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Bootleg Jack
Potters Field
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Posted - 2011.11.30 05:44:00 -
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Just another Caldari ship that takes non-Missle weapons skills.
Has there ever actually been an explanation as to why we need 2x as many weapons skills just to fly all of our own races ships?
Thought it was going to have missles?
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Handsome Hussein
141
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Posted - 2011.11.30 05:47:00 -
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I'd like to thank CCP for doubling the number of new Gallente ships introduced in this new patch.
BEFORE CRUCIBLE EVE WAS ON CRUISE CONTROL. After Crucible EVE didn't need cruise control. |
Bootleg Jack
Potters Field
6
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Posted - 2011.11.30 05:48:00 -
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Ouch, salt in the wound  |
Ancy Denaries
Frontier Venture
36
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Posted - 2011.11.30 05:49:00 -
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Bootleg Jack wrote:Has there ever actually been an explanation as to why we need 2x as many weapons skills just to fly all of our own races ships?
Yo there, Minmatar wants a word with you. |
Fix My Lasers
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
9
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Posted - 2011.11.30 05:49:00 -
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Bootleg Jack wrote:Just another Caldari ship that takes non-Missle weapons skills.
Has there ever actually been an explanation as to why we need 2x as many weapons skills just to fly all of our own races ships?
Thought it was going to have missles?
Because every race has to train 2x skills.
Like Gallente train Drones and Hybrids.
Minmatar trains ACs, Drones, Missiles, armor and shield tank.
Naga rocks!
It's just it misses drones like other 2, but that's me wants to see those BCs balanced.
Damn! This game is more like WoW! Trolls are everywhere!
Wish there were Orcs... |
Bootleg Jack
Potters Field
6
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Posted - 2011.11.30 05:51:00 -
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Fix My Lasers wrote:Bootleg Jack wrote:Just another Caldari ship that takes non-Missle weapons skills.
Has there ever actually been an explanation as to why we need 2x as many weapons skills just to fly all of our own races ships?
Thought it was going to have missles?
Because every race has to train 2x skills. Like Gallente train Drones and Hybrids. Minmatar trains ACs, Drones, Missiles, armor and shield tank. Naga rocks! It's just it misses drones like other 2, but that's me wants to see those BCs balanced.
Umm weapons... |
Crexa
Star Mandate
Property Management Solutions
8
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Posted - 2011.11.30 05:51:00 -
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Ancy Denaries wrote:Bootleg Jack wrote:Has there ever actually been an explanation as to why we need 2x as many weapons skills just to fly all of our own races ships?
Yo there, Minmatar wants a word with you.
Every race has got them... err wait gallente don't have missile, laser, or projectile boats of any kind.  But yeah minnie are doubley screwed, not just weps but shield and armor boat mixes too..
"...its breakfast time and i am very hungry. may i have some of your paint chips?" |
Handsome Hussein
141
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Posted - 2011.11.30 05:51:00 -
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Bootleg Jack wrote:Ouch, salt in the wound
Sorry bud, now I actually might have a reason to train rails... 
BEFORE CRUCIBLE EVE WAS ON CRUISE CONTROL. After Crucible EVE didn't need cruise control. |
Bootleg Jack
Potters Field
6
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Posted - 2011.11.30 05:52:00 -
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Ancy Denaries wrote:Bootleg Jack wrote:Has there ever actually been an explanation as to why we need 2x as many weapons skills just to fly all of our own races ships?
Yo there, Minmatar wants a word with you.
About your ships that all use the same weapons skills, tell me.
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Fix My Lasers
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
9
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Posted - 2011.11.30 05:55:00 -
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Bootleg Jack wrote:Fix My Lasers wrote:Bootleg Jack wrote:Just another Caldari ship that takes non-Missle weapons skills.
Has there ever actually been an explanation as to why we need 2x as many weapons skills just to fly all of our own races ships?
Thought it was going to have missles?
Because every race has to train 2x skills. Like Gallente train Drones and Hybrids. Minmatar trains ACs, Drones, Missiles, armor and shield tank. Naga rocks! It's just it misses drones like other 2, but that's me wants to see those BCs balanced. Umm weapons...
Okay, here's weapons:
Minmatar - AC, Missiles
Gallente - Hybrids, Drones
Amarr - no one cares.
Damn! This game is more like WoW! Trolls are everywhere!
Wish there were Orcs... |
Vachir Khan
TriSeq Defence Group
69
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Posted - 2011.11.30 05:58:00 -
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Yes because Caldari is clearly lacking in viable missile ships and they have so many good hybrid based ships that they really don't need another one.
Excellence is not a skill, it's an attitude.
If MMORPG players were around when God said, "Let there be light" they'd have called the light gay and plunged the universe back into darkness by squatting their nutsacks over it. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
1763
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Posted - 2011.11.30 06:01:00 -
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Crexa wrote:Every race has got them... err wait gallente don't have missile, laser, or projectile boats of any kind. Gallente have two weapon systems by default: hybrids and drones.
And then they have the Roden missile ships.
GǪand then a few curious ships that work best with projectiles (but that has more to do with projectiles than with the ships, granted).
Btw, (not really) related fun fact: there are more ships with tractor beam bonuses in the game than there are ships that give bonuses to cruise missiles.
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Bootleg Jack
Potters Field
6
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Posted - 2011.11.30 06:06:00 -
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Fix My Lasers wrote:Bootleg Jack wrote:Fix My Lasers wrote:Bootleg Jack wrote:Just another Caldari ship that takes non-Missle weapons skills.
Has there ever actually been an explanation as to why we need 2x as many weapons skills just to fly all of our own races ships?
Thought it was going to have missles?
Because every race has to train 2x skills. Like Gallente train Drones and Hybrids. Minmatar trains ACs, Drones, Missiles, armor and shield tank. Naga rocks! It's just it misses drones like other 2, but that's me wants to see those BCs balanced. Umm weapons... Okay, here's weapons: Minmatar - AC, Missiles Gallente - Hybrids, Drones Amarr - no one cares.
Show me the mini battleship that has missle bonuses?
Drones are not a primary weapon skill.
Let me educate you:
Mim: Projectile
Cal: Missles AND Hybrid
Gal: Hybrid
Am: Energy
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Onictus
Legendary Knights
Vorpal's Edge
47
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Posted - 2011.11.30 06:07:00 -
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Tippia wrote: By default: hybrids and drones.
And then they have the Roden missile ships.
GǪand then a few curious ships that work best with projectiles (but that has more to do with projectiles than with the ships, granted).
I call mine Hurricanes. |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
421
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Posted - 2011.11.30 06:07:00 -
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Void ammo Electron blaster Naga ? Eh.
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Contributor_name:Akita_T#Contributions_link_collection |
Laechyd Eldgorn
Molden Heath Angels
21
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Posted - 2011.11.30 06:07:00 -
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Bootleg Jack wrote:Just another Caldari ship that takes non-Missle weapons skills.
Has there ever actually been an explanation as to why we need 2x as many weapons skills just to fly all of our own races ships?
Thought it was going to have missles?
wait you're actually complaining caldari finally have one ship with NEARLY useful weapons besides tengu and drake?
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
1763
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Posted - 2011.11.30 06:09:00 -
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Bootleg Jack wrote:]Show me the mini battleship that has missle bonuses? Ok.: GÇ£5 percent bonus to Siege and Cruise missile launcher Rate of Fire per levelGÇ¥.
Quote:Drones are not a primary weapon skill. Gallente drone boats would like a word with youGǪ
Gah! Forum parser failGǪ 
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GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Vachir Khan
TriSeq Defence Group
69
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Posted - 2011.11.30 06:09:00 -
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Bootleg Jack wrote:Show me the mini battleship that has missle bonuses?
Typhoon
Excellence is not a skill, it's an attitude.
If MMORPG players were around when God said, "Let there be light" they'd have called the light gay and plunged the universe back into darkness by squatting their nutsacks over it. |
Cipher Jones
121
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Posted - 2011.11.30 06:10:00 -
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Quote:Show me the mini battleship that has missle bonuses?
Its called a Tengu.
See what happens when fat neckbeards try to ride little ponies? The ponies die. |
Zevina
Atomic Core Industries and Science
1
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Posted - 2011.11.30 06:12:00 -
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Yeah sad thing there was no missile ship introduced this patch. Have no love for these pesky pew pew blaster ships... |
Renllek
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers
The 0rphanage
4
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Posted - 2011.11.30 06:16:00 -
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Bootleg Jack wrote:Fix My Lasers wrote:Bootleg Jack wrote:Fix My Lasers wrote:Bootleg Jack wrote:Just another Caldari ship that takes non-Missle weapons skills.
Has there ever actually been an explanation as to why we need 2x as many weapons skills just to fly all of our own races ships?
Thought it was going to have missles?
Because every race has to train 2x skills. Like Gallente train Drones and Hybrids. Minmatar trains ACs, Drones, Missiles, armor and shield tank. Naga rocks! It's just it misses drones like other 2, but that's me wants to see those BCs balanced. Umm weapons... Okay, here's weapons: Minmatar - AC, Missiles Gallente - Hybrids, Drones Amarr - no one cares. Show me the mini battleship that has missle bonuses? Drones are not a primary weapon skill. Let me educate you: Mim: Projectile Cal: Missles AND Hybrid Gal: Hybrid Am: Energy
If by mini battleship you are refering to the new battlecruisers, then you have the caldari one wrong as im pretty sure that they removed the missile bonusses
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Super Chair
Hell's Revenge
Flatline.
42
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Posted - 2011.11.30 06:23:00 -
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You're not a caldari pilot if you're crying about having to train hybrids. Real caldari pilots train both. |
Fix My Lasers
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
9
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Posted - 2011.11.30 06:25:00 -
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Bootleg Jack wrote:Fix My Lasers wrote:Bootleg Jack wrote:Fix My Lasers wrote:Bootleg Jack wrote:Just another Caldari ship that takes non-Missle weapons skills.
Has there ever actually been an explanation as to why we need 2x as many weapons skills just to fly all of our own races ships?
Thought it was going to have missles?
Because every race has to train 2x skills. Like Gallente train Drones and Hybrids. Minmatar trains ACs, Drones, Missiles, armor and shield tank. Naga rocks! It's just it misses drones like other 2, but that's me wants to see those BCs balanced. Umm weapons... Okay, here's weapons: Minmatar - AC, Missiles Gallente - Hybrids, Drones Amarr - no one cares. Show me the mini battleship that has missle bonuses? Drones are not a primary weapon skill. Let me educate you: Mim: Projectile Cal: Missles AND Hybrid Gal: Hybrid Am: Energy
Damn, you're horrible at education. Means you never flown any other ship except caldari ones.
If you didn't know, ~30% of Gallente ships use a lot of drones and half of them has bonuses to them.
Half of minmatar ships have lots of lauchers and they have to use them because then can't fit more turrets.
And stop mentioning Amarr, they can't even change the damage type like you do.
Damn! This game is more like WoW! Trolls are everywhere!
Wish there were Orcs... |
Berendas
Clandestine Vector
THE SPACE P0LICE
20
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Posted - 2011.11.30 06:27:00 -
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Cipher Jones wrote:Quote:Show me the mini battleship that has missle bonuses? Its called a Tengu.
Well played sir. |
Tear Miner
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
63
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Posted - 2011.11.30 06:29:00 -
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Caldari pilots really can only deal with one thing at a time, at all times. God forbid you make them have to choose and make a decision.
Thus why they fly drakes and press F1. |
Spurty
V0LTA
VOLTA Corp
62
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Posted - 2011.11.30 06:41:00 -
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CCP makes blasters hurt again and at range and you're all "wut no mizzilez?!?"
Take a month out of your busy schedule training mining foreman V to train all hybrids to st least spec IV
Br'ing missiles to pvp should once more result in you dying in a humiliating way.
Guns for pvp
Missiles and drones for missions (or shooting fish in a barrel)
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CONCORD arrested two n00bs yesterday, one was drinking battery acid, the other was eating fireworks. They charged one and let the other one off. |
Zions Child
Odyssey Inc
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
186
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Posted - 2011.11.30 06:42:00 -
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Confirming, once again, that I have more points in Gunnery than missiles because guns are for PvP.
Also, 8 torps on a boat is absurdly powerful, like well beyond anything that has any sort of sense. |
Fix My Lasers
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
9
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Posted - 2011.11.30 06:46:00 -
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Zions Child wrote:Confirming, once again, that I have more points in Gunnery than missiles because guns are for PvP.
Also, 8 torps on a boat is absurdly powerful, like well beyond anything that has any sort of sense.
Yeah, with torps you can even coquer the world!
Damn! This game is more like WoW! Trolls are everywhere!
Wish there were Orcs... |
Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
Sanctuary Pact
203
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Posted - 2011.11.30 07:29:00 -
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Super Chair wrote:You're not a caldari pilot if you're crying about having to train hybrids. Real caldari pilots train both.
I'm a Gallente Pilot and that solution works well for me. Trained Gallente and Caldari and have not looked back since. Hybrids and Missiles, not a huge problem. Drones are a bonus, even in a Drake/Scorpion.
o/
The universe is an ancient desert, a vast wasteland with only occasional habitable planets as oases. We Fremen, comfortable with deserts, shall now venture into another. - STILGAR, From the Sietch to the Stars. |
Hemmo Paskiainen
Silver Snake Enterprise
Against ALL Authorities
31
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Posted - 2011.11.30 07:49:00 -
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Bootleg Jack wrote:Just another Caldari ship that takes non-Missle weapons skills.
Has there ever actually been an explanation as to why we need 2x as many weapons skills just to fly all of our own races ships?
Thought it was going to have missles?
It is because gallente needs 3, drones, hybrids and missiles
Crexa wrote:Every race has got them... err wait gallente don't have missile, laser, or projectile boats of any kind. But yeah minnie are doubley screwed, not just weps but shield and armor boat mixes too..
Gallente does have missiles:
Arazu & Lachesis
And u do need them if u want to put out any dps to notice
Fix My Lasers wrote:
Because every race has to train 2x skills.
Like Gallente train Drones and Hybrids.
Minmatar trains ACs, Drones, Missiles, armor and shield tank.
Naga rocks!
It's just it misses drones like other 2, but that's me wants to see those BCs balanced.
Caldari: shield, hybrid, missiles
Amarr: Armour, lasorz
Minmatar: Shield, missiles, projectiles (minmatar is no armour race)
Gallenten: armour, shield (lach, arazu, myrm & ishtar (dual possible), keres), missiles, hybryds, drones (other races too but gallente drone skills need to be very good (atleast 7-8m sp))
CCP FIX BLACK OPS FFS |
Opertone
Signal 7
17
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Posted - 2011.11.30 07:55:00 -
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look at this.
Only Achura pilots can complain about Hybrids. Because Achura are powergamer's breed.
True Deteis and Civire train guns and missiles, learn to armor tank and fly winmatar. This is why true caldari are against whine. |
Fix My Lasers
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
9
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Posted - 2011.11.30 08:11:00 -
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Crexa wrote:
Minmatar: Shield, missiles, projectiles (minmatar is no armour race)
Really? So Cane, Phoon, Rupture, Wolf, Muninn, even Tempest are not for armor tanking or at least they can't armor tank?
Damn! This game is more like WoW! Trolls are everywhere!
Wish there were Orcs... |
Hemmo Paskiainen
Silver Snake Enterprise
Against ALL Authorities
31
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Posted - 2011.11.30 08:47:00 -
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Fix My Lasers wrote:Crexa wrote:
Minmatar: Shield, missiles, projectiles (minmatar is no armour race)
Really? So Cane, Phoon, Rupture, Wolf, Muninn, even Tempest are not for armor tanking or at least they can't armor tank?
Best cane fit is shield fit same for wolf, muninn and tempest. They can fit armour but sacrificing alot of potential (TE & Gyro-¦s).
Rupture is very good armour buffer & phoon i dont know
I can let the rokh armour tank too but....the issule is the ships intended role vs its bonus vs its slot layout vs max potential u can get out of it. If u armour tank the cane its nowhere near as effective as a shield cane.
CCP FIX BLACK OPS FFS |
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
84
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Posted - 2011.11.30 08:47:00 -
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looks at typhoon ..
looks back at caldari rant...
looks at typhoon.
@ hemmo
Sure nano cane is great yet will do down in two volleys from drake fury scourge., will get killed if he engage more then one capable target.
Armor cane is great for solo stuff... or so i heard. |
Hemmo Paskiainen
Silver Snake Enterprise
Against ALL Authorities
31
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Posted - 2011.11.30 08:50:00 -
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Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:looks at typhoon ..
looks back at caldari rant...
looks at typhoon.
@ hemmo
Sure nano cane is great yet will do down in two volleys from drake fury scourge., will get killed if he engage more then one capable target.
Armor cane is great for solo stuff... or so i heard.
Dual neut cane helps alot, once drake is neutes he will be toasted
CCP FIX BLACK OPS FFS |
Zions Child
Odyssey Inc
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
186
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Posted - 2011.11.30 08:59:00 -
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Fix My Lasers wrote:Zions Child wrote:Confirming, once again, that I have more points in Gunnery than missiles because guns are for PvP.
Also, 8 torps on a boat is absurdly powerful, like well beyond anything that has any sort of sense. Yeah, with torps you can even coquer the world!
Can get about 730dps with mediocre skills on a Torp Raven. Add two more launchers, and probably a better bonus to damage and BAM, ridiculous DPS in a cheap, easy to use package. The only comparable ship is the Raven State Issue, which does 1k DPS with 8 torp launchers.
All four of the t3 BCs are pocket battleships, heavy damage, low health. Tornado is a close range beast, as is the Talos. The Naga is a sniping platform from hell, which at least differentiates itself from the other two. With torps, it would have been yet another close range monster. Another thing: having the ability to be 200km from a battle and still do a very large amount of DPS is a wonderful advantage. I'd almost say the Naga is overpowered compared to its brethren, which generally have to be up close to do their damage. Sure, distance is not a perfect tank, but its a hell of a lot better than what the others have now (which is basically oh god I've been targeted! no, wait, I'm dead already).
As for the Oracle: no one cares, Amarr's only advantage is that they're awesome for POS bashes because you can fall asleep until the FC screams something about being hotdropped. |
Federigo Mondial
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.11.30 09:03:00 -
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I am for one happy to have another rail boat for the Caldari.
Caldari has being lacking a proper DPS railboat for a long long time. |
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
84
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Posted - 2011.11.30 09:11:00 -
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Hemmo Paskiainen wrote:Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:looks at typhoon ..
looks back at caldari rant...
looks at typhoon.
@ hemmo
Sure nano cane is great yet will do down in two volleys from drake fury scourge., will get killed if he engage more then one capable target.
Armor cane is great for solo stuff... or so i heard. Dual neut cane helps alot, once drake is neutes he will be toasted
true but its situational you would have to land at 12km from drake lock him and scramble/web. Otherwise nano drake with fleet boost will outrun your hurricane and you melt 
You just cant engage drake sitting 30 klick from you ... or you are toast. |
Shivus Tao
Broski Enterprises
Elite Space Guild
76
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Posted - 2011.11.30 09:12:00 -
[39] - Quote
Super Chair wrote:You're not a caldari pilot if you're crying about having to train hybrids. Real caldari pilots train both.
I can't like this post enough.
Caldari pilots who only train missiles shoot themselves in the foot, then get hopped up on morphine. They don't feel how they're limiting themselves, but they can still only hobble along while they wonder why the good caldari pilots are passing them left and right.
Quit crying about having to train hybrids when given the skills required for the typhoon (maxed out drone, projectile, and missile) you can't really complain. Additionally, drones are indeed a weapon system, of course given your complaint I wouldn't expect you to have even T2 hobgoblins yet, let alone know the glory that is 5 fully maxed out sentries.
In other words, HTFU.
On the point of nanocane vs armorcane, they're two different styles of play. The nanocane is built for nano gangs and to kite opponents to death. The armor cane is built to latch onto a target and lay into him while neuting him out. An armorcane can neut out a dual active myrm and kill it fairly easily, likewise if it can latch onto a drake quickly, it can kill the drake before its armor buffer runs out. The nanocane by contrast can't neut out the myrm, and would die to the drake. A nanocane can however kite an armorcane to death.
Edit: Amarr also requires drones and missiles. The armageddon can field 5 heavies, the arbitrator hulls field 5 mediums, as does the harbinger, but in the arbitrator family's case drones are the only real source of damage. They have dedicated missile ships in the sacrilege and damnation, HAM legion is also an option. |
Zions Child
Odyssey Inc
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
186
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Posted - 2011.11.30 09:20:00 -
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Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:Hemmo Paskiainen wrote:Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:looks at typhoon ..
looks back at caldari rant...
looks at typhoon.
@ hemmo
Sure nano cane is great yet will do down in two volleys from drake fury scourge., will get killed if he engage more then one capable target.
Armor cane is great for solo stuff... or so i heard. Dual neut cane helps alot, once drake is neutes he will be toasted true but its situational you would have to land at 12km from drake lock him and scramble/web. Otherwise nano drake with fleet boost will outrun your hurricane and you melt You just cant engage drake sitting 30 klick from you ... or you are toast.
Nano drakes most annoying drakes. Seriously, hate those sons of bitches. Can't wait to pop them in a Naga fleet though. |
Elson Tamar
Lion Investments
58
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Posted - 2011.11.30 11:20:00 -
[41] - Quote
The Naga is awsome to look at, so theres one reason to train it. It's a reason for me to train caldari ;) and as for drones not being a primary weapon you obviously have never see an Ishtar or a neuting Domi at work. Not to mention the Sin used as it's ment to be used.
What you really wanted to say was 'I want to fly the new ship with skills i have already and why can't i have a torpedo launcher of doom 'cause i already have a drake'
Seriously you have the option of the blaster nano naga or the fast moving you cant hit me rail naga, slap on some large shield extenders for tank.
I only have experience of the talos, but mine is a 1088m/s 28000 ehp blaster boat. Seeing the use of the Naga yet? |
Cozmik R5
Dock 94
63
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Posted - 2011.11.30 11:23:00 -
[42] - Quote
Caldari used to be latin for "lack of gank". It's about time they got some ganky love!
Try not. Do. Or do not. There is no try. |
Vyktor Abyss
The Abyss Corporation
44
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Posted - 2011.11.30 11:26:00 -
[43] - Quote
Amazing to think that even Gallente and Amarr have ships using two different weapon systems.
Megathron has missile hardpoint, as does Enyo and have you ever looked at the Eris?
Amarr have lots of missile ships as well as lasers.
If it was a missile ship you'd be crying it was too similar to a stealth bomber or a Raven or something. Stop crying and use it. |
Raven Ether
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
48
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Posted - 2011.11.30 11:27:00 -
[44] - Quote
Learn to train noobs.
Missilecarebears. |
Skydell
Space Mermaids
6
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Posted - 2011.11.30 11:34:00 -
[45] - Quote
I agree 100%
Naga should have 8 high slot missle or Hybrid with role bonus for both.
And Amarr should have role bonus for large smart bombs. |
Cindy Marco
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2011.11.30 11:53:00 -
[46] - Quote
This is one Minny that loves this post lol.
But hey guys, look on the bright side. Once you've trained for all the Minmatar ships you are close to being able to fly any ship in the game competently. |
Captain Megadeath
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
28
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Posted - 2011.11.30 12:09:00 -
[47] - Quote
Federigo Mondial wrote:I am for one happy to have another rail boat for the Caldari.
Caldari has being lacking a proper DPS railboat for a long long time.
Oh, so this..........
Now real Caldari pilots that choose guns and go the Merlin, Moa, ferox, Rokh route get some loving.... 
Missilebears, you got some loving last time with your 110km+, 600DPS Tengus. Move along, nothing to see...... |
Ghoest
21
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Posted - 2011.11.30 14:57:00 -
[48] - Quote
OP is a whiner.
Minmatar has several ridiculous ships that need to both missiles and projectiles at the same time.
Gallente have drone ships and some that need to fit drones and blasters both at the same time.
Amarr has laser ships, drone ships and missile ships.
OP is a loser.
Wherever You Went - Here You Are |
Crosi Wesdo
Spiritus Draconis
55
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Posted - 2011.11.30 17:20:00 -
[49] - Quote
If its any consolation, i did fit t2 siege onto the naga on the test server and it was pretty fail compared to the blaster naga. |
Sader Rykane
The Dark Space Initiative
Revival Of The Talocan Empire
140
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Posted - 2011.11.30 17:21:00 -
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Bootleg Jack wrote:Just another Caldari ship that takes non-Missle weapons skills.
Has there ever actually been an explanation as to why we need 2x as many weapons skills just to fly all of our own races ships?
Thought it was going to have missles?
Say it with me now:
MIN-MA-TAR
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Vyl Vit
Cambio Enterprises
112
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Posted - 2011.11.30 17:26:00 -
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Gallente shmallente. Two words. Sorry for the excess verbiage.
To her it doesn't matter much.-á It's chasms have been leapt, and she leans upon the skepticism of her chosen fate. |
Mnengli Noiliffe
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
10
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Posted - 2011.11.30 17:33:00 -
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naga is much better than rokh because it got dps bonus. this is everything for this kind of ship.
in fact it's very similar to vindicator now but unlike that, it has great range (yes I need it for sniping), great locking range, and enough mid slots for shield tank. although vindicator can be fitted with 90k ehp and 4 MFS, it's too scary to fly because of the price tag...
i don't see what everyone is whining about. my experimental pyfa fit shows 800 dps at 64+30 km. this is better than tengu in most situations since you can refit longer ammo with slightly less dps. and this is instant damage so it's much better.
maybe it can't handle many lvl4s by itself, but it's excellent secondary damage dealer, better than maelstrom imho (unless target npcs are particularly resistant to therm+kin of course). |
Lord Ryan
True Xero
126
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Posted - 2011.11.30 17:43:00 -
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Once you train minnie support skills to spec you don't have to train any other support skill to fly other races. You have to train every frickin skill to fly minnie ships so please more Naga QQ for good measure throw in another Winmatar thread.
-á"Nerf it cause I can't fly it".
I want to fly a badass Mon Calamari stlye-ácruiser painted to match my Tron clothes. |
Federigo Mondial
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2011.11.30 17:48:00 -
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What to fly in a Caldari spec char is now Drakes, Naga and *insert random ECM boat here*
A few down more to go ~ |
Cipher Jones
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Posted - 2011.11.30 18:25:00 -
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Vyktor Abyss wrote:Amazing to think that even Gallente and Amarr have ships using two different weapon systems.
Megathron has missile hardpoint, as does Enyo and have you ever looked at the Eris?
Amarr have lots of missile ships as well as lasers.
If it was a missile ship you'd be crying it was too similar to a stealth bomber or a Raven or something. Stop crying and use it.
I've trained all races ships and have only to train energy weapons for amarr out of weapons systems.
That being said I have trained drones AND 2 weapons types for the 3 races I am fully trained in, and will have missiles, drones, and energy weapons for Amarr when completed.
Focusing on one ship is awesome, cross training is awesome. You can't do both at once, it takes time to do them all.
See what happens when fat neckbeards try to ride little ponies? The ponies die. |
Selinate
129
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Posted - 2011.11.30 18:34:00 -
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I fly amarr. Do you know how many different skill sets we need to fly our subcap ships?
Missiles.
Drones.
Lasers.
Quit complaining. |
Velicitia
Open Designs
137
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Posted - 2011.11.30 18:44:00 -
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Sader Rykane wrote:Bootleg Jack wrote:Just another Caldari ship that takes non-Missle weapons skills.
Has there ever actually been an explanation as to why we need 2x as many weapons skills just to fly all of our own races ships?
Thought it was going to have missles?
Say it with me now:
MWIN-MA-TAR
FYP. 
I should really train projectiles so I can play with the Tornado... maybe I'll add that little side-plan this weekend... hmm... |
Pulgy
Spiritus Draconis
6
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Posted - 2011.11.30 18:48:00 -
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Bootleg Jack wrote:
Has there ever actually been an explanation as to why we need 2x as many weapons skills just to fly all of our own races ships?
Welcome to being Gallente.
Monkeys writing-á Shakespeare?
That's like putting CCP in charge of game balance and content updates. |
Alistair Cononach
The Legion of Spoon
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
63
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Posted - 2011.11.30 19:07:00 -
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Bootleg Jack wrote:Am: Energy
Leaves out:
Inquisitor (Frigate, Missiles)
Arbitrator (Cruiser, Drones/Neuts)
Malediction (Inty, Missiles)
Vengeance (AF, Missiles)
Sentinel (EAF, Neuts/Drones)
Anathema (Cov Ops Frig, Missiles)
Purifier (Cov Ops Bomber, Missiles)
Heretic (Dictor, Missiles)
Sacrilige (HAC, Missiles)
Curse (Recon, Neuts/Drones)
Pilgrim (Recon, Neuts/Drones)
Damnation (Command, Missiles)
Our best T1 Cruiser, best Inty, only Dictor, only EAF, both Cov Ops Frigs, Best solo HAC, both our Recons and best Fleet Comamnd Ship all require non-Energey Weapon Skills.
And Amarr (generally) gets decent drone bays, so Drones also required (not optional) and are primary weapons for three hulls.
Toss in that the Maller, Navy. Aug and Prophecy all work better in many ways with Autocannons, and thats three more hulls that are really not "energy" focussed in general use. Also, Blood Raider ships (half Amarr, Amarr based Hulls) are all Neut-based Ships as well.
Safe to say that a good Amarr pilot needs a touch more than Energy Turrets to succeed with Amarr hulls. |
StillBorn CrackBaby
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
14
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Posted - 2011.11.30 19:23:00 -
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I'm Caldari with 20+ Million SP in Gunnery. So I like it... |
Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
131
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Posted - 2011.11.30 19:32:00 -
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I'm surprised to see that some people have only just noticed that Caldari is (arguably) the most SP-intensive race. |
Frothgar
V0LTA
VOLTA Corp
10
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Posted - 2011.11.30 19:50:00 -
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Started as caldari, then went over to Gallente when a rail Mega was the only thing anyone was allowed to bring to a fleet fight.
Roamed as minmatar, Settled with Amarr.
Bout damn time Caldari have a proper rail boat thats actually useful.
Perfect slot layout to be either midrange, or sniper fit.
Glad they didn't make another Drake/Tengu derp boat.
When you've trained everything, and are un-nerfable, its a lot easier to be happy with anything thats good.
So... sorry some folks are annoyed they have to train a 2nd weapons system for a while to use it well, but, its really a much nicer ship than a missile boat would have been.
Lets be honest, the last thing the game ever needed was a cruise spewing derpmovile operating outside of the range of any possible EWAR counter. |
Chandaris
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
12
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Posted - 2011.11.30 19:53:00 -
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Gypsio III wrote:I'm surprised to see that some people have only just noticed that Caldari is (arguably) the most SP-intensive race.
Are you people daft?
Gallente: hybrids, drones
Caldari: missiles, hybrids
Minmatar: arty, missiles
Amarr: lazors, missiles
every race has a few ships that use alternate weapon systems, and gallente require hefty still investment in 2.
caldari: naga, rokh, ferox? (but it can fit missiles too)
gallente: almost every ship needs hybrid and decent drone skills (missiles on a mega)
amarr: damnation and . isn't there an AF that is purely missiles?
minnie: most ships use a full rack of arties, and 2 missiles slots (of course we just tend to put neuts or gang links on instead)
and of course every race has SB's that need torp skills
cross training is a fact of life in EVE.
if you really hate it, make a neut or gang link naga and be quite :) or just fly a drake! :P |
Ana Vyr
Vyral Technologies
110
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Posted - 2011.11.30 19:56:00 -
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It was supposed to be able to use Torps (bonus to Siege Launchers only, not Cruise Launchers) when I read about it first. That may have given it some semblance of a new niche for a Caldari ship...I guess that plan fell apart. |
Chandaris
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
12
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Posted - 2011.11.30 19:57:00 -
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In all fairness they should just make it like the ferox.. give it the ability to run missiles or hybrids. |
Frothgar
V0LTA
VOLTA Corp
10
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Posted - 2011.11.30 20:01:00 -
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Gypsio III wrote:I'm surprised to see that some people have only just noticed that Caldari is (arguably) the most SP-intensive race.
Not really, none of their ships use T2 heavies, or sentries, so that axes a few months of training time.
They have a single gun system to train for like every other race, and use missiles, like every other race.
They have only one tanking style to train for, every other race has to train both to be able to be competent in anything. (LOLSCORP doesn't count because you can skill for basic armor tanking in an afternoon, but it takes a month to be proficient in it)
You have one style of Ewar to train for, it doesn't require any more SP than tracking disruptors, and its effective in every situation, unlike tracking disruptors or damps, or even lolpainters.
Caldari don't even need advanced navigation skills to shine, the difference between IV and V for propulsion skills is negligable for a ship that started and ended the fight 100km from the enemy fleet.
Best T3 ship thats also the easiest to skill for, also the ability to train BS sized weapons while ignoring frigate sized ones (110m SP and I still don't have standard missiles to V despite cruise and torp all to T2 and spec IV)
I guess theres the "Grass is always greener" syndrome, but TBH, the reason I was switching to other races back 4 years ago wasn't because caldari sucked, its because at 25m SP, I could already do everything I ever wanted to (CNR,Rokh, Falcon, Drake) and had the ability to pick something else.
Glad I did, because it really gets interesting to have more options. I encourage everyone to do likewise. |
Ana Vyr
Vyral Technologies
110
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Posted - 2011.11.30 20:10:00 -
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Heck yeah Caldari is skill intensive....mainly because you had to cross train Amaar to be allowed in any PvP fleets back when I lived in nullsec, LOL.
At this point I can use T2 shields, armour, energy turrets, missles, and drones...with both Caldari and Amaar BS at V. I never actually trained up hybrids to T2 because they sucked (in the eyes of the various fleet commanders I served under in those days).
I guess the real question is, why does anyone think the Naga will see any more use than Rokhs do today....just the price point? |
The Thrill
2
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Posted - 2011.11.30 21:09:00 -
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Hemmo Paskiainen wrote:the issule is the ships intended role
roflmao
try webster's for sandbox
Incarna - exceedingly pointless - one cancellation already, *** going for two now....
Cruicble - what happened to all those promised fixes CCP? |
Vyl Vit
Cambio Enterprises
112
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Posted - 2011.11.30 21:11:00 -
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Ahar! Naga = Rokh. Funny. My turn? Okay.
Butterfly = Bull!
Your turn.
To her it doesn't matter much.-á It's chasms have been leapt, and she leans upon the skepticism of her chosen fate. |
Bootleg Jack
Potters Field
8
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Posted - 2011.11.30 23:02:00 -
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Vyktor Abyss wrote:Amazing to think that even Gallente and Amarr have ships using two different weapon systems.
Megathron has missile hardpoint, as does Enyo and have you ever looked at the Eris?
Amarr have lots of missile ships as well as lasers.
If it was a missile ship you'd be crying it was too similar to a stealth bomber or a Raven or something. Stop crying and use it.
Having a "lol" hardpoint is a lot different than having your faction skill bonuses be tied to two different weapons skills.
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Shivus Tao
Broski Enterprises
Elite Space Guild
79
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Posted - 2011.11.30 23:07:00 -
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Bootleg Jack wrote:Vyktor Abyss wrote:Amazing to think that even Gallente and Amarr have ships using two different weapon systems.
Megathron has missile hardpoint, as does Enyo and have you ever looked at the Eris?
Amarr have lots of missile ships as well as lasers.
If it was a missile ship you'd be crying it was too similar to a stealth bomber or a Raven or something. Stop crying and use it. Having a "lol" hardpoint is a lot different than having your faction skill bonuses be tied to two different weapons skills.
I agree. Which is why you'll agree it's a good thing the naga was switched to a pure hybrid ship that has a use rather than split between a terrible torpedo ship that would never be used, and a terrible hybrid ship that would never be used. |
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