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Balsak
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Posted - 2003.10.21 20:35:00 -
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Edited by: Balsak on 21/10/2003 20:38:16
Edited by: Balsak on 21/10/2003 20:37:46
CCP this is your fault. I do not blame any pirates for using this. CCP you said a long time ago that Jump-In Camping wont be possible because when you spawn into a system you will be put into a random place. Well this hasn't happened. Pirates can now camp your spawn in point and kill you before you even know what has happened.
This hasnt happened to me yet but it has happened to friends and its complete bull**** to have this kind of stuff happen.
Once again I do not blame any pirates for taking advantage of this. I blame CCP for allowing it to happen.
Please fix this ASAP CCP !!
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Hippey
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Posted - 2003.10.21 20:38:00 -
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Yeah really how hard would this be? Every spot has a XYZ coordinate so why not just random generate an X, Y, and Z value in whatever range it fits, and you get placed there?
I mean really, the jump in point is either by a planet or out in the middle of nowhere. So why not just make it a random point?
Pirates can still camp the gates. I don't see the problem, but I do see lots of people getting ****ed at you for this.
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MOOstradamus
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Posted - 2003.10.21 20:43:00 -
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/me totally agrees as should be evident by the exploit petition I raised last week !!
MOOrovingian  "Following & supporting EVE (since Jan 2001) is like wiping your arse with sandpaper."
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2003.10.21 20:47:00 -
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As far as I know it will be stopped next patch with clients loading fully before entering a system.
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.10.21 20:48:00 -
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Edited by: Jash Illian on 21/10/2003 20:49:40
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Yeah really how hard would this be? Every spot has a XYZ coordinate so why not just random generate an X, Y, and Z value in whatever range it fits, and you get placed there?
I mean really, the jump in point is either by a planet or out in the middle of nowhere. So why not just make it a random point?
Pirates can still camp the gates. I don't see the problem, but I do see lots of people getting ****ed at you for this.
Known jump in locations actually are necessary. A totally random jump point would make catching anyone impossible, regardless of whether they were a pirate or you.
for example purposes only:
1) Oracle camps all stargates in Egbinger.
2) Hardin jumps in to completely random jump point.
3) Hardin sees Oracle all over the local list.
4) Hardin logs out for the next 2 hours and plays an alt.
Can you blockade every stargate in a system 23/7? What about some place like Amamake? I think there are about 15+ stations there. That solarsystem is a nightmare to chase anyone in. I've tried. I failed. Along with about 10+ others and the people we were chasing were kind enough not to use midwarp bookmarks.
A balance has to be struck between knowing where a person might enter the solar system and providing the person entering a reasonable chance of not slamming headfirst into a blockade. Otherwise, people will avoid combat far too easily.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Balsak
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Posted - 2003.10.21 20:53:00 -
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I dont care how its handled as long as when you jump in you have a chance of getting away instead of respawning in your pod.
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Rohann
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Posted - 2003.10.21 20:56:00 -
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Camping jump in points is not an 'exploit' the GM's have already said so.
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Balsak
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Posted - 2003.10.21 20:58:00 -
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No Rohann its not an exploit. Never said it was. Its just something stupid CCP has overlooked or wants to have people killed before they can see what is happening.
Just so everyone knows. I DONT CARE IF YOU ARE PIRATE USING THIS TO YOUR ADVANTAGE. I BLAME CCP.
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2003.10.21 20:58:00 -
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Camping them no, deploying drones and container for the pure purpose of generating lag yes.
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Balsak
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Posted - 2003.10.21 21:03:00 -
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Edited by: Balsak on 21/10/2003 21:04:22
I dont even consider deploying drones an exploit since you use them to defend yourself. Once again CCP needs to figure out how to remove has much load time/lag from drones.
Container lag I do consider an exploit since you have no reason to dump a pile of containers into space.
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2003.10.21 21:05:00 -
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Drones are easy enough to launch at the sign of an inbound ship. Keeping them out all the time is exploiting a weakness in the system.
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Ana Khouri
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Posted - 2003.10.21 21:07:00 -
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@ Jash Illian:
We need two things IMO - random jump-ins *and* a option not to be present in the local chat.
The presence in local makes any raids impossible, since everyone with eyes will be warned long before you are actually with them.
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Jarjar
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Posted - 2003.10.21 21:07:00 -
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Edited by: Jarjar on 21/10/2003 21:07:32
Drones make very little lag right now, at least when I last tried a few days ago. I warped into a (friendly, ofc) blockade with a few drones out (20?), 4 ships or so, loaded in less than 2 (!) seconds. Felt like the gate was empty.
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KIAInkZ
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Posted - 2003.10.21 21:07:00 -
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unfortunately, until pvp is sorted, caping spawns is the only way of actually catching anyone. It's a necessity.
They can't fix that until they fix the pvp, or it will be impossible to die.
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2003.10.21 21:11:00 -
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KIA, adding modules like mobile refinaries and making them costly will make them hotspots for shootouts, abandon the platform or die trying to save it?
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.10.21 21:11:00 -
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Yeah, I've noticed the lag during battles and/or warping to gates is minimal even when the enemy has drones out since the new hardware was installed.
The invulnerability timer happens to get in the way lately and you find yourself frantically locking while the magnetic field crap disappears.
I'd like to see the 10 second invul time cut to 7.5 seconds or even 5.
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Hummus
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Posted - 2003.10.21 21:12:00 -
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Edited by: Hummus on 21/10/2003 21:18:28
Well, it happened to me the first weekend in October. I jumped into a 0.4 on my way back from doing an agent mission.
Jumped into 4 Pirate Battleships with a full complement of drones to generate lag. by the time the system loaded up, I was already warpjammed and at about 60% armor. I lost my (insured) Scorpion all of some of my best guns, and FOUR implants.
Now I don't blame the 4 guys that ganged up on me, but I fully blame CCP for the rediculous oversight. So, to voice my disgust I wrote a scathing petition because all that time lost lost doing missions to get 4 implants. Because that annoyed me 100x more than losing the ship.
Heck, with the insurance payoff I could have bought the Raven I was saving for. Anyway, I resigned as CEO of my small corp, gave all my remaining gear and cash to my corp, started training Ref Eff5 (in case I changed my mind), and cancelled my EVE account. It's just incomprehensible to me to spend another minute or red cent playing a game where all your work can be blown up with you powerless to do anything about it for the most critical part of it (before they lock on you and jam you).
I haven't logged in since and I only checked the boards today o see if it was changed yet. From the look of this thread and the rediculous replies to my petition, this hasn't been changed.
One more lost customer to CCP.
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Balsak
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Posted - 2003.10.21 21:14:00 -
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KIA this is not an option right now since innocent people have no chance. Forget lag exploits. CCPs server lags out for a few seconds and you spawn in dead. Whether PvP is broken or not right now. Allowing blind death at all is not acceptable.
Yes. Random jumpins and blocking your name from local are both excellent ideas.
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2003.10.21 21:21:00 -
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Is that the cheap cloaking device *****ble to every ship, blocking your name in local? 
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Drethen Nerevitas
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Posted - 2003.10.21 21:21:00 -
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Need to dodge local, yes.
RANDOM JUMP IN POINTS ARE NOT THE ANSWER.
(Just gone looking through the history junk-I think they removed the bit I was looking for that told you why you could only arrive in a 200km (approx) wide area  ) If you look at how jumpgates work, it doesn't even make sense for it to be a random jumpin. Can't anyone be satisfied with the ship-won't-show-till-you-load thing?-which will also help you at gates?
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KIAInkZ
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Posted - 2003.10.21 21:22:00 -
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Edited by: KIAInkZ on 21/10/2003 21:23:59
The jumpin camping problem is easily avoided by scouting with alts. Dangerous systems are clearly marked on your autopilot.
I would NEVER jump into a 0.4 or below known pirate system without scouting first.
These systems are clearly marked by showing destroyed ships in last 24 hours etc.
I think cancelling your account is a little excessive. Learn your lesson, and don't make the same mistake again.
A little time spent researching your route can save your ship.
The jumpin problem has to stop, but only CCP can do this. Until then, using the methods above will keep you fairly safe.
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Balsak
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Posted - 2003.10.21 21:28:00 -
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Drethen that may be accpetable as long as travelling time doesnt quadruple. 20 minutes of flight time to 2 hours of loading time is not very fun either.
My real problem is when CCP said a long time ago in beta that jump in camping would not be possible in Eve. When I saw this i breathed a sigh of relief after playing games that let people camp spawn in points.
Spawn-in camping is an extremely cheap and ******* tactic but also easily fixed. Sure it may be one the few ways to catch people in the game but its not an acceptable option when people are dead before they can see anything. Instead of allowing spawn in camping to catch people CCP should give ways of catching a specific person rather than just being able to catch anyone randomly.
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Drethen Nerevitas
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Posted - 2003.10.21 21:28:00 -
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Or you can fly a cheap as dirt ship Inkz .
"*****" is blocked?! 
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Drethen Nerevitas
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Posted - 2003.10.21 21:31:00 -
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If your ship doesn't appear till you've loaded the screen, it's no different to warping in to attack someone at the gate/belt/planet/station. Wow. So they have their drones out, right, lemme see you need 0.2 seconds to zoom your cam out, 0.5 seconds to release your drones...every second counts in combat, yes, but come on this is ridiculous.
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Hummus
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Posted - 2003.10.21 21:31:00 -
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So what you're sayin KIA is that it's my fault that I didn't scout the routes on every one of my 120 agent missions with an alt?
Ya, ok I'll buy that... for about 1/100th of a second. Do you realize how long that would take, especially with the 4 or 5 17+ jump agent missions I was burdened with that day?
I'd rather mine scordite all day with a sharpened pencil stuck in my right eye than have to do that constantly. Because it's due to coding thought up by a retarded baboon, not part of the mechanics of a game I want to be a part of anymore, thx.
Anyway, good luck to everyone who's still playing and hopefully this gets fixed. But it doesn't look like I'll be un-cancelling before Oct. 25th after all.
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Ana Khouri
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Posted - 2003.10.21 21:37:00 -
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If your ship doesn't appear till you've loaded the screen, it's no different to warping in to attack someone at the gate/belt/planet/station.
Your ship appears BEFORE your screen is loaded when you jump into a new system.
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Balsak
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Posted - 2003.10.21 21:38:00 -
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What it really boils down to are a couple very simple questions and answers.
1. Should there be a way in game to attack someone before they even know its happening ?
Absolutely Not
2. Whos inconvenience is the biggest problem ? Innocents being blown up unknowingly or someone trying to catch another specific player.
The Innocent person being blown up unkowingly is by far the most inconvenienced.
3. Does the fix work and not screw up other things.
Yes it better.
Everything else is really just situation specific and doesnt matter when someone is being killed unknowingly.
This thread was started to try and get the jump in camping fixed. Not to discuss why its done and why its the only way to do certain things.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.10.21 21:39:00 -
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Quote:
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If your ship doesn't appear till you've loaded the screen, it's no different to warping in to attack someone at the gate/belt/planet/station.
Your ship appears BEFORE your screen is loaded when you jump into a new system.
Yup, the campers see you a fair while before you see them.
If you're using autopilot you can usually have a bit of invulnerability which saves your ship but it isn't too reliable.
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2003.10.21 21:43:00 -
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The problem of course being that this isn't how it is now but how it will be, there's an o' so subtle difference there called time.
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Havocide
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Posted - 2003.10.21 21:50:00 -
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Gate camping has been removed in all of empire space now unless u have a number of dedicated bbs jamming the sentries which forces us to camp jumpin points as its the only way to get pvp inside empire space now carebears brought it on themselves, there was no need to introduce sentries to 0.4 and lower...
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