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Selinate
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Posted - 2011.12.01 06:10:00 -
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Nex apparatu5 wrote:I'm not even going to point out all the logical fallacies here, because holy ****. If someone has an issue with playing video games, they need to deal with it, it's not my problem. I don't care if a person says they're rich IRL or dying of cancer. If I steal their carrier, I'm not giving it back. Stealth Edit: Selinate wrote:The above is the biggest copout you Eve/forum nerds can come up with to be dicks. Man up and think about what you're doing sometimes... No, we're dicks because being dicks is fun, and being a **** in a video game has little/no consequences. We know exactly what we're doing.
no logical fallacies in my post. Just the same lame stupid argument you're using. Again. Man up. |
Pr1ncess Alia
Perkone Caldari State
65
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Posted - 2011.12.01 06:34:00 -
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TROLLED HARD |
Iosue
UV Heavy Industries STR8NGE BREW
26
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Posted - 2011.12.01 15:51:00 -
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Pi Muka wrote:His relapse is his own doing regardless of his reasons for it he acknowledges this.
you hit the nail on the head here. using a game to justify a relapse is pretty weaksauce. real life will undoubtedly provide many more reasons for him to repeat this should he so desire. it really comes down to him and whether or not he wants to make a change in his life. the drugs will always be there, as well as the reasons for using them. he has to make his own choice and live with those consequences. if anything, consider it an opportunity for him to practice restraint. if he can play eve with the "bad people" and refrain from using, maybe he can go out into the real world and manage to do the same. real life is where it really matters in the end. in-game friends come and go, all his stuff can be replaced with money and/or time. his RL family, friends and relationships are a different matter and are not so easily replaced. sounds like someone needs to get their priorities sorted... |
Barakkus
1107
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Posted - 2011.12.01 15:57:00 -
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Astrid Stjerna wrote:Barakkus wrote: I'v gone with what doesn't kill you only makes you stronger for the last 10 years and have refused pain meds unless ABSOLUTELY necessary from my doctor. I won't even take an asprin/tylenol/advil whatever when I have some sort of discomfort just because I know I'm weak when it comes to drugs. :)
I can certainly understand your position, but I do have to raise the general objection that if your body hurts, it's because something is wrong and it needs to be fixed. It remains your decision to take medication or not (and I'm not attempting to dispute that right), but don't let personal pride get in the way of sound judgement.
Pain medication doesn't fix anything, it only masks the pain. I currently have tendonitis (or carpal tunnel, I'm leaning towards carpal tunnel, but my doctor said probably tenodonitis) in my right writs/arm, instead of masking the pain and continue using my arm in a manner that is furthering the irritation, I adjust my usage based on the pain I feel instead of masking it and making it worse. Granted it would reduce the inflamation a bit, but wearing a brace and adjusting my usage is more beneficial to avoid the pain later, plus most pain meds do some nasty **** to you internally with prolonged usage. |
SpaceSquirrels
16
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Posted - 2011.12.01 17:29:00 -
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Actually physiologically people heal slower when in pain. The cells release various hormones/chemicals when damaged. This can impair proteins or other receptors (and specific white cells) from performing certain functions. Doesn't impede mind you, but slows down.
A body under stress after all.
Granted over doing it also comes along with physiological impairments as well (side effects). But being in constant pain which causes stress, and sleep loss uh.. no so bueno.
For the most part pain meds should be a short term solution (a couple of weeks) rather than the crutch that some people say they need. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
1299
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Posted - 2011.12.01 18:33:00 -
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Astrid Stjerna wrote:Vachir Khan wrote:It's a game, if someone perceives it to be more than just a game then that person needs his priorities checked. There are ofcourse things like friendships and all that but in the end it's still just a game about space pixels. 'It's a game' is never an excuse for treating someone so badly. Ever. Actions have consequinces, and the people we hurt in this game are real people -- but sadly, a great many of us lack the emotional maturity and/or intellectual capacity to understand such a simple concept. I'm saddened that this had to happen, and disgusted to see people trying to justify a tragedy with such a pathetic excuse.
I have a neurolinguistic disorder that causes me to have a violent, painful epilileptic fit whenever anyone tries to be an internet psychiatrist.
I trust you will never be so heartless as to cause me such agony again. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Astrid Stjerna
Teraa Matar
114
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Posted - 2011.12.01 18:36:00 -
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Malcanis wrote: I have a neurolinguistic disorder that causes me to have a violent, painful epilileptic fit whenever anyone tries to be an internet psychiatrist.
I trust you will never be so heartless as to cause me such agony again.
NI !!!! |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
1299
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Posted - 2011.12.01 18:39:00 -
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Astrid Stjerna wrote:Nex apparatu5 wrote:
No, we're dicks because being dicks is fun, and being a **** in a video game has little/no consequences. We know exactly what we're doing.
So, I can walk up and punch someone in the face during a football match? After all, it's just a football game, right? There're no consequinces in a game, are there? What's that? You've been charged with assault? Hey, just tell the judge it was only a game. He'll probably let you off with a warning, huh?
Punching someone in a game of football isn't legitimate gameplay. Tackling him high and low and taking the ball from him definitely is (in American football), and that's what happened to the hypothetical husband.
Good luck getting a judge to convict someone of robbery and assault for tackling you in a game of football, no matter how much your emotional well-being depended on your winning it.
Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Astrid Stjerna
Teraa Matar
114
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Posted - 2011.12.01 18:55:00 -
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Malcanis wrote: Punching someone in a game of football isn't legitimate gameplay. Tackling him high and low and taking the ball from him definitely is (in American football), and that's what happened to the hypothetical husband.
Good luck getting a judge to convict someone of robbery and assault for tackling you in a game of football, no matter how much your emotional well-being depended on your winning it.
If I were to tackle someone with excessive and unneccessary force, and the other player was injured, 'it was just a game' will not impress the judge. What happened to the OP's husband was entirely unncessesary, even in the context of a game -- it was an unprovoked, personal attack on someone that they knew had a serious psychological issue.
With full awareness of the potentially damaging effects of their actions, they went ahead with it anyway.
That's not gameplay, that's just sick. |
Vicker Lahn'se
Eternity Inc
21
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Posted - 2011.12.01 22:11:00 -
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Astrid Stjerna wrote:Malcanis wrote: Punching someone in a game of football isn't legitimate gameplay. Tackling him high and low and taking the ball from him definitely is (in American football), and that's what happened to the hypothetical husband.
Good luck getting a judge to convict someone of robbery and assault for tackling you in a game of football, no matter how much your emotional well-being depended on your winning it.
If I were to tackle someone with excessive and unneccessary force, and the other player was injured, 'it was just a game' will not impress the judge. What happened to the OP's husband was entirely unncessesary, even in the context of a game -- it was an unprovoked, personal attack on someone that they knew had a serious psychological issue. With full awareness of the potentially damaging effects of their actions, they went ahead with it anyway. That's not gameplay, that's just sick.
The adjective you should be considering is "permitted", not "necessary". It is not permitted in football to use enough force to injure another player. It is permitted in Eve to take a person's unprotected stuff.
Your husband could just as easily have had a fit about getting stabbed in the back by a Nightelf rogue while minding his business questing in WoW. He could have had a fit about the cashier at the corner store being rude to him. The Nightelf and the cashier are just doing as they're expected to do.
If your husband overdosed, it's his own fault. If you give him excuses like allowing him to blame a video game, then you are doing more harm to him than any of those people in the game. Anybody can find excuses anywhere.
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Astrid Stjerna
Teraa Matar
114
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Posted - 2011.12.01 22:32:00 -
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Vicker Lahn'se wrote: The adjective you should be considering is "permitted", not "necessary". It is not permitted in football to use enough force to injure another player. It is permitted in Eve to take a person's unprotected stuff.
No, I said 'neccessary' and I meant 'necessary'. it was absolutely not necessary to treat someone as badly as the OP's husband was treated -- a simple 'Hey, iour ratings got a bit skewed so we'd like your help to repair them' would have sufficed.
Instead, they engaged in an intentional, organized, collective 'snubbing', despite the fact that they were fully aware of his addiction issues, and (one presumes) the attendant emotional problems.
That is not necessary.
There is nothing --absolutely nothing -- in EVE's game mechanics that makes it 'necessary' to behave in such a reprehensible manner. It's just sickening to see someone treated like that. |
Elviraah
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2011.12.01 22:52:00 -
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Almost lost this thread, thought it got deleted for a second.
Seems it has been moved to out of pod experience. Not sure If I agree with that as it pertains to both real life and in game.
I am behind an alt, and have no intentions of revealing who I really am. Lets just say I am or was a friend of the person being talked about in this thread and I am fully aware of what has happened.
The name of the corporation that did this is Skyforger of the Tactical Narcotics Team, the decision to do this was made by the CEO Eperor with the blessing of Wilba who is the leader of the alliance.
The value of all assets taken in total was between 15-25b isk when considering nearly ready to complete super carrier was among them.
The person being spoken about in this thread had left nearly all of his in game assets inside hangers at his personl pos when he took his leave of absence. Among those assets were a large array of ships conventional and capital a great deal of resources and etc.
Do with this information what you wil..
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Susano Kurai
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.12.01 23:43:00 -
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This is a troll. Ignore this thread. I find it hard to believe that after making the initial post the original poster, having read posts from what I can understand would be confusing comments for someone unfamiliar with this game, chose to ask nothing other than what is a troll? A person who was really distressed about this would probably not have even paid attention, nor asked about what a troll was. Another key factor is that the person's husband who was so affected by this game would choose to interact with the community that caused the problem, or even continue payment of an account to make this post, makes this thread highly unlikely to be true.
If it is true... it's a video game. People who take video games so seriously that they would overdose due to it, for ANY reason, need psychiatric help. Not help from the community that caused the problem. |
Elviraah
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2011.12.02 00:01:00 -
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You can call this thread a troll all you want, but I was there. I know what happened.
As for your argument regarding the cancellation of an account, you are aware that accounts remain active until thier time paid has completed. For example, if a credit card is billed on the first of the month and the user cancels on the 2nd, the account is still playable, usable and able to use the forums until the first of the following month.
If you want to defend the actions of these people you can.
I was there, the person whom this thread is about made it VERY clear to the entire corporation his situation, how long he would be gone for. He made sure his pos had enough fuel to last well past his return date and he returned on the day he promised and the corporation took EVERYTHING from him and booted him out of the corp for a bullshit excuse which served on purpose other than to provide a reason to line the prockets of a few at the expense of a player who was very helpful to everyone in the corp who ever needed it.
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Astrid Stjerna
Teraa Matar
115
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Posted - 2011.12.02 00:37:00 -
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Susano Kurai wrote:This is a troll. Ignore this thread. I find it hard to believe that after making the initial post the original poster, having read posts from what I can understand would be confusing comments for someone unfamiliar with this game, chose to ask nothing other than what is a troll? A person who was really distressed about this would probably not have even paid attention, nor asked about what a troll was. Another key factor is that the wife who had her husband so affected by this game would choose to interact with the community that caused the problem, or even continue payment of an account to make this post, makes this thread highly unlikely to be true.
If it is true... it's a video game. People who take video games so seriously that they would overdose due to it, for ANY reason, need psychiatric help. Not help from the community that caused the problem.
This is not about 'taking the game too seriously'. This is about a group of people that willfully and intentionally carried out an action when they knew in advance that the person being targeted was suffering from serious health issues. Moreover, they knew -- in advance -- that said issues were having an adverse effect on his family life and personal stability.
I call that kind of behavior sick and sadistic. |
Landrae
Blood Angel Asylum
178
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Posted - 2011.12.02 01:50:00 -
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If you take eve so seriously that you are going to kill yourself over getting kicked by a corp you need to check yourself in you have some wayyyyyyyyyyyyy deeper issues.
Edit: I have played many MMO's over the years, been scammed a few times even had my account s hacked once or twice and been cleaned out having to completely start over. Granted I didn't have drug addiction prior (if what you say is true) The moral here is if stuff in A GAME gets to you that much it may be time to check yourself into a clinic because your problems run way deeper than being betrayed in a game. Apple was going to make a smaller version of the iPod touch for kids, until they realized that " iTouch Kids " wouldn't be an appropriate name. |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released HYDRA RELOADED
193
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Posted - 2011.12.02 02:56:00 -
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I still pretty much don't care. I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
Astrid Stjerna
Teraa Matar
117
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Posted - 2011.12.02 06:51:00 -
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Landrae wrote:If you take eve so seriously that you are going to kill yourself over getting kicked by a corp you need to check yourself in you have some wayyyyyyyyyyyyy deeper issues.
Edit: I have played many MMO's over the years, been scammed a few times even had my account s hacked once or twice and been cleaned out having to completely start over. Granted I didn't have drug addiction prior (if what you say is true) The moral here is if stuff in A GAME gets to you that much it may be time to check yourself into a clinic because your problems run way deeper than being betrayed in a game.
What you, and others like you, don't seem to comprehend is that it's not the game that caused the issue.
The person involved was eager to return to his friends, and anticipated a 'welcome back, glad you're feeling better' from the people he had come to trust. What he recieved instead was basically the people he'd come to consider 'friends' yelling 'f*** you' and tearing him to pieces.
Rehab is not easy. It's stressful, and emotional, and painful. The very last thing someone needs after that kind of rough ride is to find out that the people that they thought were their friends are going to be complete a**holes to them when they get back. |
Landrae
Blood Angel Asylum
178
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Posted - 2011.12.02 09:52:00 -
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Astrid Stjerna wrote:Landrae wrote:If you take eve so seriously that you are going to kill yourself over getting kicked by a corp you need to check yourself in you have some wayyyyyyyyyyyyy deeper issues.
Edit: I have played many MMO's over the years, been scammed a few times even had my account s hacked once or twice and been cleaned out having to completely start over. Granted I didn't have drug addiction prior (if what you say is true) The moral here is if stuff in A GAME gets to you that much it may be time to check yourself into a clinic because your problems run way deeper than being betrayed in a game. What you, and others like you, don't seem to comprehend is that it's not the game that caused the issue. The person involved was eager to return to his friends, and anticipated a 'welcome back, glad you're feeling better' from the people he had come to trust. What he recieved instead was basically the people he'd come to consider 'friends' yelling 'f*** you' and tearing him to pieces. Rehab is not easy. It's stressful, and emotional, and painful. The very last thing someone needs after that kind of rough ride is to find out that the people that they thought were their friends are going to be complete a**holes to them when they get back.
No one says its not easy but if you expect the internet to be some magical land of rainbows and gum drops you are in for a rude awakening. Apple was going to make a smaller version of the iPod touch for kids, until they realized that " iTouch Kids " wouldn't be an appropriate name. |
Pr1ncess Alia
Perkone Caldari State
65
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Posted - 2011.12.02 10:50:00 -
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Hi T The world is a mean harsh place. R My husband is a weak, pathetic failure of a man. More than that, he's one of the o-so many failures of life and evolution. If I bred with him I'd have been doing the world a disservice. O I'm probably more of a mother than a wife to him, and that is my personal failure as a human. Both in marrying him and in accepting the mother role that, no matter how hard I try at, will never fix my broken depressed burden-on-society of a husband. L The fact my husband obviously needs to be institutionalized, my solution to this problem is going on the internet and talking about this. I mean, those people were really mean. How dare reality be so REAL?!? L Internet pixels and anonymous people were the only possessions and friends he had. The entire emotion and trust structure of his personality hinged on Eve Online. The only thing keeping him from spiraling downward into oblivion was this crap spreadsheets in space video game infamous for dishonest and cutthroat people. E (well when I say downward I really mean further downward. let's face it, my husband is a loser at everything he's ever done. he spilled his cereal at breakfast this morning. after holding him until he cried himself to sleep he woke up and started his smack addiction again as it was the only way to cope with the spilt milk and cereal.) D But I digress. Why are you people so mean to him? You all did this. I just want answers. I'm concerned and I want to open a dialog with the internets. I'm completely honest and truthful and sincere in this task. H The fact that no person or couple could ever possibly be this ********, this helpless and clueless, this pathetic and degenerate should not in any way lead you to the conclusion that you are all getting TROLLED HARD. A Please internet white knights and other people, intervene and feel like a real exchange of ideas and concerns are taking place here on the eve online forums. This is important. R You are all free to have any opinions you want on this of course, because this thread needs another hit, did I say that outloud? I meant this thread needs the healing dialog that will help my husband understand his loss and will provide him the strength he needs to get back on his feet and off his addictions. D
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Deviana Sevidon
Jades Falcon Guards
118
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Posted - 2011.12.02 11:04:00 -
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it is not about a person taking a game to seriously but others people who use the: it is a game-excuse to be total dicks.
Again, while a lot of things are allowed in this game, EVE does not require you to be one.
I have also found a lot of friends in EVE, I even met some of them in real life. People I can trust with my assets and in return they can depend on me.
Many people here are not playing an dickhead on the internet, they are a **** and just use EVE as a platform and it's a game as an excuse for what they really are. |
Kalle Demos
Helix Protocol
0
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Posted - 2011.12.02 13:47:00 -
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1. Account sharing is against the EULA (had to say that) 2. Addiction comes in many forms, doesnt matter what the person is addicted to, getting addicted to one thing or another will be very easy, this is really the issue 3. Cruelty? This is no different than him being a junky then going clean and wondering why his 'friend' junkies are pissed at him
I doubt this is legit anyway but it got me to post so thats good I guess, nice that you know what ransoming is but dont know the difference between company and corporation.
Also if you go to rehab to cure an addiction, the last thing you would do when you leave rehab is restart the addiction, thats like when a fat person rewards themselve with cake after a workout, it makes as much sense as giving ******* to a junky as a reward for not doing ******* for a week.
I would say this is 100% a troll but tbh it sounds like a typical scenario that is all so common in life, if it is legit, you my dear are partially responsible for his demise.
Also who pushes their partner and forces them to tell stuff, controlling much? If you had a better understanding he would share his thoughts with you anyway |
Blood Fart
Silent Coven
24
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Posted - 2011.12.02 20:05:00 -
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So....the hubby hid in the basement getting wacked on pills and playing eve until it became a problem. Then upon returning home from rehab he almost immediately goes out, boots up and ODs and it's someone else's fault?
If you're for real I feel sorry for ya....but video games aren't the problem. What's next? Sorry, I got high because my playstation memory card won't work? Sorry hun, but could you bail me out I got arrested because the Donkey Kong machine at the corner store got unplugged and lost my high score?
Dope is the problem and it's his fault. |
Mudkest
Adventurers Matari Visionary Coalition
1
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Posted - 2011.12.03 00:48:00 -
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I'm sorry, but if anyone OD's over an internet game he has more serious issues then said internet game.
Either there are other issues that and some game merely gave the last push over the edge(and if the game did not, then something else would have not much later) adn you should look at/blame/deal with whatever got him to that point in the first place
or, if it is the games fault entirly, then the person is rather unstable to begin with and if it wasnt for the game, then something else would have pushed him over the edge sooner or later. Then again, pretty much same as the other point.
I'm sorry for your hardships, but dont put the blame on some internet game. |
CptConorado
Prophets of Freedom
0
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Posted - 2011.12.03 06:39:00 -
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Reported for user sharing, just because your husband is cray cray doesn't mean he can break the rules. |
Taedrin
Kushan Industrial
159
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Posted - 2011.12.03 06:53:00 -
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Feilamya wrote: Always remember: - Your ingame character is not you. - The ingame characters played by other players are not them. - Nothing that happens inside the game world is real.
I"m sorry, but you are so completely and totally obviously wrong.
Your ingame character is not you? So does someone take over your body when you sit in front of your computer and force your hands to move against your will while you play this game? Of course not. YOU control what your character does, therefore YOU bear the responsibility for your actions in this game. Your ingame character is nothing more than a bunch of pixels. It isn't even an artificial intelligence.
And likewise, the ingame character played by other players ARE them. THEY control the actions of their characters. when your ingame character meets someone else's ingame character, an exchange is made. MMOs *ARE* a form of human interaction. Real life friendships are torn apart because of this game. At the same time, real life friendships are forged because of this game. Marriages end in divorce because of this game. Yet also people find their soulmates in this game.
EVERYTHING that happens in this game world is real. EVE Online IS real. Hundreds of employees at CCP work day and night in order to make it real.
Now, I'm not saying that in-game actions are equivalent to their real-life analogues - because they aren't. EVE Online thrives upon scum and villainy. But people need to realize that just because EVE is a game doesn't mean that their actions don't have consequences. Your actions ALWAYS have consequences.
To the OP, I'm sorry that your husband had to go through what he did. However, it would probably be in his best interests if he does not play this game. EVE Online isn't for everyone, especially for people who cope with problems in game by taking drugs in real life. That being said, I am glad that you care enough about your husband to say something, even in possible face of ridicule. Please be as supportive of your husband as possible - it is obvious to me that he needs your love and strength now more than ever. |
Reiisha
Splint Eye Probabilities Inc. Dawn of Transcendence
9
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Posted - 2011.12.03 14:55:00 -
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Tora Oni wrote:Don't blame a game or the players who play it. This is how EVE is suppose to be. Maybe he should try another game less stressful. Hope he gets better soon.
EVE isn't "supposed" to be about backstabbing. It's supposed to be about giving you that choice.
Subtle difference, and one many people don't seem to understand. They keep forgetting that it's possible (and rewarding) to play the "good guy". |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
259
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Posted - 2011.12.03 16:31:00 -
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I am sure there are a lot of people who want to be in command of those "others" who respond easily to being told "how things are supposed to be" when given certain kinds of orders.
It can be said then that MMOs prove that nothing has changed since the fall of Berlin in 1945 and the fall of Communism in 1989.
People will just as easily line you up and shoot you and your family now as then, when given the orders to do so, and hide behind, along with a uniform and trappings of a state apparatus to shield them both from physical reprisal and their own conscience.
The disagreement with the "this is EvE" crowd shows at least that there are some people who, no matter how fancy the uniform you give them and how tall the orders, will not carry out injustice against others. Even when they can, they don't, and for that latter type of person I am proud to say that I have trained at least 1000 of them in the use of small arms.
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Percy Dovetonsils
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.12.03 17:34:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:I am sure there are a lot of people who want to be in command of those "others" who respond easily to being told "how things are supposed to be" when given certain kinds of orders. It can be said then that MMOs prove that nothing has changed since the fall of Berlin in 1945 and the fall of Communism in 1989. People will just as easily line you up and shoot you and your family now as then, when given the orders to do so, and hide behind, along with a uniform and trappings of a state apparatus to shield them both from physical reprisal and their own conscience. The disagreement with the "this is EvE" crowd shows at least that there are some people who, no matter how fancy the uniform you give them and how tall the orders, will not carry out injustice against others. Even when they can, they don't, and for that latter type of person I am proud to say that I have trained at least 1000 of them in the use of small arms.
I'm requesting a Godwin's Law ruling on this one. It is an oblique reference, but I think a reference none the less, which would thus award thread victory to those who kicked this guy from their corp. (You can't even say ****** in this forum!)
In the mean time, yay for gullibility and taking this guy's story (and even the idea that "somebody else" is posting it) completely at face value! I read it on the internet, so it must be true!
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Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
2457
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Posted - 2011.12.03 17:55:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:I am sure there are a lot of people who want to be in command of those "others" who respond easily to being told "how things are supposed to be" when given certain kinds of orders. It can be said then that MMOs prove that nothing has changed since the fall of Berlin in 1945 and the fall of Communism in 1989. People will just as easily line you up and shoot you and your family now as then, when given the orders to do so, and hide behind, along with a uniform and trappings of a state apparatus to shield them both from physical reprisal and their own conscience. The disagreement with the "this is EvE" crowd shows at least that there are some people who, no matter how fancy the uniform you give them and how tall the orders, will not carry out injustice against others. Even when they can, they don't, and for that latter type of person I am proud to say that I have trained at least 1000 of them in the use of small arms. Your list of achievements is vast and growing, you're so awesome.
CCP Zulu..... Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |
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