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Nauplius Hoi Andrapodistai 285	Posted - 2015.01.03 15:18:35 - [1] - Quote The first De-Minmatarization Tower is now constructed and operational in the Devoid Region. Overview: The De-Minmatarization Tower (based on a Blood Raider design) is staffed by captured and enslaved Science Graduates of Sebiestor origin. Extreme torture and conditioning has persuaded these Science Graduates of the validity of De-Minmatarization and convinced them to participate in the process. At each stage discussed below, the Science Graduates will identify Minmatar parts (genetic, bodily, or cranial) and replace those parts with natural or synthetic non-Minmatar parts. All procedures will be performed without anesthetic, because God is glorified in the agony of the Minmatar as it is destroyed. Instead of operating tables, medical procedures will take place with the subjects strapped to the altar of God. An initial 1000 Slaves (along with the appropriate number of Slavers, Slaver Hounds, and Marines) have been added to the facilty and are now undergoing Genetic De-Minmatarization. As time passes, they will progress through the other stages of De-Minmatarization in turn. The De-Minmatarization Tower contains the following four facilities: Genetic De-Minmatarization: Research from the ongoing Project Heart Ribbon will be employed in removing genetic markers associated with Minmatarness. Body De-Minmatarization: Minmatar-correlated physical characteristics will be reversed by means of cybernetics, organ transplants, and any other available surgical means. Subjects will also be surgically sterilized in order to prevent production of Minmatar offspring. Cranial De-Minmatarization: Portions of the brain exhibiting Minmatarness will be scooped out and replaced with implants. All subjects will be brainwashed with a complete anti-Minmatar conditioning program. Following completion of programming, the remaining brain and implants will be sealed in a tamper-proof case designed to release lethal poison in case anyone attempts to access the brain in order to reverse De-Minmatarization. Ritual De-Minmatarization: Subjects undergo a ritual blood transfusion, symbolically pouring out their Minmatar blood upon the altar of God. Minmatar parts carefully kept from the preceding stages are sacrificed to God with the subject beseeching God for a new soul to replace his Minmatar one. At the end of the ceremony, the subject's chains and collars are removed and he is given manumission from slavery.
Wendrika Hydreiga 221	Posted - 2015.01.03 15:48:07 - [2] - Quote I'm stil compiling data from my test trials Mister Nauplius, but I'll be sure to sent my unredacted data files to your staff! At least you're not actually directly killing people this time. Progress!
Evi Polevhia Pyre Falcon Defence and Security 727	Posted - 2015.01.03 15:52:46 - [3] - Quote War decs in three, two, one...
Samira Kernher Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 1063	Posted - 2015.01.03 15:54:07 - [4] - Quote Wendrika Hydreiga wrote: I'm stil compiling data from my test trials Mister Nauplius, but I'll be sure to sent my unredacted data files to your staff! At least you're not actually directly killing people this time. Progress! If he's cloning them, as your genetic procedure seems to entail, then yes he is and so were you.
Johanes Beaumonte Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 40	Posted - 2015.01.03 15:58:43 - [5] - Quote I am certain it will only be a matter of days, if not hours, that the Minmatar capsuleers "come for their people". puffs on his cigar, blowing copious amounts of smoke and hot air, nodding to himself
Rhiannon Dellacorte Repracor Industries 108	Posted - 2015.01.03 16:12:29 - [6] - Quote If anyone has offensives in the pipeline against this tower, please send me a mail. I'd like to talk. Rules of Acquisition #261 A wealthy man can afford anything except a conscience.
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 1531	Posted - 2015.01.03 16:46:06 - [7] - Quote Mr. Nauplius! Such a waste of resources annoys me greatly. I would like to urge to look for the source of Minmatar problem instead of fixing its appearance. To heal illness you must treat its origin, not symptoms. Please look carefully at minmatars, what they do and how they act. Take for example Lieutenant Kernher, she is smart, intelligent, polite. Honestly, I could never imagine she was a minmatar, and even now most of the time consider her just Imperial citizen without associating her with minmatars. On other hand, take Anabella Rella. She is disrespectful, annoying, trolling, illogical, insane, and just simply stupid. Even if she had different face, for example, of Amarr holder, I would consider her minmatar, because she behaves like minmatar. You see, the real difference is the education and proper upbringing, how literate, polite and intelligent peoples are. You can't treat this by surgical procedures, by changing genome, phenotype (body), brain or rituals. You need to educate them! Please consider stop wasting your money on such towers and better donate them for building of public schools! In schools minmatars could learn mathematics, physics, literacy, history, logic, proper social behavior, scriptures, religion, philosophy, teach them on facts how evil and dangerous freedoms and gallentean medias are, show them truth and teach them to THINK. Strike down minmatar primitive ignorance and gallentean brainwashing by KNOWLEDGE, EDUCATION, FACTS and LOGIC.
Jukko Riis Black Rise Colonial Exploration 36	Posted - 2015.01.03 16:49:00 - [8] - Quote Congratulations on the opening of your new base. What system are you in? I'd like to send a little housewarming present.
Gwen Ikiryo Alexylva Paradox Low-Class 452	Posted - 2015.01.03 17:16:02 - [9] - Quote What in heavens name are you hoping to accomplish with this, Nauplius? The Matari are the most numerous group of ethnicities in the cluster. Multiple tens of thousands more will have been born in the time it takes me to finish typing this message. You are attacking the ocean with a teaspoon. Even giving your cause a thousand times more respect then it deserves, you cannot possibly think this will serve anything other than your own perverse vanity.
Halcyon Ember Repracor Industries 26	Posted - 2015.01.03 17:33:27 - [10] - Quote Although I will avoid engaging in aggressive actions, I would like to offer our support to any efforts and aid in the recovery of any suffering at the hands of this most obscene of criminals.
Eran Mintor Furtherance. 747	Posted - 2015.01.03 17:33:49 - [11] - Quote You tried this twice before and it ended in complete destruction of your assets and retrieval of the slaves by Amarr forces. You're so dumb you think trying a third time will go better. You better have at least put it in hi-sec this time. -Eran
Mizhara Del'thul T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan 120	Posted - 2015.01.03 17:37:05 - [12] - Quote So, will the Imperials clean out the trash in their own house, or will this have to be handled by... "outsiders"? Either way, I'll make sure Ushra'Khan prepares some medical facilities and safe transport, if necessary through neutral third parties.
Evi Polevhia Pyre Falcon Defence and Security 730	Posted - 2015.01.03 17:44:31 - [13] - Quote I wasn't aware he was in anyone's house. I more thought he was a raving lunatic occasionally coming out from under his rock.
Mizhara Del'thul T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan 120	Posted - 2015.01.03 17:52:57 - [14] - Quote Some infestations I don't hold against the homeowner, but they're still in their house.
Samira Kernher Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 1064	Posted - 2015.01.03 17:58:18 - [15] - Quote Mizhara Del'thul wrote: So, will the Imperials clean out the trash in their own house, or will this have to be handled by... "outsiders"? Either way, I'll make sure Ushra'Khan prepares some medical facilities and safe transport, if necessary through neutral third parties. We've been dealing with him for all of last year and destroyed two of his other towers. If you want to actually pick up the slack and do something about it yourselves for once, then by all means.
Mizhara Del'thul T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan 120	Posted - 2015.01.03 18:01:25 - [16] - Quote Why should we be taking out your trash, little kin? We have plenty of Imperials to shoot in our own neck of the woods.
Samira Kernher Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 1065	Posted - 2015.01.03 18:07:28 - [17] - Quote Because it's about the ******* people. If you don't care about them, then don't. We'll handle it, like always.
Mizhara Del'thul T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan 120	Posted - 2015.01.03 18:16:55 - [18] - Quote Yes, it's about the people. The people you allowed into his care, after taking them for yourself. You have admitted quite often that there are cancers in your Empire that should be dealt with, even by your standards. Now, will you take the responsibility or will you pretend it's not there? I am as we speak dealing with your side inflicting these terrors on people even outside your borders. Will you do the same within yours? After all, it'll be less bloody than if we have to crush your navies trying to stop us from taking him on in within your borders.
Nauplius Hoi Andrapodistai 285	Posted - 2015.01.03 18:24:27 - [19] - Quote Gwen Ikiryo wrote: What in heavens name are you hoping to accomplish with this, Nauplius? The Matari are the most numerous group of ethnicities in the cluster. Multiple tens of thousands more will have been born in the time it takes me to finish typing this message. You are attacking the ocean with a teaspoon. Even giving your cause a thousand times more respect then it deserves, you cannot possibly think this will serve anything other than your own perverse vanity. Lady Gwen GÇö The knowledge gained from this initial attempt at De-Minmatarization will enable the process to be scaled up and automated for the next attempt, which will in turn inform the next attempt and so on and so on until one day a Reunited Amarr-Blood Raider Empire-Covenant will operate giant moon-sized De-Minmatarization operations that will finally begin seriously cutting back the infestation of Minmatarness that has so polluted God's creation. Amen. Amarr Victor.
Liam Antolliere University of Caille Gallente Federation 231	Posted - 2015.01.03 18:26:49 - [20] - Quote Monsieur Nauplius, As any attempt at intelligent discourse has proven to be completely wasted on you, I will simply state that I will see you on the battlefield. Should anyone have room for an interceptor or assault frigate pilot during any operations against this tower and its parent corporation and related assets, please let me know. I should make it clear that my primary objective would be in securing the safety and recovery of any of the intended "test subjects" contained therein or enroute thereto. I certainly won't object to scattering a few Hoi Andrapodistai hulls among the stars in the process, however. "Let it never be said that I have not been true to myself and, in so doing, true to those around me."
Mizhara Del'thul T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan 120	Posted - 2015.01.03 18:31:00 - [21] - Quote I can personally ensure the presence of at least two third-party transporters, hired by me, to get any survivors to medical facilities in safe space.
Liuni Kalthis Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies. 155	Posted - 2015.01.03 18:40:55 - [22] - Quote Great, he is being edgy again.
Sanguina Dieudonne Amok. Goonswarm Federation 30	Posted - 2015.01.03 18:48:46 - [23] - Quote For the life of me, I cannot figure out just why you go around broadcasting this sort of thing. The Covenant sure does not. Capsuleer organizations do not. Edit: Side note. There's nothing wrong with the Minmatar! Leave them alone, kill Amarr.
Liuni Kalthis Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies. 156	Posted - 2015.01.03 19:07:44 - [24] - Quote Sanguina Dieudonne wrote: For the life of me, I cannot figure out just why you go around broadcasting this sort of thing. The Covenant sure does not. Capsuleer organizations do not. Edit: Side note. There's nothing wrong with the Minmatar! Leave them alone, kill Amarr. That would be at least understandable.
Spyra Gryra Tash-Murkon Scrap and Salvage 0	Posted - 2015.01.03 19:46:52 - [25] - Quote I have located the tower already.
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 1531	Posted - 2015.01.03 19:51:34 - [26] - Quote Sanguina Dieudonne wrote: For the life of me, I cannot figure out just why you go around broadcasting this sort of thing. The Covenant sure does not. Capsuleer organizations do not. Edit: Side note. There's nothing wrong with the Minmatar! Leave them alone, kill Amarr. There is nothing wrong with Amarr. Leave them alone, kill Gallente.
Claudia Osyn Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies. 1046	Posted - 2015.01.03 19:54:51 - [27] - Quote Spyra Gryra wrote: I have located the tower already. So where did he stick this target? The lack of money is the root of all evil.
Spyra Gryra Tash-Murkon Scrap and Salvage 0	Posted - 2015.01.03 19:58:43 - [28] - Quote Claudia Osyn wrote: Spyra Gryra wrote: I have located the tower already. So where did he stick this target? Sifilar IX - Moon 2. Close-by to the Arzad gate.
Claudia Osyn Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies. 1046	Posted - 2015.01.03 20:09:36 - [29] - Quote Diana Kim wrote: Sanguina Dieudonne wrote: For the life of me, I cannot figure out just why you go around broadcasting this sort of thing. The Covenant sure does not. Capsuleer organizations do not. Edit: Side note. There's nothing wrong with the Minmatar! Leave them alone, kill Amarr. There is nothing wrong with Amarr. Leave them alone, kill Gallente. There is nothing wrong with the Gallente. Leave them alone, Kill Sleepers. The lack of money is the root of all evil.
Rhiannon Dellacorte Repracor Industries 110	Posted - 2015.01.03 20:15:10 - [30] - Quote Who is helping Nauplius? This operation couldn't be done by a single man. It requires willing participants. So who is helping him? Rules of Acquisition #261 A wealthy man can afford anything except a conscience.
Nauplius Hoi Andrapodistai 286	Posted - 2015.01.03 20:37:11 - [31] - Quote Diana Kim wrote: Take for example Lieutenant Kernher, she is smart, intelligent, polite. Honestly, I could never imagine she was a minmatar, and even now most of the time consider her just Imperial citizen without associating her with minmatars. I disagree. While Pilot Kernher presents a professional enough outward appearance, deep inside she is Minmatar to the core. She has desecrated Temples to the Red God and has on multiple occasions conspired with the enemy to free and care for Minmatar slaves. Such Minmatarness can not be removed by simple education alone; it requires the advanced surgical procedures being developed here GÇö procedures that cut deep inside the Minmatar to remove the bad parts and replace them with good parts.
Sanguina Dieudonne Amok. Goonswarm Federation 32	Posted - 2015.01.03 20:50:19 - [32] - Quote Did you at least put guns on it this time?
Spyra Gryra Tash-Murkon Scrap and Salvage 1	Posted - 2015.01.03 20:56:48 - [33] - Quote Sanguina Dieudonne wrote: Did you at least put guns on it this time? No guns.
Liam Antolliere University of Caille Gallente Federation 233	Posted - 2015.01.03 20:57:19 - [34] - Quote Rhiannon Dellacorte wrote: Who is helping Nauplius? This operation couldn't be done by a single man. It requires willing participants. So who is helping him? At a cursory glance? Mlle. Wendrika Hydreiga (participation in Project Heart Ribbon, posted here. Mlle. Calyce Io (Chief Executive Officer of Hoi Andrapodastai) All capsuleer members of said corporation and a potentially large number of non-capsuleer employees of the corporation. I could scrounge up some further information and links if need be, but I suspect interested parties have already done the leg work. "Let it never be said that I have not been true to myself and, in so doing, true to those around me."
Louella Dougans Sovereign Hospitaller Order of Saint Katherine 170	Posted - 2015.01.03 21:05:57 - [35] - Quote Rhiannon Dellacorte wrote: Who is helping Nauplius? This operation couldn't be done by a single man. It requires willing participants. So who is helping him? as I recall, he has a twin brother, Clytoneus or something. Well, brother anyway. If they were twins, then he wouldn't help Nauplius, because you know, there's always an evil twin and a good twin, and I'm fairly sure Nauplius would be the evil twin in that scenario. So umm. Be a Space Nun, it is fun. \o/
Ponder Rouge Affinor American Made Inc. Ushra'Khan 20	Posted - 2015.01.04 00:17:45 - [36] - Quote I feel this is either: 1. A parody of Amarr that has gone so far one can't tell if it's real or not. 2. A nefarious scheme to draw people with souls into some sort of trap. or 3. A bad man who's better off being gently rocked to sleep by the sounds of tearing bulkheads.
Mizhara Del'thul T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan 120	Posted - 2015.01.04 00:39:44 - [37] - Quote So Pyre of all people reinforced the POS. If my tired math isn't too off, it'll be out of reinforced just past 17:00 monday. My offer of hiring neutral third parties to transport survivors to safe locations stand.
Kalaratiri Pyre Falcon Defence and Security 433	Posted - 2015.01.04 01:08:25 - [38] - Quote I'm very grateful to my corpmates for their pro-activeness in this matter, and only wish I could be there myself to see it burn. She's mad but she's magic, there's no lie in her fire. This is possibly one of the worst threads in the history of these forums. -á- CCP Falcon
Deitra Vess Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies. 257	Posted - 2015.01.04 01:14:51 - [39] - Quote At least someone got it, pretty quick from the looks of it.
Jukko Riis Black Rise Colonial Exploration 37	Posted - 2015.01.04 01:27:04 - [40] - Quote Mizhara Del'thul wrote: So Pyre of all people reinforced the POS. If my tired math isn't too off, it'll be out of reinforced just past 17:00 monday. My offer of hiring neutral third parties to transport survivors to safe locations stand. We have a search and rescue ship available. I can even offer employment and housing if they're willing to relocate. Let me know.
Nauplius Hoi Andrapodistai 286	Posted - 2015.01.04 01:32:56 - [41] - Quote The wicked forces of Pyre have assaulted the De-Minmatarization Tower. It will exit reinforcement a few minutes after 17:00 on 2015.01.05. All who dare attack the De-Minmatarization Tower will burn forever in the lowest Hell. Any who stand with the Red God in its defense shall be assured admission to Paradise. Amen. Amarr Victor.
Lunarisse Aspenstar Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 276	Posted - 2015.01.04 02:49:49 - [42] - Quote Nauplius wrote: The wicked forces of Pyre have assaulted the De-Minmatarization Tower. It will exit reinforcement a few minutes after 17:00 on 2015.01.05. All who dare attack the De-Minmatarization Tower will burn forever in the lowest Hell. Any who stand with the Red God in its defense shall be assured admission to Paradise. Amen. Amarr Victor. God has many instruments. I will pray for the destruction of your vile facility. I only hope that some of the victims may be saved. If needed, SFRIM makes available its medical bays should any injured be retrieved and in need of care.
John Revenent Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 338	Posted - 2015.01.04 03:38:45 - [43] - Quote A small contingent of Ishukone-Raata forces will be in position to assist any humanitarian efforts should the need arise. "Holding on to anger is like grasping a hot coal with the intent of throwing it at someone else; you are the one who gets burned."
Tiberious Thessalonia Pyre Falcon Defence and Security 2227	Posted - 2015.01.04 03:40:55 - [44] - Quote I'm getting a whole lot of "We will be happy to aid with the refugess" and not enough "We will help you blow up the bad guy" here.
John Revenent Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 338	Posted - 2015.01.04 04:17:49 - [45] - Quote We will ensure the refugees are handled by the proper authorities. After all we wouldn't want them falling into the wrong hands, hm? "Holding on to anger is like grasping a hot coal with the intent of throwing it at someone else; you are the one who gets burned."
Maria Daphiti In Exile. Imperial Outlaws. 17	Posted - 2015.01.04 04:17:51 - [46] - Quote Tiberious Thessalonia wrote: I'm getting a whole lot of "We will be happy to aid with the refugess" and not enough "We will help you blow up the bad guy" here. I'll help!
Pieter Tuulinen Pyre Falcon Defence and Security 4403	Posted - 2015.01.04 04:46:04 - [47] - Quote John Revenent wrote: We will ensure the refugees are handled by the proper authorities. After all we wouldn't want them falling into the wrong hands, hm? No offence, Revenent-haan, but if you don't have a pilot in the race, you don't get to dictate the results. "You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions." "Only a killer would know that..."
John Revenent Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 338	Posted - 2015.01.04 04:56:51 - [48] - Quote Yes I'm quite sure you would rather hand the refugees over to your Sansha comrades Mr. Tuulinen. We will be there to oversee the transfer is done under the supervision of a reputable organization. Perhaps Lady Aspenstar would be a likely candidate to do such a thing. "Holding on to anger is like grasping a hot coal with the intent of throwing it at someone else; you are the one who gets burned."
Pieter Tuulinen Pyre Falcon Defence and Security 4403	Posted - 2015.01.04 05:30:05 - [49] - Quote John Revenent wrote: Yes I'm quite sure you would rather hand the refugees over to your Sansha comrades Mr. Tuulinen. We will be there to oversee the transfer is done under the supervision of a reputable organization. Perhaps Lady Aspenstar would be a likely candidate to do such a thing. If you knew anything about our organisation, you'd know we don't permit pilots of that affiliation to take prisoners of war during fleet operations. Since you'll apparently be there in numbers sufficient to believe you can compel our behaviour in some way, why don't you get your hands dirty and do some work? "You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions." "Only a killer would know that..."
Liam Antolliere University of Caille Gallente Federation 234	Posted - 2015.01.04 05:38:33 - [50] - Quote Monsieurs please, Let us not lose focus by quarreling amongst ourselves. My appreciation toward PYRE for their swift and effective response. Perhaps it is wise to let each other come to the discussion table away from the prying eyes of the public venue and arrive at a compromise that is mutually agreeable on how to proceed? I realize I've not been involved directly at this point, but an outside perspective can often lead to progress. "Let it never be said that I have not been true to myself and, in so doing, true to those around me."
John Revenent Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 338	Posted - 2015.01.04 06:07:37 - [51] - Quote I know enough about your associates Mr. Tuulinen, while you may be a little naive I do believe you are an honorable individual. The black sheep if you will.. Now perhaps you would like to stop fighting me and insisting on asserting dominance on this matter and listen to Antolliere's suggestion so we may avoid a ego-driven debate. "Holding on to anger is like grasping a hot coal with the intent of throwing it at someone else; you are the one who gets burned."
Tiberious Thessalonia Pyre Falcon Defence and Security 2227	Posted - 2015.01.04 07:08:17 - [52] - Quote Former TS-F pilots will not be taking the rescued pilots anywhere, except to provide basic first aid and possibly prosthesis where this is necessary. We will not be handling them as POW's, and Pyre Falcon is entirely capable of handling the refugees on our own, assuming that there are any left to rescue once the tower is gone. This bickering is useless, but Pieter is right. This is the second time today someone who hasn't volunteered a horse in the race has tried to dictate terms to us. You'll find us reasonable to work with, but we will not have our actions dictated by outside influences who refuse to do any of the actual muscle work. You want a say in what happens to any survivors? Then come help blow the tower out of the sky. End of message.
John Revenent Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 342	Posted - 2015.01.04 07:35:33 - [53] - Quote I think it is fairly obvious why no-one other then a few blind individuals wish to assist known Sansha supporters directly. "Holding on to anger is like grasping a hot coal with the intent of throwing it at someone else; you are the one who gets burned."
Erin Savonarola Viziam Amarr Empire 39	Posted - 2015.01.04 07:43:52 - [54] - Quote While I am not going to be there killing the tower, I will happily compensate Pyre the expense and opportunity profit that enslavement might bring to ensure that these victims of barbarism are transported to planets in the Republic.
Anabella Rella Gradient 1842	Posted - 2015.01.04 08:21:52 - [55] - Quote Diana Kim wrote: There is nothing wrong with Amarr. Leave them alone, kill Gallente. Nothing wrong with them other than the fact that they feel divinely mandated to wipe out all other races and civilizations other than theirs but hey, what's a little genocide amongst allies, huh? We'll see if your attitude changes when the slave transporters land on Saisio, Kim-baka. On topic: Thanks for advertising your latest atrocity facility Naups. It'll likely be destroyed by the time I post this message. When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 1533	Posted - 2015.01.04 11:13:28 - [56] - Quote Anabella Rella wrote: Diana Kim wrote: There is nothing wrong with Amarr. Leave them alone, kill Gallente. Nothing wrong with them other than the fact that they feel divinely mandated to wipe out all other races and civilizations other than theirs but hey, what's a little genocide amongst allies, huh? We'll see if your attitude changes when the slave transporters land on Saisio, Kim-baka. On topic: Thanks for advertising your latest atrocity facility Naups. It'll likely be destroyed by the time I post this message. I see some idiots still can't comprehend that we are in fact allies with the Empire and fight for each other, not against each other, and situation with "slave transporter on Saisio" is just a hallucination of a madwoman.
Kalaratiri Pyre Falcon Defence and Security 433	Posted - 2015.01.04 13:31:52 - [57] - Quote Should my directorate find it acceptable, I would like to take care of any survivors among my people. I will also make the appropriate arrangements to move them out of the warzone to a safer location. After all, Matari should be with Matari. She's mad but she's magic, there's no lie in her fire. This is possibly one of the worst threads in the history of these forums. -á- CCP Falcon
Evi Polevhia Pyre Falcon Defence and Security 733	Posted - 2015.01.04 14:06:57 - [58] - Quote I look forward to taking in the opinion of honest pilots actually interested in helping those people who are on the field. I look forward to mocking impotent armchair generals who try to dictate our actions from the comfort of distant regions.
Elmund Egivand Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 262	Posted - 2015.01.04 14:22:37 - [59] - Quote Evi Polevhia wrote: I look forward to taking in the opinion of honest pilots actually interested in helping those people who are on the field. I look forward to mocking impotent armchair generals who try to dictate our actions from the comfort of distant regions. Kill the knave and mock him on our behalf. We will all appreciate that at least. Would very much love to cobble anyone who insinuates that I am a loyalist in the head with a 125mm calibre Fusion round.
Nauplius Hoi Andrapodistai 287	Posted - 2015.01.04 14:50:11 - [60] - Quote Perhaps this is all a misunderstanding between me and Pyre Falcon Defence and Security. After all, we have so much in common. I share with Pyre Falcon Defence and Security's Sansha members the following two exceptionally unpopular beliefs, beliefs that should cause us to stand together against the masses who oppose them: Rejection of free will. Controlling of slaves by means of brain implants. In fact, I briefly entertained the idea of making the De-Minmatarization Tower a Sansha tower instead of a Blood Raider one. Furthermore, Pyre Falcon Defence and Security is ostensibly on the same side of the faction war as me, and surely PY-RE's time in the warzone has convinced them of the utter filthiness of the Minmatar. Why, then, does the organization fight against De-Minmatarization?
Mizhara Del'thul T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan 121	Posted - 2015.01.04 15:18:00 - [61] - Quote Kalaratiri wrote: Should my directorate find it acceptable, I would like to take care of any survivors among my people. I will also make the appropriate arrangements to move them out of the warzone to a safer location. After all, Matari should be with Matari. You side with Sansha and the Empire. You are even less Matari than I ever was. I would see PIE or CVA take them over someone as vile as you.
Kalaratiri Pyre Falcon Defence and Security 434	Posted - 2015.01.04 15:22:47 - [62] - Quote PYRE is not a Sansha corp, despite the loyalties of several of our members. PYRE is a Kalaakiota aligned mercenary group on contract with the Amarr militia. Each of our members are allowed to hold their own beliefs. I am no longer speaking along the corp line, this is just me now. You (Nauplius) are insane. You are murdering my people. I will see you burn wherever your infestation spreads. I am extremely grateful to the pilots of PYRE who took it upon themselves to attack Nauplius' POS even before I could ask them to. I sincerely wish I could be there to help. She's mad but she's magic, there's no lie in her fire. This is possibly one of the worst threads in the history of these forums. -á- CCP Falcon
Kalaratiri Pyre Falcon Defence and Security 434	Posted - 2015.01.04 15:25:50 - [63] - Quote Mizhara Del'thul wrote: Kalaratiri wrote: Should my directorate find it acceptable, I would like to take care of any survivors among my people. I will also make the appropriate arrangements to move them out of the warzone to a safer location. After all, Matari should be with Matari. You side with Sansha and the Empire. You are even less Matari than I ever was. I would see PIE or CVA take them over someone as vile as you. "It's just business" Do not take my contempt for the Republic and it's methods to mean that I do not still care for my kin. My current employments is intended as.. shock therapy. She's mad but she's magic, there's no lie in her fire. This is possibly one of the worst threads in the history of these forums. -á- CCP Falcon
Solarienne Pyre Falcon Defence and Security 184	Posted - 2015.01.04 15:25:59 - [64] - Quote Kalaratiri wrote: PYRE is not a Sansha corp, despite the loyalties of several of our members. PYRE is a Kalaakiota aligned mercenary group on contract with the Amarr militia. Each of our members are allowed to hold their own beliefs. I am no longer speaking along the corp line, this is just me now. You (Nauplius) are insane. You are murdering my people. I will see you burn wherever your infestation spreads. I am extremely grateful to the pilots of PYRE who took it upon themselves to attack Nauplius' POS even before I could ask them to. I sincerely wish I could be there to help. No problem, corpie. It's pretty easy to take a stand when you only have to stand against a pair of non-functional White Nosie batteries, so its no big deal really. To those trying to crow over the potential survivors of any tower take down - show up and stake a claim. I personally have no stake beyond landing a few shots on the tower if I get the chance, but its pretty blinkered to think you can expect any impact on the poor bastards stuck in those hangars without helping break the prison walls down. _"Pulled from the grime and uncertainty that my life had been, I opened my eyes for the first time and saw in the distance, oh so far away, Utopia. -áMy path may be the broken backs of those who stand against me, but one day, I will stand at the gates and I will be Home." - _Sascha Ishenko; Meditations on Servitude
Mizhara Del'thul T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan 121	Posted - 2015.01.04 15:31:13 - [65] - Quote Kalaratiri wrote: "It's just business" You can say much about the enemies of my people, be they PIE, the Empire, CVA or whoever else threatens my kin. At least they have principles and a cause, misguided as they may be. "It's just business" reveals how little you possess of both.
Kalaratiri Pyre Falcon Defence and Security 435	Posted - 2015.01.04 15:39:28 - [66] - Quote Mizhara Del'thul wrote: Kalaratiri wrote: "It's just business" You can say much about the enemies of my people, be they PIE, the Empire, CVA or whoever else threatens my kin. At least they have principles and a cause, misguided as they may be. "It's just business" reveals how little you possess of both. Thank you for completely ignoring the second half of my post. The business is why PYRE are engaged with the TLF. The principles and the cause are why I am employed with PYRE. But enough. If you wish to stake a claim Del'thul, then show up and try it. She's mad but she's magic, there's no lie in her fire. This is possibly one of the worst threads in the history of these forums. -á- CCP Falcon
Mizhara Del'thul T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan 121	Posted - 2015.01.04 16:00:20 - [67] - Quote I have offered my aid. It is at the very limits of what can be done when dealing with Sansha without hitting a moral and ethical bedrock. If there'd been even the slightest hint of decency in Pyre or yourself, the offer would have been accepted without grandstanding and "staking claim". And any "principle or cause" that makes you side with Sansha are bankrupt by default, and you know it.
Tiberious Thessalonia Pyre Falcon Defence and Security 2229	Posted - 2015.01.04 16:01:50 - [68] - Quote Nauplius wrote: Perhaps this is all a misunderstanding between me and Pyre Falcon Defence and Security. After all, we have so much in common. I share with Pyre Falcon Defence and Security's Sansha members the following two exceptionally unpopular beliefs, beliefs that should cause us to stand together against the masses who oppose them: Rejection of free will. Controlling of slaves by means of brain implants. In fact, I briefly entertained the idea of making the De-Minmatarization Tower a Sansha tower instead of a Blood Raider one. Furthermore, Pyre Falcon Defence and Security is ostensibly on the same side of the faction war as me, and surely PY-RE's time in the warzone has convinced them of the utter filthiness of the Minmatar. Why, then, does the organization fight against De-Minmatarization? I can't speak for the reasons for why the corporation is doing what it is doing - That decision was made at a higher level than I am at. I can tell you why I am personally happy to shoot at your tower: You have not been put through the gauntlet, and since what respect I have for the Sani Sabik faith is predicated upon shared ideas of strength and power, I felt like I had to take it upon myself to become your nemesis and put your claim of being a prophet to the coals of harsh reality. So I am going to burn your tower down, if I can, and then if I have a say in things I will vote for your prisoners to go to my Corpmate Kalaratiri because I have already agreed not to have a hand in how they are processed myself, and she will likely find a place for them and that place might possibly be in the Republic but that does not matter because I am hardly in the Amarr Militia because I am a devoted believer in the cause. I'm here to **** with pod pilots.
Tiberious Thessalonia Pyre Falcon Defence and Security 2229	Posted - 2015.01.04 16:05:53 - [69] - Quote Mizhara Del'thul wrote: I have offered my aid. It is at the very limits of what can be done when dealing with Sansha without hitting a moral and ethical bedrock. If there'd been even the slightest hint of decency in Pyre or yourself, the offer would have been accepted without grandstanding and "staking claim". And any "principle or cause" that makes you side with Sansha are bankrupt by default, and you know it. The help you offered, while the offer itself is appreciated, is not what is needed. However, more guns is always appreciated. Burning a tower is slow work and not much fun for anyone involved, and things that make that go faster are rewarded with increased respect and a seat at the negotiating table when it comes time to determine what to do with the rescued. Any corporation capable of but not passing that small gateway (did you shoot at the tower) will not be considered for such a seat, and in fact if they are making demands or suggestions, will likely be sneered at with contempt because if there is one thing we cannot stand it is people who talk a big game but who have no follow-through.
Deitra Vess Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies. 258	Posted - 2015.01.04 16:38:38 - [70] - Quote Honestly I would go for taking this tower down, however logistically speaking, the only thing I could really get out there would be a Wolf or Interceptor of some sort. I would think Pyre can field a support fleet fine on their own. That's beside the point I could honestly see their guns turned on me after the towers down (doubt it would happen since we would have all been there for the same goal, but its still a thought in the back of my head). I'm not trying to say this is what you should do but wouldn't the survivors going with Kalaratiri be better than them going with PIE or Pyre as a corp? I'd personally rather see Gradient take them or Mizhara getting them transported back to the Republic. At least it would alieviate the fear of them going to Sansha supporters (couldn't see Pyre destroying their reputation by handing them over to Nation honestly), and more than likely they would go back to the Republic with Kalaratiri I would think.....
Katrina Oniseki Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 3401	Posted - 2015.01.04 16:40:15 - [71] - Quote God damn you people are tiresome. Kill the ******* tower, pat yourselves on the back about it, and shut the *** up about it, please. No, I won't be there. No, I don't want/need to be there. No, I don't give a flying *** about those 'slaves', or what you do with them. No, you don't need any help shooting an undefended tower. This is Amarr's problem. Let these 'Imperial Outlaws' deal with it as they please, presumably with lots of imperialing and outlawing. Ch+½j+ì Katrina Oniseki ~ (RDC) Chief Operations Officer ~ [I-RED] Director of Internal Affairs
Tiberious Thessalonia Pyre Falcon Defence and Security 2230	Posted - 2015.01.04 16:41:01 - [72] - Quote Katrina Oniseki wrote: God damn you people are tiresome. Kill the ******* tower, pat yourselves on the back about it, and shut the *** up about it, please. No, I won't be there. No, I don't want/need to be there. No, I don't give a flying *** about those 'slaves', or what you do with them. No, you don't need any help shooting an undefended tower. This is Amarr's problem. Let these 'Imperial Outlaws' deal with it as they please, presumably with lots of imperialing and outlawing. We are no longer part of ILAW. for the record.
Katrina Oniseki Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 3401	Posted - 2015.01.04 16:47:38 - [73] - Quote CCP, ** this *** forum with a giant ***** fuckstick. Please remove this comment. Thanks. ... Love you too. Ch+½j+ì Katrina Oniseki ~ (RDC) Chief Operations Officer ~ [I-RED] Director of Internal Affairs
Mizhara Del'thul T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan 121	Posted - 2015.01.04 16:56:44 - [74] - Quote There is no negotiating table, there are no demands nor diplomatic ventures to put on said table. There is an offer to aid those in need of it. It's been freely given and it is a measure of Pyre's fall from any vestige of honor or principle that these people are to be considered assets to be negotiated over. I am less than impressed by the grandstanding on display. Pyre has been shown more than once that they are outnumbered and outmatched when push comes to shove, so this chestbeating is odd to watch. The offer has been made and rejected, which eliminates at least some potential motivations. Any decent ones, for one.
Eran Mintor Furtherance. 748	Posted - 2015.01.04 17:39:19 - [75] - Quote Mizhara, be quiet, will you? -Eran
Pieter Tuulinen Pyre Falcon Defence and Security 4406	Posted - 2015.01.04 17:55:15 - [76] - Quote Eran Mintor wrote: Mizhara, be quiet, will you? -Eran No, she's clearly constitutionally unable - just as she is constitutionally unable to tell the difference between grandstanding and telling people to stop shouting at us. I'd remind you that Nauplius was the one who advertised the fact that we were involved, obviously for the precise reason of trying to get as many capsuleers from differing factions to show up at the same time in the hopes of causing precisely this kind of charlie-fox. Who knows, perhaps he also enjoys the experience of having half the capsuleers who frequent this facility turning up and incontinently posting gibberish and threats? What's hillarious was that we went fishing for an organisation to perform the second half of this operation precisely to avoid what's happened here and none of you would commit to it, you were either all 'too busy' or else just interested in who might turn up to get ambushed. Those of you who are interested in quietly talking towards the end of getting something achieved rather than just shiptoasting in here, anyway. No. The poor slaves being treated so monstrously will neither be inducted into Nation or sold to the highest bidder as human chattel. Do not mistake the impulse to tell people trying to dictate terms to us to take a long walk off a short docking gantry as anything other than that. I suspect the corporation will find it inconvenient to contribute to this thread any further. "You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions." "Only a killer would know that..."
Jade Blackwind Alexylva Paradox Low-Class 273	Posted - 2015.01.04 18:14:20 - [77] - Quote So what do we have here? An utterly demented Khanid who thinks that he's a Red God's messiah of some sort, puts a free faction tower for the people to shoot at. People shoot at the free tower. Drama ensues. Some former, or not so former, Nation loyalists who are at the same time happen to be Caldari and Amarr loyalists (blame the militia enlistment rules and the fact that eggers are ridiculously hard to permakill for that, I suppose) also shoot the tower, along with some ex-Minmatar who are also ex-Angels and now apparently are into the Sansha-Caldari-Amarr triune because such a great shock (of seeing a single egger switch loyalties at random) would cure the Republic from corruption and whatnot. More drama ensues. And I have still enough Crash and whiskey to last until the tower killmail itself! Woo! I'm really sorry. Bad girl. But I speak truth, and the truth, if applied in lethal doses, can still cure this f-ing world. Probably. Edit: on the other hand, I probably should join PYRE and shoot the tower too, but I doubt they'll accept my humble DPS services and I don't speak Napanii. Hehe
Mizhara Del'thul T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan 122	Posted - 2015.01.04 18:19:28 - [78] - Quote I fail to see where anyone has tried to dictate terms to anyone, other than Tiberious here. We have offered aid, even going so far as to going through neutral third parties to give a degree of safety from violent shenanigans towards you, with no conditions or demands. This has been met with blatant hostility, demands for violent interjection, potentially jeopardizing both our own and any survivors by making ourselves vulnerable to ambush for seemingly no reason other than a desire to create a conflict. And I'd remind you Pieter, that Pyre were the ones advertising the fact that you had done this over the Summit, long before Nauplius posted anything here.
ValentinaDLM Pyre Falcon Defence and Security 556	Posted - 2015.01.04 18:40:48 - [79] - Quote Brutors do it better, why you would want to eradicate what makes any race unique is beyond me. All have their talents all have their uses.
Samira Kernher Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 1068	Posted - 2015.01.04 19:18:49 - [80] - Quote It is so nice to see that the one time someone other than PIE orchestrates an operation against the Butcher's towers, it turns into a public fiasco. The Butcher does not need all of this attention. If you're going to assist in some way, then just do it. If you need to coordinate, then do it directly over private communication channels instead of over a public medium like this. This is ridiculous.
Aldrith Shutaq PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 688	Posted - 2015.01.04 19:30:24 - [81] - Quote And this is why the cluster needs more professionalism. No one has any class any more, I swear!
Mizhara Del'thul T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan 123	Posted - 2015.01.04 19:54:36 - [82] - Quote At this point, I'd take any PIE involvement over the yammering chestbeating from the TS-F exiles. For all your moral failures in regards to human beings, there's at least a semblance of civility and I suspect simple offers of humanitarian aid would have been met with something other than "bring the spaceviolence or gtfo" thing.
Esil Skor Abhorrence. 12	Posted - 2015.01.04 21:22:26 - [83] - Quote It would seem that the only thing that actually matters here is who takes down the tower. By definition, they get to choose what is done with any survivors.
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 1534	Posted - 2015.01.04 22:35:44 - [84] - Quote Incompetence and shortsightedness. This tower could be an excellent bait to lure abolitionist jerks and hotdrop them while they were bashing. And you just burn down assets and kill Nauplius's slaves for nothing, trying to "save" couple of them. Disgusting.
Samira Kernher Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 1074	Posted - 2015.01.04 22:42:36 - [85] - Quote Shove off, Kim.
Eran Mintor Furtherance. 748	Posted - 2015.01.04 22:47:49 - [86] - Quote Ms. Del'thul, You came onto this thread questioning whether the Amarr could handle Nauplius, followed by an offer of transportation in a military operation. They asked for guns and you offer a hauler. I'm sure if they need a hauler they'll let you know, but if that's all you have to offer then I don't understand why you talk so much about what they should do and how they should handle the situation. I'm sure your offer has been noted and will be requested if needed; you need not press the issue further. Now you accuse ex-TS-F members of chest-beating; in what way are they chest-beating? You don't like the way they operate, that's fine. I wasn't a fan of being in the same alliance as some of those toasters but unless I was going to do something about it I kept my mouth shut. At the end of the day, they're getting the job done. Whether they pray to Master Kuvakei or not before they crawl into bed really doesn't matter. Ms. Kim, If the TLF had much of a force left then I could see your point. As things stand, most of their mercenaries seem to be taking a summer vacation in other regions. Taking the tower down is more of a political move than anything else. -Eran
Mizhara Del'thul T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan 123	Posted - 2015.01.04 23:16:54 - [87] - Quote Eran Mintor wrote: Ms. Del'thul, You came onto this thread questioning whether the Amarr could handle Nauplius, followed by an offer of transportation in a military operation. They asked for guns and you offer a hauler. I'm sure if they need a hauler they'll let you know, but if that's all you have to offer then I don't understand why you talk so much about what they should do and how they should handle the situation. I'm sure your offer has been noted and will be requested if needed; you need not press the issue further. A neutral party's transportation, following any potential military action, to ensure transparency and reduce (or even eliminate) the potential for violent altercations over the fate of survivors and those in need. I would think that's quite a good offer, especially given that it is made to enemies. The issue pressed is the manner of refusing this (and other very reasonable offers), indicating ulterior motives. Pyre is quite capable of finishing the job themselves, or I'm sure they wouldn't have started it. Why such an insistence on having hostiles on the field? Why demand putting ships and crew at risk of an ambush by the people who are demonstrably as bad or even worse than Nauplius, holding the fate of these survivors hostage unless this is done? It certainly demonstrates quite well that the fate and well being of those survivors is less important than bringing an enemy fleet to a specific location at a specific time. I'm sure you're quite capable of understanding why this is a rather suspicious demand made with these people held hostage in such a manner. I am quite certain that if I approached Pyre or Outlaws to come help us with the POSes we reinforced lately, it'd be rather suspicious. Holding something hostage if they don't comply with that demand, worse still. Quote: Now you accuse ex-TS-F members of chest-beating; in what way are they chest-beating? You don't like the way they operate, that's fine. I wasn't a fan of being in the same alliance as some of those toasters but unless I was going to do something about it I kept my mouth shut. At the end of the day, they're getting the job done. Whether they pray to Master Kuvakei or not before they crawl into bed really doesn't matter. I am fairly sure I've already gathered more Pyre kills than losses both in isk and numbers to them already, so I've already done my part in "doing something about it". At the end of the day, they might be destroying this POS, but I think we can all agree that there are more to a group of people than one act here and one act there, particularly when the demands they're making is taken into account. Madmen fighting a madman is all well and good, but the blatant hostility towards any humanitarian effort certainly leads to questions about what these Nation lunatics are actually planning to do with the survivors. Given their public and repeated statements on their allegiance and long-term intents, this is not an unreasonable thing to ponder. In short, the TS-F exiles being the quite loquacious face of PY-RE does not exactly engender trust in that entity, their motivations or their claims.
Tiberious Thessalonia Pyre Falcon Defence and Security 2233	Posted - 2015.01.04 23:29:04 - [88] - Quote Actually we can settle this. I am pretty sure that linking killboards is frowned on here, but for your elucidation we have killed 6.5 billion ISK worth of Ushra'Khan ships, while losing 2.5 billion ISK to Ushra'Khan. Not that I am chest beating, but you're now making blatantly false claims and need to return yourself to reality.
Shiva Makoto Pyre Falcon Defence and Security 42	Posted - 2015.01.04 23:30:37 - [89] - Quote GÿÉ Not REKT GÿÉ REKT Gÿæ Tyrannosaurus REKT
Mizhara Del'thul T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan 123	Posted - 2015.01.04 23:57:18 - [90] - Quote Tiberious Thessalonia wrote: Actually we can settle this. I am pretty sure that linking killboards is frowned on here, but for your elucidation we have killed 6.5 billion ISK worth of Ushra'Khan ships, while losing 2.5 billion ISK to Ushra'Khan. Not that I am chest beating, but you're now making blatantly false claims and need to return yourself to reality. Did I mention Ushra'Khan? I was called out personally, and I responded quite accurately on what I have done. I have faced you in combat and I have both destroyed and had ships destroyed in these instances. I have done my part in "doing something", would you not agree? Unless of course you know of any other metric to use, the poor mechanics of the only recording system we have available are what we got. Of course, raising to the childish bait of Mintor was a mistake to begin with, that much I'll grant you.
Desiderya Pyre Falcon Defence and Security 918	Posted - 2015.01.05 00:57:29 - [91] - Quote Concerned capsuleers, After reviewing the dossiers from private conversations and, of course, the awful display in this thread I am disappointed that I have to make this simple announcement: Pyre Falcon Defence and Security is standing down from this matter. I'd like to personally thank the commitement of my fellow pilots who've done the tedious initial work done. Seeing as we have not gotten a professional response in private nor on here we do not see the point in committing anything to this venture, if all we get is mistrust, bile and open hatred even in the face of smashing a joint enemy. Feel free to bicker among yourselves. Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise.
Darc Kaahar The Gaping Maw The Periphery 65	Posted - 2015.01.05 01:10:38 - [92] - Quote Desiderya wrote: Concerned capsuleers, After reviewing the dossiers from private conversations and, of course, the awful display in this thread I am disappointed that I have to make this simple announcement: Pyre Falcon Defence and Security is standing down from this matter. I'd like to personally thank the commitement of my fellow pilots who've done the tedious initial work done. Seeing as we have not gotten a professional response in private nor on here we do not see the point in committing anything to this venture, if all we get is mistrust, bile and open hatred even in the face of smashing a joint enemy. Feel free to bicker among yourselves. Typical cowards. Run like tiny child at first sign of danger.
Deitra Vess Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies. 258	Posted - 2015.01.05 01:18:15 - [93] - Quote Darc Kaahar wrote: Desiderya wrote: Concerned capsuleers, After reviewing the dossiers from private conversations and, of course, the awful display in this thread I am disappointed that I have to make this simple announcement: Pyre Falcon Defence and Security is standing down from this matter. I'd like to personally thank the commitement of my fellow pilots who've done the tedious initial work done. Seeing as we have not gotten a professional response in private nor on here we do not see the point in committing anything to this venture, if all we get is mistrust, bile and open hatred even in the face of smashing a joint enemy. Feel free to bicker among yourselves. Typical cowards. Run like tiny child at first sign of danger. I believe its more so "taking your ball and going home." Well, everyone did seem pretty hostile towards them, still they could have tried to spite everyone, though that's childish as well....
Mizhara Del'thul T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan 123	Posted - 2015.01.05 01:48:11 - [94] - Quote The mistrust, bile and open hatred tends to happen when you fill the corp with Sansha and then let them take care of your public relations.
Deitra Vess Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies. 258	Posted - 2015.01.05 02:03:13 - [95] - Quote If someone else was to take over where you left off and destroy the tower, would Pyre assist them? Or are they put for good? Bear in mind everyone would agree that away from that madman, no matter where, is better than with him. Thus how to take care of the survivors would be dealt with after they are safe.
Samira Kernher Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 1083	Posted - 2015.01.05 02:06:47 - [96] - Quote If anyone wants to take over then they should learn not to talk about it in public like idiots.
Deitra Vess Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies. 258	Posted - 2015.01.05 02:14:21 - [97] - Quote That's the fun thing about hypothetical questions.... they don't mean anything now do they?.
Nauplius Hoi Andrapodistai 287	Posted - 2015.01.05 02:25:09 - [98] - Quote God has sown confusion among his enemies. He will also offer assured admission to Paradise to anyone who defends the De-Minmatarization Tower (location upthread) against whatever does show up at attack it a little after 17:00 today. Amen. Amarr Victor.
Darc Kaahar The Gaping Maw The Periphery 66	Posted - 2015.01.05 02:27:26 - [99] - Quote Nauplius wrote: God has sown confusion among his enemies. He will also offer assured admission to Paradise to anyone who defends the De-Minmatarization Tower (location upthread) against whatever does show up at attack it a little after 17:00 today. Amen. Amarr Victor. My colon is full. I need to evacuate it as soon as possible.
Elmund Egivand Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 263	Posted - 2015.01.05 02:31:35 - [100] - Quote Nauplius wrote: God has sown confusion among his enemies. He will also offer assured admission to Paradise to anyone who defends the De-Minmatarization Tower (location upthread) against whatever does show up at attack it a little after 17:00 today. Amen. Amarr Victor. And your God has sown confusion through a Matari. Think about that. Would very much love to cobble anyone who insinuates that I am a loyalist in the head with a 125mm calibre Fusion round.
Katrina Oniseki Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 3401	Posted - 2015.01.05 03:04:11 - [101] - Quote Come on guys, it was just a simple Mizunderstanding. Ch+½j+ì Katrina Oniseki ~ (RDC) Chief Operations Officer ~ [I-RED] Director of Internal Affairs
Mizhara Del'thul T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan 123	Posted - 2015.01.05 03:05:07 - [102] - Quote What can I say? Miztakes have been made.
Katrina Oniseki Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 3403	Posted - 2015.01.05 03:05:51 - [103] - Quote Don't let this be a Mizzed opportunity. Ch+½j+ì Katrina Oniseki ~ (RDC) Chief Operations Officer ~ [I-RED] Director of Internal Affairs
Aldrith Shutaq PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 694	Posted - 2015.01.05 03:24:10 - [104] - Quote Stop now or I will blow you both up with mizzles.
Evi Polevhia Pyre Falcon Defence and Security 733	Posted - 2015.01.05 03:27:19 - [105] - Quote Deitra Vess wrote: If someone else was to take over where you left off and destroy the tower, would Pyre assist them? Considering the general reaction here, I am quite happy to let people who most assuredly know better what the course of action here should be actually take that action. I obviously cannot be trusted apparently. I take some responsibility for all of this happening the way it did. I was the one who searched Devoid, following up on clues, scouting the area, and provided the Intel to inform our plan of attack. I did it because I despise Nauplius. What he is doing. I personally don't care overly much about the people he is experimenting on, but I would rather they were in the Republic's hands then his. Or mine for that matter, I don't have the facilities or inclination to house however many people he's hoarding. If any of you have the ships and the genitals to kick that sick man's teeth in again, as he so desperately seems to want, have at. Your welcome for putting it in the vulnerable state it is in. I hope you get what you seek out of this mess. If you're gonna Come For Your People, there are few better opportunities than this one. Aldrith Shutaq wrote: Stop now or I will blow you both up with mizzles. Obligatory, and this is why the Empire must be destroyed.
Jennifer Maxwell Crimson Serpent Syndicate Heiian Conglomerate 222	Posted - 2015.01.05 04:35:25 - [106] - Quote My, but some of you love hearing yourself talk. If PYRE wishes, I, on behalf of the Crimson Serpent Syndicate, am willing to hire some if not all of these people, for an agreeable amount of ISK, to cover such things as transportation, medical treatment, possible psychiatric treatment, and unforeseen expenses pertaining to the delivery of these expatriates to a Syndicate owned world or corporate office. I am willing to offer them contracts wherein they can make a life for themselves. I can assure that if they work hard and fair, they will be treated fairly and be paid a regular wage comparable to other expatriates of their general skill level within the State. As soon as they work off their debt, they shall be free to do as they please, be that returning to the Republic, staying employed by the Syndicate, or whatever else their hearts can desire and wallets can afford. Everybody wins.
Elmund Egivand Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 264	Posted - 2015.01.05 05:11:14 - [107] - Quote Now that PYRE apparently decided to sit out of the action, who is taking charge of this clusterfuck? Would very much love to cobble anyone who insinuates that I am a loyalist in the head with a 125mm calibre Fusion round.
Eojek Starlight Moly 36	Posted - 2015.01.05 06:48:02 - [108] - Quote Just a note: What you intend on doing to whatever poor souls you have decided to... improve upon ... is very much in line with what Kuvakei wanted to do to every one of us. We all know how that went.
Elmund Egivand Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 265	Posted - 2015.01.05 07:24:29 - [109] - Quote Save the slaves, THEN bicker about what to do with slaves, why don't you? Would very much love to cobble anyone who insinuates that I am a loyalist in the head with a 125mm calibre Fusion round.
Deceiver's Echo True Resource Acquisition Corporation 38	Posted - 2015.01.05 07:45:55 - [110] - Quote Eojek >>Kuvakei's goals were pure. His methods were cruel. Purity does not always come from fire. In fact, more often than not, it is destroyed by the flames. Sometimes such fire creates a harder edge. The hotter the flame, the sharper that edge becomes. >>The Empires feared what Kuvakei could become. Do I blame them? No. A man with the will to make his dreams reality has the potential to become more than a man, non? >>Look at what is before you. A man, hoping to bring his dream into reality. The question is this; if you reduce him to ash, will he rise up stronger? >>This is a lesson repeated in New Eden far too many times. It is a lesson of human nature. It is a lesson we all should learn. >>It is a lesson the Amarr seem to forget, and a lesson they ignore in their own teachings.
Eran Mintor Furtherance. 756	Posted - 2015.01.05 09:13:08 - [111] - Quote Mizhara Del'thul wrote: Of course, raising to the childish bait of Mintor was a mistake to begin with... Damn. Ow. It certainly wasn't intended as bait, and I am not sure how I feel about you referring to me as childish, though it certainly isn't the worst insult I've received.... As an unintended side-effect you did provide some amusement, however. I ask you why you think people are chest-beating and the first line of your reply is ...."I am fairly sure I've already gathered more Pyre kills than losses both in isk and numbers to them already..." I don't know if it was intended to answer the question with boasting but it did make me laugh never-the-less. With them passing this responsibility onto the larger community, perhaps even along to those who pretend to know better, I cannot say I am disappointed. It was the right thing to do; honestly I wasn't sure what interest PY-RE had in it to begin with. But maybe now we can see what merit this whole charade even has before PIE or someone else takes the reigns. -Eran
Elmund Egivand Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 266	Posted - 2015.01.05 09:14:03 - [112] - Quote So, who's going to kick the tower? Can I join? Would very much love to cobble anyone who insinuates that I am a loyalist in the head with a 125mm calibre Fusion round.
Erica Dusette Isogen 5 28676	Posted - 2015.01.05 10:53:00 - [113] - Quote Congratulations on your new tower, Mr Nauplius. Jack Miton > you be nice or you're sleeping on the couch again! Part-Time Wormhole Pirate pâä Full-Time Supermodel The Endgame \| Wormhole Diaries
Liam Antolliere University of Caille Gallente Federation 236	Posted - 2015.01.05 16:41:09 - [114] - Quote How trite. My offer to assist in whatever capacity I can still stands, regardless of whom is overseeing whatever operation takes place. I am dismayed that we can't get over ourselves long enough to assist others in need, even against a supposedly common enemy. My concern is for the "test subjects" as stated before; as such, I will work with whomever I need to in order to bring them aid. My own mistrust and hostility be damned, there are more important matters to attend to. Something to ponder: If I work with someone to accomplish a goal and that someone betrays my trust and takes advantage of these people rather than lends them aid then I will do all that I can to rectify the situation. Even if I fail and these people are no better off than they were prior, at least I tried to do something rather than dissuade any action because I couldn't get over myself long enough to at least try. "Let it never be said that I have not been true to myself and, in so doing, true to those around me."
Jukko Riis Black Rise Colonial Exploration 38	Posted - 2015.01.05 17:44:38 - [115] - Quote Liam Antolliere wrote: How trite. My offer to assist in whatever capacity I can still stands, regardless of whom is overseeing whatever operation takes place. I am dismayed that we can't get over ourselves long enough to assist others in need, even against a supposedly common enemy. My concern is for the "test subjects" as stated before; as such, I will work with whomever I need to in order to bring them aid. My own mistrust and hostility be damned, there are more important matters to attend to. Something to ponder: If I work with someone to accomplish a goal and that someone betrays my trust and takes advantage of these people rather than lends them aid then I will do all that I can to rectify the situation. Even if I fail and these people are no better off than they were prior, at least I tried to do something rather than dissuade any action because I couldn't get over myself long enough to at least try. While normally I'd be looking to shoot missiles at Mssr. Antolliere, in this instance, I am in complete agreement. BRCE's offer for assistance stands; including our offer of housing and employment. Let me know where, when and what is needed.
Samira Kernher Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 1088	Posted - 2015.01.05 18:41:54 - [116] - Quote Thank you to those that have offered. The survivors have already been recovered, however, and my staff are tending to them now.
Mizhara Del'thul T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan 124	Posted - 2015.01.05 19:53:06 - [117] - Quote I'm not going to claim to speak for Ushra'Khan in this matter, but I suspect most will agree with me when I thank and compliment Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris for finishing the job. While it is a pity that the survivors are in Imperial hands, it is better than many of the alternatives. I can just imagine what'd happen if they'd been handed to whichever Nation, Angel or Gurista that'd be getting their hands on them otherwise. Well done, little kin. Oh, and as I said before elsewhere, you remain welcome to come see things for yourself.
Pieter Tuulinen Pyre Falcon Defence and Security 4409	Posted - 2015.01.05 21:08:37 - [118] - Quote Mizhara Del'thul wrote: I'm not going to claim to speak for Ushra'Khan in this matter, but I suspect most will agree with me when I thank and compliment Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris for finishing the job. While it is a pity that the survivors are in Imperial hands, it is better than many of the alternatives. I can just imagine what'd happen if they'd been handed to whichever Nation, Angel or Gurista that'd be getting their hands on them otherwise. Well done, little kin. Oh, and as I said before elsewhere, you remain welcome to come see things for yourself. They would likely have gone to Gradient, which is where we typically handed over our Republic POWs. "You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions." "Only a killer would know that..."
Kalaratiri Pyre Falcon Defence and Security 440	Posted - 2015.01.05 21:13:08 - [119] - Quote Pieter Tuulinen wrote: Mizhara Del'thul wrote: I'm not going to claim to speak for Ushra'Khan in this matter, but I suspect most will agree with me when I thank and compliment Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris for finishing the job. While it is a pity that the survivors are in Imperial hands, it is better than many of the alternatives. I can just imagine what'd happen if they'd been handed to whichever Nation, Angel or Gurista that'd be getting their hands on them otherwise. Well done, little kin. Oh, and as I said before elsewhere, you remain welcome to come see things for yourself. They would likely have gone to Gradient, which is where we typically handed over our Republic POWs. This was in fact precisely what I intended to do with them, had they come under my protection. I made this clear to my fellow PYRE members from the start. She's mad but she's magic, there's no lie in her fire. This is possibly one of the worst threads in the history of these forums. -á- CCP Falcon
Mizhara Del'thul T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan 124	Posted - 2015.01.05 21:50:49 - [120] - Quote You'll have to forgive us for doubting the word of an Angel entity flying with Sansha in a merc corp flying for the Amarrians with an outspoken grudge against the Republic, especially when rejecting multiple offers of humanitarian aid that would have achieved exactly the same goal.
Aldrith Shutaq PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 698	Posted - 2015.01.05 22:08:01 - [121] - Quote This just in: PYRE makes no sense and thusly no one trusts them. As it turns out, being consistent is advantageous to relations with others. Well done Lt. Kernher.
Kalaratiri Pyre Falcon Defence and Security 441	Posted - 2015.01.05 22:13:14 - [122] - Quote Mizhara Del'thul wrote: You'll have to forgive us for doubting the word of an Angel entity flying with Sansha in a merc corp flying for the Amarrians with an outspoken grudge against the Republic, especially when rejecting multiple offers of humanitarian aid that would have achieved exactly the same goal. I'll forgive you for that. Nothing else though. She's mad but she's magic, there's no lie in her fire. This is possibly one of the worst threads in the history of these forums. -á- CCP Falcon
Pieter Tuulinen Pyre Falcon Defence and Security 4411	Posted - 2015.01.05 22:23:14 - [123] - Quote Aldrith Shutaq wrote: This just in: PYRE makes no sense and thusly no one trusts them. As it turns out, being consistent is advantageous to relations with others. Well done Lt. Kernher. Consistent is certainly a word that can be applied to PIE, yes. "You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions." "Only a killer would know that..."
ValentinaDLM Pyre Falcon Defence and Security 562	Posted - 2015.01.05 22:31:22 - [124] - Quote I find it amusing that one would consider allowing pilots personal freedom to have beliefs and thoughts to be "inconsistent". Honestly, I follow the orders of my commander, and that should be consistent enough for anyone.
Pieter Tuulinen Pyre Falcon Defence and Security 4411	Posted - 2015.01.05 22:45:28 - [125] - Quote Mizhara Del'thul wrote: You'll have to forgive us for doubting the word of an Angel entity flying with Sansha in a merc corp flying for the Amarrians with an outspoken grudge against the Republic, especially when rejecting multiple offers of humanitarian aid that would have achieved exactly the same goal. Do you ever vet what you say? Yes, Kalaratiri is a former Angel, yes some of the pilots she flies with have Sansha sympathies and yes, our corporation has a contract with the 24th IC. An outspoken grudge against the Republic? Pyre is, at heart, a Kaalakiotaa backed corporation. It is based in the State which the Republic is AT WAR WITH. "You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions." "Only a killer would know that..."
Jennifer Starfall Alexylva Paradox Low-Class 0	Posted - 2015.01.05 22:51:29 - [126] - Quote Listen to yourselves! Not just lives, but by some considerations souls, were at stake, and you could not get past your petty bickering! Instead of saving those poor souls, you endangered them. I know that I'm hardly one to call any others to task for their behavior. But if we can't see past our own agendas and differences in order to save innocents from the horrors of madmen, what does that say about us? Samira, I hope that you were able to save them before that monster had her way with them. In either case, you have my deepest and heartfelt thanks for your effort, and please pass them on to those who assisted in the endeavor.
Desiderya Pyre Falcon Defence and Security 919	Posted - 2015.01.05 22:54:48 - [127] - Quote The Tower got reinforced by a PYRE fleet and, earlier, finished by a fleet led by PIE. You've got to ask them what they found inside the wreckage or whether there were any survivors. Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise.
Mizhara Del'thul T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan 124	Posted - 2015.01.05 23:00:44 - [128] - Quote Pieter Tuulinen wrote: Mizhara Del'thul wrote: You'll have to forgive us for doubting the word of an Angel entity flying with Sansha in a merc corp flying for the Amarrians with an outspoken grudge against the Republic, especially when rejecting multiple offers of humanitarian aid that would have achieved exactly the same goal. Do you ever vet what you say? Yes, Kalaratiri is a former Angel, yes some of the pilots she flies with have Sansha sympathies and yes, our corporation has a contract with the 24th IC. An outspoken grudge against the Republic? Pyre is, at heart, a Kaalakiotaa backed corporation. It is based in the State which the Republic is AT WAR WITH. Read the thread. I was referring to the Angel who is publicly outspoken about having a grudge with the Republic.
Jennifer Starfall Alexylva Paradox Low-Class 0	Posted - 2015.01.05 23:01:07 - [129] - Quote Desiderya wrote: The Tower got reinforced by a PYRE fleet and, earlier, finished by a fleet led by PIE. You've got to ask them what they found inside the wreckage or whether there were any survivors. My thanks extend to all of PYRE, especially Evi for the initiative she showed. This is the PYRE that I consider it a point of pride to have served, even for a short time with. I only wish you had been able to rise above and see it through to the end.
Elmund Egivand Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 268	Posted - 2015.01.06 01:43:58 - [130] - Quote Better in Imperial hands than in the confinement quarters of that lunatic No-pliers. I scouted the place earlier that day and had given up the notion of actually sieging the tower, considering that I have no support of any size or description, resigning myself to having to interdict as many of his industrials or whatever for months to come. So, just saying something that hardly any Matari is ever going to say, thank PIE for showing up and making all that unnecessary. Now we can worry about liberating slaves from less malicious hands. Would very much love to cobble anyone who insinuates that I am a loyalist in the head with a 125mm calibre Fusion round.
John Revenent Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 345	Posted - 2015.01.06 02:57:00 - [131] - Quote It is pleasing to hear that Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris coordinated the removal of the structure. As for the destruction of the Ishukone-Raata observer at the hands of PYRE is concerning, but not surprising. A pity. "Holding on to anger is like grasping a hot coal with the intent of throwing it at someone else; you are the one who gets burned."
Pieter Tuulinen Pyre Falcon Defence and Security 4411	Posted - 2015.01.06 07:09:16 - [132] - Quote John Revenent wrote: It is pleasing to hear that Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris coordinated the removal of the structure. As for the destruction of the Ishukone-Raata observer at the hands of PYRE is concerning, but not surprising. A pity. It should be hard to be surprised at something you were specifically warned would be the inevitable conclusion of your own policy. I tried to stop this for a year and, finally, I have failed. I am heartsick at the loss of Ishukone lives. "You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions." "Only a killer would know that..."
Erica Dusette Isogen 5 28727	Posted - 2015.01.06 07:32:36 - [133] - Quote My condolences for the loss of your new tower, Mr Nauplius. Doesn't sound like you had much stront, sir. Better luck next time. Towers are often a labor of love. I've lost towers in the past, I blame Shelby, but they've always risen again. Once all these vultures stop bickering and fighting over your spoils I'm sure you'll rise again too. Jack Miton > you be nice or you're sleeping on the couch again! Part-Time Wormhole Pirate pâä Full-Time Supermodel The Endgame \| Wormhole Diaries
Eran Mintor Furtherance. 757	Posted - 2015.01.06 08:06:07 - [134] - Quote Ms. Dusette, you must not realize that this is Nauplius' third attempt, all of which were low on stront or had no stront to begin with, and little to no defenses present around the tower. So yes, by all means, encourage him to try again. -Eran
Elmund Egivand Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 270	Posted - 2015.01.06 08:07:33 - [135] - Quote Eran Mintor wrote: Ms. Dusette, you must not realize that this is Nauplius' third attempt, all of which were low on stront or had no stront to begin with, and little to no defenses present around the tower. So yes, by all means, encourage him to try again. -Eran So that bored privateer organizations, mercenaries and loyalists can kick it down over and over and over at the expense of who knows how many unlawfully-confined individuals? Would very much love to cobble anyone who insinuates that I am a loyalist in the head with a 125mm calibre Fusion round.
Eran Mintor Furtherance. 757	Posted - 2015.01.06 08:33:52 - [136] - Quote Sarcasm isn't so easily conveyed. -Eran
John Revenent Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 347	Posted - 2015.01.06 08:40:39 - [137] - Quote Pieter Tuulinen wrote: It should be hard to be surprised at something you were specifically warned would be the inevitable conclusion of your own policy. I tried to stop this for a year and, finally, I have failed. I am heartsick at the loss of Ishukone lives. It was inevitable Tuulinen-haan, yes. I would not tarnish my honor, nor integrity by setting our very steep differences aside in order for us to have a working relationship.. While we have been tip-toeing around this for the past year, Ishukone-Raata was never the aggressor. I'd advise you to pin the blame elsewhere. You failed yourself, and your ancestors the moment you threw yourself in with that lot of exiles and criminals. We shall see how long your honor lasts with the company you keep Tuulinen-haan, after all a foundation is only as solid as the land its settled. "Holding on to anger is like grasping a hot coal with the intent of throwing it at someone else; you are the one who gets burned."
Anja Suorsa Pyre Falcon Defence and Security 313	Posted - 2015.01.06 09:17:48 - [138] - Quote Have you tried your hand at comedy? If not, you most certainly should.
Elmund Egivand Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 270	Posted - 2015.01.06 09:39:44 - [139] - Quote Eran Mintor wrote: Sarcasm isn't so easily conveyed. -Eran We are communicating in text. Okay, let's remedy that. Next time we try to convey sarcasm, we should end the sentence with this punctuation mark: (!) Or we can use italics. Would very much love to cobble anyone who insinuates that I am a loyalist in the head with a 125mm calibre Fusion round.
Gwen Ikiryo Alexylva Paradox Low-Class 453	Posted - 2015.01.06 09:41:02 - [140] - Quote ValentinaDLM wrote: I find it amusing that one would consider allowing pilots personal freedom to have beliefs and thoughts to be "inconsistent". Honestly, I follow the orders of my commander, and that should be consistent enough for anyone. It is only my opinion, but I think there is a distinction between tolerating people with differing outlooks, and the inherent conflict of interests in welcoming people who's self-confessed loyalties are directly in opposition to your own self-confessed loyalties. With no disrespect intended, it shouldn't be surprising that it sort of calls both into question. The State is at war with Nation just as much as it is with the Federation, and strongly opposed the activities of all of the quote-unquote pirate factions. By working with self-confessed members and supporters of those factions, Pyre-Falcon is inherently going against the party line somewhat, because it's allowing them to make a legitimate profit off a State organization, even as their "superiors" make a very illegitimate profit at it's expense elsewhere. In other words, it's not a question of following orders, so much as the greater issue of the left hand stabbing at the right. (Of course, Pyre-Falcon has countered this arguement in the past by saying that they can't be loyalists of those factions by definition, because they're fighting for it at the moment, and not them - Essentially removing the individuals from their respective contexts. This is an arguement that works at surface level, but ignores the long term, and if taken to it's logical conclusion can lead to absurd summations, such as the corporation itself being purely loyal to the Amarr Empire rather than the State.)
Erica Dusette Isogen 5 28737	Posted - 2015.01.06 10:03:15 - [141] - Quote Eran Mintor wrote: Ms. Dusette, you must not realize that this is Nauplius' third attempt, all of which were low on stront or had no stront to begin with, and little to no defenses present around the tower. So yes, by all means, encourage him to try again. -Eran I encourage everyone to build their own tower, create their own home for themselves. Preferably in Anoikis. Jack Miton > you be nice or you're sleeping on the couch again! Part-Time Wormhole Pirate pâä Full-Time Supermodel The Endgame \| Wormhole Diaries
Vincent Pryce Pyre Falcon Defence and Security 204	Posted - 2015.01.06 14:56:11 - [142] - Quote John Revenent wrote: Pieter Tuulinen wrote: It should be hard to be surprised at something you were specifically warned would be the inevitable conclusion of your own policy. I tried to stop this for a year and, finally, I have failed. I am heartsick at the loss of Ishukone lives. It was inevitable Tuulinen-haan, yes. I would not tarnish my honor, nor integrity by setting our very steep differences aside in order for us to have a working relationship.. While we have been tip-toeing around this for the past year, Ishukone-Raata was never the aggressor. I'd advise you to pin the blame elsewhere. You failed yourself, and your ancestors the moment you threw yourself in with that lot of exiles and criminals. We shall see how long your honor lasts with the company you keep Tuulinen-haan, after all a foundation is only as solid as the land its settled. It was your organization that first informed Pyre Falcon Defence and Security of negative standings. We reciprocated in kind. Unlike some other capsuleer organizations, we act upon our words. You were warned you were set negative to us. Yet you still venture into our hunting grounds. It is foolish for you to expect mercy where you know there is none. Do not try to tarnish the reputation or honor of Tuulinen-kirjuun. These are the result of events your diplomats set in motion, now deal with the consequences of your actions. Vincent Pryce Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Diplomat Vincent Pryce, Archangel of Asakai
Pieter Tuulinen Pyre Falcon Defence and Security 4411	Posted - 2015.01.06 15:19:05 - [143] - Quote Gwen Ikiryo wrote: ValentinaDLM wrote: I find it amusing that one would consider allowing pilots personal freedom to have beliefs and thoughts to be "inconsistent". Honestly, I follow the orders of my commander, and that should be consistent enough for anyone. It is only my opinion, but I think there is a distinction between tolerating people with differing outlooks, and the inherent conflict of interests in welcoming people who's self-confessed loyalties are directly in opposition to your own self-confessed loyalties. With no disrespect intended, it shouldn't come across as so bizzare that it sort of calls both into question for many people. The State is at war with Nation just as much as it is with the Federation, and strongly opposes the activities of all of the "pirate factions". By working with self-confessed members and supporters of those factions, Pyre-Falcon is inherently going against the party line somewhat, because it's allowing them to make a legitimate profit off a State organization, even as their "superiors" make a very illegitimate profit at it's expense elsewhere. In other words, it's not a question of following orders, so much as the higher level meta-issue of the left hand stabbing at the right. I do not intend to pass judgement; I'm just saying what's probably driving peoples opinions. (Of course, Pyre-Falcon has countered this arguement in the past by saying that they can't presently be loyalists of those factions by definition, because they're fighting for it at the moment, and not them - Essentially removing the individuals from their respective contexts. This is an arguement that works at surface level, but ignores the long term, and if taken to it's logical conclusion can lead to some rather absurd summations, such as the corporation itself being purely loyal to the Amarr Empire rather than the State.) While they're flying with us they are required to shoot a tightly defined subset of the people they would normally be shooting and are working in concert with organisations that have goals aligned with, instead of directly opposed to, two of the four Empires. This is the only part of it that actually does makes sense to me - we have taken people who would normally be a blight upon the stars of New Eden and made them operate as a force for good in their professional lives - no matter what they believe in their heads or get up to in their private lives. The concrete benefits are immediate and provable through the use of simple metrics. If you want to get into ideological and metaphysical discussions then I freely admit that they are still Angels, Sansha, Freebooters or whatever else they were before they left and they still will be on their departure. Many of them are thoroughly vile in their personal habits, vices and opinions. Nobody is saying that Vincent Pryce is no longer an Angel Loyalist - but he isn't flying for the Angels while he's with us. He is obeying our Rules of Engagement and provided your life choices haven't put you in a position to be engaged by us, you are now demonstrably safer. People have laughably discussed what might need to be done to bring the former-TSF pilots back into the fold of polite and civilised society. I am not in the business of 'pie in the sky' and will settle for the fact that we originally achieved stopping TSF from processing State pilots into drones, proceeded through to them only processing Pirate crews and have now achieved them not taking POWs at all. Gwen, you are quite welcome to visit our current FOB and try and do better in a sit-down meeting with your chosen Sansha aligned pilot. I would have thought that the actions of people like Nauplius would have made some sort of an impression. You can't interdict the actions of Capsuleers using the behavioral models we have inherited from our time as baseliners. Capsuleers are mercurial and, once they willingly surrender their need to be part of our society, largely unchained by our laws and morality. Not that I have a great deal of faith in the so-called integrity and honour of other capsuleers. They are far too often used as excuses, in my opinion, for people far too willing to commit evil acts under the cover of some surface-ideology. I will not be party to that kind of failure of leadership or personal ethics. Honour will not feed a starving child or heal a sick person or emply the dispossessed. "You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions." "Only a killer would know that..."
Gwen Ikiryo Alexylva Paradox Low-Class 454	Posted - 2015.01.06 16:41:17 - [144] - Quote Pieter, While your argument is pragmatically and logically sound, it simply doesn't make sense in the context of contemporary political and social norms. Can you really not see that? There's a thought experiment I recall from my college days that I can't quite put my finger on the name of, here - The basic idea, though, was that there's man who commits a theft, and, in the process of trying to escape, trips over a train track at an unlucky moment and gets all his limbs sliced off. Obviously he's aprehended and brought to court since it's not hard to catch a man with no legs, but his defense attorney makes the unusual arguement that since he has been both rendered incapable of not only ever commiting the same crime, but also any sort of meaningful labour of community service to effectively repent from it, he should be released simply on the basis that there's no profit in holding him. Even successful rehabilitation would be pointless, as he's lost all ability to interface with society for both and ill. So, is he prosecuted? The answer (which I'm sure you're already certain of based on your law enforcement background) is yes, despite it making no logical sense when picked at. For the most part due to the notions of "justice" (/vengeance, being an unkind word for the same thing) and "fairness" that have permeated every level of human society since we first figured out how to steal rocks from eachother, or use them to bash heads open. It's a deeply carnal desire, to see people who do wrong, be punished, even when it benefits no one, or even harms you, to do it. And it why you have got - And will likely continue to get - Such a negative response to your corporations actions despite everything you've said being true. Because in most peoples eyes, the rogues gallery presently under your wing shouldn't be entitled to the chance you have given them. They haven't paid for the crimes they've commited, the innocent people they have killed or enabled the killing of. They do not deserve to simply step back into polite society without paying their due, and especially not without repentence. They deserve to be arrested and excecuted, and if these can't be done, at the very least shunned. But by associating with them instead, you are making the statement of, "You don't need to be punished for what you've done". Which is but one small step away from, "You haven't done anything wrong at all", And that, in most peoples eyes, is damning for you. Now, I didn't miss the end of your arguement there; I know you're thinking, "But this kind of attitude can't be applied to something as different as a Capsuleer!" And in many senses I agree with you, though I would say it's possible to make Capsuleers suffer for their actions conventionally, or atleast neutralize them, despite it being difficult. Regardless, you have taken a pragmatic path with largely positive results. But if you expect to defeat countless millenia of human social values with something like pragmatism, you're going to fail. The Empires can get away with treating Capsuleers the way they do because they are a monolithic bloc dealing with another monolithic bloc. But you are not a monolithic bloc. You are a small corporation immediately and directly socially accountable for your every employment decision. And you may be unpleasantly surprised by who, and to what degree, they alienate you from. Of course, all of this is ignoring an entirely seperate arguement I could be making, which is that you're really only looking at all of this in the context of short term gain, which falls apart a bit if you think about it hard. For example, if a Federal pilot signed up for your corporation while loudly publically declaring, "I'm going to use the training I get in this organization to kill as many State civilians as possible when I leave in a year!", I would imagine he would be swiftly shown the door. Yet, this is essentially what most of the Nation loyalists have already said - They've just said it more politely, and with less bluntness.
John Revenent Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 347	Posted - 2015.01.06 16:44:05 - [145] - Quote Vincent Pryce wrote: It was your organization that first informed Pyre Falcon Defence and Security of negative standings. We reciprocated in kind. Unlike some other capsuleer organizations, we act upon our words. You were warned you were set negative to us. Yet you still venture into our hunting grounds. It is foolish for you to expect mercy where you know there is none. Do not try to tarnish the reputation or honor of Tuulinen-kirjuun. These are the result of events your diplomats set in motion, now deal with the consequences of your actions. Vincent Pryce Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Diplomat You bring up the issue of standings as if there is one, it has been recognized that such a event was bound to happen. As for Tuulinen's honor, I don't need to tarnish his reputation, it is people like you that have done that for him. "Holding on to anger is like grasping a hot coal with the intent of throwing it at someone else; you are the one who gets burned."
Makoto Priano Priano Trans-Stellar State Services Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 6537	Posted - 2015.01.06 16:51:46 - [146] - Quote When I was speaking with Lieutenant Kernher this morning, Tuulinen, I expressed worry that this event would spawn the usual, thoroughly circular exchanges that we've seen in the past involving PYRE and its issues with the Sansha. I am, at this stage, unsurprised by what's happened. Let me touch on a few points. In the first place, your wife and CEO, Desiderya Tuulinen, arrived at the site of Nauplius's tower with an interceptor, and a Sansha pilot in a stealth bomber. When the Sansha's stealth bomber first targeted mine, I bounced and cloaked to avoid combat. Lt. Kernher, who had organized the destruction of the installation after PYRE demured, then requested that your wife not engage anyone in the group. Your wife then misread Kernher's request as a request not to shoot the tower, and remained silent when Kernher corrected her. After some ten minutes of remaining cloaked, with your wife at a tactical and Jasmin Soulscream cloaked or elsewhere, I incorrectly assumed that your wife was just there to observe, and got on to the business of assisting our ally in destroying Nauplius's facility. The rest is a matter of record. Clearly, this is Tuulinen's 'life choice,' to support an ally in destroying Nauplius's infrastructure; I very nearly held a gun to his wife's head to force her to engage me. In other words, Pieter, as much as you are sick over the senseless loss of Ishukone lives, your wife very clearly was hunting for me. My mistake was in thinking she'd listen to an ally and your friend, or that she'd not interfere with an operation against a mutual enemy. In the second place, Mr. Price, I-RED has been set -10 by PYRE for, what, a year and a half, now? And while you'd love to use diplomatic sleight of hand to indicate that we initiated this, the first step was PYRE's military coordination with Nation elements, and POW exchanges with TSF. When confronted by this, your old management naturally played the very same cards that PYRE continues to play. Acrimony followed, and Gesakaarin's love of adversarial action resulted in mutual negative standings. I-RED had actually unilaterally reset PYRE to neutral following our relocation to Black Rise, and I had in fact been in negotiation with Tuulinen to use him as a spokesperson for a line of Drink Starsi advertisements when PYRE began recruiting Nation supporters wholesale. We then repeated the cycle. To summarize the second point, the standings are effectively mutual, and in fact the initial cause can be placed at the feet of PYRE. I doubt you can find a way to claim that PYRE's continual collaboration with Sansha is at others' hands. Lastly, Tuulinen, you liken the presence of TSF pilots in PYRE to a penal squadron; you say that they're restrained, muzzled, and that this is an improvement over the alternative. I have to ask: what is it that they gain? Capsuleers are free agents. These Sansha wouldn't be muzzled willingly without something to gain from this. I see no wringing of hands from them, no change of heart, no regret over what crimes they've committed. They continue to wear the uniforms, as we both can very well see. So: what do they gain? And what good is a few weeks', a few months' respite from their depredations? Surely, you've muzzled them for however long they feel like being muzzled, in exchange for-- whatever it is they gain. You cloak this behind others' moral failings, and complain about others using honor and integrity to cover for their misdeeds-- even as you fly alongside Nation supporters, and make excuses for your wife's downing of a State-aligned craft. With apologies, Tuulinen, you're starting to sound the hypocrite. Priano Trans-Stellar: elegant solutions for the State's needs.
Liuni Kalthis Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies. 158	Posted - 2015.01.06 17:53:53 - [147] - Quote Gwen Ikiryo wrote: Pieter, While your argument is logically sound, it simply doesn't make sense in the context of contemporary political and social norms. Can you really not see that? There's a thought experiment I recall from my college days that I can't quite put my finger on the name of, here - The basic idea, though, was that there's man who commits a theft, and, in the process of trying to escape, trips over a train track at an unlucky moment and gets all his limbs sliced off. Obviously he's aprehended and brought to court since it's not hard to catch a man with no legs, but his defense attorney makes the unusual arguement that since he has been both rendered incapable of not only ever commiting the same crime, but also any sort of meaningful labour of community service to effectively repent from it, he should be released simply on the basis that there's no profit in holding him. Even successful rehabilitation would be pointless, as he's lost all ability to interface with society for both and ill. So, is he prosecuted? The answer (which I'm sure you're already certain of based on your law enforcement background) is yes, despite it making no logical sense when picked at. For the most part due to the notions of "justice" (/vengeance, being an unkind word for the same thing) and "fairness" that have permeated every level of human society since we first figured out how to steal rocks from eachother, or use them to bash heads open. It's a deeply carnal desire, to see people who do wrong, be punished, even when it benefits no one, or even harms you, to do it. And it why you have got - And will likely continue to get - Such a negative response to your corporations actions despite everything you've said being true. Because in most peoples eyes (probably including the State authorities), the rogues gallery presently under your wing shouldn't be entitled to the chance you have given them. They haven't paid for the crimes they've commited, the innocent people they have killed or enabled the killing of. They do not deserve to simply step back into polite society without paying their due, and especially not without repentence. They deserve to be arrested and excecuted, and if these can't be done, at the very least shunned. But by associating with them instead, you are making the statement of, "You don't need to be punished for what you've done". Which is but one small step away from, "You haven't done anything wrong at all", And that, in most peoples eyes, is damning for you. Now, I didn't miss the end of your arguement there; I know you're thinking, "But this kind of attitude can't be applied to something as outside conventional human society as a Capsuleer", And in many senses I agree with you, though I would say it's possible to make Capsuleers suffer for their actions conventionally, or atleast neutralize them, despite it being more trouble then it's really worth. Regardless, you have taken a pragmatic path with largely positive results. But, frankly, if you expect to defeat countless millenia of human social values with something like pragmatism, you're going to fail, no matter what the context. The Empires can get away with treating Capsuleers the way they do because they are a monolithic bloc dealing with another monolithic bloc. But you are not a monolithic bloc. You are a small corporation immediately and directly socially accountable for your every employment decision. And you may be unpleasantly surprised by who, and to what degree, they alienate you from. Of course, all of this is ignoring an entirely seperate arguement I could be making, which is that you're really only looking at all of this in the context of short term gain, which falls apart a bit if you think about it hard. For example, if a Federal pilot signed up for your corporation while loudly publically declaring, "I'm going to use the training I get in this organization to kill as many State civilians as possible when I leave in a year!", I would imagine he would be swiftly shown the door. Yet, this is essentially what most of the Nation loyalists have already said - They've just said it more politely, and with less bluntness. Just to reiterate, I'm really not attempting to pass any sort of judgement. I'm just sort of baffled by how confounded you seem by peoples responses. But most of us are, and you pretty much pointed out everything we have said in a neat paragraph form.
Desiderya Pyre Falcon Defence and Security 922	Posted - 2015.01.06 18:33:36 - [148] - Quote TL;DR Someone set someone to -10 and got shot by him. This is a direct consequence of the latest diplomatic exchange that is a little older than a week now, started on the welcome iniative of both sides in order to get back to a status where both entities wouldn't engage each other. Once it reached I-RED leadership it was immediately rebuked and returned with requests that are by all means unreasonable. So nor is it indeed surprising but neither it is a pity. You got what you insisted on. Let's not forget the topic of this thread. If you want to a place to vent your feelings we can make a PY-RE vanity thread where you can do this. Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise.
Makoto Priano Priano Trans-Stellar State Services Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 6540	Posted - 2015.01.06 18:44:44 - [149] - Quote Because, of course, there's not a lengthy history of intransigence and criminality here at all. Fault can never be ascribed to the glorious and honorable Pyre Falcon. Carry on, peasants. Priano Trans-Stellar: elegant solutions for the State's needs.
Liam Antolliere University of Caille Gallente Federation 239	Posted - 2015.01.06 18:49:47 - [150] - Quote I am pleased the overlying matter of the tower and its inhabitants has been seen to in a timely and considerate manner, my thanks to those involved in both the initial attack and the follow up smash-and-grab. "Let it never be said that I have not been true to myself and, in so doing, true to those around me."
Darc Kaahar The Gaping Maw The Periphery 68	Posted - 2015.01.06 18:51:27 - [151] - Quote PYRE are the cool kids you ignorant female dogs. You best bow down or face a swift kick in your eggs. Suckas.
Liuni Kalthis Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies. 159	Posted - 2015.01.06 18:53:17 - [152] - Quote Desiderya wrote: TL;DR Someone set someone to -10 and got shot by him. This is a direct consequence of the latest diplomatic exchange that is a little older than a week now, started on the welcome iniative of both sides in order to get back to a status where both entities wouldn't engage each other. Once it reached I-RED leadership it was immediately rebuked and returned with requests that are by all means unreasonable. So nor is it indeed surprising but neither it is a pity. You got what you insisted on. Let's not forget the topic of this thread. If you want to a place to vent your feelings we can make a PY-RE vanity thread where you can do this. Right, never mind the parties involved have already talked before you had a chance to respond on this to white-wash what you did. Never mind shooting at one of your members before going after the tower according to PIE members. But, what can you expect from a bunch of people who allow Sansha and the like in their ranks with open arms. No better than common pirates; just paid a little more. Honestly, I just expect you lot to be laughed out of the cluster as soon as Amarr begin to lose their 'tiers' in Faction war; once the money stops the people will fight over scraps or leave for their next free meal. Further more, instead of addressing the issue or even better yet stopping like a normal person with common sense you come onto the IGS and feed people with stupid statements and misdirection. Its a good thing you are a decent pilot and never fly alone, or I fear you would just be lost in the crowd and forgotten in history.
Wendrika Hydreiga 228	Posted - 2015.01.06 19:06:31 - [153] - Quote It is me, or does it seem like we're forgetting something? Oh, well... Guess I'll have to sit back and enjoy the anarchy.
Tiberious Thessalonia Pyre Falcon Defence and Security 2241	Posted - 2015.01.06 19:15:19 - [154] - Quote Liuni Kalthis wrote: Desiderya wrote: TL;DR Someone set someone to -10 and got shot by him. This is a direct consequence of the latest diplomatic exchange that is a little older than a week now, started on the welcome iniative of both sides in order to get back to a status where both entities wouldn't engage each other. Once it reached I-RED leadership it was immediately rebuked and returned with requests that are by all means unreasonable. So nor is it indeed surprising but neither it is a pity. You got what you insisted on. Let's not forget the topic of this thread. If you want to a place to vent your feelings we can make a PY-RE vanity thread where you can do this. Right, never mind the parties involved have already talked before you had a chance to respond on this to white-wash what you did. Never mind shooting at one of your members before going after the tower according to PIE members. But, what can you expect from a bunch of people who allow Sansha and the like in their ranks with open arms. No better than common pirates; just paid a little more. Honestly, I just expect you lot to be laughed out of the cluster as soon as Amarr begin to lose their 'tiers' in Faction war; once the money stops the people will fight over scraps or leave for their next free meal. Further more, instead of addressing the issue or even better yet stopping like a normal person with common sense you come onto the IGS and feed people with stupid statements and misdirection. Its a good thing you are a decent pilot and never fly alone, or I fear you would just be lost in the crowd and forgotten in history. I am confused by this. Could you restructure this? I am not sure whom you believe we shot if you believe that Desiderya took a shot at one of our own?
Makoto Priano Priano Trans-Stellar State Services Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 6541	Posted - 2015.01.06 19:29:40 - [155] - Quote I believe, Pilot Thessalonia, that Ms. Kalthis is referring to the fact that PYRE claims to be a Kaalakiota-supported PMC, while I-RED is an Ishukone-affiliated corporation operating in the Caldari militia in Black Rise. In theory, Ms. Tuulinen is a State loyalist, and shot another State loyalist; ergo, she shot one of her own. Priano Trans-Stellar: elegant solutions for the State's needs.
Anja Suorsa Pyre Falcon Defence and Security 316	Posted - 2015.01.06 19:51:36 - [156] - Quote Kind of you to place your recognition on public record of our place as a State loyal organisation. Perhaps now that this first hurdle is conquered, we can move on past your insistence that Pyre Falcon conform to your, oh so very high, standards.
Tiberious Thessalonia Pyre Falcon Defence and Security 2241	Posted - 2015.01.06 20:13:59 - [157] - Quote Makoto Priano wrote: I believe, Pilot Thessalonia, that Ms. Kalthis is referring to the fact that PYRE claims to be a Kaalakiota-supported PMC, while I-RED is an Ishukone-affiliated corporation operating in the Caldari militia in Black Rise. In theory, Ms. Tuulinen is a State loyalist, and shot another State loyalist; ergo, she shot one of her own. Talked to her about it. Apparently there was a rumour going around that we awoxed one of our own members. This is not the case, as it was a misunderstanding based on the events of yesterday.
Mizhara Del'thul T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan 126	Posted - 2015.01.06 20:36:54 - [158] - Quote Vincent Pryce wrote: John Revenent wrote: Pieter Tuulinen wrote: It should be hard to be surprised at something you were specifically warned would be the inevitable conclusion of your own policy. I tried to stop this for a year and, finally, I have failed. I am heartsick at the loss of Ishukone lives. It was inevitable Tuulinen-haan, yes. I would not tarnish my honor, nor integrity by setting our very steep differences aside in order for us to have a working relationship.. While we have been tip-toeing around this for the past year, Ishukone-Raata was never the aggressor. I'd advise you to pin the blame elsewhere. You failed yourself, and your ancestors the moment you threw yourself in with that lot of exiles and criminals. We shall see how long your honor lasts with the company you keep Tuulinen-haan, after all a foundation is only as solid as the land its settled. It was your organization that first informed Pyre Falcon Defence and Security of negative standings. We reciprocated in kind. Unlike some other capsuleer organizations, we act upon our words. You were warned you were set negative to us. Yet you still venture into our hunting grounds. It is foolish for you to expect mercy where you know there is none. Do not try to tarnish the reputation or honor of Tuulinen-kirjuun. These are the result of events your diplomats set in motion, now deal with the consequences of your actions. Vincent Pryce Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Diplomat Wait wait wait, you ask for martial forces from people all over the New Eden, several of which are actively at war with you and not merely -5, then when a -5 (that is quite demonstrably going up against an enemy, no threat and nominally a damn closer ally to an ostensibly Caldari outfit) shows up you shoot it. I'd make some sort of snark here but frankly you're just fulfilling everyone's expectations here and proving everyone right in not trusting anything coming from that direction.
Evi Polevhia Pyre Falcon Defence and Security 744	Posted - 2015.01.06 20:51:46 - [159] - Quote Everyone very publicly declined to show up in combat ships as allies. The only conclusion to draw when they show up in combat ships is that they are not allies.
Claudia Osyn Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies. 1048	Posted - 2015.01.06 20:57:02 - [160] - Quote So, basicly, Naups wins this round on account of causing drama. The lack of money is the root of all evil.
Kyoko Sakoda Pyre Falcon Defence and Security 192	Posted - 2015.01.06 21:21:07 - [161] - Quote Over a cheap frigate no less.
Kalaratiri Pyre Falcon Defence and Security 443	Posted - 2015.01.06 21:45:55 - [162] - Quote Liuni Kalthis wrote: Honestly, I just expect you lot to be laughed out of the cluster as soon as Amarr begin to lose their 'tiers' in Faction war; once the money stops the people will fight over scraps or leave for their next free meal. We are actually spectacularly bad at making isk. We tried to run the 24th's missions. Twice. It went... well, it went. She's mad but she's magic, there's no lie in her fire. This is possibly one of the worst threads in the history of these forums. -á- CCP Falcon
Mizhara Del'thul T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan 126	Posted - 2015.01.06 21:52:03 - [163] - Quote Unpaid mercs, huh?
Evi Polevhia Pyre Falcon Defence and Security 745	Posted - 2015.01.06 21:57:04 - [164] - Quote Quite well paid. Kala's just bad.
Mitara Newelle PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 198	Posted - 2015.01.06 22:11:35 - [165] - Quote Evi Polevhia wrote: Everyone very publicly declined to show up in combat ships as allies. The only conclusion to draw when they show up in combat ships is that they are not allies. Except that 1st Lt Kernher had informed PYRE that Admiral Priano was there to assist in destroying the tower and was in her fleet.
Desiderya Pyre Falcon Defence and Security 926	Posted - 2015.01.06 22:28:28 - [166] - Quote Official channels, such as diplomats, are there for a reason. Stay professional and use them. Else you risk looking like school girls looking for the latest gossip to spice up your afternoon. Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise.
Samira Kernher Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 1097	Posted - 2015.01.06 22:42:34 - [167] - Quote Pyre has no legitimate diplomats to speak to, as your corporate description indicates that you have apparently decided that Sansha's Nation and Angel Cartel loyalists are the most appropriate representatives for your corporation.
Anja Suorsa Pyre Falcon Defence and Security 318	Posted - 2015.01.06 22:46:01 - [168] - Quote The rest of us have other jobs within the corporation. Suck it up.
Darc Kaahar The Gaping Maw The Periphery 71	Posted - 2015.01.06 23:11:17 - [169] - Quote Anja Suorsa wrote: The rest of us have other jobs within the corporation. Suck it up. What is your job? Is it ingesting the *****? Do not suck it up, let it out in toilet. Go to toilet bowl with spoon, mmm dinner is served.
Anja Suorsa Pyre Falcon Defence and Security 318	Posted - 2015.01.06 23:16:17 - [170] - Quote I trust you'd know all about eating from toilets, dear boy. Now, go and sit over there, the adults are talking.
Literia Death By Design Did he say Jump 14	Posted - 2015.01.06 23:17:06 - [171] - Quote Desiderya wrote: Official channels, such as diplomats, are there for a reason. Stay professional and use them. Else you risk looking like school girls looking for the latest gossip to spice up your afternoon. And they don't already?
Katrina Oniseki Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 3403	Posted - 2015.01.07 00:01:22 - [172] - Quote I am so glad this thread isn't part of my job description anymore. I really don't have anything nice to say besides that, so I'll end my post here. Ch+½j+ì Katrina Oniseki ~ (RDC) Chief Operations Officer ~ [I-RED] Director of Internal Affairs
Darc Kaahar The Gaping Maw The Periphery 72	Posted - 2015.01.07 00:19:01 - [173] - Quote Katrina Oniseki wrote: I am so glad this thread isn't part of my job description anymore. I really don't have anything nice to say besides that, so I'll end my post here. This thread in particular was part of your job description? That's right wacky, that is.
Jade Blackwind Alexylva Paradox Low-Class 275	Posted - 2015.01.07 00:19:15 - [174] - Quote Claudia Osyn wrote: So, basicly, Naups wins this round on account of causing drama. Points certainly go to Nauplius for causing this trainwreck, even if all he did is to put up a tower.
Evi Polevhia Pyre Falcon Defence and Security 746	Posted - 2015.01.07 00:20:38 - [175] - Quote Samira Kernher wrote: Pyre has no legitimate diplomats to speak to, as your corporate description indicates that you have apparently decided that Sansha's Nation and Angel Cartel loyalists are the most appropriate representatives for your corporation. Ignoring someone's role doesn't make them go away.
Darc Kaahar The Gaping Maw The Periphery 72	Posted - 2015.01.07 00:39:45 - [176] - Quote PYRE are actually the good guys here. They took the initiative and reinforced the tower while cowards talked a good game from a safe distance. Later, they just smoked some candy-ass IRED pilot, who was set to negative standings. What do IRED expect?
Makoto Priano Priano Trans-Stellar State Services Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 6544	Posted - 2015.01.07 01:00:15 - [177] - Quote As the candy-ass, it might be slightly more complicated than that. For instance, the whole part-of-the-fleet-finishing-the-job thing. Priano Trans-Stellar: elegant solutions for the State's needs.
Claudia Osyn Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies. 1051	Posted - 2015.01.07 01:01:32 - [178] - Quote Jade Blackwind wrote: Claudia Osyn wrote: So, basicly, Naups wins this round on account of causing drama. Points certainly go to Nauplius for causing this trainwreck, even if all he did is to put up a tower. He knew what he was starting. Nobody is stupid enough to announce a tower going up when they're hated by the whole of the cluster, and then leave it undefended to boot. The lack of money is the root of all evil.
Makoto Priano Priano Trans-Stellar State Services Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 6544	Posted - 2015.01.07 01:06:15 - [179] - Quote Ms. Osyn; that's the thing that strikes me about these. Having put up a few towers, myself, I know it's not too difficult to set up a defense that will deter casual interference. In this case, only a single ECM array had been set online. The lone hardener, the other ECM array-- offline. It's laughable. Priano Trans-Stellar: elegant solutions for the State's needs.
Claudia Osyn Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies. 1052	Posted - 2015.01.07 01:12:52 - [180] - Quote Makoto Priano wrote: Ms. Osyn; that's the thing that strikes me about these. Having put up a few towers, myself, I know it's not too difficult to set up a defense that will deter casual interference. In this case, only a single ECM array had been set online. The lone hardener, the other ECM array-- offline. It's laughable. I believe the point wasn't to defend the tower, just put it there so as to cause conflict. The tower itself was a troll to insight an escalation in conflict. It seems to have worked.... The lack of money is the root of all evil.
Nauplius Hoi Andrapodistai 290	Posted - 2015.01.07 01:21:29 - [181] - Quote Makoto Priano wrote: Ms. Osyn; that's the thing that strikes me about these. Having put up a few towers, myself, I know it's not too difficult to set up a defense that will deter casual interference. In this case, only a single ECM array had been set online. The lone hardener, the other ECM array-- offline. It's laughable. Molok the Deceiver keeps confounding my starbase setups. Even the greatest prophets of God (such as myself) have some flaw, some foil, something that prevents them from achieving too much perfection. It is God's way of keeping even his most Chosen of servants from becoming too proud.
Elmund Egivand Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 270	Posted - 2015.01.07 01:32:19 - [182] - Quote Nauplius wrote: Makoto Priano wrote: Ms. Osyn; that's the thing that strikes me about these. Having put up a few towers, myself, I know it's not too difficult to set up a defense that will deter casual interference. In this case, only a single ECM array had been set online. The lone hardener, the other ECM array-- offline. It's laughable. Molok the Deceiver keeps confounding my starbase setups. Even the greatest prophets of God (such as myself) have some flaw, some foil, something that prevents them from achieving too much perfection. It is God's way of keeping even his most Chosen of servants from becoming too proud. Have you considered...defense weapons? I am very sure the Red God does not appreciate being treated as a sword or a shield. Or a giant gun. Would very much love to cobble anyone who insinuates that I am a loyalist in the head with a 125mm calibre Fusion round.
Katrina Oniseki Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 3405	Posted - 2015.01.07 01:36:52 - [183] - Quote Darc Kaahar wrote: Katrina Oniseki wrote: I am so glad this thread isn't part of my job description anymore. I really don't have anything nice to say besides that, so I'll end my post here. This thread in particular was part of your job description? That's right wacky, that is. No I mean Priano's job. Which used to be my job. Which sucked. Makoto Priano wrote: As the candy-ass, it might be slightly more complicated than that. You do have a candy ass though. Internal Affairs, signing off! Ch+½j+ì Katrina Oniseki ~ (RDC) Chief Operations Officer ~ [I-RED] Director of Internal Affairs
Nauplius Hoi Andrapodistai 290	Posted - 2015.01.07 01:46:55 - [184] - Quote Elmund Egivand wrote: Nauplius wrote: Makoto Priano wrote: Ms. Osyn; that's the thing that strikes me about these. Having put up a few towers, myself, I know it's not too difficult to set up a defense that will deter casual interference. In this case, only a single ECM array had been set online. The lone hardener, the other ECM array-- offline. It's laughable. Molok the Deceiver keeps confounding my starbase setups. Even the greatest prophets of God (such as myself) have some flaw, some foil, something that prevents them from achieving too much perfection. It is God's way of keeping even his most Chosen of servants from becoming too proud. Have you considered...defense weapons? I am very sure the Red God does not appreciate being treated as a sword or a shield. Or a giant gun. Do consider, however, that my Temples and De-Minmatarization Tower had need for a number of converted hangers to serve as ritual places, torture chambers, slaver hound kennels, surgery rooms, and so on. Standard tower fits do not necessarily have a need for as much storage as I do.
Evi Polevhia Pyre Falcon Defence and Security 746	Posted - 2015.01.07 02:14:35 - [185] - Quote For the record he had two Online White Noise jammers. Due to how few ships we had, even one getting jammed out would be a significant hindrance. So we took the one on the North end out. By the time it was incapacitated, we realized the South one never targeted us, so we left it alone. That's why there was only one functional one when PIE et al showed up.
Elmund Egivand Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 270	Posted - 2015.01.07 02:51:25 - [186] - Quote Evi Polevhia wrote: For the record he had two Online White Noise jammers. Due to how few ships we had, even one getting jammed out would be a significant hindrance. So we took the one on the North end out. By the time it was incapacitated, we realized the South one never targeted us, so we left it alone. That's why there was only one functional one when PIE et al showed up. Yeah, I saw those, though last I recall there were two of those. The tower was till reinforced at the time though. Would very much love to cobble anyone who insinuates that I am a loyalist in the head with a 125mm calibre Fusion round.
Claudia Osyn Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies. 1053	Posted - 2015.01.07 03:06:12 - [187] - Quote I take back what I said about this being a ruse to escalate conflict, apparently naups just sucks that much. I was wrong for overestimating his ability, and I'm sorry for that. The lack of money is the root of all evil.
Gwen Ikiryo Alexylva Paradox Low-Class 458	Posted - 2015.01.07 03:12:34 - [188] - Quote Desiderya wrote: TL;DR Someone set someone to -10 and got shot by him. You, uh, might want to make a quick editing pass there, Mrs Tuulinen.
Elmund Egivand Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 270	Posted - 2015.01.07 03:38:20 - [189] - Quote Claudia Osyn wrote: I take back what I said about this being a ruse to escalate conflict, apparently naups just sucks that much. I was wrong for overestimating his ability, and I'm sorry for that. Never attribute to malice what can be attributed to stupidity. Would very much love to cobble anyone who insinuates that I am a loyalist in the head with a 125mm calibre Fusion round.
Desiderya Pyre Falcon Defence and Security 928	Posted - 2015.01.07 11:33:35 - [190] - Quote Gwen Ikiryo wrote: Desiderya wrote: TL;DR Someone set someone to -10 and got shot by him. You, uh, might want to make a quick editing pass there, Mrs Tuulinen. Because you are unable to realize that this was written in a general sense to emphasize the normality of actions like this have in this universe? Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise.
Gwen Ikiryo Alexylva Paradox Low-Class 459	Posted - 2015.01.07 12:02:07 - [191] - Quote Desiderya wrote: Gwen Ikiryo wrote: Desiderya wrote: TL;DR Someone set someone to -10 and got shot by him. You, uh, might want to make a quick editing pass there, Mrs Tuulinen. Because you are unable to realize that this was written in a general sense to emphasize the normality of actions like this in this universe? I would think "them" would be more applicable in such a context, ma'am. But I was only pointing it out to you. I'll remove my post if you're embarassed, or think I'm being a pedant.
Vincent Pryce Pyre Falcon Defence and Security 208	Posted - 2015.01.07 15:00:12 - [192] - Quote Mizhara Del'thul wrote: Wait wait wait, you ask for martial forces from people all over the New Eden, several of which are actively at war with you and not merely -5, then when a -5 (that is quite demonstrably going up against an enemy, no threat and nominally a damn closer ally to an ostensibly Caldari outfit) shows up you shoot it. I'd make some sort of snark here but frankly you're just fulfilling everyone's expectations here and proving everyone right in not trusting anything coming from that direction. There's quite a lot of assumptions in your post, about great many things you know very little about. A lesson in reading comprehension would have not been a bad idea when you were still in shackles. Run along now before you make more of a fool out of yourself, slave girl. Vincent Pryce, Archangel of Asakai
Mizhara Del'thul T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan 127	Posted - 2015.01.07 15:33:12 - [193] - Quote How super edgy. Then again, I suppose that's Pyre in a nutshell.
Evi Polevhia Pyre Falcon Defence and Security 747	Posted - 2015.01.07 15:37:14 - [194] - Quote Mizhara Del'thul wrote: How super edgy. Then again, I suppose that's Pyre in a nutshell. One day we aspire to be as edgy as Naup. Until then we just flail torps in his general direction.
Kalaratiri Pyre Falcon Defence and Security 443	Posted - 2015.01.07 16:30:10 - [195] - Quote Edges are inferior to curves. She's mad but she's magic, there's no lie in her fire. This is possibly one of the worst threads in the history of these forums. -á- CCP Falcon
Desiderya Pyre Falcon Defence and Security 929	Posted - 2015.01.07 16:42:36 - [196] - Quote Gwen Ikiryo wrote: Desiderya wrote: Gwen Ikiryo wrote: Desiderya wrote: TL;DR Someone set someone to -10 and got shot by him. You, uh, might want to make a quick editing pass there, Mrs Tuulinen. Because you are unable to realize that this was written in a general sense to emphasize the normality of actions like this in this universe? I would think "them" would be more applicable in such a context, ma'am. But I was only pointing it out to you. I'll remove my post if you're embarassed, or think I'm being a pedant. Why, you'll look like an accurate little girl and I look like someone who may have made a typo. You need all the help you can get, so leave it be. Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise.
Pieter Tuulinen Pyre Falcon Defence and Security 4414	Posted - 2015.01.07 17:49:15 - [197] - Quote Kalaratiri wrote: Edges are inferior to curves. I have always preferred curves myself, too. "You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions." "Only a killer would know that..."
Pieter Tuulinen Pyre Falcon Defence and Security 4414	Posted - 2015.01.07 17:50:06 - [198] - Quote Mizhara Del'thul wrote: How super edgy. Then again, I suppose that's Pyre in a nutshell. Oh, darling girl... You do realise how ironic that is? "You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions." "Only a killer would know that..."
Kalaratiri Pyre Falcon Defence and Security 445	Posted - 2015.01.07 18:04:12 - [199] - Quote Pieter Tuulinen wrote: Kalaratiri wrote: Edges are inferior to curves. I have always preferred curves myself, too. They are much easier to get a handle on. She's mad but she's magic, there's no lie in her fire. This is possibly one of the worst threads in the history of these forums. -á- CCP Falcon
Desiderya Pyre Falcon Defence and Security 929	Posted - 2015.01.07 18:39:44 - [200] - Quote Maybe, but when it comes to curves I prefer a straight derivative. Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise.
Darc Kaahar The Gaping Maw The Periphery 82	Posted - 2015.01.07 20:46:44 - [201] - Quote Just a tip for all you people who don't like PY-RE, instead of correcting their grammar and getting in your pathetic little jibes, you could try shooting them in space. Just tell them to ingest your **** and shoot them down. I bet not one of you bumblefuck idiots could manage that. Sorry, I feel passionate about this for some reason.
Kalaratiri Pyre Falcon Defence and Security 445	Posted - 2015.01.07 20:51:00 - [202] - Quote Darc Kaahar wrote: bumblefuck. One of the more creative ways of bypassing the profanity filter I've seen. She's mad but she's magic, there's no lie in her fire. This is possibly one of the worst threads in the history of these forums. -á- CCP Falcon
Pieter Tuulinen Pyre Falcon Defence and Security 4416	Posted - 2015.01.07 21:35:32 - [203] - Quote Desiderya wrote: Maybe, but when it comes to curves I prefer a straight derivative. Far be it from me to question your preferences. "You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions." "Only a killer would know that..."
Claudia Osyn Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies. 1053	Posted - 2015.01.07 21:44:43 - [204] - Quote Kalaratiri wrote: Darc Kaahar wrote: bumblefuck. One of the more creative ways of bypassing the profanity filter I've seen. I hereby summon my ISD minions to come remove this affront to the laws of my forum. Circumventing the almighty profanity filter is an offence against the Great Goddess of the IGS, Claudia. The lack of money is the root of all evil.
Evi Polevhia Pyre Falcon Defence and Security 749	Posted - 2015.01.07 22:03:42 - [205] - Quote Claudia Osyn wrote: ... the Great Goddess of the IGS... Can't call yourself that. Pretty sure Vaari already claimed it.
Deitra Vess Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies. 258	Posted - 2015.01.07 22:14:44 - [206] - Quote She claimed to be Kuvakei in another thread, are you going against your leader's word?
Evi Polevhia Pyre Falcon Defence and Security 749	Posted - 2015.01.07 22:23:36 - [207] - Quote Deitra Vess wrote: She claimed to be Kuvakei in another thread, are you going against your leader's word? That can of worms is for another thread.
Kalaratiri Pyre Falcon Defence and Security 446	Posted - 2015.01.07 22:33:39 - [208] - Quote Honestly, Darc defending PYRE is probably the most unlikely result of this thread imaginable. He has a well established hate boner for us. She's mad but she's magic, there's no lie in her fire. This is possibly one of the worst threads in the history of these forums. -á- CCP Falcon
Elmund Egivand Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 273	Posted - 2015.01.08 01:53:01 - [209] - Quote When will the wardecs start? Would very much love to cobble anyone who insinuates that I am a loyalist in the head with a 125mm calibre Fusion round.
Gwen Ikiryo Alexylva Paradox Low-Class 459	Posted - 2015.01.08 04:49:51 - [210] - Quote Darc Kaahar wrote: Just a tip for all you people who don't like PY-RE, instead of correcting their grammar and getting in your pathetic little jibes, you could try shooting them in space. Just tell them to ingest your **** and shoot them down. I bet not one of you bumblefuck idiots could manage that. Sorry, I feel passionate about this for some reason. Not everything is a fight or a contest, you know, mister Kaahar. You can poke fun at someone lightly without despising (Or even disliking) them and wanting to rip their guts out, or as part of some kind of ridiculous grassroots plan to discredit them or score social points.
Desiderya Pyre Falcon Defence and Security 929	Posted - 2015.01.08 16:19:27 - [211] - Quote Elmund Egivand wrote: When will the wardecs start? Never? Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise.
Claudia Osyn Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies. 1055	Posted - 2015.01.08 18:19:25 - [212] - Quote Evi Polevhia wrote: Claudia Osyn wrote: ... the Great Goddess of the IGS... Can't call yourself that. Pretty sure Vaari already claimed it. I haven't seen it in his title list, so I'm claiming it. The lack of money is the root of all evil.
Jandice Ymladris Aurora Arcology 1220	Posted - 2015.01.08 20:33:15 - [213] - Quote As I was absent at the start of the year due to circumstances beyond my control. I was unable to report on this till recently: Capsuleers deal a serious blow to 'De-Minmatarization' - program! This report will see updates as more information is gathered. Anyone who wishes to share images he/she took during the attacks, you can mail or contact me! On the attack itself, good to see people are vigilant as ever to stop Nauplius & his atrocious treatment of his minmatar slaves. Congrats for Pyre on their swift action to reinforce the tower so soon, and to the PIE fleet & supporters to finish it off. It's a shame to see so much bickering in this thread however. While the Pyre Falcon corporation is far from controverse-free, a bit more support for their swift action to bring the tower in reinforced mode wouldn't gone amiss. I understand they have quite some malicious capsuleers in their ranks, so caution is advised & needed when dealing with Pyre Falcon, but do remember, that the world isn't black & white, but rather shades of grey. Lucky, PIE did finish the job, once again. So far, PIE has been involved in almost all battles against Nauplius' towers, save one fight (the one that put this tower in reinforced mode). Indeed, the one organisation accused of slavery & maltreating slaves is the one that is the main factor in halting Nauplius. Perhaps a wake-up call for others to rise up and take the forefront in halting the terror spread by this false prophet. Concerning the rescuing of the slaves, generally the fleet that successfully brings down the tower usually decides who can take care of the rescued captives the best. So if you want to take care of the refugees, don't stop at offering the refugees shelter, assist in their liberation by contributing a combatship to the cause, so they can be freed faster & hostile forces are less inclined to disrupt the operation! All in all, congratulations to all pilots involved in making the cluster just a tad bit brighter by blowing up the latest terror facility built by Nauplius & rescue the tormented minmatar slaves. Capsuleers deal a serious blow to 'De-Minmatarization' - program! Find the way to Thera thanks to EvE-Scout!
Wendrika Hydreiga 232	Posted - 2015.01.08 21:22:22 - [214] - Quote Wow! My name was mentioned in one of Miss Jandice's articles! That is so cool! Yep, I'm officially space famous! Thank you Miss Jandice!
Claudia Osyn Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies. 1056	Posted - 2015.01.08 21:40:01 - [215] - Quote Wendrika Hydreiga wrote: Wow! My name was mentioned in one of Miss Jandice's articles! That is so cool! Yep, I'm officially space famous! Thank you Miss Jandice! PS: Your article was also a pretty good read! Lovely! Not famous in a good way though. The lack of money is the root of all evil.
Wendrika Hydreiga 233	Posted - 2015.01.08 21:44:26 - [216] - Quote Claudia Osyn wrote: Not famous in a good way though. You know what they say! Can't spell infamous without famous!
Claudia Osyn Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies. 1056	Posted - 2015.01.08 21:55:33 - [217] - Quote Wendrika Hydreiga wrote: Claudia Osyn wrote: Not famous in a good way though. You know what they say! Can't spell infamous without famous! One should not strive for infamy.... The lack of money is the root of all evil.
Pieter Tuulinen Pyre Falcon Defence and Security 4422	Posted - 2015.01.08 22:34:56 - [218] - Quote She is the worst space pirate you've ever heard of, but you have heard of her... "You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions." "Only a killer would know that..."
Nauplius Hoi Andrapodistai 290	Posted - 2015.01.09 00:26:13 - [219] - Quote A true journalist would attempt to get both sides of the story. Aurora Arcology made no attempt to interview me regarding the De-Minmatarization Tower and its destruction.
Elmund Egivand Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 276	Posted - 2015.01.09 01:47:02 - [220] - Quote Pieter Tuulinen wrote: She is the worst space pirate you've ever heard of, but you have heard of her... Is she even worth attention that lasts longer than several minutes of live ammo exchange? Would very much love to cobble anyone who insinuates that I am a loyalist in the head with a 125mm calibre Fusion round.
Jennifer Maxwell Crimson Serpent Syndicate Heiian Conglomerate 222	Posted - 2015.01.09 08:42:21 - [221] - Quote Claudia Osyn wrote: Wendrika Hydreiga wrote: Wow! My name was mentioned in one of Miss Jandice's articles! That is so cool! Yep, I'm officially space famous! Thank you Miss Jandice! PS: Your article was also a pretty good read! Lovely! Not famous in a good way though. Aside from her controversial research, is there anything else she has done to earn herself such a bad reputation?
Frenjo Borkstar The Borkstar Initiative 28	Posted - 2015.01.09 12:07:46 - [222] - Quote My goodness people! I fail to see how simple scientific methodology can become so hated! One reason: Ethics. ethics, ethics! I've had enough of it. I fully endorse and support this project, not because of my hate for the Minmatar people (of which I have none), but simply because it goes above and beyond ethics, doing whatever's necessary. Quite a few ethics boards already want my head for my research with the Sansha implants, and I don't expect this to make the situation any better, but. Do not simply destroy something because it uses extreme measures to get what needs to be done, done!
Elmund Egivand Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 276	Posted - 2015.01.09 12:19:54 - [223] - Quote Frenjo Borkstar wrote: My goodness people! I fail to see how simple scientific methodology can become so hated! One reason: Ethics. ethics, ethics! I've had enough of it. I fully endorse and support this project, not because of my hate for the Minmatar people (of which I have none), but simply because it goes above and beyond ethics, doing whatever's necessary. Quite a few ethics boards already want my head for my research with the Sansha implants, and I don't expect this to make the situation any better, but. Do not simply destroy something because it uses extreme measures to get what needs to be done, done! Is cleansing an entire race down to the genetic level 'what needs to be done'? Explain to me, in essay form, what are the benefits of genocide. Would very much love to cobble anyone who insinuates that I am a loyalist in the head with a 125mm calibre Fusion round.
Kalaratiri Pyre Falcon Defence and Security 449	Posted - 2015.01.09 12:32:17 - [224] - Quote It picks out idiots and allows them to excell. She's mad but she's magic, there's no lie in her fire. This is possibly one of the worst threads in the history of these forums. -á- CCP Falcon
Wendrika Hydreiga 235	Posted - 2015.01.09 14:36:27 - [225] - Quote Elmund Egivand wrote: Is cleansing an entire race down to the genetic level 'what needs to be done'? Explain to me, in essay form, what are the benefits of genocide. Mister Nauplius is a mean monster. And being mean and a monster is part of his nature! Like how a Fedo is stinky or why the Federation must be destroyed! Nature, yes! Truth be told, people were just mad because I was deliberately helping Mister Nauplius! I consider him a friend, because even monsters need friends! And since he was so nice to ask me for help, I had no real reason not to! Sure, I didn't expect him to spread rainbows and sunshine across New Eden with my research, but by now my research has reached much more capable hands (like the Poteque doctors that assisted me) that will promptly pick off where I left and do the proper thing by testing it on animals first! And maybe someday, years from now, we will have cheap and accessible "genetic makeover" kits, but for now I'm just happy to be in the vanguard of this medical technique! Not to mention those Pyre guys managed to stop Mister Nauplius so promptly. He can be so silly at times. Capsuleers want this procedure to become reality. Poor Miss Kim is trapped in an Achura body when she actually wants to be a Deteis! And I did what I could to make that dream a reality! Because in fact I had no reason to share my research, since I already used it on myself, but I did it anyways because I'm friendly and love to help people!
Pieter Tuulinen Pyre Falcon Defence and Security 4427	Posted - 2015.01.09 15:19:32 - [226] - Quote I can actually think of more than one capsuleer whose life would be measurably improved by being able to change their race - as weird as that sounds and feels to those of us who are more secure in our cultural and genetic legacy. "You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions." "Only a killer would know that..."
Synthetic Cultist Church of The Crimson Saviour Sani-Sabik 399	Posted - 2015.01.09 16:01:34 - [227] - Quote A Cybernetic Brain in a Flesh body, or a Complete Cyberised Body, would Allow such Things, Instead of this "De-Minmatarisation" Process.
Liam Antolliere University of Caille Gallente Federation 245	Posted - 2015.01.09 16:05:04 - [228] - Quote Pieter Tuulinen wrote: I can actually think of more than one capsuleer whose life would be measurably improved by being able to change their race - as weird as that sounds and feels to those of us who are more secure in our cultural and genetic legacy. I've no doubt such capsuleers exist. The concern, at least for me, is the method and means used to explore this line of research and the intention behind this particular individual's pursuit of the research (the eradication of an entire bloodline out of pure prejudice). No doubt this is a tiresome argument by now but I've no problem with scientific research and experimentation as long as they are pursued ethically. "Let it never be said that I have not been true to myself and, in so doing, true to those around me."
Pieter Tuulinen Pyre Falcon Defence and Security 4428	Posted - 2015.01.09 20:54:38 - [229] - Quote Those are entirely rational concerns, I think. "You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions." "Only a killer would know that..."
Jandice Ymladris Aurora Arcology 1236	Posted - 2015.01.10 09:21:44 - [230] - Quote Nauplius wrote: A true journalist would attempt to get both sides of the story. Aurora Arcology made no attempt to interview me regarding the De-Minmatarization Tower and its destruction. As you can notice in this discussion, there's 3 sides to this specific Tower destruction. I choose to interview 2 of the 3 sides to be able to better understand their motivations & actions. It is true I did not interview you, nor attempted to do so in previous attempts.This is because I believe that offering you an interview to shed a light on your side of the story wouldn't reveal anything that people already know through your public announcements, namely: You are batshit insane. Capsuleers deal a serious blow to 'De-Minmatarization' - program! Find the way to Thera thanks to EvE-Scout!
Elmund Egivand Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 277	Posted - 2015.01.10 11:06:14 - [231] - Quote Wendrika Hydreiga wrote: Elmund Egivand wrote: Is cleansing an entire race down to the genetic level 'what needs to be done'? Explain to me, in essay form, what are the benefits of genocide. Mister Nauplius is a mean monster. And being mean and a monster is part of his nature! Like how a Fedo is stinky or why the Federation must be destroyed! Nature, yes! Truth be told, people were just mad because I was deliberately helping Mister Nauplius! I consider him a friend, because even monsters need friends! And since he was so nice to ask me for help, I had no real reason not to! Sure, I didn't expect him to spread rainbows and sunshine across New Eden with my research, but by now my research has reached much more capable hands (like the Poteque doctors that assisted me) that will promptly pick off where I left and do the proper thing by testing it on animals first! And maybe someday, years from now, we will have cheap and accessible "genetic makeover" kits, but for now I'm just happy to be in the vanguard of this medical technique! Not to mention those Pyre guys managed to stop Mister Nauplius so promptly. He can be so silly at times. Capsuleers want this procedure to become reality. Poor Miss Kim is trapped in an Achura body when she actually wants to be a Deteis! And I did what I could to make that dream a reality! Because in fact I had no reason to share my research, since I already used it on myself, but I did it anyways because I'm friendly and love to help people! That did not answer the question. Quoting a stereotypical Advanced Physics Professor, that's a 'F-'! Would very much love to cobble anyone who insinuates that I am a loyalist in the head with a 125mm calibre Fusion round.
Wendrika Hydreiga 236	Posted - 2015.01.10 14:18:38 - [232] - Quote Elmund Egivand wrote: That did not answer the question. Quoting a stereotypical Advanced Physics Professor, that's a 'F-'! Oh no! I don't want to take this semester again! But I don't I have enough brains in jars to calculate the reasons why Mister Nauplius is mean...
Claudia Osyn Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies. 1064	Posted - 2015.01.10 20:00:46 - [233] - Quote Wendrika Hydreiga wrote: Elmund Egivand wrote: That did not answer the question. Quoting a stereotypical Advanced Physics Professor, that's a 'F-'! Oh no! I don't want to take this semester again! But I don't I have enough brains in jars to calculate the reasons why Mister Nauplius is mean... His mother didn't hug him enough. As for those grades, report to my office after class for your extra credit assignment.... Gallente culture studys. The lack of money is the root of all evil.
Zenariae Little Butterfly Enterprises 171	Posted - 2015.01.10 23:03:42 - [234] - Quote Pieter Tuulinen wrote: I can actually think of more than one capsuleer whose life would be measurably improved by being able to change their race - as weird as that sounds and feels to those of us who are more secure in our cultural and genetic legacy. Mr Pieter, Sir, I donGÇÖt mean to be rude or anything IGÇÖm simply extemporising from your statement, but changing your race is silly as are the experiments concerned in this thread. Surely weGÇÖre all the same at the primordial level? We emerged from the same pool of goo in MakerGÇÖs ancient soup, no? Cultural legacy is important, I agree, itGÇÖs what colours our temperament as people but that could be transcended, philosophically speaking, by adapting our attitudes towards those origins stemming from a common genome rather than fiddling with impractical genetic manipulations designed to alter racial characteristics. Imagine that a universe full of goo! My travel diary
Pieter Tuulinen Pyre Falcon Defence and Security 4430	Posted - 2015.01.11 03:06:34 - [235] - Quote I am, personally, very happy in my current racial identity. All I'm saying is that I know two capsuleers who are not. "You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions." "Only a killer would know that..."
Gwen Ikiryo Alexylva Paradox Low-Class 459	Posted - 2015.01.11 04:25:55 - [236] - Quote I have to consent with pilot Zenariae. Changing ones race over the issue of identity is treating a symptom rather then a problem - That is, societies passing judgements or imparting concrete expectations based on it. In the end, approaching the issue in this way will only validate those unconstructive cultural notions further.
Pieter Tuulinen Pyre Falcon Defence and Security 4430	Posted - 2015.01.11 09:19:17 - [237] - Quote Gwen Ikiryo wrote: I have to consent with pilot Zenariae. Changing ones race over the issue of identity is treating a symptom rather then a problem - That is, societies passing judgements or imparting concrete expectations based on it. In the end, approaching the issue in this way will only validate those unconstructive cultural notions further. Well, with the issue of culture and race being conflated so frequently it's not surprising. "You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions." "Only a killer would know that..."
Candi LeMew Isogen 5 13642	Posted - 2015.01.11 09:25:05 - [238] - Quote Pieter Tuulinen wrote: I am, personally, very happy in my current racial identity. All I'm saying is that I know two capsuleers who are not. I always wished I was born Achuran. =ƒÉÆ I am a banana. Bob Is Always Watching ... "I been kicked out of better homes than this" - Rick James Seek freedom and become captive of your desires. Seek discipline and find your liberty.
Gwen Ikiryo Alexylva Paradox Low-Class 459	Posted - 2015.01.11 16:01:12 - [239] - Quote Pieter Tuulinen wrote: Well, with the issue of culture and race being conflated so frequently it's not surprising. Well, that's exactly the problem, Pieter. While in the foggy days of the past such a sentiment might have been excusable by virtue of simple ignorance, we, as enlightened people today, know scientifically that the difference between human beings of different race in terms of mental makeup is so microscopically menial that it simply can't be taken seriously as a factor worthy of having any impact in how we view ourselves or our societies. Race is race, and culture is culture. That's not to say we shouldn't recognize the connection between the two in terms of heritage and history, as the Caldari do, but allowing those outdated beliefs to continue define us, and to validate them in the ways suggested by some in this thread, will only pass on the legacy of meaningless alienation, hate, and tragedy to our children, instead of finally putting a stop to it. Candi LeMew wrote: I always wished I was born Achuran. You should learn to love yourself for the way you are, miss. If you start down the path of trying to change yourself in one way or another instead of doing that first, you'll never stop.
Wendrika Hydreiga 236	Posted - 2015.01.11 16:36:19 - [240] - Quote Miss Ikiryo, what you are saying is rubbish! Being a Sebiestor was awful! I wasn't welcomed anywhere, people treated me like I was some savage and even when I was super polite people were surprised and thought I was raised on a village or something! I was super thin, short, with no muscle mass, my eyes and head were too big and don't get me started on the whole tattoo business! Sure, I had to settle with Intaki genetic markers, and it took me weeks of therapy to get my face right, but now I'm strong enough to wear a dropsuit, my body is more receptive to enhancements and now I can work more closely with corporations and Federal agencies that would otherwise turn me down! As far as my DED file is concerned, I didn't exist until a few of months ago! As such, who I was before any of this is not important at all! What's important here is self-enhancement!
Gwen Ikiryo Alexylva Paradox Low-Class 459	Posted - 2015.01.11 17:02:45 - [241] - Quote Miss Hydreiga, Assuming what you're saying is true - I have to confess some degree of general skeptisism with your claims - Most of what you mentioned there are problems with society, not with you. If people treated you like a savage, that is (factually, based on our understanding of genetics and how racial markers influence human behaviour) simple bigotry of either a cultural or personal nature on their part, and no fault of your heritage. As for the issues with your physicality, I doubt they were tied deeply into race, so the other vast amount of variables in human genetics, considering I have met plenty of Sebiestor who are fat, tall, muscular, and so on. I would suggest you are attempting to address a social problem with a physical solution, and satisfy people who frankly to not deserve to be satisfied. To attempt to relate personally, as an Achur, I am frequently talked down to and infantalized to a disproportionate degree based on my appearance, considered in many respects the lesser to ethnic Caldari in the context of the State, and have been told I am not acting properly because I am not conforming to the stereotype of being "quiet" and "reserved". All of these things frustrate me - Should I therefore seek to change disguise my heritage in such a way that I will no longer suffer them, despite being physically and mentally healthy? Of course I shouldn't. The idea is absurd. I serve both myself and society better by attempting to change those perceptions, rather than simply avoiding them.
Elmund Egivand Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 278	Posted - 2015.01.11 17:04:33 - [242] - Quote Wendrika Hydreiga wrote: Miss Ikiryo, what you are saying is rubbish! Being a Sebiestor was awful! I wasn't welcomed anywhere, people treated me like I was some savage and even when I was super polite people were surprised and thought I was raised on a village or something! I was super thin, short, with no muscle mass, my eyes and head were too big and don't get me started on the whole tattoo business! Sure, I had to settle with Intaki genetic markers, and it took me weeks of therapy to get my face right, but now I'm strong enough to wear a dropsuit, my body is more receptive to enhancements and now I can work more closely with corporations and Federal agencies that would otherwise turn me down! As far as my DED file is concerned, I didn't exist until a few of months ago! As such, who I was before any of this is not important at all! What's important here is self-enhancement! Then I think the issue here has nothing to do with you being Sebiestor and more to do with who you are. I never really had much of an issue going around as a Sebiestor. Whenever someone raised some kind of fuss about my bloodline, I made sure he will find no cause to be concerned for long. The ones who can't look past the stereotype and insist on being ignorant of our culture are not worth the time and effort. If they can be so close-minded about my skin-colour, they will be close-minded about everything else, and are not worth the breath wasted on them. I may be slight of built but I never had much of an issue with physical work. Then again, a childhood spent with labourious work and the latter military training did pretty well in putting some meat around these thin bones. I wear my tattoos with pride. Every stroke tells a story, all of which I am not ashamed of. Every so often, I look into the mirror, and onto these tattoos, and reflect and reminiscent. Every mistake I made, every noteworthy experiences, every moment of triumph and tribulation, are etched onto my flesh as these tattoos. I looked upon them, reflected on the lessons I had learnt, remember my roots and how I got here, and I was glad. There is no shame with these tattoos. Though the tattoos can be very inconvenient. Except for the Voluval, none of these tattoos carry over from clone to clone. Whenever I die I have to go and get myself tattooed all over again. However, this is but a minor quibble. I just need to bring along some diversions the next time I need to get all my tattoos back after death. Would very much love to cobble anyone who insinuates that I am a loyalist in the head with a 125mm calibre Fusion round.
Candi LeMew Isogen 5 13739	Posted - 2015.01.11 22:29:57 - [243] - Quote Gwen Ikiryo wrote: Candi LeMew wrote: I always wished I was born Achuran. You should learn to love yourself for the way you are, miss. If you start down the path of trying to change yourself in one way or another instead of doing that first, you'll never stop. Oh I am happy with myself, Miss Ikiryo! I just hate where I came from. Had I been born Achuran like my adopted family then I'd never had to suffer the life I did while growin' up in the Federation. My new family though, well they've given me a reason, a purpose and they gave me pride. I dress like them, do my makeup like them, dye my hair like theirs. It's as much to honor them as it is to be as much like them as I possibly can. =ƒÉÆ I am a banana. Bob Is Always Watching ... "I been kicked out of better homes than this" - Rick James Seek freedom and become captive of your desires. Seek discipline and find your liberty.
Nauplius Hoi Andrapodistai 293	Posted - 2015.01.11 23:33:51 - [244] - Quote Don't listen to them, Wendrika. You were right to rid yourself of your Minmatarness, and for doing so you will be rewarded at the Judgement.
Bai'xao Meiyi 102	Posted - 2015.01.12 02:35:54 - [245] - Quote Johanes Beaumonte wrote: I am certain it will only be a matter of days, if not hours, that the Minmatar capsuleers "come for their people". puffs on his cigar, blowing copious amounts of smoke and hot air, nodding to himself They'll sit in their little dens, frowning and making loud noises until someone popular makes a fleet. They'll stomp this the..4th? tower. Pretend something was accomplished. Then go back to sitting in their dens, ignoring the root of the problem.
Elmund Egivand Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 279	Posted - 2015.01.12 03:39:23 - [246] - Quote Nauplius wrote: Don't listen to them, Wendrika. You were right to rid yourself of your Minmatarness, and for doing so you will be rewarded at the Judgement. So sayeth the fellow who was likely touched by a Matari at a bad place at some point. Bai'xao Meiyi wrote: Johanes Beaumonte wrote: I am certain it will only be a matter of days, if not hours, that the Minmatar capsuleers "come for their people". puffs on his cigar, blowing copious amounts of smoke and hot air, nodding to himself They'll sit in their little dens, frowning and making loud noises until someone popular makes a fleet. They'll stomp this the..4th? tower. Pretend something was accomplished. Then go back to sitting in their dens, ignoring the root of the problem. Welcome to a day in life at the Matari side of the Amarr-Matar front. Would very much love to cobble anyone who insinuates that I am a loyalist in the head with a 125mm calibre Fusion round.
Luna Hanaya Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 24	Posted - 2015.01.12 04:43:07 - [247] - Quote Candi LeMew wrote: Pieter Tuulinen wrote: I am, personally, very happy in my current racial identity. All I'm saying is that I know two capsuleers who are not. I always wished I was born Achuran. The God made you who you are, please enjoy it, as it was His plan. (( If you are a roleplayer, or want to learn about roleplay, please join "*Out of Character" and "Intergalactic Summit*" channels in game, Lets show CCP that there are many roleplayers still here, and we want more Live Events!! ))
Jennifer Starfall Alexylva Paradox Low-Class 1	Posted - 2015.01.12 18:25:11 - [248] - Quote Pieter Tuulinen wrote: Gwen Ikiryo wrote: I have to consent with pilot Zenariae. Changing ones race over the issue of identity is treating a symptom rather then a problem - That is, societies passing judgements or imparting concrete expectations based on it. In the end, approaching the issue in this way will only validate those unconstructive cultural notions further. Well, with the issue of culture and race being conflated so frequently it's not surprising. I would agree as well; however, while I'm "content" with being racially a Caldari, I would have to be honest that I would give a great deal for genetics that are less of a mess.
Pieter Tuulinen Pyre Falcon Defence and Security 4430	Posted - 2015.01.12 18:55:33 - [249] - Quote Jennifer Starfall wrote: Pieter Tuulinen wrote: Gwen Ikiryo wrote: I have to consent with pilot Zenariae. Changing ones race over the issue of identity is treating a symptom rather then a problem - That is, societies passing judgements or imparting concrete expectations based on it. In the end, approaching the issue in this way will only validate those unconstructive cultural notions further. Well, with the issue of culture and race being conflated so frequently it's not surprising. I would agree as well; however, while I'm "content" with being racially a Caldari, I would have to be honest that I would give a great deal for genetics that are less of a mess. I'm sorry to hear that, suuolo. The truth is that whilst the program has been a good thing, in general, it has let some of it's children down terribly. You are not the first that I've heard this about. "You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions." "Only a killer would know that..."
Jennifer Starfall Alexylva Paradox Low-Class 1	Posted - 2015.01.12 19:20:29 - [250] - Quote Pieter Tuulinen wrote: I'm sorry to hear that, suuolo. The truth is that whilst the program has been a good thing, in general, it has let some of it's children down terribly. You are not the first that I've heard this about. "Let down" is a gross understatement of what the State has done to me. It's my experiences at the hands of the State that make it so clear to me why monsters like Hydreiga and Nauplius must be opposed. We must always be vigilant to oppose them and set aside petty differences in favor of fighting the real enemy. In this regard, Pyre disappointed me. Pieter, you and the rest of Pyre are consummate fighters; do not let Pyre's might be deflected from our real enemies by your petty differences and the pointless wars of the empires. The same could be said for all other organizations that would truly see the Cluster become a better place.
Candi LeMew Isogen 5 14308	Posted - 2015.01.12 21:24:09 - [251] - Quote Luna Hanaya wrote: Candi LeMew wrote: Pieter Tuulinen wrote: I am, personally, very happy in my current racial identity. All I'm saying is that I know two capsuleers who are not. I always wished I was born Achuran. The God made you who you are, please enjoy it, as it was His plan. I don't believe in a god. But my boss sometimes talks about this Bob person. I think it's more of a philosophy thing though than a religion. Anyway, I am happy with myself and my life too. Still wish I was Achuran though. Don't have to be unhappy or dissatisfied to dream of something better. =ƒÉÆ I am a banana. Bob Is Always Watching ... "I been kicked out of better homes than this" - Rick James Seek freedom and become captive of your desires. Seek discipline and find your liberty.
Pieter Tuulinen Pyre Falcon Defence and Security 4430	Posted - 2015.01.12 22:02:18 - [252] - Quote Jennifer Starfall wrote: Pieter Tuulinen wrote: I'm sorry to hear that, suuolo. The truth is that whilst the program has been a good thing, in general, it has let some of it's children down terribly. You are not the first that I've heard this about. "Let down" is a gross understatement of what the State has done to me. It's my experiences at the hands of the State that make it so clear to me why monsters like Hydreiga and Nauplius must be opposed. We must always be vigilant to oppose them and set aside petty differences in favor of fighting the real enemy. In this regard, Pyre disappointed me. Pieter, you and the rest of Pyre are consummate fighters; do not let Pyre's might be deflected from our real enemies by your petty differences and the pointless wars of the empires. The same could be said for all other organizations that would truly see the Cluster become a better place. Again, I surely can't disagree with you. I remember the days when ideology guided us with some fondness and, despite what the Federation would have people believe, making an isk is not ideology to the Caldari. "You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions." "Only a killer would know that..."
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 1549	Posted - 2015.01.17 12:46:23 - [253] - Quote Those, who destroyed this tower without trying to put it into use, you are the same as Mr. Nauplius. Capsuleers and their games in destruction... you are just wasting resources and lives instead of putting them into something that really matters.
Samira Kernher Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 1126	Posted - 2015.01.17 12:55:21 - [254] - Quote There was NO good use to be made out of that disgusting thing. It was used for nothing more than to destroy lives. Lives that we rescued. Because guess what, at each and every one of these towers, I've been there in a transport, recovering the Butcher's victims. I've brought those people under my care, and have treated them to medical aid, psychological care, reunion with their families, and transport to new lives. And now you, the little genocidist **** who preaches the same monstrous beliefs as the Butcher, trying to preach morals to other people. You're a disgrace to yourself and the Caldari State. How a juvenile delinquent like you got through the capsule program I will never understand.
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 1549	Posted - 2015.01.17 12:56:53 - [255] - Quote Only a brainwashed by gallentean ideals idiot would say that I am a "genocidist" though.
Samira Kernher Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 1126	Posted - 2015.01.17 13:04:03 - [256] - Quote Whatever you say.
Jennifer Starfall Alexylva Paradox Low-Class 15	Posted - 2015.01.17 17:55:24 - [257] - Quote Diana Kim wrote: Those, who destroyed this tower without trying to put it into use, you are the same as Mr. Nauplius. Capsuleers and their games in destruction... you are just wasting resources and lives instead of putting them into something that really matters. Such as propagating an agenda of hatred? If you think Nauplius' Tower is anything other than a weapon of terror, you are quite mistaken. It's because of rabid, mindless animals like you that have caused the State to rot from within. If you love the State as much as you claim, don't even biomass yourself. I couldn't bear the though of some innocent being infested by the most basic of amino acids that once had the misfortune to compose you. Just gather up your clones and drop yourself in the nearest star. At least then, you'll have made at least one small positive contribution by providing a moment of warm light on the faces of the children you were a curse to.
Nauplius Hoi Andrapodistai 293	Posted - 2015.01.18 01:02:52 - [258] - Quote Samira Kernher wrote: There was NO good use to be made out of that disgusting thing. It was used for nothing more than to destroy lives. Lives that we rescued. Because guess what, at each and every one of these towers, I've been there in a transport, recovering the Butcher's victims. I've brought those people under my care, and have treated them to medical aid, psychological care, reunion with their families, and transport to new lives. And now you, the little genocidist **** who preaches the same monstrous beliefs as the Butcher, trying to talk about morals to those of us who actually put in effort to save instead of destroy. You're a disgrace to yourself and the Caldari State. How a juvenile delinquent like you got through the capsule program I will never understand. Sarah Kernher is more short tempered and foul of speech than she used to be. One upon a time, she deluded herself into thinking she could be like the Chosen, and the wayward Chosen in PIE thought she could be like them. But she has failed to overcome her Minmatarness, and relapsed into the gutter that is her birthright. This is why slaves should never be freed. Amen. Amarr Victor.
Samira Kernher Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 1139	Posted - 2015.01.18 08:59:27 - [259] - Quote The Butcher wrote: Samira Kernher is more short tempered and foul of speech than she used to be. Because of you. Because of you and monsters like you.
Ashlar Vellum 24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire 132	Posted - 2015.01.18 19:41:22 - [260] - Quote Nauplius wrote: Sarah Kernher is more short tempered and foul of speech than she used to be. One upon a time, she deluded herself into thinking she could be like the Chosen, and the wayward Chosen in PIE thought she could be like them. But she has failed to overcome her Minmatarness, and relapsed into the gutter that is her birthright. This is why slaves should never be freed. Amen. Amarr Victor. You are right about one thing, not everyone is ready for all the responsibilitys freedom gives. You are the prime example of someone who should still be a slave.
chaosjj Resource Extraction And Devolopment 70	Posted - 2015.01.18 20:46:15 - [261] - Quote I am absolutely discusted by the very thought of these towers, how could any sane human bring such suffering to another human? especialy as it is in the name of some fictional magical person in the sky.
Elmund Egivand Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 291	Posted - 2015.01.19 01:58:36 - [262] - Quote chaosjj wrote: I am absolutely discusted by the very thought of these towers, how could any sane human bring such suffering to another human? especialy as it is in the name of some fictional magical person in the sky. Whoever said the guy who erected the tower, with hardly any defenses but two white noise generators, one of which was placed INSIDE the bubble, was sane? Would very much love to cobble anyone who insinuates that I am a loyalist in the head with a 125mm calibre Fusion round.
Pieter Tuulinen Pyre Falcon Defence and Security 4433	Posted - 2015.01.19 02:47:41 - [263] - Quote Ashlar Vellum wrote: Nauplius wrote: Sarah Kernher is more short tempered and foul of speech than she used to be. One upon a time, she deluded herself into thinking she could be like the Chosen, and the wayward Chosen in PIE thought she could be like them. But she has failed to overcome her Minmatarness, and relapsed into the gutter that is her birthright. This is why slaves should never be freed. Amen. Amarr Victor. You are right about one thing, not everyone is ready for all the responsibilitys freedom gives. You are the prime example of someone who should still be a slave. Or at the very least confined and strictly monitored. "You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions." "Only a killer would know that..."
Luna Hanaya Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 29	Posted - 2015.01.19 09:40:28 - [264] - Quote Ashlar Vellum wrote: Nauplius wrote: Sarah Kernher is more short tempered and foul of speech than she used to be. One upon a time, she deluded herself into thinking she could be like the Chosen, and the wayward Chosen in PIE thought she could be like them. But she has failed to overcome her Minmatarness, and relapsed into the gutter that is her birthright. This is why slaves should never be freed. Amen. Amarr Victor. You are right about one thing, not everyone is ready for all the responsibilitys freedom gives. You are the prime example of someone who should still be a slave. I agree with this! Him and many other murderous blasphemers here should be reclaimed as slaves. I don't see the other way to turn them to the right path. (( If you are a roleplayer, or want to learn about roleplay, please join "*Out of Character" and "Intergalactic Summit*" channels in game, Lets show CCP that there are many roleplayers still here, and we want more Live Events!! ))
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 1551	Posted - 2015.01.19 13:12:43 - [265] - Quote It really surprises me that no one tried to make a trap on that tower to catch some pro-gallentean pilots, who would rush to save "poor slaves" with foam at their mouths. Gallentean abolitionists are like cattle, thinking by emotions instead of cold calculations and could easily be trapped and eliminated. But instead of precise and efficient operation I see this drama like in some trash cheap gallentean flick about "saving poor slaves". Wake up, peoples! Don't you see you are manipulated and can't think clearly? I am really getting sick from such atrocious use of resources. Do you think you are better than Mr. Nauplius by destroying his tower? Bullcensored. You are censored the same. And to another weakling who would moan about "but slaves, but people lives". This is freaking WAR. People DIE here. Are you captains of space ships or crybabies?!
Jennifer Starfall Alexylva Paradox Low-Class 19	Posted - 2015.01.19 17:04:30 - [266] - Quote Diana Kim wrote: Wake up, peoples! Don't you see you are manipulated and can't think clearly? I am really getting sick from such atrocious use of resources. Do you think you are better than Mr. Nauplius by destroying his tower? Yes, yes we do. We are better than Nauplius because we understand the inherent value of human lives, regardless of their race. But based on your rabid frothing of hatred, I'm not sure you're capable of understanding that. I don't know if you've been that indoctrinated by the State, or if there is some horrible tragedy in your past that has left you horribly scarred. In either case, you have my pity. Diana Kim wrote: And to another weakling who would moan about "but slaves, but people lives". This is freaking WAR. People DIE here. Are you captains of space ships or crybabies?! There is a difference between the soldiers and crews that have answered the clarion call of the cause they believe in, and the slaves being consumed by the monster that is Nauplius. Once again, I'm not sure if you're even capable of understandingthe difference.
Claudia Osyn Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies. 1065	Posted - 2015.01.19 20:06:06 - [267] - Quote Diana Kim wrote: It really surprises me that no one tried to make a trap on that tower to catch some pro-gallentean pilots, who would rush to save "poor slaves" with foam at their mouths. Gallentean abolitionists are like cattle, thinking by emotions instead of cold calculations and could easily be trapped and eliminated. Didn't see you exicuting a camp on the tower eather sweetie, that makes you just as bad as the people your dissapointed in. The lack of money is the root of all evil.
Ascentior PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 145	Posted - 2015.01.20 00:18:03 - [268] - Quote Nauplius wrote: Samira Kernher wrote: There was NO good use to be made out of that disgusting thing. It was used for nothing more than to destroy lives. Lives that we rescued. Because guess what, at each and every one of these towers, I've been there in a transport, recovering the Butcher's victims. I've brought those people under my care, and have treated them to medical aid, psychological care, reunion with their families, and transport to new lives. And now you, the little genocidist **** who preaches the same monstrous beliefs as the Butcher, trying to talk about morals to those of us who actually put in effort to save instead of destroy. You're a disgrace to yourself and the Caldari State. How a juvenile delinquent like you got through the capsule program I will never understand. Sarah Kernher is more short tempered and foul of speech than she used to be. One upon a time, she deluded herself into thinking she could be like the Chosen, and the wayward Chosen in PIE thought she could be like them. But she has failed to overcome her Minmatarness, and relapsed into the gutter that is her birthright. This is why slaves should never be freed. Amen. Amarr Victor. 1st Lt Kernher's temper is quite becoming of a True Amarrian. She has shown true restraint while others were bickering over who should destroy that damned aberration and why. It is only after the work is complete, to not only remove the despicable structure, but also put herself and her crew in more danger to rescue those who were trapped. Only after that, when others dare to tread upon the efforts made by the righteous. Only then, does she bother to put those unrighteous fools in their place. Would that all Amarrians show the same faith and action, God's universe would surely be united quite soon indeed. Admiral of PIE Inc., Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris (See 'PIE Public' for recruitment) Honorary Fabricator-General of the Imperial Navy Chosen by God to serve the Empire.
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 1556	Posted - 2015.01.20 17:18:05 - [269] - Quote Jennifer Starfall wrote: There is a difference between the soldiers and crews that have answered the clarion call of the cause they believe in, and the slaves being consumed by the monster that is Nauplius. Once again, I'm not sure if you're even capable of understanding the difference. It looks to me that it is actually you who are unable to see such obvious difference, or you wouldn't spew crap like that. Let me clarify it to you if you still lack capacity to reason it yourself: Non-combatants are less trained and less prepared for armed conflict, thus alive combatant is more important during war than non-combatant.
Jaret Victorian Crystalis Foundation 54	Posted - 2015.01.20 17:42:46 - [270] - Quote Diana Kim wrote: Non-combatants are less trained and less prepared for armed conflict, thus alive combatant is more important during war than non-combatant. Diana, you are a soldier. What are you fighting for, in the end? To establish that your culture is predominant. That your culture is the culture to be reckoned with. But who keeps it? Who develops it? Simple people, civilians who cannot protect themselves from usurpers and those who want to consume them (sometimes literally). Soldiers fight for their people, for their cultural heritage and if soldiers abandon those who need them, there would be nothing to fight for. Without their people, soldiers are just husks. Of course, slavers deserve to be wiped out, but that's a different question. Bad things should happen to bad people. We find someone not so bad, maybe he'll end up not so dead.
Jennifer Starfall Alexylva Paradox Low-Class 21	Posted - 2015.01.20 17:53:02 - [271] - Quote Diana Kim wrote: It looks to me that it is actually you who are unable to see such obvious difference, or you wouldn't spew crap like that. Let me clarify it to you if you still lack capacity to reason it yourself: Non-combatants are less trained and less prepared for armed conflict, thus alive combatant is more important during war than non-combatant. You've forgotten what you're fighting for then. You're fighting for the sake of fighting, because that's all you know anymore.
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 1560	Posted - 2015.01.22 19:18:05 - [272] - Quote Jaret Victorian wrote: Diana Kim wrote: Non-combatants are less trained and less prepared for armed conflict, thus alive combatant is more important during war than non-combatant. Diana, you are a soldier. What are you fighting for, in the end? To establish that your culture is predominant. That your culture is the culture to be reckoned with. But who keeps it? Who develops it? Simple people, civilians who cannot protect themselves from usurpers and those who want to consume them (sometimes literally). Soldiers fight for their people, for their cultural heritage and if soldiers abandon those who need them, there would be nothing to fight for. Without their people, soldiers are just husks craving for blood. All Caldari citizens are soldiers. Every and single one, even those who didn't choose military career - they all have 3 years obligatory service term. Soldiers keep and establish our culture. Soldiers protect our culture. If there won't be soldiers, the State will collapse, it will be invaded by gallentean occupants without resistance, and all our culture will be destroyed, replacing it with chaos, indecent clothing and honorless behavior, slogans for "yey democracy", "yey freedom", "yey indivudialism", "yey hedonism" and "exterminate all Caldari". We are Caldari. We preserve what can bring most profit to the society and sacrifice first what can bring less profit. If you are weak, if you don't have potential of becoming strong (like children, who are all should be considered as future soldiers of top grade), you must be sacrificed first. Quote: Of course, slavers deserve to be wiped out, but that's a different question. Wasn't you watching too many gallentean reels lately?.. Disgusting.
Jaret Victorian Crystalis Foundation 55	Posted - 2015.01.23 12:37:03 - [273] - Quote Diana Kim wrote: All Caldari citizens are soldiers. Every and single one, even those who didn't choose military career - they all have 3 years obligatory service term. Soldiers keep and establish our culture. Soldiers protect our culture. If there won't be soldiers, the State will collapse, it will be invaded by gallentean occupants without resistance, and all our culture will be destroyed, replacing it with chaos, indecent clothing and honorless behavior, slogans for "yey democracy", "yey freedom", "yey indivudialism", "yey hedonism" and "exterminate all Caldari". We are Caldari. We preserve what can bring most profit to the society and sacrifice first what can bring less profit. If you are weak, if you don't have potential of becoming strong (like children, who are all should be considered as future soldiers of top grade), you must be sacrificed first. Yes, professional soldiers. There are still quite a lot of people with other professions. And I must say, I agree with you almost everywhere. Except where you say that I must be sacrificed. Don't sacrifice me, I'm a relatively good guy. Oh and I think that soldiers do not establish culture, they merely police it because they can, they are the power with guns, after all. My good Intaki friend Kalden once told me that every established culture must be preserved. Caldari, Gallente, Minmatar, even Amarr, because cultures make us unique. It's a hard process and proxy wars don't help solving the problem. Back to the point of our discussion. People in need must not be abandoned. If there is anything we can do to get them out of danger, we must do it. This is a matter of respect. Not thinking about baseliner casualties simply won't help us in any way. Diana Kim wrote: Jaret Victorian wrote: Of course, slavers deserve to be wiped out, but that's a different question. Wasn't you watching too many gallentean reels lately?.. Disgusting. yey freedom Why yes, I was watching some of them, they are a good entertainment and I don't have to kill anyone in the process. I imagine that both of us have something to dislike. You don't like gallenteans and I don't like slavery in any form. Bad things should happen to bad people. We find someone not so bad, maybe he'll end up not so dead.
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 1580	Posted - 2015.01.24 12:28:32 - [274] - Quote Diana Kim wrote: Take for example Lieutenant Kernher, she is smart, intelligent, polite. Honestly, I could never imagine she was a minmatar, and even now most of the time consider her just Imperial citizen without associating her with minmatars. I am terribly sorry for such horrible desinformation I have brought as example! I hate when I am mistaken, especially mistaken in people, and even more, when I am mistaken about their decency. Lieutenant has shown herself rather as a typical angry hating and uncivilized primitive tribal. She doesn't deserve wearing Imperial uniform. Please excuse me for trying to show her as a decent person. I really wasn't aware and I ask you to forgive me for this misdoing. I will try to be more accurate when I will speak about peoples in future. D. Kim, Strike Cmdr.
Eran Mintor Furtherance. 772	Posted - 2015.01.24 13:01:32 - [275] - Quote The only thing going well for you Ms. Kim is the fact you can put two words together to make a sentence. Though sometimes I worry you're on your way to losing that ability. You have no grounds to insult someone such as Ms. Kernher. Please cease and desist. -Eran
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 1580	Posted - 2015.01.24 13:06:48 - [276] - Quote Eran Mintor wrote: The only thing going well for you Ms. Kim is the fact you can put two words together to make a sentence. Though sometimes I worry you're on your way to losing that ability. You have no grounds to insult someone such as Ms. Kernher. Please cease and desist. -Eran Smart person would ask for a reason. Stupid one would simply come to wrong conclusion. You see, I have pretty much enough grounds for that, and claiming otherwise is simply showing ignorance. Stop doing that. And if you are interested in them - ask politely.
Eran Mintor Furtherance. 772	Posted - 2015.01.24 13:19:57 - [277] - Quote It's not my duty to ask you of your accusations. If they held a reason with any merit you would bring it up, surely. Or you would throw baseless insults at people because that's all that you're capable of, and all you have been capable of. If you have something to say, then say it. You insult someone but give no reason why, and then expect people to give a damn about you enough to ask why you think such stupid things? I think we're all past that, Ms. Kim. -Eran
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 1582	Posted - 2015.01.24 22:04:07 - [278] - Quote Eran Mintor wrote: It's not my duty to ask you of your accusations. If they held a reason with any merit you would bring it up, surely. Or you would throw baseless insults at people because that's all that you're capable of, and all you have been capable of. If you have something to say, then say it. You insult someone but give no reason why, and then expect people to give a damn about you enough to ask why you think such stupid things? I think we're all past that, Ms. Kim. -Eran I am pretty much capable to what you would never dream of, minmatar. I have already said that I have grounds to say what I have said, and yet you contradict me? They pretty much have merit and sense, and what is more important, YOU could have find them yourself, if you were able at least browsing last topics on GalNet or use search button. If you can't do this, of course, I can tell you them. But lets do it not just simple, but with useful work. You see, Mr. Nauplius was telling that Minmatars are basically useless, and I was telling him othewise, that Minmatars can be taught to behave like civilized humans. As it seems you are a minmatar, you can become an object of a simple experiment. I will try to teach you proper behaviour and conversation skill, and a stimulation for this will be the information that you were asking about. You will receive it as a reward, if you will prove that I am right and Mr. Nauplius is wrong by following my next instructions. Now, listen very carefully and simple repeat what I will say, word to word: "Commander Kim, please excuse me for my indecent behavior in this media. Could you please forgive me and tell me, why have you changed your mind about Lt. Kehrner?"
Eran Mintor Furtherance. 773	Posted - 2015.01.24 22:30:54 - [279] - Quote Go **** yourself. How about that for conversational skill? -Eran
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 1582	Posted - 2015.01.24 22:37:19 - [280] - Quote Eran Mintor wrote: Go **** yourself. How about that for conversational skill? -Eran 0:1 to Mr. Nauplius favor, I guess... Pity. If I couldn't make you civilized by teaching, maybe he will with his surgery or whatever. But I will try to find a civilized and smart minmatar regardless!
Tyrel Toov Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies. 217	Posted - 2015.01.26 21:34:05 - [281] - Quote Diana Kim wrote: Eran Mintor wrote: Go **** yourself. How about that for conversational skill? -Eran 0:1 to Mr. Nauplius favor, I guess... Pity. If I couldn't make you civilized by teaching, maybe he will with his surgery or whatever. But I will try to find a civilized and smart minmatar regardless! There are plenty of us. You just have a talent for bringing out the worst in people. I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
Deitra Vess Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies. 263	Posted - 2015.01.26 21:44:40 - [282] - Quote What he said....
Vapor Ventrillian The Scope Gallente Federation 534	Posted - 2015.01.27 03:57:32 - [283] - Quote I am feeling the urge to shoot you with lots and lots of ships The Evil Overlord of Scope, self elected as all good overlords should be
Elmund Egivand Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 315	Posted - 2015.01.27 04:14:53 - [284] - Quote Tyrel Toov wrote: Diana Kim wrote: Eran Mintor wrote: Go **** yourself. How about that for conversational skill? -Eran 0:1 to Mr. Nauplius favor, I guess... Pity. If I couldn't make you civilized by teaching, maybe he will with his surgery or whatever. But I will try to find a civilized and smart minmatar regardless! There are plenty of us. You just have a talent for bringing out the worst in people. Anyone who doesn't agree with her is stupid and wrong, apparently. Would very much love to cobble anyone who insinuates that I am a loyalist in the head with a 125mm calibre Fusion round.
KaRa DaVuT Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance 60	Posted - 2015.01.29 18:44:32 - [285] - Quote We shall have peace with Amarr... We shall have peace, when they answer for the burning of the tribeworlds, and the children that lie dead there! We shall have peace, when the lives of the soldiers whose bodies were hewn even as they died against the gates of the Pator , are avenged! When those Theology Council members hang from a gibbit for the sport of their own slaver dogs...! We shall have peace. Holiness is in right action and courage on behalf of those who cannot defend themselves, and goodness. What God desires is in your heart and on your mind... And what you decide to do every day, makes you - not your race - a good man - or not.
ValentinaDLM Pyre Falcon Defence and Security 571	Posted - 2015.01.29 19:33:18 - [286] - Quote KaRa DaVuT wrote: We shall have peace with Amarr... We shall have peace, when they answer for the burning of the tribeworlds, and the children that lie dead there! We shall have peace, when the lives of the soldiers whose bodies were hewn even as they died against the gates of the Pator , are avenged! When those Theology Council members hang from a gibbit for the sport of their own slaver dogs...! We shall have peace. Rhetoric like this doesn't help.
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 1595	Posted - 2015.01.29 20:10:57 - [287] - Quote Tyrel Toov wrote: Diana Kim wrote: Eran Mintor wrote: Go **** yourself. How about that for conversational skill? -Eran 0:1 to Mr. Nauplius favor, I guess... Pity. If I couldn't make you civilized by teaching, maybe he will with his surgery or whatever. But I will try to find a civilized and smart minmatar regardless! There are plenty of us. You just have a talent for bringing out the worst in people. Plenty of minmatars? I guess... Maybe too much of plenty. As for talent, well, probably it would be an awesome skill to develop to make sure who of people are decent and who are indecent. I will look forward in this direction.
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 1595	Posted - 2015.01.29 20:12:07 - [288] - Quote Elmund Egivand wrote: Tyrel Toov wrote: Diana Kim wrote: Eran Mintor wrote: Go **** yourself. How about that for conversational skill? -Eran 0:1 to Mr. Nauplius favor, I guess... Pity. If I couldn't make you civilized by teaching, maybe he will with his surgery or whatever. But I will try to find a civilized and smart minmatar regardless! There are plenty of us. You just have a talent for bringing out the worst in people. Anyone who doesn't agree with her is stupid and wrong, apparently. No, stupid and wrong are only those, who disagree by insulting or speaking about me things which are not correct. Like you.
Elmund Egivand Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 315	Posted - 2015.01.30 00:13:24 - [289] - Quote Diana Kim wrote: Elmund Egivand wrote: Tyrel Toov wrote: Diana Kim wrote: Eran Mintor wrote: Go **** yourself. How about that for conversational skill? -Eran 0:1 to Mr. Nauplius favor, I guess... Pity. If I couldn't make you civilized by teaching, maybe he will with his surgery or whatever. But I will try to find a civilized and smart minmatar regardless! There are plenty of us. You just have a talent for bringing out the worst in people. Anyone who doesn't agree with her is stupid and wrong, apparently. No, stupid and wrong are only those, who disagree by insulting or speaking about me things which are not correct. Like you. Look into the mirror before spouting more of your ignorant spite. Unless you have joined Nauplius in the 'space all my mirrors out of the airlock' club. Would very much love to cobble anyone who insinuates that I am a loyalist in the head with a 125mm calibre Fusion round.
Kalaratiri Pyre Falcon Defence and Security 467	Posted - 2015.01.30 01:37:23 - [290] - Quote KaRa DaVuT wrote: We shall have peace with Amarr... We shall have peace, when they answer for the burning of the tribeworlds, and the children that lie dead there! We shall have peace, when the lives of the soldiers whose bodies were hewn even as they died against the gates of the Pator , are avenged! When those Theology Council members hang from a gibbit for the sport of their own slaver dogs...! We shall have peace. No. You won't have peace. You will have the continuing cycle of "justified revenge" because "look at what those monsters/savages/religious nutcases/etc have done to us!" The only way you're going to get peace, actual peace, real peace, is through diplomatic talks and an enormously difficult concerted effort from all involved parties to actually want peace. This, of course, is never going to happen. Just look at the residents of Luminaire. She's mad but she's magic, there's no lie in her fire. This is possibly one of the worst threads in the history of these forums. -á- CCP Falcon
Luna Hanaya Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 29	Posted - 2015.01.30 04:29:07 - [291] - Quote KaRa DaVuT wrote: We shall have peace with Amarr... We shall have peace, when they answer for the burning of the tribeworlds, and the children that lie dead there! We shall have peace, when the lives of the soldiers whose bodies were hewn even as they died against the gates of the Pator , are avenged! When those Theology Council members hang from a gibbit for the sport of their own slaver dogs...! We shall have peace. You will have peace only when you repent and accept God in your heart. (( If you are a roleplayer, or want to learn about roleplay, please join "*Out of Character" and "Intergalactic Summit*" channels in game, Lets show CCP that there are many roleplayers still here, and we want more Live Events!! ))
AlterlifeSB Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance 2	Posted - 2015.01.30 07:50:28 - [292] - Quote Kalaratiri wrote: KaRa DaVuT wrote: We shall have peace with Amarr... We shall have peace, when they answer for the burning of the tribeworlds, and the children that lie dead there! We shall have peace, when the lives of the soldiers whose bodies were hewn even as they died against the gates of the Pator , are avenged! When those Theology Council members hang from a gibbit for the sport of their own slaver dogs...! We shall have peace. No. You won't have peace. You will have the continuing cycle of "justified revenge" because "look at what those monsters/savages/religious nutcases/etc have done to us!" The only way you're going to get peace, actual peace, real peace, is through diplomatic talks and an enormously difficult concerted effort from all involved parties to actually want peace. This, of course, is never going to happen. Just look at the residents of Luminaire. You think you can sit to a table with a Pure Amarr and expect us to see you as "equals" and deal some pathetic bargain and call it a "diplomatic negotiation"? Girl, we need nothing from you except your skin and sweat. Go work on mines or serve dinner. This is your bes use. Youa re not a nation nor a people. A vermin that needs to put on a leash to understand its place. The peace as you awaited will never come, because Diplomatic Talks can only be done by equals. Yet, your only equal is a slaver pet. Sigh...
KaRa DaVuT Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance 62	Posted - 2015.01.30 07:57:12 - [293] - Quote AlterlifeSB wrote: Kalaratiri wrote: KaRa DaVuT wrote: We shall have peace with Amarr... We shall have peace, when they answer for the burning of the tribeworlds, and the children that lie dead there! We shall have peace, when the lives of the soldiers whose bodies were hewn even as they died against the gates of the Pator , are avenged! When those Theology Council members hang from a gibbit for the sport of their own slaver dogs...! We shall have peace. No. You won't have peace. You will have the continuing cycle of "justified revenge" because "look at what those monsters/savages/religious nutcases/etc have done to us!" The only way you're going to get peace, actual peace, real peace, is through diplomatic talks and an enormously difficult concerted effort from all involved parties to actually want peace. This, of course, is never going to happen. Just look at the residents of Luminaire. You think you can sit to a table with a Pure Amarr and expect us to see you as "equals" and deal some pathetic bargain and call it a "diplomatic negotiation"? Girl, we need nothing from you except your skin and sweat. Go work on mines or serve dinner. This is your bes use. Youa re not a nation nor a people. A vermin that needs to put on a leash to understand its place. The peace as you awaited will never come, because Diplomatic Talks can only be done by equals. Yet, your only equal is a slaver pet. Sigh... See! This is the reason why Matar-Amarr peace is harder than Gallente -Caldari. Because of the Amarr arrogance... Caldari and Gallente shared same culture and same history, there are people in both sides that can understand each other and respects tho both cultures and the ways of living. We cannot let a mad man break this all. But those Amarr... Their arrogance and the set of rules gives their "Pure" Amarr an arrogance and a so called "right-to-rule" over the rest. They raise like that, their point of view fixed like that... You cannt change a tyrant to understand how my ancestors got that much pain over their needless slaughter... Kalaratiri, I too am a Sebiestor from my mother side and I grew up with the stories and later visited my ancestral grounds... Thing is, what is sacred to us is a blasphemy for Amarr.. They hardly create empatyh with us.. I raelly have no expectations from some diplomatic solution... AlterlifeSB, after all these years you did not changed...we are together for a long time yet, you are still the same selfish arrogant ******* who only thinks himself... Holiness is in right action and courage on behalf of those who cannot defend themselves, and goodness. What God desires is in your heart and on your mind... And what you decide to do every day, makes you - not your race - a good man - or not.
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 1597	Posted - 2015.01.30 08:55:44 - [294] - Quote KaRa DaVuT wrote: This is the reason why Matar-Amarr peace is harder than Gallente -Caldari. Because of the Amarr arrogance... Caldari and Gallente shared same culture and same history, Can you stop lying, gallentean? We NEVER shared our culture. At least on the reason that gallenteans don't actually have culture, they are indecent and uncivilized creatures, who under word culture try to sell their lack of culture. Caldari from the start rejected Gallentean form of life and were maintaining only business relations, that's why with development of FTL communications we started to voice against gallentean presence: they were broadcasting their filth as "culture" and "entertainment" into our worlds, where such things were absolutely not acceptable.
Kalaratiri Pyre Falcon Defence and Security 467	Posted - 2015.01.30 10:02:02 - [295] - Quote AlterlifeSB wrote: Kalaratiri wrote: KaRa DaVuT wrote: We shall have peace with Amarr... We shall have peace, when they answer for the burning of the tribeworlds, and the children that lie dead there! We shall have peace, when the lives of the soldiers whose bodies were hewn even as they died against the gates of the Pator , are avenged! When those Theology Council members hang from a gibbit for the sport of their own slaver dogs...! We shall have peace. No. You won't have peace. You will have the continuing cycle of "justified revenge" because "look at what those monsters/savages/religious nutcases/etc have done to us!" The only way you're going to get peace, actual peace, real peace, is through diplomatic talks and an enormously difficult concerted effort from all involved parties to actually want peace. This, of course, is never going to happen. Just look at the residents of Luminaire. You think you can sit to a table with a Pure Amarr and expect us to see you as "equals" and deal some pathetic bargain and call it a "diplomatic negotiation"? Girl, we need nothing from you except your skin and sweat. Go work on mines or serve dinner. This is your bes use. Youa re not a nation nor a people. A vermin that needs to put on a leash to understand its place. The peace as you awaited will never come, because Diplomatic Talks can only be done by equals. Yet, your only equal is a slaver pet. Sigh... Literally my exact point. Your reply is so hilariously stereotypically "Slaving Amarrian bastard" I have to wonder if it's not some kind of satire. I do have fantastic skin, I can see why you would want it. As for sweat, at least buy a girl dinner first hmm? Please show me where I said I wanted peace? She's mad but she's magic, there's no lie in her fire. This is possibly one of the worst threads in the history of these forums. -á- CCP Falcon
KaRa DaVuT Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance 62	Posted - 2015.01.30 10:06:44 - [296] - Quote Diana Kim wrote: KaRa DaVuT wrote: This is the reason why Matar-Amarr peace is harder than Gallente -Caldari. Because of the Amarr arrogance... Caldari and Gallente shared same culture and same history, Can you stop lying, gallentean? We NEVER shared our culture. At least on the reason that gallenteans don't actually have culture, they are indecent and uncivilized creatures, who under word culture try to sell their lack of culture. Caldari from the start rejected Gallentean form of life and were maintaining only business relations, that's why with development of FTL communications we started to voice against gallentean presence: they were broadcasting their filth as "culture" and "entertainment" into our worlds, where such things were absolutely not acceptable. You really are a charmer right? Darling, we argued a lot.. let me show you how we can share some culture in a dinner ok? In that way we can start a new "peace negotiation" hmm? I can sacrifice myself in the name of Gallente and Caldari peace. Cmon Diana Kim, no one can say no to a good dinner and some wine... Don't be that rock solid. Holiness is in right action and courage on behalf of those who cannot defend themselves, and goodness. What God desires is in your heart and on your mind... And what you decide to do every day, makes you - not your race - a good man - or not.
AlterlifeSB Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance 2	Posted - 2015.01.30 10:10:27 - [297] - Quote Kalaratiri wrote: Literally my exact point. Your reply is so hilariously stereotypically "Slaving Amarrian bastard" I have to wonder if it's not some kind of satire. I do have fantastic skin, I can see why you would want it. As for sweat, at least buy a girl dinner first hmm? Please show me where I said I wanted peace? I actually said it to KaRa DaVuT... He is so eager to blast on his far kin's pains than his own Gallentean origin.. This is admiring but pathetic... About you, beautiful specimen, I am sorry, but I cannot share the same table with you even on a dinner table. Although your gene natural selection could be unique and beautiful, this does not change tha fact that you are a slave and alas should know your place... But If you want I can arrange you a slave pen and then we can discuss about your skin, hmm?
Tiberious Thessalonia Pyre Falcon Defence and Security 2256	Posted - 2015.01.30 14:35:29 - [298] - Quote AlterlifeSB wrote: Kalaratiri wrote: Literally my exact point. Your reply is so hilariously stereotypically "Slaving Amarrian bastard" I have to wonder if it's not some kind of satire. I do have fantastic skin, I can see why you would want it. As for sweat, at least buy a girl dinner first hmm? Please show me where I said I wanted peace? I actually said it to KaRa DaVuT... He is so eager to blast on his far kin's pains than his own Gallentean origin.. This is admiring but pathetic... About you, beautiful specimen, I am sorry, but I cannot share the same table with you even on a dinner table. Although your gene natural selection could be unique and beautiful, this does not change tha fact that you are a slave and alas should know your place... But If you want I can arrange you a slave pen and then we can discuss about your skin, hmm? Sorry, she's already working for us. Try not to threaten to enslave the people who are fighting on your side in the ridiculous faction war.
KaRa DaVuT Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance 62	Posted - 2015.01.30 15:10:43 - [299] - Quote Tiberious Thessalonia wrote: Sorry, she's already working for us. Try not to threaten to enslave the people who are fighting on your side in the ridiculous faction war. A minmatar fighting for Amarr... There is nothimg more disgusting than that Holiness is in right action and courage on behalf of those who cannot defend themselves, and goodness. What God desires is in your heart and on your mind... And what you decide to do every day, makes you - not your race - a good man - or not.
Pieter Tuulinen Pyre Falcon Defence and Security 4460	Posted - 2015.01.30 16:06:10 - [300] - Quote AlterlifeSB wrote: Kalaratiri wrote: Literally my exact point. Your reply is so hilariously stereotypically "Slaving Amarrian bastard" I have to wonder if it's not some kind of satire. I do have fantastic skin, I can see why you would want it. As for sweat, at least buy a girl dinner first hmm? Please show me where I said I wanted peace? I actually said it to KaRa DaVuT... He is so eager to blast on his far kin's pains than his own Gallentean origin.. This is admiring but pathetic... About you, beautiful specimen, I am sorry, but I cannot share the same table with you even on a dinner table. Although your gene natural selection could be unique and beautiful, this does not change tha fact that you are a slave and alas should know your place... But If you want I can arrange you a slave pen and then we can discuss about your skin, hmm? I'd advise you to leave my kirjuun alone, no matter their race. "You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions." "Only a killer would know that..."
Tiberious Thessalonia Pyre Falcon Defence and Security 2258	Posted - 2015.01.30 16:07:51 - [301] - Quote KaRa DaVuT wrote: Tiberious Thessalonia wrote: Sorry, she's already working for us. Try not to threaten to enslave the people who are fighting on your side in the ridiculous faction war. A minmatar fighting for Amarr... There is nothimg more disgusting than that Actually she's fighting for a Caldari PMC currently contracted to the Amarr.
ValentinaDLM Pyre Falcon Defence and Security 571	Posted - 2015.01.30 16:26:07 - [302] - Quote KaRa DaVuT wrote: Tiberious Thessalonia wrote: Sorry, she's already working for us. Try not to threaten to enslave the people who are fighting on your side in the ridiculous faction war. A minmatar fighting for Amarr... There is nothimg more disgusting than that There are quite a few of us, so by all means be disgusted, it just makes you a fool. I am a Brutor, I fight for whoever I want to, deal with it.
Evi Polevhia Pyre Falcon Defence and Security 771	Posted - 2015.01.30 16:46:39 - [303] - Quote This is getting beyond absurd.
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 1600	Posted - 2015.01.31 07:28:13 - [304] - Quote KaRa DaVuT wrote: You really are a charmer right? Darling, we argued a lot.. let me show you how we can share some culture in a dinner ok? In that way we can start a new "peace negotiation" hmm? I can sacrifice myself in the name of Gallente and Caldari peace. Cmon Diana Kim, no one can say no to a good dinner and some wine... Don't be that rock solid. KaRa DaVuT wrote: I can sacrifice myself in the name of Gallente and Caldari peace. That I will appreciate, other stuff - not so. Would you like to use Kresh, sword, or lay under my guns?..
KaRa DaVuT Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance 64	Posted - 2015.02.02 10:24:57 - [305] - Quote Diana Kim wrote: KaRa DaVuT wrote: You really are a charmer right? Darling, we argued a lot.. let me show you how we can share some culture in a dinner ok? In that way we can start a new "peace negotiation" hmm? I can sacrifice myself in the name of Gallente and Caldari peace. Cmon Diana Kim, no one can say no to a good dinner and some wine... Don't be that rock solid. KaRa DaVuT wrote: I can sacrifice myself in the name of Gallente and Caldari peace. That I will appreciate, other stuff - not so. Would you like to use Kresh, sword, or lay under my guns?.. I still have a duel offer waiting an answer. If you still want to honor that, come to Taisy and lets rock n roll returning to topic further.. I am with my Matar brothers and will not sit and watch their suffering. Holiness is in right action and courage on behalf of those who cannot defend themselves, and goodness. What God desires is in your heart and on your mind... And what you decide to do every day, makes you - not your race - a good man - or not.
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 1603	Posted - 2015.02.03 05:01:40 - [306] - Quote KaRa DaVuT wrote: Diana Kim wrote: KaRa DaVuT wrote: You really are a charmer right? Darling, we argued a lot.. let me show you how we can share some culture in a dinner ok? In that way we can start a new "peace negotiation" hmm? I can sacrifice myself in the name of Gallente and Caldari peace. Cmon Diana Kim, no one can say no to a good dinner and some wine... Don't be that rock solid. KaRa DaVuT wrote: I can sacrifice myself in the name of Gallente and Caldari peace. That I will appreciate, other stuff - not so. Would you like to use Kresh, sword, or lay under my guns?.. I still have a duel offer waiting an answer. If you still want to honor that, come to Taisy and lets rock n roll returning to topic further.. I am with my Matar brothers and will not sit and watch their suffering. If you want to duel, why not you show up in the State space, instead of making a trap in savage space, where lots of barbarians would unleash on me if I attack you?
Elmund Egivand Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 317	Posted - 2015.02.03 05:33:30 - [307] - Quote Diana Kim wrote: KaRa DaVuT wrote: Diana Kim wrote: KaRa DaVuT wrote: You really are a charmer right? Darling, we argued a lot.. let me show you how we can share some culture in a dinner ok? In that way we can start a new "peace negotiation" hmm? I can sacrifice myself in the name of Gallente and Caldari peace. Cmon Diana Kim, no one can say no to a good dinner and some wine... Don't be that rock solid. KaRa DaVuT wrote: I can sacrifice myself in the name of Gallente and Caldari peace. That I will appreciate, other stuff - not so. Would you like to use Kresh, sword, or lay under my guns?.. I still have a duel offer waiting an answer. If you still want to honor that, come to Taisy and lets rock n roll returning to topic further.. I am with my Matar brothers and will not sit and watch their suffering. If you want to duel, why not you show up in the State space, instead of making a trap in savage space, where lots of barbarians would unleash on me if I attack you? Because the alternative is to go to Black Rise where lots of Calamari would unleash on him if he attacks you? Would very much love to cobble anyone who insinuates that I am a loyalist in the head with a 125mm calibre Fusion round.
ValentinaDLM Pyre Falcon Defence and Security 573	Posted - 2015.02.03 12:50:27 - [308] - Quote Why don't you both just rent a room in Khanid space, they are very discreet, and don't stop you no matter which faction flag you are flying.
KaRa DaVuT Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance 64	Posted - 2015.02.05 10:14:19 - [309] - Quote Diana Kim wrote: If you want to duel, why not you show up in the State space, instead of making a trap in savage space, where lots of barbarians would unleash on me if I attack you? D-¦ana K-¦m, I will make a public announcement. Lets no more ruin this thread. Holiness is in right action and courage on behalf of those who cannot defend themselves, and goodness. What God desires is in your heart and on your mind... And what you decide to do every day, makes you - not your race - a good man - or not.
Luna Hanaya Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 31	Posted - 2015.02.06 14:59:31 - [310] - Quote ValentinaDLM wrote: Why don't you both just rent a room in Khanid space, they are very discreet, and don't stop you no matter which faction flag you are flying. Bad idea, miss. Give them a room - they will destroy the whole building. Please don't destroy anything in our Kingdom. Let them do it somewhere else, for example, in Republic. (( If you are a roleplayer, or want to learn about roleplay, please join "*Out of Character" and "Intergalactic Summit*" channels in game, Lets show CCP that there are many roleplayers still here, and we want more Live Events!! ))
KaRa DaVuT Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance 135	Posted - 2015.02.06 15:00:32 - [311] - Quote Luna Hanaya wrote: ValentinaDLM wrote: Why don't you both just rent a room in Khanid space, they are very discreet, and don't stop you no matter which faction flag you are flying. Bad idea, miss. Give them a room - they will destroy the whole building. Please don't destroy anything in our Kingdom. Let them do it somewhere else, for example, in Republic. That, is actually a good point. Holiness is in right action and courage on behalf of those who cannot defend themselves, and goodness. What God desires is in your heart and on your mind... And what you decide to do every day, makes you - not your race - a good man - or not.

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