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Gwen Ikiryo
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
459
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Posted - 2015.01.11 17:02:45 -
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Miss Hydreiga,
Assuming what you're saying is true - I have to confess some degree of general skeptisism with your claims - Most of what you mentioned there are problems with society, not with you. If people treated you like a savage, that is (factually, based on our understanding of genetics and how racial markers influence human behaviour) simple bigotry of either a cultural or personal nature on their part, and no fault of your heritage. As for the issues with your physicality, I doubt they were tied deeply into race, so the other vast amount of variables in human genetics, considering I have met plenty of Sebiestor who are fat, tall, muscular, and so on.
I would suggest you are attempting to address a social problem with a physical solution, and satisfy people who frankly to not deserve to be satisfied. To attempt to relate personally, as an Achur, I am frequently talked down to and infantalized to a disproportionate degree based on my appearance, considered in many respects the lesser to ethnic Caldari in the context of the State, and have been told I am not acting properly because I am not conforming to the stereotype of being "quiet" and "reserved". All of these things frustrate me - Should I therefore seek to change disguise my heritage in such a way that I will no longer suffer them, despite being physically and mentally healthy?
Of course I shouldn't. The idea is absurd. I serve both myself and society better by attempting to change those perceptions, rather than simply avoiding them. |
Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
278
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Posted - 2015.01.11 17:04:33 -
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Wendrika Hydreiga wrote:Miss Ikiryo, what you are saying is rubbish!
Being a Sebiestor was awful! I wasn't welcomed anywhere, people treated me like I was some savage and even when I was super polite people were surprised and thought I was raised on a village or something! I was super thin, short, with no muscle mass, my eyes and head were too big and don't get me started on the whole tattoo business!
Sure, I had to settle with Intaki genetic markers, and it took me weeks of therapy to get my face right, but now I'm strong enough to wear a dropsuit, my body is more receptive to enhancements and now I can work more closely with corporations and Federal agencies that would otherwise turn me down!
As far as my DED file is concerned, I didn't exist until a few of months ago! As such, who I was before any of this is not important at all! What's important here is self-enhancement!
Then I think the issue here has nothing to do with you being Sebiestor and more to do with who you are.
I never really had much of an issue going around as a Sebiestor. Whenever someone raised some kind of fuss about my bloodline, I made sure he will find no cause to be concerned for long. The ones who can't look past the stereotype and insist on being ignorant of our culture are not worth the time and effort. If they can be so close-minded about my skin-colour, they will be close-minded about everything else, and are not worth the breath wasted on them.
I may be slight of built but I never had much of an issue with physical work. Then again, a childhood spent with labourious work and the latter military training did pretty well in putting some meat around these thin bones.
I wear my tattoos with pride. Every stroke tells a story, all of which I am not ashamed of. Every so often, I look into the mirror, and onto these tattoos, and reflect and reminiscent. Every mistake I made, every noteworthy experiences, every moment of triumph and tribulation, are etched onto my flesh as these tattoos. I looked upon them, reflected on the lessons I had learnt, remember my roots and how I got here, and I was glad. There is no shame with these tattoos.
Though the tattoos can be very inconvenient. Except for the Voluval, none of these tattoos carry over from clone to clone. Whenever I die I have to go and get myself tattooed all over again. However, this is but a minor quibble. I just need to bring along some diversions the next time I need to get all my tattoos back after death.
- Would very much love to cobble anyone who insinuates that I am a loyalist in the head with a 125mm calibre Fusion round.
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Candi LeMew
Isogen 5
13739
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Posted - 2015.01.11 22:29:57 -
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Gwen Ikiryo wrote:Candi LeMew wrote:I always wished I was born Achuran. You should learn to love yourself for the way you are, miss. If you start down the path of trying to change yourself in one way or another instead of doing that first, you'll never stop. Oh I am happy with myself, Miss Ikiryo!
I just hate where I came from. Had I been born Achuran like my adopted family then I'd never had to suffer the life I did while growin' up in the Federation. My new family though, well they've given me a reason, a purpose and they gave me pride. I dress like them, do my makeup like them, dye my hair like theirs.
It's as much to honor them as it is to be as much like them as I possibly can.
=ƒΙΖ I am a banana.
Bob Is Always Watching ...
"I been kicked out of better homes than this" - Rick James
Seek freedom and become captive of your desires. Seek discipline and find your liberty.
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Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
293
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Posted - 2015.01.11 23:33:51 -
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Don't listen to them, Wendrika. You were right to rid yourself of your Minmatarness, and for doing so you will be rewarded at the Judgement. |
Bai'xao Meiyi
102
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Posted - 2015.01.12 02:35:54 -
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Johanes Beaumonte wrote:I am certain it will only be a matter of days, if not hours, that the Minmatar capsuleers "come for their people".
*puffs on his cigar, blowing copious amounts of smoke and hot air, nodding to himself*
They'll sit in their little dens, frowning and making loud noises until someone popular makes a fleet.
They'll stomp this the..4th? tower.
Pretend something was accomplished.
Then go back to sitting in their dens, ignoring the root of the problem. |
Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
279
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Posted - 2015.01.12 03:39:23 -
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Nauplius wrote:Don't listen to them, Wendrika. You were right to rid yourself of your Minmatarness, and for doing so you will be rewarded at the Judgement.
So sayeth the fellow who was likely touched by a Matari at a bad place at some point.
Bai'xao Meiyi wrote:Johanes Beaumonte wrote:I am certain it will only be a matter of days, if not hours, that the Minmatar capsuleers "come for their people".
*puffs on his cigar, blowing copious amounts of smoke and hot air, nodding to himself* They'll sit in their little dens, frowning and making loud noises until someone popular makes a fleet. They'll stomp this the..4th? tower. Pretend something was accomplished. Then go back to sitting in their dens, ignoring the root of the problem.
Welcome to a day in life at the Matari side of the Amarr-Matar front.
- Would very much love to cobble anyone who insinuates that I am a loyalist in the head with a 125mm calibre Fusion round.
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Luna Hanaya
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
24
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Posted - 2015.01.12 04:43:07 -
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Candi LeMew wrote:Pieter Tuulinen wrote:I am, personally, very happy in my current racial identity. All I'm saying is that I know two capsuleers who are not. I always wished I was born Achuran. The God made you who you are, please enjoy it, as it was His plan.
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Jennifer Starfall
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
1
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Posted - 2015.01.12 18:25:11 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Gwen Ikiryo wrote:I have to consent with pilot Zenariae. Changing ones race over the issue of identity is treating a symptom rather then a problem - That is, societies passing judgements or imparting concrete expectations based on it. In the end, approaching the issue in this way will only validate those unconstructive cultural notions further. Well, with the issue of culture and race being conflated so frequently it's not surprising.
I would agree as well; however, while I'm "content" with being racially a Caldari, I would have to be honest that I would give a great deal for genetics that are less of a mess.
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Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
4430
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Posted - 2015.01.12 18:55:33 -
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Jennifer Starfall wrote:Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Gwen Ikiryo wrote:I have to consent with pilot Zenariae. Changing ones race over the issue of identity is treating a symptom rather then a problem - That is, societies passing judgements or imparting concrete expectations based on it. In the end, approaching the issue in this way will only validate those unconstructive cultural notions further. Well, with the issue of culture and race being conflated so frequently it's not surprising. I would agree as well; however, while I'm "content" with being racially a Caldari, I would have to be honest that I would give a great deal for genetics that are less of a mess.
I'm sorry to hear that, suuolo. The truth is that whilst the program has been a good thing, in general, it has let some of it's children down terribly. You are not the first that I've heard this about.
"You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions."
"Only a killer would know that..."
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Jennifer Starfall
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
1
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Posted - 2015.01.12 19:20:29 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:I'm sorry to hear that, suuolo. The truth is that whilst the program has been a good thing, in general, it has let some of it's children down terribly. You are not the first that I've heard this about.
"Let down" is a gross understatement of what the State has done to me. It's my experiences at the hands of the State that make it so clear to me why monsters like Hydreiga and Nauplius must be opposed. We must always be vigilant to oppose them and set aside petty differences in favor of fighting the real enemy.
In this regard, Pyre disappointed me. Pieter, you and the rest of Pyre are consummate fighters; do not let Pyre's might be deflected from our real enemies by your petty differences and the pointless wars of the empires.
The same could be said for all other organizations that would truly see the Cluster become a better place.
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Candi LeMew
Isogen 5
14308
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Posted - 2015.01.12 21:24:09 -
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Luna Hanaya wrote:Candi LeMew wrote:Pieter Tuulinen wrote:I am, personally, very happy in my current racial identity. All I'm saying is that I know two capsuleers who are not. I always wished I was born Achuran. The God made you who you are, please enjoy it, as it was His plan. I don't believe in a god. But my boss sometimes talks about this Bob person. I think it's more of a philosophy thing though than a religion.
Anyway, I am happy with myself and my life too. Still wish I was Achuran though. Don't have to be unhappy or dissatisfied to dream of something better.
=ƒΙΖ I am a banana.
Bob Is Always Watching ...
"I been kicked out of better homes than this" - Rick James
Seek freedom and become captive of your desires. Seek discipline and find your liberty.
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Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
4430
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Posted - 2015.01.12 22:02:18 -
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Jennifer Starfall wrote:Pieter Tuulinen wrote:I'm sorry to hear that, suuolo. The truth is that whilst the program has been a good thing, in general, it has let some of it's children down terribly. You are not the first that I've heard this about. "Let down" is a gross understatement of what the State has done to me. It's my experiences at the hands of the State that make it so clear to me why monsters like Hydreiga and Nauplius must be opposed. We must always be vigilant to oppose them and set aside petty differences in favor of fighting the real enemy. In this regard, Pyre disappointed me. Pieter, you and the rest of Pyre are consummate fighters; do not let Pyre's might be deflected from our real enemies by your petty differences and the pointless wars of the empires. The same could be said for all other organizations that would truly see the Cluster become a better place.
Again, I surely can't disagree with you. I remember the days when ideology guided us with some fondness and, despite what the Federation would have people believe, making an isk is not ideology to the Caldari.
"You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions."
"Only a killer would know that..."
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1549
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Posted - 2015.01.17 12:46:23 -
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Those, who destroyed this tower without trying to put it into use, you are the same as Mr. Nauplius.
Capsuleers and their games in destruction... you are just wasting resources and lives instead of putting them into something that really matters. |
Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1126
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Posted - 2015.01.17 12:55:21 -
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There was NO good use to be made out of that disgusting thing. It was used for nothing more than to destroy lives. Lives that we rescued. Because guess what, at each and every one of these towers, I've been there in a transport, recovering the Butcher's victims. I've brought those people under my care, and have treated them to medical aid, psychological care, reunion with their families, and transport to new lives.
And now you, the little genocidist **** who preaches the same monstrous beliefs as the Butcher, trying to preach morals to other people. You're a disgrace to yourself and the Caldari State. How a juvenile delinquent like you got through the capsule program I will never understand. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1549
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Posted - 2015.01.17 12:56:53 -
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Only a brainwashed by gallentean ideals idiot would say that I am a "genocidist" though. |
Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1126
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Posted - 2015.01.17 13:04:03 -
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Whatever you say. |
Jennifer Starfall
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
15
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Posted - 2015.01.17 17:55:24 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Those, who destroyed this tower without trying to put it into use, you are the same as Mr. Nauplius.
Capsuleers and their games in destruction... you are just wasting resources and lives instead of putting them into something that really matters.
Such as propagating an agenda of hatred?
If you think Nauplius' Tower is anything other than a weapon of terror, you are quite mistaken. It's because of rabid, mindless animals like you that have caused the State to rot from within. If you love the State as much as you claim, don't even biomass yourself. I couldn't bear the though of some innocent being infested by the most basic of amino acids that once had the misfortune to compose you. Just gather up your clones and drop yourself in the nearest star. At least then, you'll have made at least one small positive contribution by providing a moment of warm light on the faces of the children you were a curse to. |
Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
293
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Posted - 2015.01.18 01:02:52 -
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Samira Kernher wrote:There was NO good use to be made out of that disgusting thing. It was used for nothing more than to destroy lives. Lives that we rescued. Because guess what, at each and every one of these towers, I've been there in a transport, recovering the Butcher's victims. I've brought those people under my care, and have treated them to medical aid, psychological care, reunion with their families, and transport to new lives.
And now you, the little genocidist **** who preaches the same monstrous beliefs as the Butcher, trying to talk about morals to those of us who actually put in effort to save instead of destroy. You're a disgrace to yourself and the Caldari State. How a juvenile delinquent like you got through the capsule program I will never understand.
Sarah Kernher is more short tempered and foul of speech than she used to be. One upon a time, she deluded herself into thinking she could be like the Chosen, and the wayward Chosen in PIE thought she could be like them.
But she has failed to overcome her Minmatarness, and relapsed into the gutter that is her birthright. This is why slaves should never be freed. Amen. Amarr Victor. |
Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1139
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Posted - 2015.01.18 08:59:27 -
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The Butcher wrote:Samira Kernher is more short tempered and foul of speech than she used to be.
Because of you. Because of you and monsters like you. |
Ashlar Vellum
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
132
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Posted - 2015.01.18 19:41:22 -
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Nauplius wrote: Sarah Kernher is more short tempered and foul of speech than she used to be. One upon a time, she deluded herself into thinking she could be like the Chosen, and the wayward Chosen in PIE thought she could be like them.
But she has failed to overcome her Minmatarness, and relapsed into the gutter that is her birthright. This is why slaves should never be freed. Amen. Amarr Victor.
You are right about one thing, not everyone is ready for all the responsibilitys freedom gives. You are the prime example of someone who should still be a slave. |
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chaosjj
Resource Extraction And Devolopment
70
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Posted - 2015.01.18 20:46:15 -
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I am absolutely discusted by the very thought of these towers, how could any sane human bring such suffering to another human? especialy as it is in the name of some fictional magical person in the sky. |
Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
291
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Posted - 2015.01.19 01:58:36 -
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chaosjj wrote:I am absolutely discusted by the very thought of these towers, how could any sane human bring such suffering to another human? especialy as it is in the name of some fictional magical person in the sky.
Whoever said the guy who erected the tower, with hardly any defenses but two white noise generators, one of which was placed INSIDE the bubble, was sane?
- Would very much love to cobble anyone who insinuates that I am a loyalist in the head with a 125mm calibre Fusion round.
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Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
4433
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Posted - 2015.01.19 02:47:41 -
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Ashlar Vellum wrote:Nauplius wrote: Sarah Kernher is more short tempered and foul of speech than she used to be. One upon a time, she deluded herself into thinking she could be like the Chosen, and the wayward Chosen in PIE thought she could be like them.
But she has failed to overcome her Minmatarness, and relapsed into the gutter that is her birthright. This is why slaves should never be freed. Amen. Amarr Victor.
You are right about one thing, not everyone is ready for all the responsibilitys freedom gives. You are the prime example of someone who should still be a slave.
Or at the very least confined and strictly monitored.
"You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions."
"Only a killer would know that..."
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Luna Hanaya
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
29
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Posted - 2015.01.19 09:40:28 -
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Ashlar Vellum wrote:Nauplius wrote: Sarah Kernher is more short tempered and foul of speech than she used to be. One upon a time, she deluded herself into thinking she could be like the Chosen, and the wayward Chosen in PIE thought she could be like them.
But she has failed to overcome her Minmatarness, and relapsed into the gutter that is her birthright. This is why slaves should never be freed. Amen. Amarr Victor.
You are right about one thing, not everyone is ready for all the responsibilitys freedom gives. You are the prime example of someone who should still be a slave. I agree with this! Him and many other murderous blasphemers here should be reclaimed as slaves. I don't see the other way to turn them to the right path.
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1551
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Posted - 2015.01.19 13:12:43 -
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It really surprises me that no one tried to make a trap on that tower to catch some pro-gallentean pilots, who would rush to save "poor slaves" with foam at their mouths. Gallentean abolitionists are like cattle, thinking by emotions instead of cold calculations and could easily be trapped and eliminated.
But instead of precise and efficient operation I see this drama like in some trash cheap gallentean flick about "saving poor slaves".
Wake up, peoples! Don't you see you are manipulated and can't think clearly? I am really getting sick from such atrocious use of resources. Do you think you are better than Mr. Nauplius by destroying his tower?
Bull*censored*.
You are *censored* the same.
And to another weakling who would moan about "but slaves, but people lives". This is freaking WAR. People DIE here.
Are you captains of space ships or crybabies?! |
Jennifer Starfall
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
19
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Posted - 2015.01.19 17:04:30 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Wake up, peoples! Don't you see you are manipulated and can't think clearly? I am really getting sick from such atrocious use of resources. Do you think you are better than Mr. Nauplius by destroying his tower?
Yes, yes we do. We are better than Nauplius because we understand the inherent value of human lives, regardless of their race. But based on your rabid frothing of hatred, I'm not sure you're capable of understanding that. I don't know if you've been that indoctrinated by the State, or if there is some horrible tragedy in your past that has left you horribly scarred. In either case, you have my pity.
Diana Kim wrote:And to another weakling who would moan about "but slaves, but people lives". This is freaking WAR. People DIE here.
Are you captains of space ships or crybabies?!
There is a difference between the soldiers and crews that have answered the clarion call of the cause they believe in, and the slaves being consumed by the monster that is Nauplius. Once again, I'm not sure if you're even capable of understandingthe difference. |
Claudia Osyn
Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies.
1065
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Posted - 2015.01.19 20:06:06 -
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Diana Kim wrote:It really surprises me that no one tried to make a trap on that tower to catch some pro-gallentean pilots, who would rush to save "poor slaves" with foam at their mouths. Gallentean abolitionists are like cattle, thinking by emotions instead of cold calculations and could easily be trapped and eliminated. Didn't see you exicuting a camp on the tower eather sweetie, that makes you just as bad as the people your dissapointed in.
The lack of money is the root of all evil.
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Ascentior
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
145
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Posted - 2015.01.20 00:18:03 -
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Nauplius wrote:Samira Kernher wrote:There was NO good use to be made out of that disgusting thing. It was used for nothing more than to destroy lives. Lives that we rescued. Because guess what, at each and every one of these towers, I've been there in a transport, recovering the Butcher's victims. I've brought those people under my care, and have treated them to medical aid, psychological care, reunion with their families, and transport to new lives.
And now you, the little genocidist **** who preaches the same monstrous beliefs as the Butcher, trying to talk about morals to those of us who actually put in effort to save instead of destroy. You're a disgrace to yourself and the Caldari State. How a juvenile delinquent like you got through the capsule program I will never understand. Sarah Kernher is more short tempered and foul of speech than she used to be. One upon a time, she deluded herself into thinking she could be like the Chosen, and the wayward Chosen in PIE thought she could be like them. But she has failed to overcome her Minmatarness, and relapsed into the gutter that is her birthright. This is why slaves should never be freed. Amen. Amarr Victor. 1st Lt Kernher's temper is quite becoming of a True Amarrian. She has shown true restraint while others were bickering over who should destroy that damned aberration and why. It is only after the work is complete, to not only remove the despicable structure, but also put herself and her crew in more danger to rescue those who were trapped. Only after that, when others dare to tread upon the efforts made by the righteous. Only then, does she bother to put those unrighteous fools in their place. Would that all Amarrians show the same faith and action, God's universe would surely be united quite soon indeed.
Admiral of PIE Inc.,
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris (See 'PIE Public' for recruitment)
Honorary Fabricator-General of the Imperial Navy
Chosen by God to serve the Empire.
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1556
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Posted - 2015.01.20 17:18:05 -
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Jennifer Starfall wrote: There is a difference between the soldiers and crews that have answered the clarion call of the cause they believe in, and the slaves being consumed by the monster that is Nauplius. Once again, I'm not sure if you're even capable of understanding the difference.
It looks to me that it is actually you who are unable to see such obvious difference, or you wouldn't spew crap like that. Let me clarify it to you if you still lack capacity to reason it yourself:
Non-combatants are less trained and less prepared for armed conflict, thus alive combatant is more important during war than non-combatant. |
Jaret Victorian
Crystalis Foundation
54
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Posted - 2015.01.20 17:42:46 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Non-combatants are less trained and less prepared for armed conflict, thus alive combatant is more important during war than non-combatant. Diana, you are a soldier. What are you fighting for, in the end? To establish that your culture is predominant. That your culture is the culture to be reckoned with. But who keeps it? Who develops it? Simple people, civilians who cannot protect themselves from usurpers and those who want to consume them (sometimes literally). Soldiers fight for their people, for their cultural heritage and if soldiers abandon those who need them, there would be nothing to fight for. Without their people, soldiers are just husks.
Of course, slavers deserve to be wiped out, but that's a different question.
Bad things should happen to bad people. We find someone not so bad, maybe he'll end up not so dead.
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