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Erotic Irony Sturm und Drang	Posted - 2006.09.16 05:56:00 - [31] Originally by: DigitalCommunist EVE fanbase tolerates the fact that we're no longer a "unique" universe out of the pretense that its beneficial to EVE in the long run. Not only have we sacrificed this uniqueness, but its implementation has cost us in other forms as well: development delays, resource reallocation. Eve is serious business. Avon: For the love of all the is holy, do as the man says CCP.
Michiyo Daishi Royal Knights of Khanid	Posted - 2006.09.16 06:07:00 - [32] You also have to consider the different mindset of asian players when it comes to something as unique as EVE. Everyone expects another cookie-cutter korean-style MMO wherein lvl = grind and loot. EVE is definately not cookie-cutter, right? Also, the idea of leaving anything alone only to come back to it later better and stronger (EVE's skill system) is frowned upon a lot. People here are taught that you should work to get better, not just set a skill and leave for said amount of time to come back done. Lastly, EVE is far more complex than any normal MMO, especially like WoW, so you have to expect some people to not like something complex to play after a hard day's work. Chinese are known for their short tempers as well, so :P... Oh and the POS arguement is a viable point as well :P > want a sig like mine? :D
Wild Rho Amarr Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2006.09.16 07:02:00 - [33] Originally by: Reiisha Originally by: Andvari Khessari I actually know Mandarin, is there any way to use their servers instead of TQ? The current server is very laggy, 8k people sounds quite nice though on a nice shiney new network. Well, you'll have to accept some huge latencies to china, aswell as accept that the client you need to connect to serenity is limited to 3 hours of play a day (iirc). If the time is restricted to just 3 hours that could really screw over Eve down there. Let's face it, Eve is not a fast paced game and it can take the best part of an evening to make some good progress. Heck, some fleet battles alone take more than 3 hours between short engagements, buildups and maneuvers. WE ARE DYSLEXIC OF BORG. Refutance is systile. Your ass will be laminated. - Jennie Marlboro
Sevarus James Minmatar Meridian Dynamics	Posted - 2006.09.16 08:19:00 - [34] Here is an interesting article regarding some of the stuff that is going on in China and gaming currently: Blog More pertinent to this discussion is the following from this article: <snip> Regulating Game Play In mid-2005, the national government took a much more forceful stance on video game regulation, as part of a general tightening of entertainment media policy. The government's regulations included a "fatigue system" designed to limit the amount of continuous time that players could spend within game worlds. Initially, the regulations applied to all citizens but were later revised to apply only to players under the age of 16. Moreover, new Internet cafTs were banned from 200m radius of schools and apartment buildings; registration of new internet cafes was suspended for time being; cafT curfews for under 18s introduced in July 2006 The government justified its video game regulations by citing concerns about youth addiction, corruption, and health issues related to games. Games, according to an official statement, "break the constitution, threaten national unity, sovereignty and territorial integrity will be banned. Anything which threatens state security, damaging the nation's glory, disturbing social order and infringing on other's legitimate rights will also be banned." This formalized a stance that had already banned games for politically contentious content. An example of a problematic issue would be the representation of Taiwan, Hong Kong, Macau, Tibet as independent nations Those familiar with long-term Chinese regulation of internet access saw the policies also as a back door effort to restrict youth access and participation in cyberspace more generally. In the all night cybercafes described earlier, especially those which are not legally registered, youth would spend the night playing games, chatting with friends, reading ****, and consuming forbidden news sites. Setting limits on the amount of time that could be spent playing games would, in effect, limit these all night policies. Players initially sought to get around such restrictions by adopting multiple accounts and using multiple aliases but the government responded in June 2006 by requiring that all online game accounts be registered with real names and ID card numbers. <snip> ----- ------------ Updated Linux Desktop+EVE+EVE-TV
Wild Rho Amarr Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2006.09.16 08:45:00 - [35] Cheers for the link, made for some interesting reading. WE ARE DYSLEXIC OF BORG. Refutance is systile. Your ass will be laminated. - Jennie Marlboro
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.09.16 08:51:00 - [36] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 16/09/2006 08:51:43 The chinese government is very scary. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2006.09.16 09:32:00 - [37] Because school holiday is over, people are going back to school or whatever. Recruitment
Twilight Moon Minmatar eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.09.16 10:22:00 - [38] Wait, CCP, if it all goes wrong in China, can we get their stuff? (Hardware) ...on the other hand using a banana might be a viable alternative.
Jags Minmatar M. Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.09.16 10:31:00 - [39] How old is Serenity ? 6-9 months ? You cannat say that something is a failure in that timeframe. I would bet that the maintenance costs or any other costs that CCP will incure for this will be covered by the 8k subscribers. If it still has the same number of subscribers after 2 years then it can arguably be classed as a failure.
Nafri Caldari Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.09.16 10:53:00 - [40] Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 16/09/2006 08:51:43 The chinese government is very scary. well, its a dictatorship, which alone killed more people than ****** and Stalin together, what do you expect? From Dusk till Dawn
Nafri Caldari Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.09.16 10:57:00 - [41] Anyway, the whole concept of Eve is based around charesmatic leaders and alliances. Without the old guys, Eve is nothing and another fast paced grind with no long term attraction. You can easily see who leads the big alliances, players who play the game for 3+ years. From Dusk till Dawn
Skawl GeoTech	Posted - 2006.09.16 11:12:00 - [42] Originally by: Nafri Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 16/09/2006 08:51:43 The chinese government is very scary. well, its a dictatorship, which alone killed more people than ****** and Stalin together, what do you expect? They've chosen some darn odd words to censor.
Virida Mindstar Technology United Confederation of Corporations	Posted - 2006.09.16 11:17:00 - [43] Serenity is still in beta, isnt it? shouldnt the subscriber base do a small jump down then, to about 5k users online, when going live? (that is being moderately optimistic).
Hyo Velka	Posted - 2006.09.16 11:21:00 - [44] Originally by: DigitalCommunist Can someone care to explain the meaning of these numbers? Are they wrong? Serenity has been losing a third of its subscribers every month from what I can tell, to the point where it looks like Tranquility on June 2003. Granted, most of China plays on one timezone but the peak online numbers should be a lot higher than 8k. If Serenity is failing, I think its time we heard something about it. Oooh free test? Bah I prefer Linegae 2. Closes trial account - Didn't see that coming. Anyways, its only been up and running for a few months. How long was TQ running for before it hit 8K concurrent users? (granted the numbers slowly dropping, but its bound to level out at some point).
wierchas noobhunter Caldari The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.09.16 11:25:00 - [45] eve is game where u need time eve revoliution on our server was tbh most fun thing aka waiting for new ships and stuff in china ccp just give them all same time and u know that was biggest mistake ... hmm i dont see point tbh put ships like carriers or dreads in server cos u need train like 1 year for them tbh most vise thing wuld me to put stuff one by one like it was here gg CCP Hey i get paid to be ebil - Xorus So how much you want for the ebil goat??-Tirg I don't - Imz0r
LaCoHa Acerbus Vindictum	Posted - 2006.09.16 11:39:00 - [46] Yeah having Cap ships available for 8k 'new' players must make them a bit frustrated. Atleast here in REAL eve, there are actually players capable of piloting them.
Hyo Velka	Posted - 2006.09.16 11:46:00 - [47] Originally by: wierchas noobhunter eve is game where u need time eve revoliution on our server was tbh most fun thing aka waiting for new ships and stuff in china ccp just give them all same time and u know that was biggest mistake ... hmm i dont see point tbh put ships like carriers or dreads in server cos u need train like 1 year for them tbh most vise thing wuld me to put stuff one by one like it was here gg CCP I think your reading into it too much. Maybe there all fantasy fans (linegae and EQ for example have LOTS of asian players) instead of sci-fi enthusiasts. So what if they dump everything on there at once. It gives the players some direction, so there not milling around aimlessly with their skill training. When EVE (TQ) was released, it was a very limited game. As the game has grown, so has the playerbase. And who the hell thought that "OMG they made a second server, I'm going to deprie myself of a good game to spite them because I believe in their single-sharded-dream more than they aparently do" crap??
Ginger Magician Minmatar OctoberSnow Corp	Posted - 2006.09.16 11:46:00 - [48] I told them when they first proposed the idea that eve china would be a failure and it looks like it is.8K players who are not even paying in a country of more than a billion people is pathetic.Its interesting to read the blog about MMO's in general in China.If a game like WOW clearly highly suited to a Chinese audience cannot succeed then EVE has no chance at all.
Cmdr Sy EUROPEANS	Posted - 2006.09.16 11:56:00 - [49] I'd love to see a n00b-fitted T1 cruiser Zerg Rush on Worlds Collide L4. CCP please advertise Fraps on Serenity.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.09.16 12:02:00 - [50] Originally by: Nafri Originally by: Jim McGregor The chinese government is very scary. well, its a dictatorship, which alone killed more people than **** and Stalin together, what do you expect? The Chinese government is a lot of things, but its not a dictatorship. And the current government is not responsible for the Cultural Revolution. That's like saying its Bush's fault for getting the US into Vietnam. Different administration, different people. --[23] Member-- Originally by:** DB Preacher The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
Sovy Kurosei Amarr Therianthropic Technologies	Posted - 2006.09.16 12:18:00 - [51] Originally by: Dark Shikari The Chinese government is a lot of things, but its not a dictatorship. For all practical purposes it is a one party state. But we shouldn't discuss politics. Hope Serenity does better. Wasn't there a time that Tranquility only had 8000 people online at a time too? ___________________
Soratah Amarr Ubiqua Seraph Aegis Militia	Posted - 2006.09.16 12:59:00 - [52] Just for the record, and I hope you take these points as fact considering im living in the damn country in question. 1) The law that governs playtime covers use of computers in the internet cafes only and I mean ONLY. Like all laws in China there are plenty of places (near every place) that bend or break it to some degree. This law does not govern private usage on home computers. This was brought in as a reaction to stop people staying in internet cafes for days. (something that a lot of people do considering the top quality of some of them Free manga, bedrolls, bread, drinks etc) 2) It's back to school now for the kiddies. Anywhere from 12 years to about 18 years are having to go back to school and cram schools. They're looking at approx 12-15 hours of studying per day so the chances of them logging into EVE for a few hours are... remote at best.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.09.16 13:03:00 - [53] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 16/09/2006 13:03:45 Originally by: Sovy Kurosei Originally by: Dark Shikari The Chinese government is a lot of things, but its not a dictatorship. For all practical purposes it is a one party state. That's correct, yes, but one party != one person. IIRC the dictionary definition of dictatorship implies a single autocrat, not a whole party of decision-makers. There aren't elections, and its not free, but its not a dictatorship either. --[23] Member-- Originally by: DB Preacher The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
Logan Xerxes Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.09.16 13:58:00 - [54] Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 16/09/2006 13:03:45 Originally by: Sovy Kurosei Originally by: Dark Shikari The Chinese government is a lot of things, but its not a dictatorship. For all practical purposes it is a one party state. That's correct, yes, but one party != one person. IIRC the dictionary definition of dictatorship implies a single autocrat, not a whole party of decision-makers. There aren't elections, and its not free, but its not a dictatorship either. Oligarchy is the term we're looking for methinks "Draw them in with the prospect of gain, take them by confusion." -Sun Tzu It's all fun and games, until you feel the second hand on your shoulder... - Tirg
Serenity Steele Rearden Steele Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.09.16 14:11:00 - [55] These Serenity threads It takes time to build a reputation in the market Eve Strategic Maps - Outpost Alert
Andvari Khessari	Posted - 2006.09.16 14:18:00 - [56] Originally by: Siriyana Originally by: Andvari Khessari I actually know Mandarin, is there any way to use their servers instead of TQ? The current server is very laggy, 8k people sounds quite nice though on a nice shiney new network. If you actually know Mandarin, then you'd know that Chinese only has one "written" language- Mandarin and Cantonese sound different but are written the same, so it wouldn't matter whether or not you know mandarin, only whether or not you can read Chinese. Does it make any sense that I would say I know mandarin and want to play on a chinese server if I didn't know howto read simp/trad chinese, cantonese, and a few dialects? Please think before you post.
xeom Veto.	Posted - 2006.09.16 16:57:00 - [57] Culture differences? --- CCP where are our t2 shield power relays?
Galk Gallente Autumn Tactics	Posted - 2006.09.16 17:10:00 - [58] Edited by: Galk on 16/09/2006 17:12:08 Originally by: Sovy Kurosei Wasn't there a time that Tranquility only had 8000 people online at a time too? Yeah but we didn't start here with what was it 30-40k? on the first day.... (the fanboys were hailing the day if i remember right) As far as i can remember... we started around 5-6k.. went to 7 something before it hit decline.. around 4-5.. then picking up again after christmas with the introduction of more pve (aka lv3 agents) and magazine promotions (very hazy)??? I realy don't know if the chinese server will be a success or not.. most opinions here are clouded by there own experiences of the game... not what others might think of it. My own personal beliefs, i think unless ccp can find a way to transfer currency from the server over to tranq.... then it will never hit the hights. As proposterious as that might sound... they found a way to justify rmt on traq keeping people happy... You never know Edit As you im sure all remember.. it was ccp themselfs who freely admitted rmt/ebay et'al was a part of chinese gaming culture....... (thus a part of eve) So expect something given that culture/market largely depends on exports ______
Ruffio Sepico Minmatar Hidden Agenda	Posted - 2006.09.16 17:18:00 - [59] Originally by: Galk Edited by: Galk on 16/09/2006 17:12:08 Originally by: Sovy Kurosei Wasn't there a time that Tranquility only had 8000 people online at a time too? Yeah but we didn't start here with what was it 30-40k? on the first day.... (the fanboys were hailing the day if i remember right) As far as i can remember... we started around 5-6k.. went to 7 something before it hit decline.. around 4-5.. then picking up again after christmas with the introduction of more pve (aka lv3 agents) and magazine promotions (very hazy)??? I realy don't know if the chinese server will be a success or not.. most opinions here are clouded by there own experiences of the game... not what others might think of it. My own personal beliefs, i think unless ccp can find a way to transfer currency from the server over to tranq.... then it will never hit the hights. As proposterious as that might sound... they found a way to justify rmt on traq keeping people happy... You never know Edit As you im sure all remember.. it was ccp themselfs who freely admitted rmt/ebay et'al was a part of chinese gaming culture....... (thus a part of eve) So expect something given that culture/market largely depends on exports Grinding and more PVE aspect is also a part of that gaming culture. So introduce more of that might attract more players, but then that would apply for Tranq too as it run the same code. Home: http://www.hidden-agenda.co.uk
Galk Gallente Autumn Tactics	Posted - 2006.09.16 17:24:00 - [60] It did wonders back in early 04 didn't it... My personal feeling is that eve could/would have stayed at those number levels if they hadn't delveloped the agent system ______

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