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ISD Ezwal ISD Community Communications Liaisons 3503	Posted - 2015.01.10 17:56:47 - [61] - Quote This thread has been moved to Crime & Punishment. ISD Ezwal Vice Admiral Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department
Mr Omniblivion GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 322	Posted - 2015.01.10 17:59:58 - [62] - Quote Well now I get to add the links back in!
John E Normus New Order Logistics CODE. 459	Posted - 2015.01.10 21:28:19 - [63] - Quote tl,dr karttoon was right Between Ignorance and Wisdom
Tengu Grib Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE. 827	Posted - 2015.01.10 23:45:57 - [64] - Quote Tear Jar wrote: Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: Paranoid Loyd wrote: I have a lot of respect for you but you are way off base here. You did not address what I said at all. Do you feel if one gank takes place in a particular spot, there should be no more ganking in that particular spot for the entire day? Let's keep in mind we are all trying to have fun. Having such a rigid situation does not sound like fun. There needs to be a way to move them or they need to despawn in a reasonable amount of time. No, I actually believe Concord sitting forever somewhere has no sense. It doesn't even happen with "RL police". It should despawn after some minutes. Would auto-despawn affect some of the many EvE mechanics in a negative way? I don't recall (so many months I don't undock any more, I got rusty ). It would be a modest buff to solo gankers. Mainly because right now if someone double ganks in a system then it can become impossible to pull Concord off grid. You actually can clear any number of concord with one person, it just takes 15 minutes per concord, and you have to know how their responses are determined. Mail me if you'd like more info. Sabriz for CSMX! A vote for Tora is a Vote for a HS Theme Park.
Tengu Grib Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE. 827	Posted - 2015.01.10 23:47:12 - [65] - Quote John E Normus wrote: tl,dr karttoon was right It's actually more worth reading than you would expect. tl;dr version: One of our noble Goon Overlords looked at our work and said, "Huh I can probably do that." And he did, and he had fun doing it. Sabriz for CSMX! A vote for Tora is a Vote for a HS Theme Park.
Veers Belvar Swordmasters of New Eden 434	Posted - 2015.01.11 00:05:59 - [66] - Quote This is pretty sad...."elite" nullsec PvP player goes to highsec to blow up some pathetic miners. What a joke. And another great example of why ganking is far too easy and consequence free and needs to meet the nerf bat.
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6521	Posted - 2015.01.11 00:14:00 - [67] - Quote Mr Omniblivion wrote: Justice Zeta wrote: Popping miners is a carebear activity. Nice read though. I believe the proper term is "nullbear", but thanks! No, the accurate modern term is actually just "gankbear" Veers Belvar wrote: This is pretty sad...."elite" nullsec PvP player Er hello, CFC here. This cannot be called elite, you are insulting the likes of progodlegend, vince draken and elo knight ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears. Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers.
Paranoid Loyd 3480	Posted - 2015.01.11 00:17:47 - [68] - Quote Tengu Grib wrote: You actually can clear any number of concord with one person, it just takes 15 minutes per concord, and you have to know how their responses are determined. Mail me if you'd like more info. Strategically placing ships before going GCC can cut that down considerably. "Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata Fix the Prospect!!!
Omar Alharazaad Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 1209	Posted - 2015.01.11 00:34:57 - [69] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: This is pretty sad...."elite" nullsec PvP player goes to highsec to blow up some pathetic miners. What a joke. And another great example of why ganking is far too easy and consequence free and needs to meet the nerf bat. Miners are pathetic? That's kind of rude, you know. I mean, many of them may be afk. Many of them may be surly and antisocial, but pathetic is just kind of mean. And there is that other matter... you know, the one where ganking carries higher consequences than most forms of high sec pvp. But we wont go there now, will we? Here. Have another chicken. It is dark here. You are likely to be eaten by a grue.
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6522	Posted - 2015.01.11 06:22:52 - [70] - Quote Omar Alharazaad wrote: And there is that other matter... you know, the one where ganking carries higher consequences than most forms of high sec pvp. (for the victor) But we wont go there now, will we? Let's. But don't link lossmails with concord on them, this sort of thing is... no wait, it's in C&P so you can... can you? ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears. Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers.
Veers Belvar Swordmasters of New Eden 434	Posted - 2015.01.11 06:49:46 - [71] - Quote Alavaria Fera wrote: Omar Alharazaad wrote: And there is that other matter... you know, the one where ganking carries higher consequences than most forms of high sec pvp. (for the victor) But we wont go there now, will we? Let's. But don't link lossmails with concord on them, this sort of thing is... no wait, it's in C&P so you can... can you? Good catch...CONCORD blows up your 5 million isk catalyst and gives you (but not your alts!) a 15 minute timeout. It's almost as harsh as the penalties for dealing drugs in Singapore. I mean, what will they think of next., perhaps a 12 isk fine as well?
Omar Alharazaad Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 1210	Posted - 2015.01.11 07:59:32 - [72] - Quote Hm. The guy who activates a killright and pops the target loses nothing. The guy who finds a war target and pops him/her/it loses nothing. The guy who suspect baits someone and pops them loses nothing. The guy who duels someone and pops them loses nothing. The guy who suicide ganks someone loses his ship every time. Your chair has no legs. It is dark here. You are likely to be eaten by a grue.
Veers Belvar Swordmasters of New Eden 434	Posted - 2015.01.11 08:06:40 - [73] - Quote Omar Alharazaad wrote: Hm. The guy who activates a killright and pops the target loses nothing. The guy who finds a war target and pops him/her/it loses nothing. The guy who suspect baits someone and pops them loses nothing. The guy who duels someone and pops them loses nothing. The guy who suicide ganks someone loses his ship every time. Your chair has no legs. Ya, people who commit CRIMES suffer the loss of their crummy 5 million isk ship. A few of them can cause billions of isk in damage. gimme a break
Cheese Crackers Death Stroke Undertaking 25	Posted - 2015.01.11 09:01:36 - [74] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: Ya, people who commit CRIMES suffer the loss of their crummy 5 million isk ship. A few of them can cause billions of isk in damage. gimme a break Well... the loss of billions of isk is inevitable when you fly untanked ships. Same goes for all ships of all sizes. Would you fly an untanked titan knowing that all of eve space is a potential pvp zone. If anything i feel that ganking can teach those whom are new or careless that if you fly untanked ships, you will lose them regardless of what kind they are. And what is there to nerf? nerf pvp? lol this is not the game for you. Nerf catalysts? Along comes the rocket corax. I used to like reading your stuff but its just become so unfruitful and tedious. not impressed.
Charlie Jacobson 276	Posted - 2015.01.11 11:13:17 - [75] - Quote Good thread! Ganking is fun indeed!
Omar Alharazaad Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 1219	Posted - 2015.01.11 14:26:11 - [76] - Quote Everything is permitted unless it isn't. So much hangup over the word crime when much of what I described above would be considered crimes (even though they aren't) by the losers. Also, your catalysts keep getting cheaper and cheaper. A fully fit "Incursus of Holy Flagellation" runs about 10 to 12 mil, depending on the quantity and quality of the ammo, drugs, and hookers in the cargo hold. If it in the process of doing something that someone else considers to be a very bad thing, manages to go boom, I would be out about 10 to 12 mil. Just like any other ship with weapons on it, it can destroy other ships. Sometimes those ships are worth 'billions and billions'. The catalyst pilot's loss is guaranteed, and if they are not already -10, they will be one step closer. What I am saying is that they already suffer steeper penalties for what they do. The ISK value of their lost ship is no more or less important than the ISK value of their exploded victim, because ISK is not a tank. Irrelevant, that's the word I was looking for. You call it a slap on the wrist because they adapt to the new environment inflicted on them by the mechanics. If only other portions of the player base would adapt to their environment changing.... then threads like these would be less frequent, or necessary. It is dark here. You are likely to be eaten by a grue.
Mag's the united 18656	Posted - 2015.01.11 14:30:22 - [77] - Quote I'd love a 5 mill gank cat. Does anyone have the fitting and magic space dust to make it work? Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Veers Belvar Swordmasters of New Eden 436	Posted - 2015.01.11 16:18:02 - [78] - Quote Mag's wrote: I'd love a 5 mill gank cat. Does anyone have the fitting and magic space dust to make it work? How much does a gank cat with all meta 1 stuff cost? Can't imagine it's over 5 mil....even meta 4 stuff should be reasonably cheap.
Skandel The Wet Spot 60	Posted - 2015.01.11 16:43:48 - [79] - Quote Mag's wrote: I'd love a 5 mill gank cat. Does anyone have the fitting and magic space dust to make it work? Poors aren't allowed to play with magic dust. It gives them hope.
Super Perforator New Order Logistics CODE. 29	Posted - 2015.01.11 16:56:59 - [80] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: This is pretty sad...."elite" nullsec PvP player goes to highsec to blow up some pathetic miners. What a joke. Elite nullsec PvP player goes to highsec to have some fun? What is sad about that? Stress? Just cool it... CODE. Diplo. Praise James!
Meilandra Vanderganken Aliastra Gallente Federation 246	Posted - 2015.01.11 18:58:15 - [81] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: Ya, people who commit CRIMES suffer the loss of their crummy 5 million isk ship. A few of them can cause billions of isk in damage. gimme a break A t1 fitted frigate can cause billions of damage in the right circumstances, clearly the problem is with the T1 frigate being overpowered.
Veers Belvar Swordmasters of New Eden 436	Posted - 2015.01.11 19:34:26 - [82] - Quote Meilandra Vanderganken wrote: Veers Belvar wrote: Ya, people who commit CRIMES suffer the loss of their crummy 5 million isk ship. A few of them can cause billions of isk in damage. gimme a break A t1 fitted frigate can cause billions of damage in the right circumstances, clearly the problem is with the T1 frigate being overpowered. The problem is that you can repeatedly commit crimes with a 5 mil isk frigate...inflict tens of billions of isk in damage, and face no real consequences. That is called a broken and dysfunctional criminal justice system.
Tengu Grib Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE. 829	Posted - 2015.01.11 19:42:52 - [83] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: Mag's wrote: I'd love a 5 mill gank cat. Does anyone have the fitting and magic space dust to make it work? How much does a gank cat with all meta 1 stuff cost? Can't imagine it's over 5 mil....even meta 4 stuff should be reasonably cheap. meta 4 is usually right around 10 mill market value (cheaper if you build the pieces you can build yourself like rigs and the damage mods). Sabriz for CSMX! A vote for Tora is a Vote for a HS Theme Park.
Tengu Grib Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE. 829	Posted - 2015.01.11 19:44:27 - [84] - Quote Paranoid Loyd wrote: Tengu Grib wrote: You actually can clear any number of concord with one person, it just takes 15 minutes per concord, and you have to know how their responses are determined. Mail me if you'd like more info. Strategically placing ships before going GCC can cut that down considerably. Yes absolutely, with safes and an orca full of shuttles or noob ships (or even just empty ones abandoned at safes) you can clear as many concord as you need to with one person in a single GCC timer. Sabriz for CSMX! A vote for Tora is a Vote for a HS Theme Park.
Tengu Grib Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE. 829	Posted - 2015.01.11 19:57:05 - [85] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: Omar Alharazaad wrote: Hm. The guy who activates a killright and pops the target loses nothing. The guy who finds a war target and pops him/her/it loses nothing. The guy who suspect baits someone and pops them loses nothing. The guy who duels someone and pops them loses nothing. The guy who suicide ganks someone loses his ship every time. Your chair has no legs. Ya, people who commit CRIMES suffer the loss of their crummy 5 million isk ship. A few of them can cause billions of isk in damage. gimme a break I can awox a corp and clean out billions in assets and isk from their coffers. I lose nothing. (in fact I gain the medal that I so generously give myself!) I think you are under the mistaken conception that crime in Eve is actually punished by the game itself, the only meaningful punishment comes from other players. If other players cannot or will not punish you, then there is no punishment. Working as intended, this is Eve. Sabriz for CSMX! A vote for Tora is a Vote for a HS Theme Park.
Veers Belvar Swordmasters of New Eden 436	Posted - 2015.01.11 20:08:43 - [86] - Quote Tengu Grib wrote: Veers Belvar wrote: Omar Alharazaad wrote: Hm. The guy who activates a killright and pops the target loses nothing. The guy who finds a war target and pops him/her/it loses nothing. The guy who suspect baits someone and pops them loses nothing. The guy who duels someone and pops them loses nothing. The guy who suicide ganks someone loses his ship every time. Your chair has no legs. Ya, people who commit CRIMES suffer the loss of their crummy 5 million isk ship. A few of them can cause billions of isk in damage. gimme a break I can awox a corp and clean out billions in assets and isk from their coffers. I lose nothing. (in fact I gain the medal that I so generously give myself!) I think you are under the mistaken conception that crime in Eve is actually punished by the game itself, the only meaningful punishment comes from other players. If other players cannot or will not punish you, then there is no punishment. Working as intended, this is Eve. You are right, awoxxing is a disaster and is broken. That's why CCP wants to get rid of it. And the fact that CONCORD blows up your ship and gives you a 15 minute GCC timer belies the idea that the only meaningful punishment is player based. Punishing suicide gankers should not be left to players who, at most, can destroy some crummy cheap gank ship. Only CCP is capable of imposing meaningful punishments that can actually deter some of the activity in question.
Super Perforator New Order Logistics CODE. 30	Posted - 2015.01.11 21:09:46 - [87] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: You are right, awoxxing is a disaster and is broken. That's why CCP wants to get rid of it. And the fact that CONCORD blows up your ship and gives you a 15 minute GCC timer belies the idea that the only meaningful punishment is player based. Punishing suicide gankers should not be left to players who, at most, can destroy some crummy cheap gank ship. Only CCP is capable of imposing meaningful punishments that can actually deter some of the activity in question. The 15 minute timer is only important if my scout finds the next target before it has run out... normally it takes me that 15 mins to pull concord, write a letter offering a mining permit to the criminal that had his illegal equipment confiscated, and in the rest of the spare time I can be refitting new cats/coercers/thrashers... and, of course, scouting out the next criminal. Stress? Just cool it... CODE. Diplo. Praise James!
John E Normus New Order Logistics CODE. 461	Posted - 2015.01.11 23:56:06 - [88] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: You are right, awoxxing is a disaster and is broken. That's why CCP wants to get rid of it. And the fact that CONCORD blows up your ship and gives you a 15 minute GCC timer belies the idea that the only meaningful punishment is player based. Punishing suicide gankers should not be left to players who, at most, can destroy some crummy cheap gank ship. Only CCP is capable of imposing meaningful punishments that can actually deter some of the activity in question. Take it easy old buddy, you're better than this. Between Ignorance and Wisdom
Tear Jar Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE. 288	Posted - 2015.01.12 03:12:26 - [89] - Quote Paranoid Loyd wrote: Tengu Grib wrote: You actually can clear any number of concord with one person, it just takes 15 minutes per concord, and you have to know how their responses are determined. Mail me if you'd like more info. Strategically placing ships before going GCC can cut that down considerably. Huh I hadn't thought about that. Thanks for the tip.
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6522	Posted - 2015.01.12 03:30:37 - [90] - Quote Tengu Grib wrote: Veers Belvar wrote: Omar Alharazaad wrote: Hm. The guy who activates a killright and pops the target loses nothing. The guy who finds a war target and pops him/her/it loses nothing. The guy who suspect baits someone and pops them loses nothing. The guy who duels someone and pops them loses nothing. The guy who suicide ganks someone loses his ship every time. Your chair has no legs. Ya, people who commit CRIMES suffer the loss of their crummy 5 million isk ship. A few of them can cause billions of isk in damage. gimme a break I can awox a corp and clean out billions in assets and isk from their coffers. I lose nothing. (in fact I gain the medal that I so generously give myself!) I think you are under the mistaken conception that crime in Eve is actually punished by the game itself, the only meaningful punishment comes from other players. If other players cannot or will not punish you, then there is no punishment. Working as intended, this is Eve. I think it's time for CCP to step in to stop this. First, of course, prevent corp awoxing in highsec... ah, wait a moment ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears. Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers.

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