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KanonKongen
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Posted - 2015.01.06 22:47:25 -
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*popcorn* |
Garbage Man Forever
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.01.06 23:00:42 -
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dis gon b gud |
Darth A30NZ
Sanctuary of Shadows
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Posted - 2015.01.06 23:15:03 -
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+1 for me. Jayne, SASH and Sepctre changed how I EvE for the better. Long live NPSI.
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mikeshaw91 inkura
Sanctuary of Shadows
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Posted - 2015.01.06 23:20:23 -
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+1 from me - grabs popcorn to watch Lex and Seraph embarrass themselves. |
Creeping Kaos
Sanctuary of Shadows
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Posted - 2015.01.06 23:23:38 -
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I started my EVE career like most, mining and doing missions and learning the game via the starter NPC corp. I was recruited by Anger Kidd of Aegis Requiem and the wonderful world of corp dynamics was opened up to me and I fell in love with game once more. Learning how to PVP within my new corp left me hungry to learn more and to become an FC myself. After a friend recommended I join Bombers Bar I was now initiated into NPSI fleets, I never turned back. I met Jayne and flew with him several times while in BB. it wasn't until the fall of BB and subsequent rise of a new NPSI community (Spectre Fleet) that i truly got to know Jayne as a community leader and a FC.
Jayne Fillon's passionate commitment to the NPSI community shows in every event he hosts, as well as his commitment outside of the game. His talk at last years EVE Vegas outlined not only his commitment but where he see's this community growing and with growth comes a need for voice.
That Voice is Jayne Fillon.
JAYNE FILLON for CSMX |
Jayne Fillon
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Posted - 2015.01.06 23:31:04 -
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Hi Seraph! Thanks for helping me win a bet.
Anyway, I promised myself that when you eventually came around I'd response to you once, and only once, so here we go.
Quote:At the end of the day yes scamming is part of Eve, but when it comes to running an organized and potent CSM team, is that what the players of Eve need? Why does playing Eve the way that you do give you credentials for the CSM in one instance but is only regarded as "just a game" when it doesn't suit you?
You're comparing apples to oranges to here, and it just doesn't make sense. Scamming, metagaming, and espionage are all parts of Eve, parts of Eve that are not only supported through the existing mechanics, but supported by the developers themselves. I've engaged in these activities previously and I'm not ashamed by that, nor do I think it diminishes of my other accomplishments. Put a different way, what I do in game has no affect on my compulsions in real life when in a professional setting, this must should be obvious. As it's been said countless time before, "Welcome to Eve."
Yes, I had beers with Doom in Vegas along with a lot of other wonderful people. I greatly enjoyed my first player gathering and will certainly be attending again in the future. Regardless of our interactions in game or how they eventually ended up, I wasn't trying to buddy-buddy him while in Vegas with a malicious intent to deceive. That's ridiculous. Even if I met you at one of these gatherings, god forbid, I would pay you the respect you deserve and treat you like a normal human being instead of an internet villain.
I fail to see why this is a difficult concept.
Quote:NPSI is supposed to not be about corps yet this internal mail where you allow your members to refer to you as a certain Dictator of the Third Reich, a title which you seem to adore, clearly shows an elitist attitude where Spectre Fleet is simply an extension of your corp to use and to wield for whatever whims you may have. SASH has been referred to as "more of a cult than a corp." How do you answer these criticisms?
You're grasping at straws and pulling cheapshots now, none of which are even remotely relevant to the CSM, but I guess I'll answer them anyway. First, just like the efforts of Agony Empire, RvB, Tuskers, Vengance INC, Stille Gewalt, Furtherance, et al, NPSI communities have been formed and managed by corporations since the very beginning. SASH started Spectre Fleet, and for a long time the only FCs in Spectre Fleet were the FCs from my corporation. That is no longer the case, but that's how we had to do it to get things started. As for ownership of the community, at the end of the day I own the channel, the mailing lists, the teamspeak server, website.... I own everything because someone has to. If you find some other way of running an NPSI community, please let me know. Otherwise, I'll simply let the results of my methods speak for themselves.
My title is a reference to the hyperbolic statement "literally ******," and it's a joke. Get over yourself.
I have literally never heard about our corporation being called "more of a corp than a cult" so I'm just going to assume you made that up. Internally we have a joke that SASH is an "elitist social club," which originated during the early days of our corporation when we did nothing but run with Spectre Fleet. The members of my corporation were so focused on building up Spectre Fleet to be a successful community that we didn't do anything together as a corp, at all.
Thankfully those days are over and we can fly together as a corp more often now. Not sure what else you're looking for here.
Quote:Last election year you were listed as a candidate on the official CFC ballot. Even with the CFC's backing you failed to take a position on the CSM but my question is how can you talk yourself up as a person of the NPSI community when you seem to be sitting in the same corner with one of the major nullsec blocs? What assurances do we have as the voter?
This sounds like a regurgitation of Gevlon Goblin's election analysis. I was far from the only non-CFC member listed on the official CFC ballot, most notably Ali Aras was prominently included. To say that I failed "even with the CFC's backing" is a bit presumptuous. I was quite low on the CFC official ballot last year and was eliminated before any of those votes trickled down. I have never been in any CFC affiliated alliances, or any nullbloc for that matter. I was included on the official ballot for other reasons, reasons that I would like to think included my writings and technical knowledge of Eve, which has been showcased in my various articles on TheMittani.com.
Quote:Lastly, none of your suggestions really bring anything to the game.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion - and I'm sure that those who agree with me, instead of you, will show it with their vote.
Okay, now that that is finally over with, let me reiterate. Even if you respond (which I'm sure you will) I will not be humouring you with any more answers in this thread, bar none. You tried desperately last year to derail my CSM campaign thread, and succeeding in getting it locked, forcing me to recreate it. You tried to get me banned from the game by posting articles on EN24, and your posts here are nothing but a continuation of your obsessive vendetta against me.
I look forward to your next article on EN24.
It won't stop me.
Can't shoot blues if you don't have any. Long Live NPSI.
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Robyn Aurilen
Sanctuary of Shadows
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Posted - 2015.01.06 23:53:59 -
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Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Jayne Fillon R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn +1 vote, confirmed cult status cuz seraph said so |
Creeping Kaos
Sanctuary of Shadows
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Posted - 2015.01.06 23:54:39 -
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Once again, eloquently made his points and remained respectful till the end. What more do you need from a candidate.
+1 my vote
> To walk fully in the light, one must first be intimate with the dark.
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Cee Blue
Sanctuary of Shadows
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Posted - 2015.01.07 00:02:37 -
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+1 vote for Jayne.
If we are in a cult then why don't all our backgrounds match.. .oh wait..
Can i have some free kool-aid now? You keep promising us. |
Lex Arson
Adversity. Psychotic Tendencies.
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Posted - 2015.01.07 00:46:08 -
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I think as we all saw from Matias's run last year, founding a Thing that is successful does not necessarily grant you any credentials that makes you useful on the CSM. Your ideas might be nice, but as before stated they add very little to the actual game as far as the grand scheme of things is concerned. You now have your own corp rallying around this thread blotting it out with worthless noise. I've been a CEO longer than you've been playing this game and I wouldn't count this towards credentials to being a contributing CSM member.
vOv Vote for jayne if you want another Matias I suppose. CCP will not care about the topics you bring to the table and you will contribute nothing to the discussions that others will bring to the table. GL in your run.
There's no use crying after every mistake,
you just keep on trying 'til you run out of cake.
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Jayne Fillon
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Posted - 2015.01.07 00:54:33 -
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Lex Arson wrote:CCP will not care about the topics you bring to the table and you will contribute nothing to the discussions that others will bring to the table. GL in your run.
I'm interested to hear why you think I'll be unable to contribute to any issues that aren't explicitly listed in my platform.
Can't shoot blues if you don't have any. Long Live NPSI.
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Seraph IX Basarab
Hades Effect
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Posted - 2015.01.07 00:59:21 -
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No substantive answer? Check.
Diversion of the discussion? Check.
Ignore most of the questions? Check.
Ping for corp members to come stand up for you? Check.
Express signs of delusion? Double check on that one.
Hades Effect
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KanonKongen
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Posted - 2015.01.07 02:33:07 -
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Lex Arson wrote:I think as we all saw from Matias's run last year, founding a Thing that is successful does not necessarily grant you any credentials that makes you useful on the CSM. Your ideas might be nice, but as before stated they add very little to the actual game as far as the grand scheme of things is concerned. You now have your own corp rallying around this thread blotting it out with worthless noise. I've been a CEO longer than you've been playing this game and I wouldn't count this towards credentials to being a contributing CSM member.
vOv Vote for jayne if you want another Matias I suppose. CCP will not care about the topics you bring to the table and you will contribute nothing to the discussions that others will bring to the table. GL in your run.
Lex for CSMX |
Warran Simalia
Sanctuary of Shadows
5
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Posted - 2015.01.07 02:55:01 -
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Jayne has been the best CEO and one of the best leader I have ever come across while playing EVE. He is passionate about the game, and I truly believe he can lead almost anyone to success. He is a fantastic FC, a fantastic leader, and a fantastic friend that I have had the pleasure to have for the past two years.
He will be number one on my ballot, and would be so if I was in any other corporation. He will be a positive impact on the CSM. |
Tison Odunen
TisonOdunenTax
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Posted - 2015.01.07 08:32:48 -
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I support Jayne for CSM X.
As a Bombers Bar FC, he was always fun to be around in SF. As a fellow member of Haydes Effect, I trust him to make the right decisions. |
Seraph IX Basarab
Hades Effect
484
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Posted - 2015.01.07 17:25:59 -
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Tison Odunen wrote:I support Jayne for CSM X.
As a Bombers Bar FC, he was always fun to be around in SF. As a fellow member of Haydes Effect, I trust him to make the right decisions.
Your membership: Hades Effect [HADE3] from 2013.04.02 18:07 to 2013.04.06 07:38.
4 days? Can't even spell the corp name right.
Hades Effect
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Seraph IX Basarab
Hades Effect
484
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Posted - 2015.01.07 19:13:17 -
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Tison Odunen wrote:I support Jayne for CSM X.
As a Bombers Bar FC, he was always fun to be around in SF. As a fellow member of Haydes Effect, I trust him to make the right decisions.
You were in Hades Effect (not haydes) for about 4 days. So...
Hades Effect
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Mofo Diquilis
Sanctuary of Shadows
10
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Posted - 2015.01.07 19:26:43 -
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Confirming Jayne is the Canadian Satan.
WWCSD That is all. |
Tison Odunen
TisonOdunenTax
2
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Posted - 2015.01.08 00:01:57 -
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Seraph IX Basarab wrote:Tison Odunen wrote:I support Jayne for CSM X.
As a Bombers Bar FC, he was always fun to be around in SF. As a fellow member of Haydes Effect, I trust him to make the right decisions. You were in Hades Effect (not haydes) for about 4 days. So...
Quality not quantity.
Gandhi said it, so it must be true.
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Apex Aubaris
Hoover Inc. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2015.01.08 00:12:07 -
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My ******* sides. |
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Jenshae Chiroptera
The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2015.01.08 04:39:26 -
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Jayne Fillon wrote:Hi Seraph! Thanks for helping me win a bet. I promised myself that when you eventually came around I'd respond to you once, and only once, so here we go. Put a different way, what I do in game has no affect on my compulsions in real life when in a professional setting, this much should be obvious. I continually argue that if we have freedom without real consequences and people choose to be horrid to others, it speaks volumes about their personality as it shows their natural uninhibited inclinations.
CSM Ten movement for change.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids.
Status: Rabid carebear
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Jayne Fillon
512
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Posted - 2015.01.08 04:57:10 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Jayne Fillon wrote:Hi Seraph! Thanks for helping me win a bet. I promised myself that when you eventually came around I'd respond to you once, and only once, so here we go. Put a different way, what I do in game has no affect on my compulsions in real life when in a professional setting, this much should be obvious. I continually argue that if we have freedom without real consequences and people choose to be horrid to others, it speaks volumes about their personality as it shows their natural uninhibited inclinations.
It can be argued either way, back and forth, endlessly. What can't be argued is that Eve and real life are two completely different things. Just because I do something in game, such as steal from another corporation, doesn't mean that I have only by the grace of god been able to repress those same urges in real life. In Eve, theft and espionage are not against the law, they are a part of the game. This is identical to how shooting people in Call of Duty is a part of that game, and has absolutely bearing on your desires to shoot people in the face while walking down the street.
In game, I probably abide by different a code of ethics than you, and that's fine - but just because you don't play by the same rules or like the way that I play my game, doesn't make my playstyle immoral or invalid. For example, I don't agree with what CODE does by extorting highsec miners, but that doesn't mean I don't support their freedom to play Eve the way that they have chosen to play it.
That's the beauty of the Sandbox.
Can't shoot blues if you don't have any. Long Live NPSI.
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Seraph IX Basarab
Hades Effect
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Posted - 2015.01.08 05:08:48 -
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You don't need to repeat the same old tired line Jayne. We all know in game and out of game are two separate things. The issue is a certain trend or tendency to basically just **** up any organization you happen to be even remotely attached to.
In one instance you use your in game play style as a reason to get elected. In the same breath you say that the way you play doesn't necessarily reflect you. You can't have it both ways.
Hades Effect
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Jenshae Chiroptera
The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2015.01.08 05:09:44 -
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Jayne Fillon wrote: Just because I do something in game, such as steal from another corporation, doesn't mean that I have only by the grace of god been able to repress those same urges in real life. My last post here because it is your thread. Some of us don't need to repress those urges in real life, we don't have them in the first place. Have a good day / night.
CSM Ten movement for change.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids.
Status: Rabid carebear
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commander aze
Sub--Zero The Serenity Initiative
63
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Posted - 2015.01.08 05:50:47 -
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Not to be that guy but I have had people back stab me before, steal the corp wallet and assets. hurts more when its a friend not sure what it says about a persons morals when representing a group of people when actions seem to support that you are out for yourself using questionable moral tactics.
I respect the NPSI fleets as I used to roam with NOIR and have worked with bombers bar back in my high sec days. And I respect the work to create and grow spectre fleet. (despite messing with our timer in e reach) I don't know that I could vote for you due to the corp theft thing as it would support a play style that is contrary to building a community. As well as it not speaking specifically well about the choices you might make.
TLDR scamming, spying, and corp theft are a part of the game but don't speak well about the person committing them. |
Tison Odunen
TisonOdunenTax
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Posted - 2015.01.08 06:06:43 -
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commander aze wrote:Not to be that guy but I have had people back stab me before, steal the corp wallet and assets. hurts more when its a friend not sure what it says about a persons morals when representing a group of people when actions seem to support that you are out for yourself using questionable moral tactics.
I respect the NPSI fleets as I used to roam with NOIR and have worked with bombers bar back in my high sec days. And I respect the work to create and grow spectre fleet. (despite messing with our timer in e reach) I don't know that I could vote for you due to the corp theft thing as it would support a play style that is contrary to building a community. As well as it not speaking specifically well about the choices you might make.
TLDR scamming, spying, and corp theft are a part of the game but don't speak well about the person committing them.
How? They are PLAYSTYLES This is a roleplaying game isn't it? We all play a role, and all roles need to be filled. Someone has to be the bad guy. Just because someone plays a role, such as a thief or a pirate, doesn't mean they in real life will act even remotely similar. As a CSM, all that matters is what he will do out of game for us.
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Sleightz
Extra Dimensional F0RCED ENTRY.
5
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Posted - 2015.01.08 12:01:28 -
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In regards specifically to the background provided on Jayne. IGÇÖm really struggling to see how this would or could impact the CSM itself. Am I right in thinking that there have been elected CSM candidates in the past that have similar histories inside the game? Of deception and fraud within EVE, who've gone on to serve a successful term unhindered.
If you donGÇÖt like this course heGÇÖs taken in game then itGÇÖs probably because itGÇÖs contrary to your own chosen path in EVE. Which in that case, vote for your own sceneGÇÖs prospective candidate instead. Or be insightful and note that heGÇÖs aware of the various different careers in EVE, and that he would look to support them in their own right alongside his own agenda (an agenda which every candidate has).
Also I get the impression that the information being brought about here is more of a reaction from those involved in said drama, wanting to diminish JayneGÇÖs tin tin like character. In other words theyGÇÖre still disappointed and want to defame. Not genuinely worried about any consequences his election may have on the CSM.
Or maybe youGÇÖre right to bring this about, and itGÇÖs just me who canGÇÖt see how itGÇÖs relevant. I mean what are the implications of this? HeGÇÖll break the NDA and get kicked off? Start his own CSM? Steal other council memberGÇÖs treats at the summits? I just donGÇÖt get it, other than he screwed us over in a sandbox game where itGÇÖs completely permissible, and weGÇÖre still bitter.
Lastly it would seem whether people from other avenues like it or not, the NPSI way of life in EVE is now just as viable and as valid a route as any other play style in EVE. Which means it needs a representative, and I donGÇÖt see many other as well rounded and as doughy candidates as space ****** Jayne for the cause.
I also had some other more relevant questions for Jayne I scribbled down and then lost (sorreh). IGÇÖll get back to you.
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Seraph IX Basarab
Hades Effect
495
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Posted - 2015.01.08 15:42:28 -
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Sleightz wrote:In regards specifically to the background provided on Jayne. IGÇÖm really struggling to see how this would or could impact the CSM itself. Am I right in thinking that there have been elected CSM candidates in the past that have similar histories inside the game? Of deception and fraud within EVE, who've gone on to serve a successful term unhindered.
If you donGÇÖt like this course heGÇÖs taken in game then itGÇÖs probably because itGÇÖs contrary to your own chosen path in EVE. Which in that case, vote for your own sceneGÇÖs prospective candidate instead. Or be insightful and note that heGÇÖs aware of the various different careers in EVE, and that he would look to support them in their own right alongside his own agenda (an agenda which every candidate has).
Also I get the impression that the information being brought about here is more of a reaction from those involved in said drama, wanting to diminish JayneGÇÖs tin tin like character. In other words theyGÇÖre still disappointed and want to defame. Not genuinely worried about any consequences his election may have on the CSM.
Or maybe youGÇÖre right to bring this about, and itGÇÖs just me who canGÇÖt see how itGÇÖs relevant. I mean what are the implications of this? HeGÇÖll break the NDA and get kicked off? Start his own CSM? Steal other council memberGÇÖs treats at the summits? I just donGÇÖt get it, other than he screwed us over in a sandbox game where itGÇÖs completely permissible, and weGÇÖre still bitter.
Lastly it would seem whether people from other avenues like it or not, the NPSI way of life in EVE is now just as viable and as valid a route as any other play style in EVE. Which means it needs a representative, and I donGÇÖt see many other as well rounded and as doughy candidates as space ****** Jayne for the cause.
I also had some other more relevant questions for Jayne I scribbled down and then lost (sorreh). IGÇÖll get back to you.
I can't really say your impression is correct. For my own personal experience Jayne had been a junior director in my corp, a position he failed to fulfill and ended up using it as a drama mongering pulpit. I had all but stopped playing the game due to some RL obligations so his actions were more of a turn off than any direct attack on me. It was simply stupid, obnoxious and all together pointless.
Lex Arson and I are in agreement even though we've been quite adamant about attacking each other elsewhere are in agreement. Lex was another individual who was not a victim of Jayne's drama mongering either but a witness and actually an ally for the time being.
He uses Spectre Fleet and the NPSI community as his pedestal but even that was created and maintained by dishonest means. He started Spectre Fleet specifically to replace Bombers Bar. He hired mercenaries to attack Bombers Bar all the while claiming it had been other people. He set up an AWOX on Tempelman and when he quit, he used that as an opportunity to advertise his personal channel. Hell, he even tried to work with me to set it all up although I declined to be involved. I mean his whole resume, all his credentials, everything is based off of some sort of drama mongering and dishonesty. Nothing is legitimate. So what can he contribute if all his accomplishments are based on farces? mynna or whatever other "evil goon" on the CSM may have scammed or whatever, but they have legitimate accomplishments and credentials that show "yea they can actually contribute more than just that." Can Jayne say the same?
And even if that weren't a problem, he has no actual substance to make up for it with any sort of viable ideas. Any sort of criticism leveled toward him is part of some vendetta or conspiracy in his mind. The guy can't even take a critique. I doubt he's even writing his own replies (Hi NS.) He has an alt and his corp mates chiming in cheerleading and that's about as far as it will go.
Hades Effect
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FishySquirrel
Sanctuary of Shadows
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Posted - 2015.01.08 16:45:34 -
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOQ5m4btECM
On a more related note, the BB drama is hilarious to me, especially considering it's always people from BB that keep bringing it up while they usually claim to way above all the drama and had no hand in it whatsoever and that it was all done by naughty Jayne
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KanonKongen
63
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Posted - 2015.01.08 17:01:19 -
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FishySquirrel wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOQ5m4btECM
On a more related note, the BB drama is hilarious to me, especially considering it's always people from BB that keep bringing it up while they usually claim to way above all the drama and had no hand in it whatsoever and that it was all done by naughty Jayne
I literally watched this episode this morning :3 |
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