased against them. But perhaps this viewpoint has been taken to the extreme to where general respect has been lost, and it has led them into becoming the very thing they claim not to be. Believe what you will. I believe that honor trumps all. I may not agree with some of the folks in the AG community on certain issues, but it looks to me that most of the time their hearts are in the right place, even when I think they are wrong. For that, they have honor. It saddens me that I can't say the same for CODE. I know some CODE members have reported receiving real life threats from members of the AG community. I am not personally aware of any such threats. But I would like to emphasize that I do not condone such activity. Real life threats are never appropriate. If someone feels they have been wronged in a serious way, they need to maintain proper discipline, keep a cool head, mind their tongue, and report it. But always remain respectful.
Tyyler DURden Mordechai and Sons Distribution Co. 49	Posted - 2015.01.02 16:23:06 - [2] - Quote In before Kaarous and the gang Tyyler DURden says "use soap"
Karl Jerr Herzack Unit 83	Posted - 2015.01.02 16:23:58 - [3] - Quote CODE. members play the role they have defined in their RP style. Thanks to the freedom the game allows. They aren't here to be the "good guys" which is a very relative statement depending on which "side" we see the things. Hijacking a chat channel is part of the gameplay too, as long as the things doesn't cross the RL line, line that a lot of the "victims" cross without any boundaries. These "victims", taking this game too much seriously, reinforce the thing to continue in this CODE RP, it's a common mechanism in the human race behavior. At the end we are all players, the cool thing of Eve is that we all are into the same universe, even if it can disturb some people out there, and CODE. is part of the environment. If CODE. was some millions of lines of code (no pun intended) and command script instead of real players, would it change something?
Velicitia XS Tech 2672	Posted - 2015.01.02 16:26:46 - [4] - Quote You're probably not seeing the toxic elements in the AG channel then (not your fault, maybe a different TZ, or they're not speaking in the same manner in AG as when they get/got ganked). CODE. got into the channel, and took it over. This is no different from stealing a corp out from under an unsuspecting CEO. In doing this, CODE didn't break any rules that are stipulated in the EULA, TOS, etc. That is -- the actions did not extend outside the context of the game. Now, if it had been a jabber or teamspeak channel ... As for the bonus room -- IF it had been something like "oh, and the final thing is you have to let us pod you once in an alpha clone" and then "nope, sorry, scam ... have fun in eve", I doubt CCP would've done much (slap on the wrist, etc.) ... but since they pushed the limits there, that's what got Ero the banhammer. Furthermore, YOU are the one who made the incorrect (and uninformed) statements that the account had been hacked. There's nothing that could have been said by anyone in that channel ("in character" or otherwise) who would have swayed your mind. I've personally been called a ganker / CODE alt a couple of times, because I ask challenge the AG "atmosphere" (for lack of a better word) that is pretty much "save everyone with talk". Granted, there's not really a critical mass of people who actually want to (or believe they can) take action. One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Cannibal Kane Blood Raiders Elite 4595	Posted - 2015.01.02 17:31:11 - [5] - Quote Oh goody, Another corp to perma dec. I will just slot you in to start in a few weeks. I know who you are, I have seen you talk in AG. You don't see it because you are one of them. "Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk
Thanatos Marathon Phoibe Enterprises 381	Posted - 2015.01.02 17:50:20 - [6] - Quote Scott Bacon wrote: I expect players to remain civil and respectful towards others Big mistake.
Cannibal Kane Blood Raiders Elite 4595	Posted - 2015.01.02 17:53:53 - [7] - Quote Thanatos Marathon wrote: Scott Bacon wrote: I expect players to remain civil and respectful towards others Big mistake. Yeah, My original response I wanted to post was "Pot... meet Kettle" "Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk
Concord Guy's Cousin State War Academy Caldari State 142	Posted - 2015.01.02 18:03:07 - [8] - Quote Cannibal Kane wrote: Oh goody, Another corp to perma dec. I will just slot you in to start in a few weeks. I know who you are, I have seen you talk in AG. You don't see it because you are one of them. The famous Cannibal Kane "Hello there OP" is always a welcome sight in one of these threads CONCORD would like to remind you that the only thing under their protection is the doughnut shop found on level 2 of the food-mall in every station. NPC Forum Alt, because reasons.
Alana Charen-Teng Full Ganktard 466	Posted - 2015.01.02 18:12:59 - [9] - Quote Cannibal Kane wrote: Oh goody, Another corp to perma dec. I will just slot you in to start in a few weeks. I know who you are, I have seen you talk in AG. You don't see it because you are one of them. LOL Cannibal Kane does not sleep. He waits. Edit: Also, loving the Blood Raiders jacket you've got there! I was thinking of getting the Guristas set.
Tisiphone Dira New Order Logistics CODE. 70	Posted - 2015.01.02 18:38:18 - [10] - Quote Good lord. I just had a look at the logs from the glorious takeover of the rebel chat channels, and from other times. You're one to talk. Pot meet kettle indeed.
Scott Bacon Maximum Q 1	Posted - 2015.01.02 19:55:07 - [11] - Quote End of the Argument: Role Play vs Real Life I'm making one last statement regarding the argument that who someone is in game does not reflect on who they are in real life, and the impact it has had on relations between CODE and the Anti-ganking (AG) community. This argument has been going round and round lately, and it's getting tired. Forum participants are tired of it, Anti-ganking moderators are tired of it, everyone is getting tired of it. So I'm saying one last piece and then letting it go. I have never outright suggested that the average supporter of CODE is a bad person in real life. What I have suggested and continue to believe is that by pushing the boundaries of role play too far (under the assumption that it is role play), they have made it very difficult for others to distinguish between role play and real life. That the argument persists incessantly is evidence of that. Some CODE supporters will say on forums or elsewhere that in game behavior does not reflect on who people are in real life, but their argument always ends there. Have you ever seen one of these people step out of character about specific incidents and demonstrate that there is a good friendly person underneath? I haven't. Not to say it hasn't happened, but I haven't seen it. I want to see it. I haven't. It makes their argument feel shallow and suspect. Ultimately, it should be no surprise that some people continue to question the real life character of CODE members and affiliates. It is the bed they have made for themselves. They blame the AG community for not being able to tell the difference between role play and real life when it is they who bare much of the blame for making it so incredibly difficult to tell in the first place. I write this not to badger or berate CODE members and affiliates. I write this hoping they will read it, consider my words carefully, and start to change the manner in which they conduct themselves. I will take a leaf of faith and accept that the CODE community is mostly good people. But you have to do something too. Step out of character more often, leave the whole "tear collecting" meme behind, and try to show people that you are here to have fun and not just to trample on the fun of others. Do that, and you will find many people, myself included, be much more amiable towards you. I will never join you; I like playing the good guy; but I and many others would very much like to play against you with more a feeling of confidence that we play against friends.
Eldwinn SomeWhat SophiSticateD Shadow Cartel 238	Posted - 2015.01.02 20:11:37 - [12] - Quote Is this a stealth CODE forum? It pretty much fits every point. The points are, 1. Wall of Text. 2. Rambling about nothing. 3. Talking about ganking.
Toriessian Helion Production Labs Independent Operators Consortium 360	Posted - 2015.01.02 20:17:05 - [13] - Quote Not enough bacon IMO
Bing Bangboom DAMAG Safety Commission 333	Posted - 2015.01.02 21:47:01 - [14] - Quote Scott Bacon wrote: End of the Argument: Role Play vs Real Life I'm making one last statement regarding the argument that who someone is in game does not reflect on who they are in real life, and the impact it has had on relations between CODE and the Anti-ganking (AG) community. This argument has been going round and round lately, and it's getting tired. Forum participants are tired of it, Anti-ganking moderators are tired of it, everyone is getting tired of it. So I'm saying one last piece and then letting it go. I have never outright suggested that the average supporter of CODE is a bad person in real life. What I have suggested and continue to believe is that by pushing the boundaries of role play too far (under the assumption that it is role play), they have made it very difficult for others to distinguish between role play and real life. That the argument persists incessantly is evidence of that. Some CODE supporters will say on forums or elsewhere that in game behavior does not reflect on who people are in real life, but their argument always ends there. Have you ever seen one of these people step out of character about specific incidents and demonstrate that there is a good friendly person underneath? I haven't. Not to say it hasn't happened, but I haven't seen it. I want to see it. I haven't. It makes their argument feel shallow and suspect. Ultimately, it should be no surprise that some people continue to question the real life character of CODE members and affiliates. It is the bed they have made for themselves. They blame the AG community for not being able to tell the difference between role play and real life when it is they who bare much of the blame for making it so incredibly difficult to tell in the first place. I write this not to badger or berate CODE members and affiliates. I write this hoping they will read it, consider my words carefully, and start to change the manner in which they conduct themselves. I will take a leaf of faith and accept that the CODE community is mostly good people. But you have to do something too. Step out of character more often, leave the whole "tear collecting" meme behind, and try to show people that you are here to have fun and not just to trample on the fun of others. Do that, and you will find many people, myself included, be much more amiable towards you. I will never join you; I like playing the good guy; but I and many others would very much like to play against you with more a feeling of confidence that we play against friends. Does your complaint about our role playing actually boil down to we are too good at it? You mean you can't tell the difference between us role playing the saviors of highsec and actually BEING the saviors of highsec? Good. Bing Highsec is worth fighting for. By choosing to mine in New Order systems, highsec miners have agreed to follow the New Halaima Code of Conduct.-á www.minerbumping.com
voetius Quiet Days in Clichy 331	Posted - 2015.01.02 23:13:34 - [15] - Quote Eldwinn wrote: Is this a stealth CODE forum? It pretty much fits every point. The points are, 1. Wall of Text. 2. Rambling about nothing. 3. Talking about ganking. I have some pillows going cheap In Jita. Just pop one under your head when reading these type of threads and if you drift off to happy la-la land your head lands on said pillow.
Black Pedro Yammerschooner 356	Posted - 2015.01.02 23:35:26 - [16] - Quote Scott Bacon wrote: Ultimately, it should be no surprise that some people continue to question the real life character of CODE members and affiliates. It is the bed they have made for themselves. They blame the AG community for not being able to tell the difference between role play and real life when it is they who bare much of the blame for making it so incredibly difficult to tell in the first place. Is this the old if you shoot "defenseless" industrial ships you are a sociopath (i.e. ganking is bullying) argument, or the it's ok for a player to make sexual insults/threats to a fellow player if they have been ganked because you made them angry argument? I can't really tell. Scott Bacon wrote: I write this not to badger or berate CODE members and affiliates. I write this hoping they will read it, consider my words carefully, and start to change the manner in which they conduct themselves. I will take a leaf of faith and accept that the CODE community is mostly good people. But you have to do something too. Step out of character more often, leave the whole "tear collecting" meme behind, and try to show people that you are here to have fun and not just to trample on the fun of others. Do that, and you will find many people, myself included, be much more amiable towards you. I will never join you; I like playing the good guy; but I and many others would very much like to play against you with more a feeling of confidence that we play against friends. What exactly is your position? We are too mean? Among other things, we are the villains in highsec and are there for you to fear, to fight or to secretly root for as is your prerogative. It is our job to put miners and haulers in their place and we do it politely and respectfully, at least within the norms of what goes on in the greater culture of Eve. We are not the one hurling vile sexual insults at our fellow players or threatening their families with harm. Don't believe me? Just look at pretty much any minerbumping post to see how bad "the good guys" can get. We play Eve as it was designed, in competetion with our fellow players exploding the complacent and greedy, and enjoying ourselves along the way. If you think that is "trampling on their fun", then I respectfully suggest you may not fully understand what a competetive sandbox game is or what Eve is really all about. Now as to the AG channel, my impression is that it is a place full of generally well-intentioned players, but the official ganking-is-always-evil moderation policy leads to an "echo chamber effect" and members regularly drift into the toxic place of real-life insults against thier fellow players. I suggest you join the minerbumping channel for a while and get a sense of what a free community can be like and you can see for yourself that our ganking is done in the spirit of fun. Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10 is a good idea.
Mike Adoulin Adolescent Radioactive Pirate Hamsters 1072	Posted - 2015.01.03 00:22:47 - [17] - Quote Scott Bacon wrote: utter pathetic drivel Right, because all the actual death threats that have been documented and reported to CCP came from CODE players. Sorry, reality says otherwise. As for the cesspool that is/was 'Anti-Ganking', I found it endlessly amusing to see 'white knights' get run out of the channel...or flat out banned....for trying to help the 'poor ganking victims'. The AG garbage was so bad that Gorila left and joined CODE. CCP needs to actually shut down the entire channel because it is so toxic that it really does give the game a bad name. Permabans need to be handed down. I estimate over 90% of the 'regulars' in that channel violate the EULA repeatedly and with malice aforethought. So I urge everyone to report the entire AG channel. The chat logs need to be pulled and just about damn near everyone in that channel needs a ban. Hopefully a permanent one. Everything in EVE is a trap. And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:) You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg. Chribba is the Chuck Norris of EVE.
Leto Thule Obsidian Cadre 1854	Posted - 2015.01.03 03:26:28 - [18] - Quote Mike.... Why is Chribba "Chuck Norris"?? I mean yeah he's supposedly trustworthy. But that isn't really badass or anything. Big Fat Forum Meanie and Thanatos Scammer
Mike Adoulin Adolescent Radioactive Pirate Hamsters 1072	Posted - 2015.01.03 03:29:52 - [19] - Quote Get Chribba mad at you and find out....:) Everything in EVE is a trap. And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:) You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg. Chribba is the Chuck Norris of EVE.
loyalanon The Conference Elite CODE. 590	Posted - 2015.01.03 06:52:50 - [20] - Quote Scott Bacon wrote: tldr stuff . yawn, can someone poke me when we get opposition that is worth the time please. thanks.
John E Normus New Order Logistics CODE. 435	Posted - 2015.01.03 06:57:57 - [21] - Quote loyalanon wrote: Scott Bacon wrote: tldr stuff . yawn, can someone poke me when we get opposition that is worth the time please. thanks. I poked you twice today and you responded with, "Bro, can you give me some more tears please." Now I'm playing eve in sad-mode. Between Ignorance and Wisdom
Sabriz Adoudel Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE. 4275	Posted - 2015.01.03 08:09:40 - [22] - Quote Honestly I never believed the claims about how toxic the AG community was - until I stuck a spy in there. My alts actually left in disgust. Chaos. Opportunity. Destruction. Excitement... Vote #1 Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10
Dar'Nalaa GankBears 7	Posted - 2015.01.03 08:28:36 - [23] - Quote Well said Scott, many points I'm with you 100% but remember as with all groups there are good and bad, a short time ago when in the Rookie channel I met a code member helping new players, since then have met more codies that in rl seem very nice, saying that I have met some of the biggest asshats I ever want to meet,. It's not helping the codes stand that many are goon alts or goon wannabes but as I said before we need all types for eve to work. Look at it this way we have so many people we can set to red, so many victims to help, Let's all play eve and keep real out.............. Dar'Nalaa
loyalanon The Conference Elite CODE. 590	Posted - 2015.01.03 09:34:32 - [24] - Quote Dar'Nalaa wrote: Let's all play eve. Dar'Nalaa While you and the rest of AG are crying/sulking we are out playing eve. let us know if you get anything new you want to throw our way.
Thomas Mayaki Perkone Caldari State 44	Posted - 2015.01.03 10:14:35 - [25] - Quote loyalanon wrote: Dar'Nalaa wrote: Let's all play eve. Dar'Nalaa While you and the rest of AG are crying/sulking we are out playing eve. let us know if you get anything new you want to throw our way. As Loyalanon knows the game mechanics of Eve heavily favour the ganker. Any attempt to balance has the effect of rivers of tears from the so called 'Elite' players (gankers that is). PS. I am finding the best counter to the code at the moment is the block mechanism in the chat, CODE. are alot more tolerable when they aren't polluting chat.
Black Pedro Yammerschooner 356	Posted - 2015.01.03 10:27:35 - [26] - Quote Thomas Mayaki wrote: As Loyalanon knows the game mechanics of Eve heavily favour the ganker. Any attempt to balance has the effect of rivers of tears from the so called 'Elite' players (gankers that is). Do you actually believe this or are you just parroting the official line from the AG channel? You can be essentially 100% safe mining or hauling in highsec by doing only a handful of things. Convo me in game if you can't find these simple steps which are all over the forums and Eve blogs. This self-defeating attitude - "Oh the game mechanics favour the gankers I can't do anything to stop them! Woe is me!" - is one of the major problems with the anti-ganker community. Stop complaining that you have to do a few things to ensure your safety and just play the game. Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10 is a good idea.
AlBbot 315 The Whisky Galore Corporation 0	Posted - 2015.01.03 10:29:17 - [27] - Quote To be fair Thomas, Loyalanon doesn't really pollute chat too much. I believe her procedure is upon entering a system spout her love for the goons, post some random retriever killmail and leave saying 'see you later' never to return.
Thomas Mayaki Perkone Caldari State 44	Posted - 2015.01.03 10:57:24 - [28] - Quote Black Pedro wrote: Thomas Mayaki wrote: As Loyalanon knows the game mechanics of Eve heavily favour the ganker. Any attempt to balance has the effect of rivers of tears from the so called 'Elite' players (gankers that is). Do you actually believe this or are you just parroting the official line from the AG channel? You can be essentially 100% safe mining or hauling in highsec by doing only a handful of things. Convo me in game if you can't find these simple steps which are all over the forums and Eve blogs. This self-defeating attitude - "Oh the game mechanics favour the gankers I can't do anything to stop them! Woe is me!" - is one of the major problems with the anti-ganker community. Stop complaining that you have to do a few things to ensure your safety and just play the game. 'You can be essentially 100% safe mining or hauling in highsec by doing only a handful of things' The ganker can choose when,where and what to gank. If the ganker does not bring the correct amount of firepower in order to remove the target I suggest they have the same defeatest attitude as you. The one thing the New Order brings to the table is their lack of fear to fail, they can and have thrown appropriate ships at a '100% safe targets'. 'the game mechanics favour the gankers' Just stating the fact not complaining. I also think you are getting confused between the so called anti-gankers and the people that get ganked. I have every sympathy for players who have to endure hours of bumping in order to force them to log off if that is what you mean by playing the game.
Mag's the united 18462	Posted - 2015.01.03 11:07:55 - [29] - Quote Scott Bacon wrote: I know some CODE members have reported receiving real life threats from members of the AG community. I am not personally aware of any such threats. It's not just CODE that gets them. Even us low sec pirates receive them from the 'good guys'. Strange thing is, I've never had one from a 'bad guy'. Hmmm. Edit: I don't know who you are, just replied because *Bacon. Destination SkillQueue:- * It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Velicitia XS Tech 2679	Posted - 2015.01.03 11:56:30 - [30] - Quote Thomas Mayaki wrote: Black Pedro wrote: Thomas Mayaki wrote: As Loyalanon knows the game mechanics of Eve heavily favour the ganker. Any attempt to balance has the effect of rivers of tears from the so called 'Elite' players (gankers that is). Do you actually believe this or are you just parroting the official line from the AG channel? You can be essentially 100% safe mining or hauling in highsec by doing only a handful of things. Convo me in game if you can't find these simple steps which are all over the forums and Eve blogs. This self-defeating attitude - "Oh the game mechanics favour the gankers I can't do anything to stop them! Woe is me!" - is one of the major problems with the anti-ganker community. Stop complaining that you have to do a few things to ensure your safety and just play the game. 'You can be essentially 100% safe mining or hauling in highsec by doing only a handful of things' The ganker can choose when,where and what to gank. If the ganker does not bring the correct amount of firepower in order to remove the target I suggest they have the same defeatest attitude as you. The one thing the New Order brings to the table is their lack of fear to fail, they can and have thrown appropriate ships at a '100% safe targets'. Yep ... so make yourself a less than ideal target because of taking 10 minutes to research a good skiff (or whatever) fit, and watch as your untanked (or worse, anti-tanked) competition is the one getting the superheated antimatter. Thomas Mayaki wrote: 'the game mechanics favour the gankers' Just stating the fact not complaining. I also think you are getting confused between the so called anti-gankers and the people that get ganked. I have every sympathy for players who have to endure hours of bumping in order to force them to log off if that is what you mean by playing the game. The gankers group up with friends, and have op success. That doesn't sound like "mechanics favoring them" but rather "being prepared" (or "bringing the right tool for the job"). You* can do the same thing. Just because you* choose to try flying solo, doesn't mean that the game is favoring the other team -- it just means you're doing it wrong(tm). *"You" in the sense of anyone who believes that the mechanics favor the gankers, and there is nothing that can be done about it. One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Wallace Trucker State War Academy Caldari State 2	Posted - 2015.01.03 12:58:35 - [31] - Quote Anyone who uses the excuse that he is just "Role Playing" is just coping out. These are sad, sad people who have failed at life and are attempting to succeed in a game. Every time I see the word "CODE" I can't help but chuckle whether in game or in the forums. The whole thing has just turned into a silly joke. What you do in game reflects on who you are in RL. I assume that each character in eve is control by a real person. But some real people do not have any morals, hence you end up with a group of these people who have joined together in an attempt to corrupt the game and the players who do have morals...well because they are jealous of our success in and out of the game. Don't stop your activities on account of me, I do enjoy the chuckles. Think I'll role play Nixon with one of those realistic mask, and go rob a bank. "Your honor it wasn't me that robbed that bank it was Richard Nixon".
Steppa Musana Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 21	Posted - 2015.01.03 12:58:43 - [32] - Quote Another thread calling out CODE on their bad behavior, and another round of responses that ignore those criticisms. What a shock!! Please do explain to me how the following is part of roleplay: - loyalanon telling people to "cry moar" and "nice tears" when they say something as simple as "please stop spamming local". - John E Normus telling a player to go biomass himself when he asks what they suggest he do instead of ECM jamming - BingBang Boom admitting that the response to a player anti-tanking their ship is to "publically humiliate" them on the minerbumping.com forums - James 315 defending Ero1 for his bonus room antics How is it that you guys can delude yourselves time and time again that "tear harvesting" is one of the most major motivations of CODE? How can you not realize that the definiton of tear harvesting is "attempting to anger a player in RL for the sake of creating a negative reacton"? How can you call that roleplay? Worse yet, why do you act surprised when players think you are bad people for doing that? I'm just trying to understand is all. Are you guys actually this delusional, or is it just simple tribalism - blindly defend your own kind even when you know you are wrong.
Azov Rassau Neo CONCORD 137	Posted - 2015.01.03 12:59:47 - [33] - Quote Mag's wrote: Even us low sec pirates receive them from the 'good guys'. Strange thing is, I've never had one from a 'bad guy'. Hmmm. I have to agree with that, especially the strange usage of this "good/bad guy" expression. I had received some heavy insulting hatemail from one of those "good guys" in Lowsec just because I had killed his 'peaceful' ratting ship with my Skiff. Meanwhile, I was about to send him a 'o7 gf' mail with some cool tips about how he could pay attention while in Lowsec (Local, D-scan, Scouting etcGÇª which, if you think about it, are also valid for Highsec) Who's the bad guy now? Lol. Educative Skiff Piracy results in heavy tears and hatemails for some reason. Anybody who contributes to EVE by creating fun, player-generated and emergent content is a 'good guy' in the bigger picture of EVE sandbox. Just look at this. That's freaking 135 Velators man! I say kudos to these good guys. No AFKing. Safety First. Use D-Scan, Check Local. Be Alert. www.GankerJamming.com Need your stuff moved? Join channel [HC] Haulers Hub or make a cool private contract to Red Frog Freight!
Steppa Musana Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 21	Posted - 2015.01.03 13:07:09 - [34] - Quote I want to at least thank the New Order supporters who deep down see CODE for what they are. There are a handful or two of New Order supporters that don't join CODE itself because they have no interest in flying with those kinds of individuals. They will here and there remark on how they don't agree with the tear harvesting and act like all-around good individuals when it comes to treatment of the person behind the keyboard. You guys know who you are, I won't name you.
Velicitia XS Tech 2680	Posted - 2015.01.03 13:32:05 - [35] - Quote Wallace Trucker wrote: What you do in game reflects on who you are in RL. Funny ... because in RL I'm more a dove (i.e. against warmongering), whereas in EVE I tend to enjoy shooting people and getting shot at... Now if only I was better at the whole "shooting at people" thing, so my KB wasn't so awful One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Gorila Vengaza The Conference Elite CODE. 111	Posted - 2015.01.03 13:33:32 - [36] - Quote Wallace Trucker wrote: Anyone who uses the excuse that he is just "Role Playing" is just coping out. These are sad, sad people who have failed at life and are attempting to succeed in a game. Every time I see the word "CODE" I can't help but chuckle whether in game or in the forums. The whole thing has just turned into a silly joke. What you do in game reflects on who you are in RL. I assume that each character in eve is control by a real person. But some real people do not have any morals, hence you end up with a group of these people who have joined together in an attempt to corrupt the game and the players who do have morals...well because they are jealous of our success in and out of the game. Don't stop your activities on account of me, I do enjoy the chuckles. Think I'll role play Nixon with one of those realistic mask, and go rob a bank. "Your honor it wasn't me that robbed that bank it was Richard Nixon". ItGÇÖs ppl like you who worry me. Eve is a game , it ISN'T Real life and if you think it is you need professional Help. There are people who do things in a game they would never do in real life. Before I joined AG I was out deccing mining corps for ransom IN GAME. Who I hold someone ransom in real life? Hell no. You remind me of the ganking is bullying idiots, they believed if you ganked ( A valid GAME mechanic) you must be a bully in RL and you shouldnGÇÖt be around children. That idea was so nuts I war decced them. When they asked why I said GÇ£because I felt BulliedGÇ¥. Those idiots didn't get it. ItGÇÖs a GAME that allows you to have morals or not. Hopefully youGÇÖre intelligent enough to understand that. Scott I have this to say, You said you have never seen the RL death threats members of Code get. IGÇÖll make a suggestion, Talk to CODE like I did. Find out they are people playing a GAME just like you. You want to play the moral hero, they donGÇÖt. I learned not everyone likes to play a hero when my son was about 7. He insisted on getting a lightsaber used by the SITH. HeGÇÖs 23 now and an honor student working on his masters to be a TEACHER. HeGÇÖs not out murdering people because I let him play GTA,resident evil and play with a red lightsaber.
Wallace Trucker State War Academy Caldari State 2	Posted - 2015.01.03 13:45:08 - [37] - Quote ItGÇÖs ppl like you who worry me. Eve is a game , it ISN'T Real life and if you think it is you need professional Help. There are people who do things in a game they would never do in real life. Before I joined AG I was out deccing mining corps for ransom IN GAME. WouId I hold someone ransom in real life? Hell no. You remind me of the "ganking is bullying" idiots, they believed if you ganked ( A valid GAME mechanic) you must be a bully in RL and you shouldnGÇÖt be around children. That idea was so nuts I war decced them. When they asked why I said GÇ£because I felt BulliedGÇ¥. They didn't get it. ItGÇÖs a GAME that allows you to have morals or not. Hopefully youGÇÖre intelligent enough to understand that. Scott I have this to say, You said you have never seen the RL death threats members of Code get. IGÇÖll make a suggestion, Talk to CODE like I did. Find out they are people playing a GAME just like you. You want to play the moral hero, they donGÇÖt. I learned not everyone likes to play a hero when my son was about 7. He insisted on getting a lightsaber used by the SITH. HeGÇÖs 23 now and an honor student working on his masters to be a TEACHER. HeGÇÖs not out murdering people because I let him play GTA,resident evil and play with a red lightsaber. I do blame Resident Evil for his love of zombies tho.....[/quote] No need to worry about me I'm fine. As for you I'm not so sure. If you are a real human being with morals but allow a character in a game control your actions. And then cop out with "oh it's just a game" or "I'm role playing" then your morals are weak. If you control it then it is you. Probably to young to remember the twinky defense but I kind of applies.
Gorila Vengaza The Conference Elite CODE. 111	Posted - 2015.01.03 14:00:56 - [38] - Quote [/quote]No need to worry about me I'm fine. As for you I'm not so sure. If you are a real human being with morals but allow a character in a game control your actions. And then cop out with "oh it's just a game" or "I'm role playing" then your morals are weak. If you control it then it is you. Probably to young to remember the twinky defense but I kind of applies.[/quote] The Twinky Defense? When the guy that shot Harvey Milk claimed he had eaten too much sugar and it made him shoot Milk and that mayor? That case? Yeah, that was real life and NOT a GAME. Sad you canGÇÖt see the difference.
Nomis Alexander Haldskel Corporation Dark.Moon Rising 25	Posted - 2015.01.03 15:14:36 - [39] - Quote Scott Bacon wrote: Ultimately, it should be no surprise that some people continue to question the real life character of CODE members and affiliates. It is the bed they have made for themselves. They blame the AG community for not being able to tell the difference between role play and real life when it is they who bare much of the blame for making it so incredibly difficult to tell in the first place. . OP complains about people crossing over from RP and the game to real life, then makes negative comments about peoples' RL characters. Priceless.
admiral root Red Galaxy 2101	Posted - 2015.01.03 15:42:28 - [40] - Quote Wallace Trucker wrote: No need to worry about me I'm fine. As for you I'm not so sure. If you are a real human being with morals but allow a character in a game control your actions. And then cop out with "oh it's just a game" or "I'm role playing" then your morals are weak. If you control it then it is you. Probably to young to remember the twinky defense but I kind of applies. So you're saying that if an actor lands a role in a movie as a terrorist it's a reflection of their RL morals? After all, we're just actors in an interactive show that runs 23.5/7. No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff \| No-one hates you, none of us care enough for that. Sabriz for CSM
Pi Show Forsaken Security Force 0	Posted - 2015.01.03 17:28:03 - [41] - Quote Scott Bacon wrote: trample on the fun of others. Is that not the villain's doctrine?
Cannibal Kane Blood Raiders Elite 4608	Posted - 2015.01.03 17:44:31 - [42] - Quote Wallace Trucker wrote: ....inane prattle... So I guess you don't play games were you have to shoot people like FPS. Funny enough I was watching an episode of top gear catching up on some seasons. In one show they had Alice Cooper in it. And what he said suddenly made perfect sense. You guys are the ninnies from those years when Rock started. This is bad for you, it promotes sex and violence and some more inane dribble. While the witches of that time went on like you are, you would only miss meeting some of the nicest people you could meet because you are to easily swayed by the your own glaring hatred. Funny enough Alice and the crew still send them gift every year just to be nice. Congrats, you have become the ninnies of yester year. "Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk
Black Pedro Yammerschooner 358	Posted - 2015.01.03 18:00:34 - [43] - Quote Thomas Mayaki wrote: 'You can be essentially 100% safe mining or hauling in highsec by doing only a handful of things' The ganker can choose when,where and what to gank. If the ganker does not bring the correct amount of firepower in order to remove the target I suggest they have the same defeatest attitude as you. The one thing the New Order brings to the table is their lack of fear to fail, they can and have thrown appropriate ships at a '100% safe targets'. The gank target has complete control over what ships they fly, where and what they are carrying/fit with. If the target pays attention they can be safely away from the gankers before they even see them, and can use a ship and fitting that makes it not economically viable to attack. Sure, you can always lose a ship in this game - that is by design by the way - but if you are not a profitable target, the chances of being ganked are much, much less. Just look how few Skiffs and DST were ganked in Highsec last month. And in the unlikely even you do lose a ship, the mantra is suppose to be don't fly something you can't afford to lose. Dust yourself off and be more careful. Thomas Mayaki wrote: 'the game mechanics favour the gankers' Just stating the fact not complaining. I also think you are getting confused between the so called anti-gankers and the people that get ganked. I have every sympathy for players who have to endure hours of bumping in order to force them to log off if that is what you mean by playing the game. Your assertion thank the mechanics favour "the other guy" is your opinion and comes from your defeatist attitude. There are many highsec players how have looked at how gankers use the current mechanics and have adapted their game play so they are nearly 100% safe. These players are "playing Eve". Then there are those that come to the forums complaining that they cannot be 100% safe and therefore the game is broken and they won't even try to protect thier assets. These players are not "playing Eve". Bumping is emergent gameplay resulting from the physics engine and has been explicitly ruled as a valid game mechanic to use against your opponent. If you have a problem with it you can petition CCP to change it but they have been unusually clear on the issue so I would suggest you adapt your game play to minimize the chance of a bumper grabbing you - a scout/webbing escort is the best. Personally, I reserve my sympathy for those who are actually trying to defend themselves, not players who overload a freighter and send it AFK through a ganker hotspot because they would rather be watching television on another screen. Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10 is a good idea.
Seraph IX Basarab Hades Effect 477	Posted - 2015.01.03 20:45:34 - [44] - Quote I don't understand this point of making threads. When someone does something I don't like I shoot them. Then I ask myself are they still doing it? If yes, keep shooting. What's the problem? Hades Effect
Mike Adoulin Adolescent Radioactive Pirate Hamsters 1074	Posted - 2015.01.03 21:38:21 - [45] - Quote Seraph IX Basarab wrote: I don't understand this point of making threads. When someone does something I don't like I shoot them. Then I ask myself are they still doing it? If yes, keep shooting. What's the problem? You, sir, are genius. gives him a cookie Everything in EVE is a trap. And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:) You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg. Chribba is the Chuck Norris of EVE.
412nv Yaken The Conference Elite CODE. 239	Posted - 2015.01.03 21:47:53 - [46] - Quote Cool opinions bro. To bad they are wrong and saying everyone one should have e honor and is doesnt deserve your wall of tears. Please edit to say. Tldr I still think ganking is real life bullying and ccp must change their mechanics because I am un happy with how some people choose to play their game and the big bad meanies might get me. Thanks A True Champion of High Security Space
Veers Belvar Swordmasters of New Eden 430	Posted - 2015.01.04 00:51:29 - [47] - Quote personally the only "toxic" behavior i've seen in AG is from code alts. Vast majority of people in AG just want to enjoy the game in peace...not looking for conflict.
Leto Thule Obsidian Cadre 1874	Posted - 2015.01.04 00:56:50 - [48] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: personally the only "toxic" behavior i've seen in AG is from code alts. Vast majority of people in AG just want to enjoy the game in peace...not looking for conflict. Stop trolling. EVE is intended to be full of conflict and you know it. Big Fat Forum Meanie and Thanatos Scammer
Veers Belvar Swordmasters of New Eden 430	Posted - 2015.01.04 01:01:16 - [49] - Quote Leto Thule wrote: Veers Belvar wrote: personally the only "toxic" behavior i've seen in AG is from code alts. Vast majority of people in AG just want to enjoy the game in peace...not looking for conflict. Stop trolling. EVE is intended to be full of conflict and you know it. Nonsense. Solo gameplay is an absolute fact of life for a tremendous number of people in highsec. They go out, do pve, earn iskies, and buy stuff. They have minimal interaction with other players, and certainly no ship to ship conflict. The game absolutely supports that playstyle, and that is a reality of Eve. That you don't like solo players doesn't make them cease to exist or make their playstyle invalid.
Concord Guy's Cousin State War Academy Caldari State 153	Posted - 2015.01.04 01:01:58 - [50] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: personally the only "toxic" behavior i've seen in AG is from code alts. Some of the AG crowd go out of their way to denigrate and ban anybody that dares to question the gospel of antiganking or suggest that people should take steps to protect themselves against gankers. Quote: Vast majority of people in AG just want to enjoy the game in peace...not looking for conflict. Eve is all about conflict, the whole game and its mechanics are designed around it, the whole economy is conflict/destruction driven. Peace is certainly an option, but it's not a very good one if it leads to people not acknowledging that Eve is at its heart driven by conflict. ISD LackOfFaith ~ "Your Catalyst was a hamster, and your Retriever smelt of elderberries" NPC Forum Alt, because reasons.
Veers Belvar Swordmasters of New Eden 430	Posted - 2015.01.04 01:05:13 - [51] - Quote Concord Guy's Cousin wrote: Veers Belvar wrote: personally the only "toxic" behavior i've seen in AG is from code alts. Some of the AG crowd go out of their way to denigrate and ban anybody that dares to question the gospel of antiganking or suggest that people should take steps to protect themselves against gankers. Quote: Vast majority of people in AG just want to enjoy the game in peace...not looking for conflict. Eve is all about conflict, the whole game and its mechanics are designed around it, the whole economy is conflict/destruction driven. Peace is certainly an option, but it's not a very good one if it leads to people not acknowledging that Eve is at its heart driven by conflict. Eve is at its heart driven by WHATEVER THE HECK YOU WANT. You can spend your entire ever career pressing F1 on rocks, and that is fine. No one is compelled to seek conflict, and there is no reason to consider that the fundamental gameplay in Eve. It's a free range simulation, not a WoT FPS.
Concord Guy's Cousin State War Academy Caldari State 153	Posted - 2015.01.04 01:06:35 - [52] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: Concord Guy's Cousin wrote: Veers Belvar wrote: personally the only "toxic" behavior i've seen in AG is from code alts. Some of the AG crowd go out of their way to denigrate and ban anybody that dares to question the gospel of antiganking or suggest that people should take steps to protect themselves against gankers. Quote: Vast majority of people in AG just want to enjoy the game in peace...not looking for conflict. Eve is all about conflict, the whole game and its mechanics are designed around it, the whole economy is conflict/destruction driven. Peace is certainly an option, but it's not a very good one if it leads to people not acknowledging that Eve is at its heart driven by conflict. Eve is at its heart driven by WHATEVER THE HECK YOU WANT. You can spend your entire ever career pressing F1 on rocks, and that is fine. No one is compelled to seek conflict, and there is no reason to consider that the fundamental gameplay in Eve. It's a free range simulation, not a WoT FPS. You do realise that pressing F1 and nomming on rocks is in itself a conflict driver, by virtue of depriving another player the chance of nomming on those rocks? ISD LackOfFaith ~ "Your Catalyst was a hamster, and your Retriever smelt of elderberries" NPC Forum Alt, because reasons.
Leto Thule Obsidian Cadre 1874	Posted - 2015.01.04 01:10:12 - [53] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: Leto Thule wrote: Veers Belvar wrote: personally the only "toxic" behavior i've seen in AG is from code alts. Vast majority of people in AG just want to enjoy the game in peace...not looking for conflict. Stop trolling. EVE is intended to be full of conflict and you know it. Nonsense. Solo gameplay is an absolute fact of life for a tremendous number of people in highsec. They go out, do pve, earn iskies, and buy stuff. They have minimal interaction with other players, and certainly no ship to ship conflict. The game absolutely supports that playstyle, and that is a reality of Eve. That you don't like solo players doesn't make them cease to exist or make their playstyle invalid. Stop trolling. No ship to ship contact? Wrong game. Big Fat Forum Meanie and Thanatos Scammer
Veers Belvar Swordmasters of New Eden 430	Posted - 2015.01.04 01:13:11 - [54] - Quote Leto Thule wrote: Veers Belvar wrote: Leto Thule wrote: Veers Belvar wrote: personally the only "toxic" behavior i've seen in AG is from code alts. Vast majority of people in AG just want to enjoy the game in peace...not looking for conflict. Stop trolling. EVE is intended to be full of conflict and you know it. Nonsense. Solo gameplay is an absolute fact of life for a tremendous number of people in highsec. They go out, do pve, earn iskies, and buy stuff. They have minimal interaction with other players, and certainly no ship to ship conflict. The game absolutely supports that playstyle, and that is a reality of Eve. That you don't like solo players doesn't make them cease to exist or make their playstyle invalid. Stop trolling. No ship to ship contact? Wrong game. I guess highsec miners and mission runners who spend all of their time engaging with npcs and not other capsuleer ships are all trolls now? Do you just make this stuff up on your own or do you use talking points from code?
Leto Thule Obsidian Cadre 1874	Posted - 2015.01.04 01:19:19 - [55] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: Leto Thule wrote: Veers Belvar wrote: Leto Thule wrote: Veers Belvar wrote: personally the only "toxic" behavior i've seen in AG is from code alts. Vast majority of people in AG just want to enjoy the game in peace...not looking for conflict. Stop trolling. EVE is intended to be full of conflict and you know it. Nonsense. Solo gameplay is an absolute fact of life for a tremendous number of people in highsec. They go out, do pve, earn iskies, and buy stuff. They have minimal interaction with other players, and certainly no ship to ship conflict. The game absolutely supports that playstyle, and that is a reality of Eve. That you don't like solo players doesn't make them cease to exist or make their playstyle invalid. Stop trolling. No ship to ship contact? Wrong game. I guess highsec miners and mission runners who spend all of their time engaging with npcs and not other capsuleer ships are all trolls now? Do you just make this stuff up on your own or do you use talking points from code? I'm not a member of code, and no, they aren't trolls. You are trolling because its obvious that you only post this absolutely rediculous crap about EVE being "peaceful" to get a response. Your game is minor league. Big Fat Forum Meanie and Thanatos Scammer
Veers Belvar Swordmasters of New Eden 430	Posted - 2015.01.04 01:27:58 - [56] - Quote Leto Thule wrote: I'm not a member of code, and no, they aren't trolls. You are trolling because its obvious that you only post this absolutely rediculous crap about EVE being "peaceful" to get a response. Your game is minor league. Honestly I could care less about a response. Feel free to not response. I post because thousands of highsec miners and mission runners play Eve this way....they are looking for solo play or collaboration, NOT ship to ship conflict. That you disparage them doesn't make them not exist. Get used to it.
Leto Thule Obsidian Cadre 1877	Posted - 2015.01.04 02:41:28 - [57] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: Leto Thule wrote: I'm not a member of code, and no, they aren't trolls. You are trolling because its obvious that you only post this absolutely rediculous crap about EVE being "peaceful" to get a response. Your game is minor league. Honestly I could care less about a response. Feel free to not response. I post because thousands of highsec miners and mission runners play Eve this way....they are looking for solo play or collaboration, NOT ship to ship conflict. That you disparage them doesn't make them not exist. Get used to it. I'm fine with it. Its them that needs to get used to it. Big Fat Forum Meanie and Thanatos Scammer
412nv Yaken The Conference Elite CODE. 241	Posted - 2015.01.04 03:06:51 - [58] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: Feel free to not response. That "ivy" league law degree obviously didn't help with your engrish. A True Champion of High Security Space
412nv Yaken The Conference Elite CODE. 241	Posted - 2015.01.04 03:12:50 - [59] - Quote Moved to post above A True Champion of High Security Space
loyalanon The Conference Elite CODE. 597	Posted - 2015.01.04 03:21:06 - [60] - Quote more "PLEASE CCP HELP US" instead of "I should help myself in this game today by not being lazy/afk/want to play a single player game/all of the above" I do love reading the attempts to get CCP to save you though.
loyalanon The Conference Elite CODE. 597	Posted - 2015.01.04 03:29:44 - [61] - Quote Seraph IX Basarab wrote: I don't understand this point of making threads. When someone does something I don't like I shoot them. Then I ask myself are they still doing it? If yes, keep shooting. What's the problem? The problem is the - CCP PLEASE SAVE MEEEEEEEEEEEEE attitude that Anti-gankers have.
Veers Belvar Swordmasters of New Eden 430	Posted - 2015.01.04 03:30:47 - [62] - Quote loyalanon wrote: Seraph IX Basarab wrote: I don't understand this point of making threads. When someone does something I don't like I shoot them. Then I ask myself are they still doing it? If yes, keep shooting. What's the problem? The problem is the - CCP PLEASE SAVE MEEEEEEEEEEEEE attitude that Anti-gankers have. Lots of talk. How is the incursion ganking contest going? Oh wait...it failed. Easier to pick on helpless miners and haulers who can't shoot back, I suppose?
Lin Suizei 225	Posted - 2015.01.04 03:43:54 - [63] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: Lots of talk. How is the incursion ganking contest going? Oh wait...it failed. Easier to pick on helpless miners and haulers who can't shoot back, I suppose? Clearly, it is the elite combat skills of these hardened, veteran highsec pve experts, which prevents terrible, unskilled gankers from successfully popping highsec incursion runners. Lol I can't delete my forum sig.
Leto Thule Obsidian Cadre 1880	Posted - 2015.01.04 07:37:11 - [64] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: loyalanon wrote: Seraph IX Basarab wrote: I don't understand this point of making threads. When someone does something I don't like I shoot them. Then I ask myself are they still doing it? If yes, keep shooting. What's the problem? The problem is the - CCP PLEASE SAVE MEEEEEEEEEEEEE attitude that Anti-gankers have. Lots of talk. How is the incursion ganking contest going? Oh wait...it failed. Easier to pick on helpless miners and haulers who can't shoot back, I suppose? So what if it failed? The point of playing a game is to have fun. Offering up contests keeps players interested and working together to overcome obstacles, whatever they may be. If I would have known about it, I would have offered up a few kitsunes for logi jamming, just for the ******* sake of seeing what happens when the logi chain drops. Those would be some nasty loss mails. Big Fat Forum Meanie and Thanatos Scammer
Makhpella Temet Nosce Ex Astra 27	Posted - 2015.01.04 11:01:03 - [65] - Quote Scott Bacon wrote: Being away for the holidays, I did not get a chance to comment on the recent Announcement From Gorila thread before it was locked. I am therefore making this post, as I feel my viewpoint is important.. Scott Bacon wrote: I am therefore making this post, as I feel my viewpoint is important.. Scott Bacon wrote: I feel my viewpoint is important.. Then I stopped reading. It is like echo in my head. Can you please make audio record of your speech and then someone else remix it?
Azov Rassau Neo CONCORD 138	Posted - 2015.01.04 11:36:01 - [66] - Quote Wallace Trucker wrote: What you do in game reflects on who you are in RL. Interesting. Back in GTA Vice City, I used to attack the police station in Little Havana with a rocket launcher, steal some cars from the villas in Starfish Island and then detonate 'em all by using my M134 Minigun at the entrance of Malibu Club with some 80s songs playing in the background, followed by hours long hilarious and ruthless Deathmatch/Team Deathmatch PvP on its multiplayer mode. I don't think I will do those things in RL anytime soon... Not sure what you're trying to say eitherGÇª A video-game is there to let people have fun, or relax after a long day at work, not to 'reflect on who we are in RL'. ? Black Pedro wrote: players who overload a freighter and send it AFK through a ganker hotspot because they would rather be watching television on another screen. those full-time AFK whiners who Autopilot through 0.5 systemsGÇª their stupidity is extreme. I am not even sure why they bother logging in. No AFKing. Safety First. Use D-Scan, Check Local. Be Alert. www.GankerJamming.com Need your stuff moved? Join channel [HC] Haulers Hub or make a cool private contract to Red Frog Freight!
Tear Jar New Order Logistics CODE. 268	Posted - 2015.01.04 13:34:31 - [67] - Quote I am surprised you aren't seeing more toxicity from ag. I logged my alt into ag last night. Literally the first comment after I joined was a homophobic slur directed at James 315. Not one person in chat called him on it. By contrast, over a year in the Minerbumping channel and I have not seen any racist or homophobic comments, and if someone did I know lots of people who would call it out.
Tear Jar New Order Logistics CODE. 268	Posted - 2015.01.04 13:56:08 - [68] - Quote Cannibal Kane wrote: Wallace Trucker wrote: ....inane prattle... So I guess you don't play games were you have to shoot people like FPS. Funny enough I was watching an episode of top gear catching up on some seasons. In one show they had Alice Cooper in it. And what he said suddenly made perfect sense. You guys are the ninnies from those years when Rock started. This is bad for you, it promotes sex and violence and some more inane dribble. While the witches of that time went on like you are, you would only miss meeting some of the nicest people you could meet because you are to easily swayed by the your own glaring hatred. Funny enough Alice and the crew still send them gift every year just to be nice. Congrats, you have become the ninnies of yester year. I think the issue is certain players don't think of highsec as a pvp issue. Nobody complains when you blow up miners in low sec because low is a designated pvp zone. Like call of duty is a designated pvp game. They incorrectly consider highsec a pve zone. Then complain highsec pvpers are griefers who are playing the game wrong:
admiral root Red Galaxy 2108	Posted - 2015.01.04 14:02:29 - [69] - Quote Tear Jar wrote: By contrast, over a year in the Minerbumping channel and I have not seen any racist or homophobic comments, and if someone did I know lots of people who would call it out. That's because we're all "sociopaths" in the New Order. :P No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff \| No-one hates you, none of us care enough for that. Sabriz for CSM
Nomis Alexander Haldskel Corporation Dark.Moon Rising 29	Posted - 2015.01.04 14:24:09 - [70] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: ...That you don't like solo players doesn't make them cease to exist or make their playstyle invalid.... Veers Belvar wrote: ...I guess highsec miners and mission runners who spend all of their time engaging with npcs and not other capsuleer ships are all trolls now?... Veers Belvar wrote: ...That you disparage them doesn't make them not exist... That's an impressive number of straw men all raised on one page.
Pi Show RW Vindicator Connection Novaku Alliance 0	Posted - 2015.01.04 15:38:35 - [71] - Quote Maybe the issue is a lot simpler. Perhaps the AG crowd simply want to hear that CODE and affiliates are bad people. Might as well give them that assurance as it would only reinforce the RP.
Lady Areola Fappington 2507	Posted - 2015.01.04 16:55:34 - [72] - Quote Tear Jar wrote: I am surprised you aren't seeing more toxicity from ag. I logged my alt into ag last night. Literally the first comment after I joined was a homophobic slur directed at James 315. Not one person in chat called him on it. By contrast, over a year in the Minerbumping channel and I have not seen any racist or homophobic comments, and if someone did I know lots of people who would call it out. I've spent time in both AG and minerbumping. I honestly couldn't tolerate the AG channel. I'm one of those LGBT tyle people, and seeing the constant homophobic/transphobic slurs just...ugh. Friends of mine have died because of those words. Minerbumping, I think the one time I saw someone busting out homophobic comments, it got shut down quite promptly by the channel moderators. No excuses, no nothing. People who couldn't keep it classy were shown the door, regardless of how great a ganker they were. It isn't really hard, but I think there are customers that you can lose in a good way and there's customers that you can lose in a bad way. If people come in and fundamentally don't like EVE Online, then I think that might be a good way of losing customers. . -á--CCP Soundwave
admiral root Red Galaxy 2110	Posted - 2015.01.04 19:24:23 - [73] - Quote That's because we hate everyone equally. No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff \| No-one hates you, none of us care enough for that. Sabriz for CSM
McChicken Combo HalfMayo The Happy Meal 196	Posted - 2015.01.04 19:37:53 - [74] - Quote Lady Areola Fappington wrote: I've spent time in both AG and minerbumping. I honestly couldn't tolerate the AG channel. I'm one of those LGBT tyle people, and seeing the constant homophobic/transphobic slurs just...ugh. Friends of mine have died because of those words. You should see Emolgranlan local, a mining hotspot in the Heimatar region. It's worse than anything I've seen on MB from AG. Sometimes I'll return to find a dozen-message-strong conversation about my sexual orientation. My crime? Logging in. ~ Bookmarks in overview ~ Fleet improvements
Leto Thule Obsidian Cadre 1889	Posted - 2015.01.05 02:38:27 - [75] - Quote Wallace Trucker wrote: What you do in game reflects on who you are in RL. Holy crap. I can fly a SPACESHIP?!?! Where the **** is it??!? Also I must make a note to find out where the clones of myself are kept, so when I am destroyed, Ill know how to get home when I wake up. I should also cancel my life insurance, seeing as how I am an immortal. This is the best news EVER! Big Fat Forum Meanie and Thanatos Scammer
ISD Ezwal ISD Community Communications Liaisons 3379	Posted - 2015.01.05 15:09:05 - [76] - Quote I have removed a rule breaking post and those quoting it. The Rules: 4. Personal attacks are prohibited. Commonly known as flaming, personal attacks are posts that are designed to personally berate or insult another forum user. Posts of this nature are not beneficial to the community spirit that CCP promote and as such they will not be tolerated. ISD Ezwal Vice Admiral Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department
Kash State War Academy Caldari State 2	Posted - 2015.01.05 21:54:38 - [77] - Quote Remember AG, the 7 P's Proper Planning and Preparation Prevents P1ss Poor Performance. Apply this before you go mining and you won't be getting Ganked!
Scott Bacon Maximum Q 4	Posted - 2015.01.05 23:19:32 - [78] - Quote Anyone claiming the AG channel is full of hate, homophobia, etc is either: a) Wrong b) Engaging in defamation I've been in the AG channel pretty much since I started playing. Only on very rare occasions does anyone step out of line and say something that is inappropriate, and if moderators are online, it is quickly addressed. It's one of the cleanest chat channels in all the Internet.
Erys blabla... A.A.A.A.A 1	Posted - 2015.01.06 00:25:06 - [79] - Quote Scott Bacon wrote: Anyone claiming the AG channel is full of hate, homophobia, etc is either: a) Wrong b) Engaging in defamation I've been in the AG channel pretty much since I started playing. Only on very rare occasions does anyone step out of line and say something that is inappropriate, and if moderators are online, it is quickly addressed. It's one of the cleanest chat channels in all the Internet. O_o Seriously?? Well I guess there is no worse blind person than the one who does not want to see.
Mag's the united 18542	Posted - 2015.01.06 00:59:51 - [80] - Quote Scott Bacon wrote: Anyone claiming the AG channel is full of hate, homophobia, etc is either: a) Wrong b) Engaging in defamation I've been in the AG channel pretty much since I started playing. Only on very rare occasions does anyone step out of line and say something that is inappropriate, and if moderators are online, it is quickly addressed. It's one of the cleanest chat channels in all the Internet. Just quoting this for posterity. Golf clap Well played Sir. Bravo. Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Solonius Rex F0RCED ENTRY F0RCED ENTRY. 12	Posted - 2015.01.06 01:33:03 - [81] - Quote All i have to say, is, I dont get it. I think a mentally healthy person would not scream and punch their computer screen after losing a ship. Its understandable to get emotionally upset after something like that happens, but the correct response afterwards should be "Wow, In hindsight, now that ive calmed down a bit, i was clearly over-reacting. I shouldnt have done that, and I suppose the minerbumping post is the price im gonna pay for over-reacting like this". I mean, if someone is pissing you off with verbal taunts, that doesnt give you the right to punch them in the face. And if they charge you with physical assault, the "He was calling me bad names" defense isnt gonna fly. Your actions have consequences. Acting like an idiot, over-reacting, is going to have consequences. Sometimes its a wardec after smack talking in local. Sometimes its a post on a blog after sending death threats. You need to take responsibility for your actions. If you act like an idiot, youre gonna get called out as an idiot. And yes, "Tears" are frequently funny, which is why they are so enjoyable. You might say this is wrong, but this is so prevalent in our culture, that it is the norm, and acceptable. In The Simpsons for example, Homer is an idiot and is frequently subjected to painful situations, and thats what makes it so funny. Americas Funniest Home Videos, frequently have people being idiots and getting into painful situations, and its funny. /b/ on the website 4chan, frequently makes fun of tons of idiots who are serious, and quite a bit of it is hilarious. Considering these things, considering how you could endure real, actual, physical pain, or actual, emotional loss over real, actual things that exist in reality, losing a pixelated ship in a video game should be put on the top of the list for "Things people shouldnt give a **** about".
Crumplecorn Eve Cluster Explorations 1771	Posted - 2015.01.06 02:38:15 - [82] - Quote Scott Bacon wrote: I've been in the AG channel pretty much since I started playing. Only on very rare occasions does anyone step out of line and say something that is inappropriate, and if moderators are online, it is quickly addressed. It's one of the cleanest chat channels in all the Internet. Hmm, this reminds me a bit of James 315 euphemising ganking, only without the wit, humour, insight, wisdom or basic factual correctness. Though in fairness, it made me laugh almost as much. Witty Image - Stream Not Liking this post hurts my RL feelings and will be considered harassment
loyalanon The Conference Elite CODE. 601	Posted - 2015.01.07 02:02:03 - [83] - Quote Scott Bacons blog if anyone is interested
Sabriz Adoudel Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE. 4303	Posted - 2015.01.07 02:33:02 - [84] - Quote Scott Bacon wrote: Anyone claiming the AG channel is full of hate, homophobia, etc is either: a) Wrong b) Engaging in defamation I've been in the AG channel pretty much since I started playing. Only on very rare occasions does anyone step out of line and say something that is inappropriate, and if moderators are online, it is quickly addressed. It's one of the cleanest chat channels in all the Internet. If it has improved, I might put spais back in there, I have five alts that are not well known and four of them have names that wouldn't stand out (I also have one alt that isn't banned from the channel but is fairly well known to be my alt). But by god it was toxic when I was in there last. More common than the use of real-life slurs was the banning of people from the channel for providing legitimate good advice to avoid ganking. Suggesting to people that, if they want to haul and avoid being ganked themselves, they actively go out of their way to bring their rival haulers to the attention of known gankers, then slip through the danger systems while the gankers are GCC, was not tolerated despite being probably the best advice you could give. I can understand not tolerating people actively selling New Order permits in your channel, but buying a permit is a +EV decision if you are a freighter pilot and believe that even ONE New Order ganker would honor it. Channel banning people for making the +EV decision (and thus having a permit in their bio) is just silly. There is no shame in acquiescing to the smaller demands of your rivals in a game. Also Scott. I'd never read your blog. Thank you for a laugh - it made my day at work. Chaos. Opportunity. Destruction. Excitement... Vote #1 Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10
Cato XIII The Carnifex Corp 17	Posted - 2015.01.07 02:45:38 - [85] - Quote I got kicked from the AG channel. Then they blocked my entire space guild and prevented any of us from participating in there. Who can I talk to about gettting unbanned Scott?
Raiz Nhell Veni Vidi Vici Reloaded 388	Posted - 2015.01.07 02:58:39 - [86] - Quote loyalanon wrote: Scott Bacons blog if anyone is interested Wow, that is such a massive steaming pile tripe... I fail to see how losing space pixels due to inattentiveness, incompetence, greed or all of the above equates to bullying... Anyone who undocks needs to take adequate precautions to ensure the safety of their spaceship, being ganked means you have failed in this most basic of tasks. There is no such thing as a fair fight... If your fighting fair you have automatically put yourself at a disadvantage.
Sabriz Adoudel Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE. 4303	Posted - 2015.01.07 03:49:50 - [87] - Quote Oh god, I just read the OP's blog again and this time I read it without expecting it to be a comedy. He actually believes it. OP - How do you feel about children's sport? Is it child abuse if a child willingly (and with permission from their parents) enters an athletics competition? If they place last they may experience disappointment, be subject to ridicule, or they may injure themselves in an accident. All three occurred to me when I was a child, and I never considered any of those incidents child abuse or bullying. Competitive environments have winners and losers, and every interaction in EVE is competitive - whether that be a ganker hunting a miner, or two Sisters of EVE level 4 mission runners both trying to offload their Sisters Core Scanner Probes on the market at the same time. When I'm in a mood for a competitive gaming experience I play EVE. When I want a non-competitive one, I load up Path of Exile instead. Chaos. Opportunity. Destruction. Excitement... Vote #1 Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10
Velicitia XS Tech 2700	Posted - 2015.01.07 04:27:38 - [88] - Quote Sabriz Adoudel wrote: More common than the use of real-life slurs was the banning of people from the channel for providing legitimate good advice to avoid ganking. Suggesting to people that, if they want to haul and avoid being ganked themselves, they actively go out of their way to bring their rival haulers to the attention of known gankers, then slip through the danger systems while the gankers are GCC, was not tolerated despite being probably the best advice you could give. Speaking of -- I nearly got banned for suggesting that "ganking the orca / bowhead dropping cats for a small gank force is (edit- possibly) a viable way to stop people from doing that" (see: this alod for details). One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Grand Admiral Simo-Hayha The Scope Gallente Federation 133	Posted - 2015.01.07 07:52:42 - [89] - Quote Frankly, I have seen too much when it comes to the extent of this board and to the extent of CODE, both of which are controlled by Goon. Take criticism on this board with a grain of salt, swallow hard, and know that the majority of the people serving CODE and Goon do not think for themselves, care to think for themselves, they enjoy being ruthless, sycophantic, and bullying people for no other reason then they can. The excuse, so you don't think too badly of them, is that they are doctors, nurses, cops, students, teachers, in real life, which this is somehow supposed to make you feel better that you have a sociopath behind a surgical knife or with a badge, and as to imply their job somehow validates who they are. It isen't roll play and you aren't hurting their feelings by calling them what they are, they will simply do their alt-orchestrated damage control on the boards and in the end, they will control the consensus. Goon has been around a long long time, and it isent because they let movements like AG go unchecked, unaccounted for, and unrestrained. They will continue, and have for a long time, to infiltrate the AGC, but unlike the rest of their enemies, this is not a network of alliances or corps. It's just like minded people coming together, something they cant stop, grows by the day, and as much as they would enjoy smiting it, They can't. Goon and code are simple creatures, they thrive on violence, chaos, and strife. It is a need they feel in real life, and either are impotent to express, or helpless to. So they use MMORPG's for an outlet for their inner cravings. They are nothing new. Griefers have been around since on line gaming was created. It is part of the human condition. The people that sadistically goad you after taking what you worked for, are just being who they are, but without the consequences of every day real life. Don't be mad at them, they are being who they are, do what I do and communicate in a way that is meaningful to them and speaks volumes, shoot them, its the only thing they understand. And for heavens sake, do not feed the thing by talking to it, it thrives on animosity and discord. Just understand the psychological profile of the majority of code supporters and it will be easy to side step them, verbally corner them, and sweep their irritating nonsense aside. You are dealing with it all wrong. Shoot back, ambush them, and go on the offensive and they will learn to leave you alone... or donate sweet sweet kill reports to miner kill records. Whichever comes first.
Sabriz Adoudel Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE. 4309	Posted - 2015.01.07 08:14:17 - [90] - Quote Grand Admiral Simo-Hayha wrote: Frankly, I have seen too much when it comes to the extent of this board and to the extent of CODE, both of which are controlled by Goon. Take criticism on this board with a grain of salt, swallow hard, and know that the majority of the people serving CODE and Goon do not think for themselves, care to think for themselves, they enjoy being ruthless, sycophantic, and bullying people for no other reason then they can. The excuse, so you don't think too badly of them, is that they are doctors, nurses, cops, students, teachers, in real life, which this is somehow supposed to make you feel better that you have a sociopath behind a surgical knife or with a badge, and as to imply their job somehow validates who they are. It isen't roll play and you aren't hurting their feelings by calling them what they are, they will simply do their alt-orchestrated damage control on the boards and in the end, they will control the consensus. Goon has been around a long long time, and it isent because they let movements like AG go unchecked, unaccounted for, and unrestrained. They will continue, and have for a long time, to infiltrate the AGC, but unlike the rest of their enemies, this is not a network of alliances or corps. It's just like minded people coming together, something they cant stop, grows by the day, and as much as they would enjoy smiting it, They can't. Goon and code are simple creatures, they thrive on violence, chaos, and strife. It is a need they feel in real life, and either are impotent to express, or helpless to. So they use MMORPG's for an outlet for their inner cravings. They are nothing new. Griefers have been around since on line gaming was created. It is part of the human condition. The people that sadistically goad you after taking what you worked for, are just being who they are, but without the consequences of every day real life. Don't be mad at them, they are being who they are, do what I do and communicate in a way that is meaningful to them and speaks volumes, shoot them, its the only thing they understand. And for heavens sake, do not feed the thing by talking to it, it thrives on animosity and discord. Just understand the psychological profile of the majority of code supporters and it will be easy to side step them, verbally corner them, and sweep their irritating nonsense aside. You are dealing with it all wrong. Shoot back, ambush them, and go on the offensive and they will learn to leave you alone... or donate sweet sweet kill reports to miner kill records. Whichever comes first. I am controlled by 'Goon'? Assuming you mean Goonswarm Federation, this is news to me. I've flown in fleets alongside Goons, but I have also sold strategic supplies to their enemies in wars and manipulated markets to profit at the expense of the Goons. There are Goons I respect (Mynnna in particular), Goons I have contempt for (I won't name the one that comes to mind here) and over ten thousand I've never interacted with. Chaos. Opportunity. Destruction. Excitement... Vote #1 Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10
Scott Bacon Maximum Q 5	Posted - 2015.01.07 08:15:24 - [91] - Quote I was done, but I need to make one clarification. Loyalanon and a few of his buddies keep claiming the gankingisbullying blog is mine. Why, I don't know. I guess they think it is funny. The gankingisbullying blog is not my blog. I do, however, have an Eve blog, which is in my in-game bio if anyone cares.
Black Pedro Yammerschooner 394	Posted - 2015.01.07 12:49:49 - [92] - Quote Grand Admiral Simo-Hayha wrote: Frankly, I have seen too much when it comes to the extent of this board and to the extent of CODE, both of which are controlled by Goon. Take criticism on this board with a grain of salt, swallow hard, and know that the majority of the people serving CODE and Goon do not think for themselves, care to think for themselves, they enjoy being ruthless, sycophantic, and bullying people for no other reason then they can. Controlled by Goons? What does that even mean? I am a member of the New Order and am certainly not controlled by anyone. Are they suppose to send me talking points or something to post on the forums? Grand Admiral Simo-Hayha wrote: The excuse, so you don't think too badly of them, is that they are doctors, nurses, cops, students, teachers, in real life, which this is somehow supposed to make you feel better that you have a sociopath behind a surgical knife or with a badge, and as to imply their job somehow validates who they are. So instead of taking this in the spirit it was given - evidence that they play Eve as a game unrelated to how they behave in "real life" - you conclude that they are all really sociopathic upstanding members of society? Isn't it more likely that they are normal, well-adjusted people that are playing a fantasy spaceship game in the way it was designed. You know, the whole dark, dystopian future thing CCP has marketed the game as? Grand Admiral Simo-Hayha wrote: It isen't roll play and you aren't hurting their feelings by calling them what they are, they will simply do their alt-orchestrated damage control on the boards and in the end, they will control the consensus. So you feel it is okay to call other players "anal cancer" because there is a giant Goon-led conspiracy to "control the consensus"? And you claim these Goons are maladjusted. Grand Admiral Simo-Hayha wrote: The people that sadistically goad you after taking what you worked for, are just being who they are, but without the consequences of every day real life. Don't be mad at them, they are being who they are, do what I do and communicate in a way that is meaningful to them and speaks volumes, shoot them, its the only thing they understand. And for heavens sake, do not feed the thing by talking to it, it thrives on animosity and discord. That is kind of the point. This is a virtual space world we we can indulge in all sorts of destructive behaviour that would have serious or fatal consequences in the "real world". And the end of the day, no matter how things go down only space pixels are lost. This is a game - not real life. You really should try to remember that. And I agree with you, you should shoot them. This game is all about shooting spaceships and watching them explode. But despite what you might have heard, we members of the New Order are literate and do understand other forms of communication. For example, we get along quite well with our permit holders. They are only 10M ISK and are good for a whole year. Are you interested in purchasing one? Grand Admiral Simo-Hayha wrote: Just understand the psychological profile of the majority of code supporters and it will be easy to side step them, verbally corner them, and sweep their irritating nonsense aside. You are dealing with it all wrong. Shoot back, ambush them, and go on the offensive and they will learn to leave you alone... or donate sweet sweet kill reports to miner kill records. Whichever comes first. Please do this. Give us a competent resistance and the Code wins. But I can't help but notice that you have an empty killboard despite your years of anti-New Order rhetoric. I guess you have been shooting back and ambushing us on an alt then? Or are you just waiting for "someone else" to do it like the rest of your kind? Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10 is a good idea.
Solonius Rex F0RCED ENTRY F0RCED ENTRY. 24	Posted - 2015.01.07 20:37:38 - [93] - Quote Grand Admiral Simo-Hayha wrote: Frankly, I have seen too much when it comes to the extent of this board and to the extent of CODE, both of which are controlled by Goon. Take criticism on this board with a grain of salt, swallow hard, and know that the majority of the people serving CODE and Goon do not think for themselves, care to think for themselves, they enjoy being ruthless, sycophantic, and bullying people for no other reason then they can. The excuse, so you don't think too badly of them, is that they are doctors, nurses, cops, students, teachers, in real life, which this is somehow supposed to make you feel better that you have a sociopath behind a surgical knife or with a badge, and as to imply their job somehow validates who they are. Yeah, I couldnt agree with you more. I had the same experience when i was playing Call of duty once. All i wanted to do was to walk around the map, enjoying the great graphics and scenery. But there were too many sociopaths who are in the game and shoot and kill people just because they could, and just to be bullies. These bullies In call of duty, who actually shoot people in the head, and enjoy racking up as many kills as they can get, thrive on violence, chaos, and strife. No mentally stable, healthy, morally good person would ever want to go around shooting and killing people.
Mag's the united 18580	Posted - 2015.01.07 21:21:28 - [94] - Quote Grand Admiral Simo-Hayha wrote: Frankly, I have seen too much when it comes to the extent of this board and to the extent of CODE, both of which are controlled by Goon. Take criticism on this board with a grain of salt, swallow hard, and know that the majority of the people serving CODE and Goon do not think for themselves, care to think for themselves, they enjoy being ruthless, sycophantic, and bullying people for no other reason then they can. The excuse, so you don't think too badly of them, is that they are doctors, nurses, cops, students, teachers, in real life, which this is somehow supposed to make you feel better that you have a sociopath behind a surgical knife or with a badge, and as to imply their job somehow validates who they are. It isen't roll play and you aren't hurting their feelings by calling them what they are, they will simply do their alt-orchestrated damage control on the boards and in the end, they will control the consensus. Goon has been around a long long time, and it isent because they let movements like AG go unchecked, unaccounted for, and unrestrained. They will continue, and have for a long time, to infiltrate the AGC, but unlike the rest of their enemies, this is not a network of alliances or corps. It's just like minded people coming together, something they cant stop, grows by the day, and as much as they would enjoy smiting it, They can't. Goon and code are simple creatures, they thrive on violence, chaos, and strife. It is a need they feel in real life, and either are impotent to express, or helpless to. So they use MMORPG's for an outlet for their inner cravings. They are nothing new. Griefers have been around since on line gaming was created. It is part of the human condition. The people that sadistically goad you after taking what you worked for, are just being who they are, but without the consequences of every day real life. Don't be mad at them, they are being who they are, do what I do and communicate in a way that is meaningful to them and speaks volumes, shoot them, its the only thing they understand. And for heavens sake, do not feed the thing by talking to it, it thrives on animosity and discord. Just understand the psychological profile of the majority of code supporters and it will be easy to side step them, verbally corner them, and sweep their irritating nonsense aside. You are dealing with it all wrong. Shoot back, ambush them, and go on the offensive and they will learn to leave you alone... or donate sweet sweet kill reports to miner kill records. Whichever comes first. You sir, may have issues. Just saying. Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Jevatoxa Amandla Legion Dark.Moon Rising 2	Posted - 2015.01.07 22:26:10 - [95] - Quote Grand Admiral Simo-Hayha wrote: Frankly, I have seen too much when it comes to the extent of this board and to the extent of CODE, both of which are controlled by Goon. Take criticism on this board with a grain of salt, swallow hard, and know that the majority of the people serving CODE and Goon do not think for themselves, care to think for themselves, they enjoy being ruthless, sycophantic, and bullying people for no other reason then they can. The excuse, so you don't think too badly of them, is that they are doctors, nurses, cops, students, teachers, in real life, which this is somehow supposed to make you feel better that you have a sociopath behind a surgical knife or with a badge, and as to imply their job somehow validates who they are. It isen't roll play and you aren't hurting their feelings by calling them what they are, they will simply do their alt-orchestrated damage control on the boards and in the end, they will control the consensus. Goon has been around a long long time, and it isent because they let movements like AG go unchecked, unaccounted for, and unrestrained. They will continue, and have for a long time, to infiltrate the AGC, but unlike the rest of their enemies, this is not a network of alliances or corps. It's just like minded people coming together, something they cant stop, grows by the day, and as much as they would enjoy smiting it, They can't. Goon and code are simple creatures, they thrive on violence, chaos, and strife. It is a need they feel in real life, and either are impotent to express, or helpless to. So they use MMORPG's for an outlet for their inner cravings. They are nothing new. Griefers have been around since on line gaming was created. It is part of the human condition. The people that sadistically goad you after taking what you worked for, are just being who they are, but without the consequences of every day real life. Don't be mad at them, they are being who they are, do what I do and communicate in a way that is meaningful to them and speaks volumes, shoot them, its the only thing they understand. And for heavens sake, do not feed the thing by talking to it, it thrives on animosity and discord. Just understand the psychological profile of the majority of code supporters and it will be easy to side step them, verbally corner them, and sweep their irritating nonsense aside. You are dealing with it all wrong. Shoot back, ambush them, and go on the offensive and they will learn to leave you alone... or donate sweet sweet kill reports to miner kill records. Whichever comes first. Not sure if trolling or serious.
Jevatoxa Amandla Legion Dark.Moon Rising 2	Posted - 2015.01.07 22:31:58 - [96] - Quote Scott Bacon wrote: I do, however, have an Eve blog, which is in my in-game bio if anyone cares. Probably not.
412nv Yaken The Conference Elite CODE. 248	Posted - 2015.01.07 23:58:06 - [97] - Quote Scott Bacon wrote: I was done, but I need to make one clarification. Loyalanon and a few of his buddies keep claiming the gankingisbullying blog is mine. Why, I don't know. I guess they think it is funny. The gankingisbullying blog is not my blog. I do, however, have an Eve blog, which is in my in-game bio if anyone cares. Because it is your blog. However the negative backlash it has you are trying to cover for yourself. Nice one A True Champion of High Security Space
Scott Bacon Maximum Q 7	Posted - 2015.01.08 15:53:41 - [98] - Quote 412nv Yaken wrote: Scott Bacon wrote: I was done, but I need to make one clarification. Loyalanon and a few of his buddies keep claiming the gankingisbullying blog is mine. Why, I don't know. I guess they think it is funny. The gankingisbullying blog is not my blog. I do, however, have an Eve blog, which is in my in-game bio if anyone cares. Because it is your blog. However the negative backlash it has you are trying to cover for yourself. Nice one If I was going to write what is on the gankingisbullying blog, I would have just written it in my blog. I would not have created a completely separate blog for it.
Velicitia XS Tech 2708	Posted - 2015.01.08 16:15:06 - [99] - Quote maybe your alt did it ... alts are crafty bastards like that One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Ima Wreckyou The Conference Elite CODE. 696	Posted - 2015.01.08 16:15:12 - [100] - Quote Scott Bacon wrote: I was done, but I need to make one clarification. Loyalanon and a few of his buddies keep claiming the gankingisbullying blog is mine. Why, I don't know. I guess they think it is funny. The gankingisbullying blog is not my blog. I do, however, have an Eve blog, which is in my in-game bio if anyone cares. But the blog in your bio is named like Gorillas blog, so that can't be right either. Almost like the title of this thread was named like the thread Gorilla started... I know Gorilla is a cool guy and stuff, but it gets a little bit creepy me thinks. the Code ALWAYS wins
Thanatos Marathon Phoibe Enterprises 384	Posted - 2015.01.08 16:48:13 - [101] - Quote Why does this crap keep getting posted? HTFU. If someone tries to gank you, win or loose, give em a high five for undocking and trying to have some fun and move on. A week or two ago I even gave back all the guns and mods that dropped when a group failed to gank my alts miner in highsec. Peeps are just trying to have fun any way they can. Stop blathering like a twelve year old that expects to get their way all the time with no effort and have some fun.
Aralyn Cormallen Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation 652	Posted - 2015.01.08 16:54:21 - [102] - Quote loyalanon wrote: Scott Bacons blog if anyone is interested Wow. I... umm... err... Seriously, I have no words.
Aralyn Cormallen Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation 652	Posted - 2015.01.08 16:58:04 - [103] - Quote Sabriz Adoudel wrote: I am controlled by 'Goon'? Assuming you mean Goonswarm Federation, this is news to me. I've flown in fleets alongside Goons Quote: but I have also sold strategic supplies to their enemies in wars and manipulated markets to profit at the expense of the Goons. Quote: There are Goons I respect (Mynnna in particular), Goons I have contempt for (I won't name the one that comes to mind here) and over ten thousand I've never interacted with. crosses fingers
admiral root Red Galaxy 2145	Posted - 2015.01.08 17:01:08 - [104] - Quote Any typos I make are because each hand is being controlled by a different Goon. No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff \| No-one hates you, none of us care enough for that. Sabriz for CSM
ISD Ezwal ISD Community Communications Liaisons 3470	Posted - 2015.01.08 17:50:29 - [105] - Quote I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them. As always I let some edge cases stay. Please people, keep it on topic and above all civil! As I have said many times before, some punching about in C&P is perfectly fine. Taking it into real life however, is definitely not. The Rules: 4. Personal attacks are prohibited. Commonly known as flaming, personal attacks are posts that are designed to personally berate or insult another forum user. Posts of this nature are not beneficial to the community spirit that CCP promote and as such they will not be tolerated. ISD Ezwal Vice Admiral Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department
Areen Sassel 42	Posted - 2015.01.10 01:22:32 - [106] - Quote Tear Jar wrote: I am surprised you aren't seeing more toxicity from ag. I logged my alt into ag last night. Literally the first comment after I joined was a homophobic slur directed at James 315. Not one person in chat called him on it. I'm sorry I wasn't online at the time. I always do when I see 'em. (And, basically, for all I'm interested in stopping internet spaceships being blown up, the AG channel is horribly toxic.)
Sharise Dragonstar Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact 28	Posted - 2015.01.10 12:18:57 - [107] - Quote They will never admit it but CODE and there ilk just suicide gank as they enjoy trying to upset the person whose ship is being destroyed. Eve allows people to be themselves without no recriminations bar a few destroyed space pixels. They destroy a ship or bump (harass?) someone continually not to get the 10m isk liscense but to try and get a reaction from the player that they will enjoy. Don't agree with real life threats but if you upset someone you cannot expect everyone to react politely. (Which is what they are looking for)
admiral root Red Galaxy 2201	Posted - 2015.01.10 21:14:38 - [108] - Quote Sharise Dragonstar wrote: They will never admit it but CODE and there ilk just suicide gank as they enjoy trying to upset the person whose ship is being destroyed. What a marvellous pontification from your backside. Given how big the New Order is (and suicide ganking in general), I've no doubt there are a few who gank for the tears - it's statistically unlikely that every last one of us does it for the joy of blowing things up in a game about blowing things up. However, that's why most of us do it. Feel free to prove me wrong with verifiable facts. No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff \| No-one hates you, none of us care enough for that. Sabriz for CSM
Skandel The Wet Spot 60	Posted - 2015.01.11 16:39:55 - [109] - Quote Sharise Dragonstar wrote: They will never admit it but CODE and there ilk just suicide gank as they enjoy trying to upset the person whose ship is being destroyed. Eve allows people to be themselves without no recriminations bar a few destroyed space pixels. They destroy a ship or bump (harass?) someone continually not to get the 10m isk liscense but to try and get a reaction from the player that they will enjoy. Don't agree with real life threats but if you upset someone you cannot expect everyone to react politely. (Which is what they are looking for) You all look the same to me.

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