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Balsak
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Posted - 2003.10.21 20:35:00 -
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Edited by: Balsak on 21/10/2003 20:38:16
Edited by: Balsak on 21/10/2003 20:37:46
CCP this is your fault. I do not blame any pirates for using this. CCP you said a long time ago that Jump-In Camping wont be possible because when you spawn into a system you will be put into a random place. Well this hasn't happened. Pirates can now camp your spawn in point and kill you before you even know what has happened.
This hasnt happened to me yet but it has happened to friends and its complete bull**** to have this kind of stuff happen.
Once again I do not blame any pirates for taking advantage of this. I blame CCP for allowing it to happen.
Please fix this ASAP CCP !!
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Balsak
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Posted - 2003.10.21 20:53:00 -
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I dont care how its handled as long as when you jump in you have a chance of getting away instead of respawning in your pod.
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Balsak
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Posted - 2003.10.21 20:58:00 -
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No Rohann its not an exploit. Never said it was. Its just something stupid CCP has overlooked or wants to have people killed before they can see what is happening.
Just so everyone knows. I DONT CARE IF YOU ARE PIRATE USING THIS TO YOUR ADVANTAGE. I BLAME CCP.
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Balsak
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Posted - 2003.10.21 21:03:00 -
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Edited by: Balsak on 21/10/2003 21:04:22
I dont even consider deploying drones an exploit since you use them to defend yourself. Once again CCP needs to figure out how to remove has much load time/lag from drones.
Container lag I do consider an exploit since you have no reason to dump a pile of containers into space.
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Balsak
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Posted - 2003.10.21 21:14:00 -
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KIA this is not an option right now since innocent people have no chance. Forget lag exploits. CCPs server lags out for a few seconds and you spawn in dead. Whether PvP is broken or not right now. Allowing blind death at all is not acceptable.
Yes. Random jumpins and blocking your name from local are both excellent ideas.
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Balsak
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Posted - 2003.10.21 21:28:00 -
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Drethen that may be accpetable as long as travelling time doesnt quadruple. 20 minutes of flight time to 2 hours of loading time is not very fun either.
My real problem is when CCP said a long time ago in beta that jump in camping would not be possible in Eve. When I saw this i breathed a sigh of relief after playing games that let people camp spawn in points.
Spawn-in camping is an extremely cheap and ******* tactic but also easily fixed. Sure it may be one the few ways to catch people in the game but its not an acceptable option when people are dead before they can see anything. Instead of allowing spawn in camping to catch people CCP should give ways of catching a specific person rather than just being able to catch anyone randomly.
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Balsak
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Posted - 2003.10.21 21:38:00 -
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What it really boils down to are a couple very simple questions and answers.
1. Should there be a way in game to attack someone before they even know its happening ?
Absolutely Not
2. Whos inconvenience is the biggest problem ? Innocents being blown up unknowingly or someone trying to catch another specific player.
The Innocent person being blown up unkowingly is by far the most inconvenienced.
3. Does the fix work and not screw up other things.
Yes it better.
Everything else is really just situation specific and doesnt matter when someone is being killed unknowingly.
This thread was started to try and get the jump in camping fixed. Not to discuss why its done and why its the only way to do certain things.
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Balsak
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Posted - 2003.10.21 22:08:00 -
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Edited by: Balsak on 21/10/2003 22:10:54
Gee you Biomass Cartel guys must have a guilty conscience over this. I never once mentioned any corp over this. This is just a simple blanket request to CCP to prevent Jump In camping. The reason for this is very reasonable since it becuse you can be killed while the screen still says loading.
This thread was started by me not because I got camped and killed because I didnt but a friend of mine did. The really sad part was that he got pod killed after he paid the ransom requested. Now since it was from a pirate I really wouldn't expect anything less from a low life liar.
But again this thread is not to blame pirates or anyone who camps a jump in point. If i were a pirate I would do the exact same thing. Now im getting tired of saying this. CCP is who I blame.
Forget calling people carebears and whatnot. Its just a simple fact that there shouldnt be a way to blow someone up without them having any chance at all which is the way jump-in camping is now. Even if there is no lag from containers or drones we all know CCPs servers and the internet itself in general can lag out causing the loading screen to stay for another 10 seconds or more which is plenty of time to destroy someone.
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Balsak
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Posted - 2003.10.21 23:48:00 -
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Well you people can argue all you want about what else should be done but simpley put. Being blown up while still loading is unacceptable for all people in the game. Even if you are the most hated pirate in the game you should not be able to be killed this way. Its just plain lame.
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Balsak
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Posted - 2003.10.22 02:19:00 -
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As much as all the player pirates would hate to see jump in camping removed all you player pirates have to step back and see why jump in camping is a bad thing. Anyone who thinks that jump in camping and killing someone before they even know its happening is acceptable you have serious problems.
Dont say that because you have no other way to what ever it is you want to that makes it alright.
But dont think i want to shut down player pirates cause I dont. Removing piracy would just kill the game completely.
Heres a suggestion to you pirate people. How about grouping up in more than 2 people per group and raid empire space ? Blow up Concord or whatever races military is providing protection in that system.
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Balsak
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Posted - 2003.10.22 02:54:00 -
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It activates after loading so if you are sitting there for a couple of seconds theres plenty of time to get a lock and warp scramble on.
So yes you are screwed if your connection is lagging a little that day or if CCPs servers are lagging.
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Balsak
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Posted - 2003.10.22 02:56:00 -
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Edited by: Balsak on 22/10/2003 02:56:57
doh !! double post
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Balsak
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Posted - 2003.10.22 03:13:00 -
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Sooooo.......... because there are sentries at the gates making them very hard to camp its right to allow people to be blown up before they load.
Ummm...... yeah, ok. That makes absolutely no sense.
If there are 2 problems one doesnt make the other ok just because its a problem. They both need fixing then.
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Balsak
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Posted - 2003.10.22 03:43:00 -
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Edited by: Balsak on 22/10/2003 03:46:47
Jash please. I know you have more intelligence than this.
No matter what other problems exist they do not justify allowing someone to be blown up while loading.
Its simpley unfair to ever ask anyone to accpet the fact that when they spawn in they are dead. Tank CEO doesnt even deserve this.
Just because someone is on dial up and their invulnerability timer wears off before they load and spawn in dead is a pile of crap and you all know it.
I cant wait til one of you gets killed while loading. Ill bet any money that you will be on here *****ing and swearing at CCP to no end. Ive alrady seen you do it.
Now I will remind you all once more.
YOU CANNOT EXPECT ANYONE TO EVER ACCPET BEING KILLED WHILE THEY ARE WAITING FOR THE SYSTEM TO LOAD DUE TO A COUPLE SECONDS LAG EITHER ON CCPS END OR THE PLAYERS END. THIS THREAD ONLY HAS TO DO WITH THAT SIMPLE FACT. IF YOU FEEL YOU HAVE TO JUMP IN CAMP BECAUSE YOU CANT CAMP A GATE THEN FIND A WAY TO FIX THAT INSTEAD FIGHTING TO KEEP A LAME ASS TACTIC THAT CCP SHOULD NEVER HAVE ALLOWED AT ALL
Sorry for the yelling but some of you just don't seem to get a simple fact.
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Balsak
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Posted - 2003.10.22 05:16:00 -
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Edited by: Balsak on 22/10/2003 05:19:16
You maybe looking past whatever you think but it still doesn't make sense to allow people to get blown up blindly just so other people may have a way of catching pirates. You and I both know Jash that if you were jump in camped and lagged for a few seconds and then load up to see 3 battleships around your pod would be the first person on the boards here *****ing to CCP about changing that.
Once again and for the last damn time. This is not a thread about why jump in camping is done. This is a thread simpley stating that dieing while loding is simpley stupid and wrong. If you have problems with other aspects of the game then find solutions for them. Dont allow a lame (bug / oversight / exploit / whatever you want to call it ) to fix another problem.
Past problems with catching pirates as well as the current ones have nothing to do with killing while loading.
Now im ******* done with this thread. Enough dumb people have posted here saying the same old crap over and over completely forgetting the real point. They are all just interested in keeping thier oh so precious way of feeling powerful and uber.
I guess boards for all games are the same. No one has any sense of balance. Its either full on carebear or full on anarchy. My post count from this thread alone probably more than tripled my post count here and its probably about to stop where its at now. I got better things to do than to explain simple things to people.
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Balsak
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Posted - 2003.10.22 07:34:00 -
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Well I was done here.
Jash if you wanna keep blowing something as simple as dieing while loading into a pile of other crap then you keep doing that. I dont care anymore. You still have to know that in any game at anytime if a player dies while the game is still loading an area its just completely wrong. Oh yeah I also said I dont care what the fix is AS LONG AS IT DOESNT SCREW UP OTHER THINGS. Thats not saying I dont care no matter what. I will also repeat this part one more time just for you. Just because theres a problem with trapping a player pirate to kill now, that doesnt make it right to be able to just kill someone while they are still loading.
Tank I agree with you 100% on all you said. I hope you agree with what im saying though too Tank. Loading screen death is just plain wrong for anyone in any agme.
I dont want to make a pirates life impossible in Eve. But I also dont want to be giving them free lunches as well. Which is what jump in camping is doing.
Id much rather see gate camping than jump in camping. Jumping into system now is like being blindfolded then told you have to fight someone the first round like this.
What are people gonna think when they jump and when the game finally loads they are in a station wondering WTF just happened ?? This is grounds for people filing petitions and leaving the game.
Now for those that have read everything ive had to say in this thread and still believe that being killed while you are still loading is right. JUST GO AWAY !!
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Balsak
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Posted - 2003.10.22 19:34:00 -
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Edited by: Balsak on 22/10/2003 19:46:00
Edited by: Balsak on 22/10/2003 19:38:04
Edited by: Balsak on 22/10/2003 19:35:49
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A) I'm so sick of the whiners that insist that anything in this game that can get you killed by another player is an exploit.
B) I'm even more sick of CCP appeasing these whiners.
I must assume the majority of you are this kind of whiner and that's why CCP is always always always appeasing this kind of whiner to maintain their customer base.
I think your mommy's calling you. It's time for you to drink your juice and watch your CareBears video.
-CR
Dude you gotta be kidding me. Im not calling it an exploit nor am I a person whos been on the forums often asking for many changes.
PLAIN AND SIMPLE. THIS IS ABOUT BEING KILLED WHILE YOU ARE LOADING. I DONT CARE ABOUT PIRATES KILLING PEOPLE. I ONLY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH BEING ABLE TO BE KILLED BEFORE YOU CAN EVEN SEE YOUR SHIP.
BEING KILLED WHILE LOADING IS NOT A PART OF THE GAME. THIS IS NOT ABOUT BEING A CAREBEAR AND MAKING LIFE IN EVE EASY. I BELIEVE LIFE IN EVE IS TOO EASY ATM.
If you cant understand that dieing while loading is just simpley unfair to EVERYONE in Eve (or any game) then you have a serious mental problem.
I can understand all the reasons given by people on why they think that jump in camping is needed . But allowing blind death is not a fix for those problems at all. Those problems need to be fixed in other ways.
So now I hope that this thread gets looked at by CCP and at the same time gets locked because this thread got tunred into something that has absolutely nothing to do with my original post.
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Balsak
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Posted - 2003.10.22 20:26:00 -
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Thanks for the uncalled for insult Rohann 
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Balsak
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Posted - 2003.10.22 23:28:00 -
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Edited by: Balsak on 22/10/2003 23:30:51
Thank you Ana. You did a much better job of explaing what I was saying than I could. hehe
You keep missing the boat on this completely though Jash. Being destroyed while loading in any game has never been allowed for one simple reason. Its just not a game when you die that way. If death wasn't so costly in Eve then leaving things the way they are now whould be fine. I wouldnt like it but atleast it would be affordable. But since death is so costly in Eve this is simply not ok.
Yes there are problems with catching someone you may be after but that still doesnt justify allowing people to be blown up before they even know they are under attack. You wanted to keep putting your own words in my mouth. I never once said that a person should be able to get away 100% of the time or that the fix needs to come no matter what happens. Im done repeating what ive always said from the beginning. Hope it finally sinks in Jash.
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