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Velicitia
XS Tech
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Posted - 2015.01.12 12:32:34 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Tengu Grib wrote:
I can awox a corp and clean out billions in assets and isk from their coffers. I lose nothing. (in fact I gain the medal that I so generously give myself!) I think you are under the mistaken conception that crime in Eve is actually punished by the game itself, the only meaningful punishment comes from other players. If other players cannot or will not punish you, then there is no punishment. Working as intended, this is Eve.
I think it's time for CCP to step in to stop this. First, of course, prevent corp awoxing in highsec... ah, wait a moment
ugh, CCP don't do this. For the love of the Amarrian god, don't do this.
One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
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Gaylord Fappington
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
42
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Posted - 2015.01.12 15:07:23 -
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The only thing I hate more than Goons is Goons who kill defenseless miners. Grrr. |
Tengu Grib
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec
CODE.
835
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Posted - 2015.01.12 18:03:43 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Tengu Grib wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:Omar Alharazaad wrote:Hm. The guy who activates a killright and pops the target loses nothing.
The guy who finds a war target and pops him/her/it loses nothing.
The guy who suspect baits someone and pops them loses nothing.
The guy who duels someone and pops them loses nothing.
The guy who suicide ganks someone loses his ship every time.
Your chair has no legs. Ya, people who commit CRIMES suffer the loss of their crummy 5 million isk ship. A few of them can cause billions of isk in damage. gimme a break I can awox a corp and clean out billions in assets and isk from their coffers. I lose nothing. (in fact I gain the medal that I so generously give myself!) I think you are under the mistaken conception that crime in Eve is actually punished by the game itself, the only meaningful punishment comes from other players. If other players cannot or will not punish you, then there is no punishment. Working as intended, this is Eve. You are right, awoxxing is a disaster and is broken. That's why CCP wants to get rid of it. And the fact that CONCORD blows up your ship and gives you a 15 minute GCC timer belies the idea that the only meaningful punishment is player based. Punishing suicide gankers should not be left to players who, at most, can destroy some crummy cheap gank ship. Only CCP is capable of imposing meaningful punishments that can actually deter some of the activity in question.
The only thing they are removing is corp member flagless aggressrion. Nothing I talked about actually requires that. You live in a world where you think CCP should protect you from the bad people. Everyone else, including CCP tells you that you need to protect yourself. The tools are there. Use them. You don't need to punish the ganker if he fails to gank you.
Sabriz for CSMX!
A vote for Tora is a Vote for a HS Theme Park.
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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
436
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Posted - 2015.01.13 04:08:07 -
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Tengu Grib wrote:
The only thing they are removing is corp member flagless aggressrion. Nothing I talked about actually requires that. You live in a world where you think CCP should protect you from the bad people. Everyone else, including CCP tells you that you need to protect yourself. The tools are there. Use them. You don't need to punish the ganker if he fails to gank you.
Look, I think threat should be taken care of as well. As long as the criminal justice system does not work, there is no rational reason for highsec players to join player corps. Until the system is fixed....people will rationally choose to remain in npc corps.
Gankers expose themselves to no real risk. They can inflict billions of isk in damage in cheap gank ships...never needing to risk undocking in an expensive ship. They can make their isk on nullsec alts in blue donut space.
BROKEN |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
1967
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Posted - 2015.01.13 05:22:11 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:never needing to risk undocking in an expensive ship. They can make their isk on nullsec alts in blue donut space.
BROKEN
That can be said of any type of gameplay in which ship loss is common. Having an alternate source of income on a different character is hardly something that can reasonably be considered a balancing factor. |
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
436
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Posted - 2015.01.13 05:24:03 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:never needing to risk undocking in an expensive ship. They can make their isk on nullsec alts in blue donut space.
BROKEN That can be said of any type of gameplay in which ship loss is common. Having an alternate source of income on a different character is hardly something that can reasonably be considered a balancing factor.
Ya, but here one group of players is effectively denying another group of players the ability to make isk...all the while being shielded from bearing the consequences of their criminality due to the ability to simply go and do PvE on nullsec alts. |
Kaarous Aldurald
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
11188
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Posted - 2015.01.13 05:32:06 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:
Ya, but here one group of players is effectively denying another group of players the ability to make isk...all the while being shielded from bearing the consequences of their criminality due to the ability to simply go and do PvE on nullsec alts.
That tends to happen when a group of people who actually play the game go up against a group of people who are just afk.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Charlie Jacobson
277
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Posted - 2015.01.13 08:18:11 -
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Clearly the solution would be to disallow having alts? Everyone should only play on one character, always! (That's what I do anyway) \o/ |
Don Purple
1101
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Posted - 2015.01.13 10:49:09 -
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Sounds like you had fun, hit me up for fleets if you are in town :D
I am just here to snuggle.
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servalaan
16
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Posted - 2015.01.13 16:09:56 -
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Mr Omniblivion wrote:This turned into a long story, my posting sucks, you probably shouldn't read it.
Thanks, I didn't
If pinocchio told you his nose was about to grow, what would happen?
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Mr Omniblivion
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
332
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Posted - 2015.01.14 00:29:07 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Ya, but here one group of players is effectively denying another group of players the ability to make isk...all the while being shielded from bearing the consequences of their criminality due to the ability to simply go and do PvE on nullsec alts.
How does a suicide gank deny another group of players the ability to make isk?
Those players could do any of the following to make isk:
-Use a skiff
-Use a procurer
-Fit a decent tank
-Run missions
-Do literally anything else in eve
Mining is the worst income/hr in the game right now bar none. The reason it is so low is because it scales so easily in having multiple accounts. Even with the nerf to broadcasting, you can still easily mine with 20 retrievers, a hauler, a tank and a booster. As long as CCP keeps mining as is, it will always be the worst profession for any individual player with one or even two accounts.
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Tengu Grib
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec
CODE.
840
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Posted - 2015.01.14 00:44:54 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Tengu Grib wrote:
The only thing they are removing is corp member flagless aggressrion. Nothing I talked about actually requires that. You live in a world where you think CCP should protect you from the bad people. Everyone else, including CCP tells you that you need to protect yourself. The tools are there. Use them. You don't need to punish the ganker if he fails to gank you.
Look, I think threat should be taken care of as well. As long as the criminal justice system does not work, there is no rational reason for highsec players to join player corps. Until the system is fixed....people will rationally choose to remain in npc corps. Gankers expose themselves to no real risk. They can inflict billions of isk in damage in cheap gank ships...never needing to risk undocking in an expensive ship. They can make their isk on nullsec alts in blue donut space. BROKEN
If they choose to ignore the methods of defending themselves from gankers I have zero sympathy for them. I also think that you vastly overstate the number of active combat awoxers (and therefore the threat they pose). In addition filtering out awoxers is something you can fairly reasonably do. You won't catch all of them but you will be able to catch the obvious ones (which is most of them).
Sabriz for CSMX!
A vote for Tora is a Vote for a HS Theme Park.
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Don Purple
1102
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Posted - 2015.01.14 06:04:57 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Vimsy Vortis wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:never needing to risk undocking in an expensive ship. They can make their isk on nullsec alts in blue donut space.
BROKEN That can be said of any type of gameplay in which ship loss is common. Having an alternate source of income on a different character is hardly something that can reasonably be considered a balancing factor. Ya, but here one group of players is effectively denying another group of players the ability to make isk...all the while being shielded from bearing the consequences of their criminality due to the ability to simply go and do PvE on nullsec alts.
I have no nullsec alts currently. If I did it would only be to rob someone blind and burn whatever I could.
I fly my pvp ships with my 45 killrights and counting. Not everyone plays the same.
I am just here to snuggle.
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