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Siigari Kitawa Gallente HelpCorp United	Posted - 2006.09.17 22:53:00 - [61] I remember mining in my Celestis with a group of friends once. We were in a 0.5 actually, mining Jaspet. I was happily mining away, we had some covetors and a Brutix. Everyone had out their mining drones, so we were this fantastically beautiful target for a can steal. So this guy in a Curse comes by and decides he wants to play a game. He pops our can and puts the ore into his. Before he even realizes that he's the one that's been tricked, he's webbed, scrambled, and JAMMED. While I call out the infiltrator IIs on him, my backup one system over shows up in a Raven, and bye-bye Curse. He said some words in local, then left. Gotta be smart :)
Zabriele	Posted - 2006.09.17 22:59:00 - [62] Originally by: Siigari Kitawa I remember mining in my Celestis with a group of friends once. We were in a 0.5 actually, mining Jaspet. I was happily mining away, we had some covetors and a Brutix. Everyone had out their mining drones, so we were this fantastically beautiful target for a can steal. So this guy in a Curse comes by and decides he wants to play a game. He pops our can and puts the ore into his. Before he even realizes that he's the one that's been tricked, he's webbed, scrambled, and JAMMED. While I call out the infiltrator IIs on him, my backup one system over shows up in a Raven, and bye-bye Curse. He said some words in local, then left. Gotta be smart :) Hehe nice..wish there were more people doing stuff like this to act as a deterrant to these cowards.
Brisi Sniggerdly	Posted - 2006.09.17 23:09:00 - [63] Okay, natural selection ftw then. Anyway, there's no way to be constructive to this when your posts are anything but construcive, they're just rants. Other players have tried throughout the thread to be constructive, and you've continuesly preached on about how the game is flawed, and how GM's are misleading you. If you had done any research on this game at all, asked anyone in local or your corp chat, you'd have known that by attacking (key word here, let me say it again: "attacking") someone, he'd be able to fire back at you. Then you get shot down through your own stupidity, and you come here to whine and *** and say that you've closed your accounts because of this. Who here gives a rat's ass? You're quitting anyway, and we already know how the game mechanics work. Originally by:** Zabrielle ...and by the way i lost everything i worked for over the last month and a bit "Don't put all your eggs in one basked" comes to mind here. EVE has a steep learning curve, and people who can't handle it, or one or two (major or minor) setbacks gets filtered out by natural selection (hence the Darwin comment). EVE is a dog eat dog world, only the strongest survive. Now go back to whatever little fantasy mmo you came from, where Dev's will hold your hand and tell you everything is fine when you **** up. Good riddance. Natural selection ftw. I am Brisi, I am as One. Resistance is fertile.
Shiraz Merlot Octavian Vanguard RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.09.17 23:13:00 - [64] http://support.eve-online.com/Pages/KB/Article.aspx?id=173 "Please note that no matter where you are, there is no absolute guarantee you will not be attacked. Concord hands out retribution, but cannot promise constant protection." But to the OP, seriously, you shot at him! Ignorance of the game mechanics is not grounds for appeal. Unless you're only six, in which case perhaps your mummy can help you play eve.
Cmdr Baxter Caldari	Posted - 2006.09.17 23:13:00 - [65] Edited by: Cmdr Baxter on 17/09/2006 23:13:57 Well, they're not quite cowards, but at the same time, I wouldn't exactly call them the best and brightest criminals out there. What they've found is a niche to practice their work in, and that's the beauty of EVE. In my travels, I've encountered everything from pirates, to rats (NPC pirates), paramilitaries, traders, miners, scientists, ammunition producers, etc. Every one of them a participant in what is not only a massive galaxy, but a massive economy. There are so many paths that one can take, that it's inevitable that some would turn to a life of crime. In the scenario that you were in, you just happened to encounter a criminal who was a little bit prepared than you were. So don't cry about it. Don't bluster and threaten to cancel your account. Get up, dust yourself off, and break out that Iteron from storage. Sure, it'll be a bit of hard work before you're back up to where you were ..... ..... But hey, you'll be a little bit smarter in the long run, courtesy of some can thief who decided to ruin your day. Welcome to one side of EVE, by the way. I hope you find the more law-abiding side soon. Commanding Officer C.C.S. Aurora C.C.S. Imperator
DropZone 187	Posted - 2006.09.17 23:31:00 - [66] Not sure which is funnier - the original post or the continued attention from the forum trolls it is recieving. On one hand, really sorry for your loss. It can be quite devastating to realise that you should have spent more time learning the mechanics of the game in order to prevent stupidity from rearing its ugly head.... On the other hand, great to see that the mechanics worked and you got bar-b-q'ed like you were supposed to. Nothing about this game is consentual and if you don't like it, move along, it isn't the game for you. WoW is next door on the left. Yes the snig guy is right - darwanism at its best. To bad we couldn't have a 'I am quiting because bo-bo the clown wtfpwned me' thread without some troll asking for his stuff. Come on, he is a noob, where is the integrity? Oops, that would be too much to hope for (the integrity part) from forum trolls....
Galan Amarias	Posted - 2006.09.18 02:13:00 - [67] Originally by: Zabriele Hehe nice..wish there were more people doing stuff like this to act as a deterrant to these cowards.[/quote Zab, There are lots of people like this. But the reason there can be people like this is the same reason that the other guy could do what he did. Unlike dang near every other MMO out there it's not the players versus the NPC in EVE. The primary antoginists in this game are the players. We all get to go after each other. furthermore unlike all other MMO with BS artificial rules preventing player interaction. In EVE anything you could conceivably do with a space ship can be done, hence attacking in "hi-sec" isn't impossible it just gets you killed, unless the other guy is smart. That means that yes EVE has a harder learning curve than say WOW. It also meand there are ass hats flying arrund attacking noobs, but you find that sort of low life in all MMO. It's valid play, just lame. Finally you were flying a Ferrox! That's a BC, and though yes you can get the skills to fly one in a month or two you should not do it! They are too expensive for your available income. Also, Did you notice how you "jetisoned" the cargo to make your can? Jetcan mining is not intuitive so you must have read up on it so you should have also been able to read about the consequences. More importantly the word jetison implies thrown away, or insecure. So of course someone can steal it. Finally, he didn't make you shoot him. He just provided you the oppurtounity to shoot him w/o concord interference. you chose to engage him and then rather than face the consequences of your fight or try to talk to him on local, you logged off. Logging off is an attempt to exploit mechanics of a game designed to shelter aginst connection loss. You thought it would save you. The only person trying for an exploit here is you.
Dred'Pirate Jesus Imperial Academy	Posted - 2006.09.18 02:13:00 - [68] Originally by: Zabriele Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus Actually Zab there two great places to find all that info.. The Player Guide and the Crime and Punishment section of the forums. Didn't read any of that I'm guessing? Hmm have you read them?..does it decribe this situation there anywhere.. Stickyfied right at the top of the crime and punishment section.. Look to the bottom of the post. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=339264 ___________________________________________________________________________________________________ [2:02:08] Dred'Pirate Jesus > I'm Mexican you dolt.. It's pronouced "hey zeus" not "gee zus" :
Rehmes	Posted - 2006.09.18 02:38:00 - [69] Dude if u read all the places where this game is reviewed u would know ahead of time thats its not for the fait of heart. Here my introduction into this game 4 months ago. -Cruising in my shuttle in .4...got sniped my a mega. -Was jumping to jita someone locked me i shot back....guess what? i died a horrible death to turrets/concord. -Was passing by a .4 system got sniped by a tempest/geddon. -was doing a complex w friends a stabber jumps in and rapes us all. All of these were noob mistakes i made yet i didnt come and cry in forums because of the unfairness, i laughed my ass of because at the time i didnt know wth had happened. U simply learn and become stronger. This is a PVP game, and while it offers other paths to make a living there will always be risks involved even at 1.0. When i shot at the guy who targeted me while approaching the gate i got the message DONT SHOOT PEOPLE IN GATES W CONCORD!!! so now i dont. So just brush it off and keep going dude, the game is a good and theres much fun to be had. SImply join a group of like-minded folks and im sure theyll help u get back on ur feet. If ur just gonna quit cuz some vet messed u up then dont play any of the established games (even WOW has vets pking noobs) its natural for vets to go out of their way to grief at times. BTW new players who learn to play correctly can give vets a run for their money so dont fret.
Concero	Posted - 2006.09.18 04:05:00 - [70] Originally by: Zabriele Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus Edited by: Dred''Pirate Jesus on 17/09/2006 21:12:49 zab.. how in blazes did you lose all your stuff on 2 accounts if you were mining in a ferox at the time of the incident?! Somehow i dont think it would all fit in the feroxs hold.. i sold everything i had minus a indy3 on one account in order to get the ferox to boost my mining rates You do know that a 4 odd mill isk Osprey will outmine a Ferox if you get caldari cruiser lvl 3 or 4. Yeah it does suck that you lost an uninsured ship. It also sucks that 'vet' players can use the game mechanics to victimise newer players. This wasn't piracy in any shape or form imo, this was school yard bully tactics. But biggest rule in EVE seems to be don't fly what you can't afford to loose. Rather than quit get a bantam with 2 miner 2's and get back out there. You would be surprised just how quickly you can make your money back.
nahtoh Caldari Bull Industries	Posted - 2006.09.18 04:15:00 - [71] Originally by: Zabriele Originally by: W1ck3d 8uZz agreed... ferox with missiles should be able to win that fight in offline mode too Mybe it was an ELITE frig, Zabriele? I have no idea what type of frigate it was...i thot i would be able to win also...my first fight ever in PvP..i havent even really done very many missions.when i logged my shields were about to drop.I didnt even get his shields down. Pls just stop posting youare making yourself look worse every time you post...you did not check his ship type, you thought concord would protect you if you opened fire first, you tried to log to save your ship...I second what everybody else said you won't be missed... ========= "I am not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why can`t we just take the safety labels off everything and let the problem fix its self
Goliath Scorpion The Buggers	Posted - 2006.09.18 04:26:00 - [72] This thread rules. Go be that guy on mmorpg.com who reposts his huge bad review every day.
Maria Ravenwind Gallente Infinity Enterprises Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.09.18 04:46:00 - [73] Well at this point I acknowlegde the fact that it is now pointless and moot for me to post a reply, but I will anyway because it's just so gosh darn much fun! Zab, I'm going to do you a favor and tell you what to do: Stop. You're already going in the right direction, go ahead and cancel your two accounts. The next step is to stop visiting this forum and posting. I'm not trying to be mean, but it takes a certain type of person to play this hostile game, and you're obviously not one of them. Save yourself some RL money and some RL stress, and cut yourself off. He did not agress first, you did. He stole you can. ****ty, but perfectly within game mechanics. You shot him first, in high sec. YOu can do WHATEVER you WANT in high sec, as long as you fully accept the consenquences. He WANTED a fight. You gave it to him by falling for his trap. Im sorry you feel this way about such a great game, but you will accomplish absolutely nothing by posting in here as we are not all vets, but very very very passionate about this game. Goodbye Zab. Thanks for the laughs, and goodluck in both RL and your next MMO. You might just want to stick to a game where you are the only pwner. I hate my Exclamation mark! I Am No Alt.
Firebyrd Gallente Crooked River Productions	Posted - 2006.09.18 04:49:00 - [74] To the OP we have all been there, like someone else said at 1 time we had no defense against said tactics, now we do, but you learn from your mistakes and move on... yes its frustrating at times.... But i was telling someone earlier, which is better letting them take maybe 3-5 mill in ore, or losing a 20-90 mill mining setup...depending on what ship you have setup for mining... 1 time i lost about 2 bill in future possible earnings(180 Apoc BPCs) moving my stuff from one system to another due to the 1 min timer on jump gates, found out that u have to wait 1 min after turning off your weaps to jump... o well live and learn... yea there are some who thrive to grief others, but one thing you'll have to remember this Game is based on PvP, from 0.0 to 1.0... i have had cans stolen, have had cans blown up... its part of the game, seems you, like me when i first started playing was expecting something like other games i had played before, and had to throw out the style of play i was used to...and learn a new one... this is a cool game, been here almost 3 yrs... give it some time... ----------------------------------------------- In the End , there can be only 1 Learn from yesterday, that u may be stronger tomorrow
Baleorg Gallente Guys of Sarcasm	Posted - 2006.09.18 04:58:00 - [75] Originally by: Zabriele Characters slated for termination /accounts cancelled. heh, canceles once as i was kiled, reactivated the next day (was not even end of payment cycle) in my early days... now i just laugh :-] --- BTW: A GOOD Cache-Cleaner
Baleorg Gallente Guys of Sarcasm	Posted - 2006.09.18 05:00:00 - [76] Originally by: Firebyrd moving my stuff from one system to another due to the 1 min timer on jump gates, found out that u have to wait 1 min after turning off your weaps to jump... afaik its above 30sec --- BTW: A GOOD Cache-Cleaner
Firebyrd Gallente Crooked River Productions	Posted - 2006.09.18 05:06:00 - [77] Originally by: Baleorg Originally by: Firebyrd moving my stuff from one system to another due to the 1 min timer on jump gates, found out that u have to wait 1 min after turning off your weaps to jump... afaik its above 30sec i checked the logs and from turrent disable to being popped it was 50 seconds, soon as the ship was popped my pod jumped thru the gate, course this was going from a 0.4 to a 0.5, had i known about the timer, wouldnt have returned fire on the 2 camping the gate, since my AB got me to the gate , and sat there for about 20-30 seconds waiting to jump, and when u try to jump it tells u u cant due to activating weapons ----------------------------------------------- In the End , there can be only 1 Learn from yesterday, that u may be stronger tomorrow
Lucius Malvek	Posted - 2006.09.18 05:29:00 - [78] Originally by: Goliath Scorpion This thread rules. Go be that guy on mmorpg.com who reposts his huge bad review every day. QFE
Rick Dentill Lynx Frontier Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.09.18 07:53:00 - [79] Originally by: Zabriele Nah i lost all enjoyment for this game atm. It happens when you lose expensive boats. You can either pick yourself up, dust yourself off and dive back in a little wiser. Or you could quit. As to your comment on solo play. You don't have to join corps, but on your own you are only making it harder for yourself. _______ http://x-universe.kiwi.nu/page.php?id=dd
Crumplecorn Gallente Aerial Boundaries Inc. Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.09.18 08:42:00 - [80] I <3 Natural Selection! ---------- Nerf Caldaro!
Laythun Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.09.18 08:43:00 - [81] Originally by: Crumplecorn I <3 Natural Selection! This thread is the best read today. *See You In Space Cowboy*[/url]
thatguyinpc	Posted - 2006.09.18 21:25:00 - [82] Hi gang, Just thought IÆd throw my 2 isk in. Since this tactic is obviously targeted at newer inexperienced players, I think itÆs appropriate that a pop up warning comes up when your can is stolen from explaining what has occurred, and maybe even your options and the consequences there of. I can certainly understand, (and the rest of you that are honest can also) that when you are new and a player starts flashing red to you, you think youÆve been attacked, and therefore are only defending yourself until concord arrives. This would not hinder game mechanics, only help teach our newer players who are at their most vulnerable. Guy
Sonlatur Minmatar Matari Raiders	Posted - 2006.09.18 21:42:00 - [83] So you shot at someone and are surprised that it got violent? But i dont want to just rant - sleep about leaving, with your skills you'll get the money much faster than last time. Especially if you dare to venture into lower sec than .9. Honestly dont really understand why you're mining in .9 with a bcruiser. Could easily be leaching Omber in .6... But as for your griefing whine... hell, you shot at him. What do you expect? -- "Greetings fellow pod pilot. I am Sonlatur of the Sebiestor tribe and you have become a target in my war against the Evil Amarr Empire. Ransom negotiations are possible."
Sonlatur Minmatar Matari Raiders	Posted - 2006.09.18 21:43:00 - [84] So you shot at someone and are surprised that it got violent? But i dont want to just rant - sleep about leaving, with your skills you'll get the money much faster than last time. Especially if you dare to venture into lower sec than .9. Honestly dont really understand why you're mining in .9 with a bcruiser. Could easily be leaching Omber in .6... But as for your griefing whine... hell, you shot at him. What do you expect? -- "Greetings fellow pod pilot. I am Sonlatur of the Sebiestor tribe and you have become a target in my war against the Evil Amarr Empire. Ransom negotiations are possible."
Nanobotter Mk2	Posted - 2006.09.18 22:37:00 - [85] "Now the moral of the story is: If someone steals your can, DO NOT shoot them unless you know you can win! " right because we all know new players and specifically player out mining are outfitted to be able to kill someone... get a farking brain. this is a stupid exploit that should be fixed. Noone mining is gonna be able to kill someguy in a combat ship farking with thier can. Please no stupid response about how some noob mining is supposed to run to a station get his combat ship and come back and pwn the guy...
Leianna Caldari Entropy Tech.	Posted - 2006.09.19 00:15:00 - [86] Originally by: Nanobotter Mk2 "Now the moral of the story is: If someone steals your can, DO NOT shoot them unless you know you can win! " right because we all know new players and specifically player out mining are outfitted to be able to kill someone... get a farking brain. this is a stupid exploit that should be fixed. Noone mining is gonna be able to kill someguy in a combat ship farking with thier can. Please no stupid response about how some noob mining is supposed to run to a station get his combat ship and come back and pwn the guy... Seriously one of the dumbest posts in this stupid thread. Stealing ore from an jettison can is NOT an exploit. So stop friggin whining about it, instead, DO something about it, like: -USE SECURE CONTAINERS, NOT JETTISON CANS. -Join a player corp that can handle themselves, and fend off any would-be thieves. ======================== Entropy Tech. Oipo II - Moon 19 Ishukone Watch Logistics
nahtoh Caldari Bull Industries	Posted - 2006.09.19 02:12:00 - [87] Edited by: nahtoh on 19/09/2006 02:15:00 Originally by: Nanobotter Mk2 "Now the moral of the story is: If someone steals your can, DO NOT shoot them unless you know you can win! " right because we all know new players and specifically player out mining are outfitted to be able to kill someone... get a farking brain. this is a stupid exploit that should be fixed. Noone mining is gonna be able to kill someguy in a combat ship farking with thier can. Please no stupid response about how some noob mining is supposed to run to a station get his combat ship and come back and pwn the guy... How about less "waah I shot him then he poped my ship" posts? And while we are at it can we less "everybody that disagrees must do it to other newbies as well? I it had not been this then it would have been something else... ========= "I am not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why can`t we just take the safety labels off everything and let the problem fix its self

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