I expect players to remain civil and respectful towards others

Big mistake.

Oh goody,

Another corp to perma dec. I will just slot you in to start in a few weeks.

I know who you are, I have seen you talk in AG. You don't see it because you are one of them.

Oh goody,

Another corp to perma dec. I will just slot you in to start in a few weeks.

I know who you are, I have seen you talk in AG. You don't see it because you are one of them.

End of the Argument: Role Play vs Real Life

I'm making one last statement regarding the argument that who someone is in game does not reflect on who they are in real life, and the impact it has had on relations between CODE and the Anti-ganking (AG) community.

This argument has been going round and round lately, and it's getting tired. Forum participants are tired of it, Anti-ganking moderators are tired of it, everyone is getting tired of it. So I'm saying one last piece and then letting it go.

I have never outright suggested that the average supporter of CODE is a bad person in real life. What I have suggested and continue to believe is that by pushing the boundaries of role play too far (under the assumption that it is role play), they have made it very difficult for others to distinguish between role play and real life. That the argument persists incessantly is evidence of that. Some CODE supporters will say on forums or elsewhere that in game behavior does not reflect on who people are in real life, but their argument always ends there. Have you ever seen one of these people step out of character about specific incidents and demonstrate that there is a good friendly person underneath? I haven't. Not to say it hasn't happened, but I haven't seen it. I want to see it. I haven't. It makes their argument feel shallow and suspect.

Ultimately, it should be no surprise that some people continue to question the real life character of CODE members and affiliates. It is the bed they have made for themselves. They blame the AG community for not being able to tell the difference between role play and real life when it is they who bare much of the blame for making it so incredibly difficult to tell in the first place.

I write this not to badger or berate CODE members and affiliates. I write this hoping they will read it, consider my words carefully, and start to change the manner in which they conduct themselves. I will take a leaf of faith and accept that the CODE community is mostly good people. But you have to do something too. Step out of character more often, leave the whole "tear collecting" meme behind, and try to show people that you are here to have fun and not just to trample on the fun of others. Do that, and you will find many people, myself included, be much more amiable towards you. I will never join you; I like playing the good guy; but I and many others would very much like to play against you with more a feeling of confidence that we play against friends.

Is this a stealth CODE forum? It pretty much fits every point. The points are,

1. Wall of Text.
2. Rambling about nothing.
3. Talking about ganking.

Ultimately, it should be no surprise that some people continue to question the real life character of CODE members and affiliates. It is the bed they have made for themselves. They blame the AG community for not being able to tell the difference between role play and real life when it is they who bare much of the blame for making it so incredibly difficult to tell in the first place.

I write this not to badger or berate CODE members and affiliates. I write this hoping they will read it, consider my words carefully, and start to change the manner in which they conduct themselves. I will take a leaf of faith and accept that the CODE community is mostly good people. But you have to do something too. Step out of character more often, leave the whole "tear collecting" meme behind, and try to show people that you are here to have fun and not just to trample on the fun of others. Do that, and you will find many people, myself included, be much more amiable towards you. I will never join you; I like playing the good guy; but I and many others would very much like to play against you with more a feeling of confidence that we play against friends.

utter pathetic drivel

tldr stuff

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yawn, can someone poke me when we get opposition that is worth the time please. thanks.

Let's all play eve.


Dar'Nalaa

While you and the rest of AG are crying/sulking we are out playing eve.

let us know if you get anything new you want to throw our way.

As Loyalanon knows the game mechanics of Eve heavily favour the ganker. Any attempt to balance has the effect of rivers of tears from the so called 'Elite' players (gankers that is).

Do you actually believe this or are you just parroting the official line from the AG channel? You can be essentially 100% safe mining or hauling in highsec by doing only a handful of things. Convo me in game if you can't find these simple steps which are all over the forums and Eve blogs.

This self-defeating attitude - "Oh the game mechanics favour the gankers I can't do anything to stop them! Woe is me!" - is one of the major problems with the anti-ganker community. Stop complaining that you have to do a few things to ensure your safety and just play the game.

I know some CODE members have reported receiving real life threats from members of the AG community. I am not personally aware of any such threats.

'You can be essentially 100% safe mining or hauling in highsec by doing only a handful of things'
The ganker can choose when,where and what to gank. If the ganker does not bring the correct amount of firepower in order to remove the target I suggest they have the same defeatest attitude as you. The one thing the New Order brings to the table is their lack of fear to fail, they can and have thrown appropriate ships at a '100% safe targets'.

'the game mechanics favour the gankers'
Just stating the fact not complaining. I also think you are getting confused between the so called anti-gankers and the people that get ganked. I have every sympathy for players who have to endure hours of bumping in order to force them to log off if that is what you mean by playing the game.