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Zabriele	Posted - 2006.09.17 18:10:00 - [1] How come space in 0.9 scurity status area is clearly not secure..yes im a newb and i just got pwned by some little jerk whos been playing for a year+...i lost everything i had....i intentionally went to this area with the mistaken belief that this area was secure..obviously it isnt..good job CCP for being misleading in the facts..and by the way i lost everything i worked for over the last month and a bit..you lost 2 accounts
Dred'Pirate Jesus Imperial Academy	Posted - 2006.09.17 18:13:00 - [2] Could you give us a bit of detail about what happened? Did he steal from your jet can and then you stole it back or what? [2:02:08] Dred'Pirate Jesus > I'm Mexican you dolt.. It's pronouced "hey zeus" not "gee zus" :-p
Vistilantus Caldari Vistilantus Corp	Posted - 2006.09.17 18:19:00 - [3] there is no safe space, only safer space. If you have undocked, you are at risk of loosing your ship all the time. If you stole his stuff, you got a warning. if you joined a warring gang, you got a warning, if you invited someone who was at war, you got a warning. you haven't given us enough information as to whether you were killed legally or exploited. ___________________________________________________ ~Vistilantus
Mitten Caldari UNIVERSAL SOLDIERS Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.09.17 18:20:00 - [4] Originally by: Zabriele How come space in 0.9 scurity status area is clearly not secure..yes im a newb and i just got pwned by some little jerk whos been playing for a year+...i lost everything i had....i intentionally went to this area with the mistaken belief that this area was secure..obviously it isnt..good job CCP for being misleading in the facts..and by the way i lost everything i worked for over the last month and a bit..you lost 2 accounts Where did they say it was safe? :P its 'safe'-ER
Mitten Caldari UNIVERSAL SOLDIERS Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.09.17 18:22:00 - [5] Originally by: Vistilantus you haven't given us enough information as to whether you were killed legally or exploited. Exploited? :P Highlyyyyyyy doubtful. I'm willing to bet he was baited with a can, didnt read the warning, and got pwned. Imo eve at its finest. If you are willing to ignore a warning and take the risk, be prepared for what may happen as a result. Really doubt he had something worth suicide ganking for, but eh its possible.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.09.17 18:44:00 - [6] CCP never told you that you were perfectly safe anywhere but a station. --[23] Member-- Originally by: DB Preacher The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
lofty29 Gallente Praxiteles Inc.	Posted - 2006.09.17 18:48:00 - [7] It wasnt me --------------------------- Originally by: inSpirAcy Just like a tumour, the Brutix grows on you. I pwnz0r your sig, muahaha - Tirg Noes i got beat by a girl >.< - Xorus
Frug Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2006.09.17 18:53:00 - [8] Sounds to me like someone is whining cause he got owned... It's an MMO. Sometimes other people kill you. That's kinda the point. Blaming CCP for being "misleading" hurts my brain.
Aeaus Tharsis Security	Posted - 2006.09.17 19:04:00 - [9] Originally by: Frug Sounds to me like someone is whining cause he got owned... It's an MMO. Sometimes other people kill you. That's kinda the point. Blaming CCP for being "misleading" hurts my brain. Gonna guess he put all his assets in a cheap industrial ship and slow-boated through Jita. Join Tharsis! - Get Sexy Sigs
Eilie Minmatar	Posted - 2006.09.17 20:06:00 - [10] Originally by: Aeaus Originally by: Frug Sounds to me like someone is whining cause he got owned... It's an MMO. Sometimes other people kill you. That's kinda the point. Blaming CCP for being "misleading" hurts my brain. Gonna guess he put all his assets in a cheap industrial ship and slow-boated through Jita. I hope so. I havn't seen one of those threads in awhile now. I need someone to laugh at today! So OP, tell us what happened to you
Zabriele	Posted - 2006.09.17 20:11:00 - [11] Edited by: Zabriele on 17/09/2006 20:15:54 Ya im at fault here as well Was mining in my ferox with only missiles for defence..vs npc..i have no skills...dude came up destroyed my can without a word..so i opened fire with my missiles..he had skills i didnt....i had 2 accounts now i dont..point is wtf is the sense of having "concord"...why should ppl even bother going to a relatively safe place to try to develop a character when some ass who has skills can pwn newbs at will..lame and ya..i did stop shooting....it would have taken the guy about 5 min to finally destroy me....after 2 min of ignoring me for a ceasefire i logged..and ya i know the risks...so im not whining about that..im whining about the stupidity of enabling veteran players to be able to pwn new players at will.
inSpirAcy The Solopwnmobiles	Posted - 2006.09.17 20:15:00 - [12] Originally by: Zabriele ..so i opened fire with my missiles.. So, you want safe space... just for yourself?
Eilie Minmatar	Posted - 2006.09.17 20:16:00 - [13] Originally by: Zabriele Ya im at fault here as well Was mining in my ferox with only missiles for defence..vs npc..i have no skills...dude came up destroyed my can without a word..so i opened fire with my missiles..he had skills i didnt....i had 2 accounts now i dont..point is wtf is the sense of having "concord"...why should ppl even bother going to a relatively safe place to try to develop a character when some ass who has skills can pwn newbs at will..lame He took your can to trick you into shooting him, and you did. You shot him first so of course concord isn't going to help you.
Zabriele	Posted - 2006.09.17 20:17:00 - [14] Originally by: Eilie Originally by: Zabriele Ya im at fault here as well Was mining in my ferox with only missiles for defence..vs npc..i have no skills...dude came up destroyed my can without a word..so i opened fire with my missiles..he had skills i didnt....i had 2 accounts now i dont..point is wtf is the sense of having "concord"...why should ppl even bother going to a relatively safe place to try to develop a character when some ass who has skills can pwn newbs at will..lame afetr 10 min concord didnt even show up so wtf are you talking about. He took your can to trick you into shooting him, and you did. You shot him first so of course concord isn't going to help you.
Eilie Minmatar	Posted - 2006.09.17 20:26:00 - [15] Originally by: Zabriele Originally by: Eilie Originally by: Zabriele Ya im at fault here as well Was mining in my ferox with only missiles for defence..vs npc..i have no skills...dude came up destroyed my can without a word..so i opened fire with my missiles..he had skills i didnt....i had 2 accounts now i dont..point is wtf is the sense of having "concord"...why should ppl even bother going to a relatively safe place to try to develop a character when some ass who has skills can pwn newbs at will..lame He took your can to trick you into shooting him, and you did. You shot him first so of course concord isn't going to help you. afetr 10 min concord didnt even show up so wtf are you talking about. Silly n00b... Let's try to explain this for you: 1) He steals stuff from your can (by moving it to his ship or his own can) 2) Concord doesn't care about theft so they don't kill him but they give you permission to kill him without being concorded. 3) You use this permission to shoot at him which than means he also has permission to shoot back at you without being concorded. 4) He kills you because you fell for his trick by shooting at him. Now the moral of the story is: If someone steals your can, DO NOT shoot them unless you know you can win!
Taince Vohen	Posted - 2006.09.17 20:31:00 - [16] You were, I assume, jet-can mining. He popped your can by taking the ore out, not by shooting it, this is can theft and CONCORD has never responded to this. By taking your ore he criminally flagged himself towards you for 15 minutes which is why CONCORD didn't pwn you when you opened fire. Now, the key mechanic in EvE is that you can ALWAYS respond to aggression. Once you had shot at him, he could shoot at you. Was it within the game mechanics? Yes. Is it considered a lame tactic? Yes. But, if you hadn't shot at him first, he wouldn't have been able to shoot at you. Outside of a corp war you are pretty much safe in 0.5 and above. If you get killed its usually because you put yourself in a vunerable position.
Zabriele	Posted - 2006.09.17 20:37:00 - [17] Ya well thats kinda the point...and its not the first time its happened,so what recourse do i have..none.The veteran players know the rules better then i.BTW if ya chek GM panzers rules for safety....it says 0.5...i was in 0.9....on all occasions this has happened.So i fail to uderstand why the label "secure" is used...as it only applies to npc's....which we know dont appear in 0.9 space.
Leianna Caldari Entropy Tech.	Posted - 2006.09.17 20:43:00 - [18] Edited by: Leianna on 17/09/2006 20:44:19 Originally by: Zabriele Ya well thats kinda the point...and its not the first time its happened,so what recourse do i have..none.The veteran players know the rules better then i.BTW if ya chek GM panzers rules for safety....it says 0.5...i was in 0.9....on all occasions this has happened.So i fail to uderstand why the label "secure" is used...as it only applies to npc's....which we know dont appear in 0.9 space. 1 - Use secure containers 2 - Play the game as intended, not solo. 3 - Make friends that can help you keep ore safe while mining (player run corp?) 4 - "safe space" is just that other players canNOT attack you without warrant, or they face CONCORD. YOU gave up the option for safety by engaging the ore thief. ======================== Entropy Tech. Oipo II - Moon 19 Ishukone Watch Logistics
inSpirAcy The Solopwnmobiles	Posted - 2006.09.17 20:43:00 - [19] Just to save you the tears later, suicide ships can also blow anything up to cruisers and beyond (although it's mostly T1 industrials) in high sec if they choose to. It costs them money and security status but there's a whole industry in it. There is no absolute security anywhere but a station (and I hear Oveur can pod people in stations ).
Baldour Ngarr Artemis Rising	Posted - 2006.09.17 20:56:00 - [20] Originally by: Mitten Where did they say it was safe? In the manual. In the CONCORD warning popup that says you're only guaranteed safety as long as you stay in 0.5 and above. That's two places, just off the top of my head. The manual's years old and not given out any more, but the popup is still there. ________________________________________________ "I tried strip mining, but I lost, and it's cold flying around in space naked."
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.09.17 21:00:00 - [21] Originally by: Baldour Ngarr Originally by: Mitten Where did they say it was safe? In the manual. In the CONCORD warning popup that says you're only guaranteed safety as long as you stay in 0.5 and above. That's two places, just off the top of my head. The manual's years old and not given out any more, but the popup is still there. IIRC they don't use those words. They say that CONCORD can only protect you in 0.5-1.0, however they do not explain the terms of that protection. --[23] Member-- Originally by: DB Preacher The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
Necrosmith Gallente Wife lets me play corp	Posted - 2006.09.17 21:01:00 - [22] Can I have your insurance money, since you lost all your stuff? Best Regards, --Necro ------------- "Isk is cheap. Life is cheaper. This week, they're having a sale on both."
Baldour Ngarr Artemis Rising	Posted - 2006.09.17 21:01:00 - [23] Originally by: Dark Shikari IIRC they don't use those words. They say that CONCORD can only protect you in 0.5-1.0, however they do not explain the terms of that protection. You don't recall correctly. It says that if you leave 0.5 space for 0.4, Concord can no longer guarantee your safety. ________________________________________________ "I tried strip mining, but I lost, and it's cold flying around in space naked."
Zabriele	Posted - 2006.09.17 21:07:00 - [24] Originally by: Necrosmith Can I have your insurance money, since you lost all your stuff? No you cant bcuz i didnt have insurance ergo the reason i was in 0.9 space trying to make money to pay for insurance...ergo i lost everything.And i have no intention of trying to recoup my loss from 2 accounts to get back to where i was.Characters slated for termination /accounts cancelled.
inSpirAcy The Solopwnmobiles	Posted - 2006.09.17 21:10:00 - [25] I've quit EVE more times than I can remember.
Dred'Pirate Jesus Imperial Academy	Posted - 2006.09.17 21:12:00 - [26] Edited by: Dred''Pirate Jesus on 17/09/2006 21:12:49 zab.. how in blazes did you lose all your stuff on 2 accounts if you were mining in a ferox at the time of the incident?! Somehow i dont think it would all fit in the feroxs hold.. [2:02:08] Dred'Pirate Jesus > I'm Mexican you dolt.. It's pronouced "hey zeus" not "gee zus" :-p
Zabriele	Posted - 2006.09.17 21:14:00 - [27] Originally by: inSpirAcy I've quit EVE more times than I can remember. Ya well if this is the norm then i wont be coming back..main reason my characters are being terminated.And ya il be sure to let others know about the obvious broken game mechanics that let veteran players essentialy grief newbs who dont really know what theyr doing...especially if following the "safety" tips from the GM's dont work...
inSpirAcy The Solopwnmobiles	Posted - 2006.09.17 21:21:00 - [28] I'm not going to defend the documentation or the GMs. If they claim that high sec is safe, then they're just plain lying. But EVE is reknowned for being the consequenceful, cruel and harsh beast that it is. It's what makes your heart race in close fights. It's what makes the adrenalin rush as you dart through camps. When you know just how much effort is on the line as you walk your uberpimped battleship into a near hopeless 1v5. It's what makes EVE fun, and different from the rest of the MMOs.
Dred'Pirate Jesus Imperial Academy	Posted - 2006.09.17 21:23:00 - [29] Originally by: Zabriele i sold everything i had minus a indy3 on one account in order to get the ferox to boost my mining rates So you didn't lose everything then. Take your indy out and mine a bit more to get a frigate and run some missions to make some cash. Is it starting over? Yup.. but then thats Eve for you.. its a harse place we play in. And now you have learned a vital lesson so don't make the same mistake twice. And if you still leave then maybe its for the best for you as this game seems a bit to complicated for you. [2:02:08] Dred'Pirate Jesus > I'm Mexican you dolt.. It's pronouced "hey zeus" not "gee zus" :-p
Leianna Caldari Entropy Tech.	Posted - 2006.09.17 21:23:00 - [30] Edited by: Leianna on 17/09/2006 21:23:07 Originally by: Zabriele Originally by: Necrosmith Can I have your insurance money, since you lost all your stuff? No you cant bcuz i didnt have insurance ergo the reason i was in 0.9 space trying to make money to pay for insurance...ergo i lost everything.And i have no intention of trying to recoup my loss from 2 accounts to get back to where i was.Characters slated for termination /accounts cancelled. EVERY ship has a default insurance payout, even if uninsured, so nice try. Just join a player corp and make a ton more ISK then you have been. Seriously, quit trying to solo an MMO, you're just being stupid. ======================== Entropy Tech. Oipo II - Moon 19 Ishukone Watch Logistics

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