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Mr Omniblivion GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 313	Posted - 2015.01.08 23:16:07 - [1] - Quote This turned into a long story, my posting sucks, you probably shouldn't read it. Having a space job and managing thousands of reactor farms isn't the most fun thing to do in Eve. The POS mechanics and management system are god awful and tedious to manage, and really make the game less fun. In my state of pure boredom and tired of talking about fixing null ore anomalies, I was reminded by an associate that I could always day trip down to empire and dabble with some highsec gankery. Being that I have had a 5.0 sec status for years now, I figured that I'd give it a shot. It took us about an hour to get set up- moving from Deklein to high sec was pretty quick with instaceptors, and then using our own freighter alts to haul in enough fit t2 catalysts for us to play with for as long as we'd ever want to. Other than having fit ships, my associate and I had no idea what to expect, nor the extent of ships that we could successfully take out. We first arrived at a mackinaw shooting some rocks in a random belt- I know that mackinaws can get pretty tanky, but we decided to give it a shot anyways. A mere 5 seconds later, the mackinaw was vaporized sporting a pretty unique fit. Awesome! Nothing like our first successful highsec gank. Being that I'm not totally an ******* most of the time, I convoed the guy and inquired about his interesting choice in mods (or lack thereof). He told me that he had just resubbed and was rather upset that his ship was blown up. Rather than rub it in or whatever normal gankers do, I actually gave him a pat on the back, apologized that he was the first random kill of the day, and give him a nice "welcome back to eve :)". I even gave him some recommendations on how to fit it better and even that he could make more isk/hour running missions or doing basically anything else than what he was doing in a much cheaper ship. He was thankful and went on his way. Damn, I'm such a nice guy. Rather than just reship and gank the same system again, we decided to head back to home base and scout out some fresh targets. Using one of my several hundred afk cloaking alts, I found a mackinaw mining away at a belt in a nearby system. This guy was much more clever than the last one. He had concord already spawned at the belt, as well as his own scorpion alt next to him. Because I'm generally awful at Eve, I accidentally got too close on my cloaked alt and decloaked. The miner didn't budge; knowing that if I touched him, I would be instantly concordokkened. I don't like being smugged on, so I decided to go ahead and scan him to see what I was going up against. An okay tank, nothing major. I don't know if being scanned happens frequently in highsec, but that would be an instant red flag to me. This miner, accompanied by his alt in a scorpion and concord, fearlessly chipped away at the asteroids around him. All of a sudden, concord started to align and warp away. As they did, two freshly minted catalysts emerged from the nether and simultaneously engaged the once smug miner. Melting within seconds, the mackinaw exploded (with pretty neat graphics, I might say- one of the few times I've ever turned graphics on high), spewing the pod and its contents all over the belt. Just as I locked up the pod, the scorpion finally locked me. And then I was dead; Concord had come back whence they departed earlier. As we were warping back to reship, we continued scouting for our next targets. Hulk, Hulk, Mackinaw, Mackinaw, Skiff, Orca, all in the same belt. In retrospect, I should have batphoned some more friends to come help, but I only have one friend and he was already with me. Just us two, we quickly waited down our timers and reshipped, staying down wind of the unsuspecting miners. AFK Cloaker #67 was already at the belt, waiting for us, 5km off of the group of miners. My friend and I quickly talked about the order of events and which target to hit. Concord was called to a POCO for some reason just as two catalysts landed on grid with the exhumers. Being outnumbered and overgunned, we quickly locked up targets and engaged. Oops, I shot the wrong guy, I'm pretty awful. Luckily, my not awful friend realized I was shooting the wrong target and quickly switched over to help me. Hulk down. Mission Accomplished . For a few tens of million ISK, I had an absolute blast. There is nothing quite like hunting out unsuspecting prey and the subsequent bloodlust after your first kill. I, too, have miners of my own- yet I did not hesitate one second going out and suicide ganking in unknown space. I urge everyone to try it at least one time, as I just did last night. All you need is a catalyst, t2 blasters, some damage rigs, and full damage mods in the lows. I'm bad so I don't know what they are all called. Go find an unsuspecting Hulk or Mackinaw and become one with the catalyst. I recommend sending them an apology message after the fact for being the random victim of the day, and give them a salutary "welcome to eve". Bottom line- try something new, have a lot of fun. Suicide ganking is a great and cheap place to start. tl;dr: go try a suicide gank one time if you've never done it before- you won't regret it- as long as you kill something, hah!
Paranoid Loyd 3439	Posted - 2015.01.08 23:25:26 - [2] - Quote Nicely done. Also, Grrr "Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata Fix the Prospect!!!
Doc Fury Furious Enterprises 7845	Posted - 2015.01.08 23:26:19 - [3] - Quote low_quality_bait.jpg Gÿ+ The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'.
Vapor Ventrillian The Scope Gallente Federation 147	Posted - 2015.01.08 23:32:52 - [4] - Quote I enjoyed the read and the moral I found - gankings fine, provoking the life outta them is not It is..so hard ..not to moan about...Code. damit I said it The Evil Overlord of Scope, self elected as all good overlords should be
Unsuccessful At Everything The Troll Bridge 19109	Posted - 2015.01.09 01:34:08 - [5] - Quote ::golf clap:: *Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?* Vote Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10!
Abrazzar Vardaugas Family 5783	Posted - 2015.01.09 02:09:05 - [6] - Quote I'm more upset at the ship fits than the ganks. Sovereignty and Population New Mining Mechanics
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6518	Posted - 2015.01.09 02:15:43 - [7] - Quote I thought spawning concord to guard you wasn't allowed? The amusing thing being that prepping or pulling concord away is fine though ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears. Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers.
Jenshae Chiroptera The Volition Cult 740	Posted - 2015.01.09 02:24:49 - [8] - Quote I before the lock for kill mails Mr Omniblivion wrote: Being that I'm not totally an ******* most of the time, I convoed the guy and inquired about his interesting choice in mods (or lack thereof). He told me that he had just resubbed and was rather upset that his ship was blown up. Rather than rub it in or whatever normal gankers do, I actually gave him a pat on the back, apologized that he was the first random kill of the day, and give him a nice "welcome back to eve :)". I even gave him some recommendations on how to fit it better and even that he could make more isk/hour running missions or doing basically anything else than what he was doing in a much cheaper ship. He was thankful and went on his way. Damn, I'm such a nice guy. "Oh yes, old chap! Why I gave him the sharp end of my guns. Once he was down, I called him a complete and utter fool. Then being a gracious man, why I hit him again and finally, I sent him on his way with a bee in his ear!" The writing aside, it looks to me that either they have no fear (unlikely with all the publicity about ganking) or they have simply given up and minimal fit their ships for the most yield and eat the cost. Some people prefer a relaxed game and you can't change their choice. CSM Ten movement for change. CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids. Status: Rabid carebear Blog
Steppa Musana Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 31	Posted - 2015.01.09 03:01:45 - [9] - Quote Alavaria Fera wrote: I thought spawning concord to guard you wasn't allowed? The amusing thing being that prepping or pulling concord away is fine though disposing of your CONCORD spawning alts isnt allowed. youre allowed to prespawn.
Mario Putzo Welping and Dunking. 1039	Posted - 2015.01.09 03:04:31 - [10] - Quote I remember my first time. ***** like crack.
Xadus GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2	Posted - 2015.01.09 03:24:33 - [11] - Quote All you need is a catalyst, t2 blasters, some damage rigs, and full damage mods in the lows shhhh now all of empire will be doing it.
Omar Alharazaad Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 1188	Posted - 2015.01.09 03:25:28 - [12] - Quote Alavaria Fera wrote: I thought spawning concord to guard you wasn't allowed? The amusing thing being that prepping or pulling concord away is fine though During a threadnaught a couple months back a GM actually chimed in on this. Too lazy to dig up the exact post, but the jist was basically 'what's good for the goose is good for the gander'. concord can still be drawn away with discount donuts long enough for the dirty to happen, so it's not a huge deal. It is dark here. You are likely to be eaten by a grue.
Mario Putzo Welping and Dunking. 1040	Posted - 2015.01.09 03:48:36 - [13] - Quote Omar Alharazaad wrote: Alavaria Fera wrote: I thought spawning concord to guard you wasn't allowed? The amusing thing being that prepping or pulling concord away is fine though During a threadnaught a couple months back a GM actually chimed in on this. Too lazy to dig up the exact post, but the jist was basically 'what's good for the goose is good for the gander'. concord can still be drawn away with discount donuts long enough for the dirty to happen, so it's not a huge deal. Seems like a pretty big deal if you can keep them on grid 100% of the time using a low security alt. Pulling concord is also not a good thing. Clearly both exploiting of CONCORD AI.
Abyss Azizora Temporary Corp 12 150	Posted - 2015.01.09 04:16:00 - [14] - Quote Usually anything posted by a goon isn't worth reading, but I gotta admit... this was a good read. And yeah suicide ganking can be a lot of fun for the aggressor. Done it only a few times, but it was with corpmates and using alts to remove competition in a system overcrowded by AFK/bot miners. Have to say, it was indeed a lot of fun, and we only botched a single gank despite us using a mish-mash of dessies and not the "god-of-ganking" catalysts. :P Mario: It's also been confirmed by CCP that pulling concord is a 100% legitimate tactic for either side. Not an exploit.
Michael Ruckert Hohere Kavallerie-Kommando 256	Posted - 2015.01.09 04:56:01 - [15] - Quote See you avoided tanked and rigged Procurers. Smart lad. Pat on your head. "No matter how well you perform there's always somebody of intelligent opinion who thinks it's lousy." - Laurence Olivier
Myles Wong Mallaks Brown Grotto Raiders 33	Posted - 2015.01.09 04:59:39 - [16] - Quote Your awesomeness transcends the stars themselves. Be proud....you destroyer of nothingness.
Hippinse University of Caille Gallente Federation 31	Posted - 2015.01.09 05:03:35 - [17] - Quote Mr Omniblivion wrote: I urge everyone to try it at least one time, as I just did last night. All you need is a catalyst, t2 blasters, some damage rigs, and full damage mods in the lows. How long until the grand opening of Mr Omniblivion's Catalyst, T2 Blaster, Damage Rig/Mod and General Store. ("All goods produced from cage-free minerals lovingly grown in free-range null anomalies.")
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 6034	Posted - 2015.01.09 06:09:37 - [18] - Quote The Great Karnak predicts a lock. Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Serene Repose 2036	Posted - 2015.01.09 06:41:52 - [19] - Quote Xadus wrote: All you need is a catalyst, t2 blasters, some damage rigs, and full damage mods in the lows shhhh now all of empire will be doing it. Mmhmm. Treason never prospers. What is the reason? Why, if it prospers, none dare call it "treason."
Crumplecorn Eve Cluster Explorations 1817	Posted - 2015.01.09 06:43:22 - [20] - Quote Mr Omniblivion wrote: Rather than rub it in or whatever normal gankers do Mr Omniblivion wrote: I actually gave him a pat on the back, apologized that he was the first random kill of the day, and give him a nice "welcome back to eve :)". I even gave him some recommendations on how to fit it better and even that he could make more isk/hour running missions or doing basically anything else than what he was doing in a much cheaper ship. He was thankful and went on his way. Damn, I'm such a nice guy. This is what normal gankers do. It's the miners who are the assholes (typically). Mario Putzo wrote: Seems like a pretty big deal if you can keep them on grid 100% of the time using a low security alt. Pulling concord is also not a good thing. Clearly both exploiting of CONCORD AI. Yes, players having some ability to control their environment certainly is a terrible thing. Witty Image - Stream Not Liking this post hurts my RL feelings and will be considered harassment
Mr Omniblivion GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 315	Posted - 2015.01.09 06:54:02 - [21] - Quote If it's going to get locked, I can just remove the links once an ISD chimes in. They're just in there for flavour
Pok Nibin Filial Pariahs 454	Posted - 2015.01.09 07:54:24 - [22] - Quote There's something about a Goonwaffle posting something like this that makes it go over like a lead balloon. Does the term "strains credulity" leap to mind? Anyone? EDIT: Mettere a dura prova buona fede, essere al limite del credibile. Dont fight it; Rejoin your Amarrian patriarchs; You know you want to.
Aqriue Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 721	Posted - 2015.01.09 08:10:48 - [23] - Quote Can someone explain why asteroid belts still exist and why barges/exhumers are still able to be produced? Seems if they were removed and minerals were seeded, you could actually have a game where you don't shoot stupid worthless targets that never should of existed in the first place because the vessels are so damn stupid (the pod should blow up with the ship and they should lose SP, like a T3 to save you ammo). No, never had mining vessel if mine ganked as I quickly realized how fcking boring it was, just seems if asteroids where removed, minerals seeded, the vessels and their SP not refunded back by CCP, you would actually have a more interesting game instead of paper target bragging (I r awsume! where you sound like you have mental impediments) or training to be a clay pigeon / that goat tied like in the move Jurassic Park shortly before its eaten (still cannot figure out Why would any want to be a miner? Go play minesweeper or solitaire FFS, more distracting than CCP's poor mini game of sitting in belts doing nothing). tl;dr aspect is just get rid of asteroids in general, game is far more interesting when you watch actual fights that is not some fat dude who saying how good they are at doing the easiest thing in game, like listening to someone say they are great at level 4 mission bashing
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6519	Posted - 2015.01.09 08:22:24 - [24] - Quote Mr Omniblivion wrote: If it's going to get locked, I can just remove the links once an ISD chimes in. They're just in there for flavour More likely they remove it themselves, or they remove it and lock the thread anyway. Or move it to crime and punishment? ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears. Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers.
Sequester Risalo Significant Others 41	Posted - 2015.01.09 08:28:36 - [25] - Quote Aqriue wrote: Can someone explain why asteroid belts still exist and why barges/exhumers are still able to be produced? Seems if they were removed and minerals were seeded, you could actually have a game where you don't shoot stupid worthless targets that never should of existed in the first place because the vessels are so damn stupid (the pod should blow up with the ship and they should lose SP, like a T3 to save you ammo). No, never had mining vessel if mine ganked as I quickly realized how fcking boring it was, just seems if asteroids where removed, minerals seeded, the vessels and their SP not refunded back by CCP, you would actually have a more interesting game instead of paper target bragging (I r awsume! where you sound like you have mental impediments) or training to be a clay pigeon / that goat tied like in the move Jurassic Park shortly before its eaten (still cannot figure out Why would any want to be a miner? Go play minesweeper or solitaire FFS, more distracting than CCP's poor mini game of sitting in belts doing nothing). tl;dr aspect is just get rid of asteroids in general, game is far more interesting when you watch actual fights that is not some fat dude who saying how good they are at doing the easiest thing in game, like listening to someone say they are great at level 4 mission bashing And while they are at it they should close down all systems except Thera so your playstyle is the only one available. Subscription numbers are for sissies anyway.
ISD Supogo ISD Community Communications Liaisons 419	Posted - 2015.01.09 08:31:01 - [26] - Quote Edited out links to killmails. Quote: Forum rules 36. Posting of kill reports outside of the Crime & Punishment forum channel is prohibited. More often than not, posts of this nature are made with inflammatory intent and are designed to promote trolling and flaming. Therefore, the posting of links to kill reports from any third party site, or the direct copy-pasting of kill reports from in game is prohibited on all forum channels of the EVE Online Forums, with the exception of the Crime & Punishment Channel. Specific rules regarding the omission of pilot names apply in this instance. Further details can be found in the rules stickies in the Crime & Punishment forum channel. ISD Supogo Lieutenant Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department
Sol Project I'm So Meta Even This Acronym 2771	Posted - 2015.01.09 12:02:50 - [27] - Quote It's really easy when you use a scout and never undock unless you strike. When you like playing like a carebear, that's the way to go. It's also mindlessly boring. Ladies of New Eden YC 117 by Indahmawar Fazmarai Warning: NSFW! Barely legal girls in underwear! Diana Kim > AND THIS IS WHY THE FEDERATION MUST BE DESTROYED!!
Crumplecorn Eve Cluster Explorations 1821	Posted - 2015.01.09 14:01:29 - [28] - Quote Aqriue wrote: Can someone explain why asteroid belts still exist and why barges/exhumers are still able to be produced? Because getting rid of content for multiple segments of the playerbase while simultaneously taking a section of the player-driven economy away from the players just because you don't like it when people post on forums is a terrible idea? Sol Project wrote: It's really easy when you use a scout and never undock unless you strike. Yes, the true challenge of EVE is dodging the super-effective faction police. Witty Image - Stream Not Liking this post hurts my RL feelings and will be considered harassment
Mister Holder Faceless Men 16	Posted - 2015.01.09 15:18:02 - [29] - Quote Thanks for the warning in the first sentence. Stopped there.
Renegade Heart Failbear Refuge 346	Posted - 2015.01.09 15:19:28 - [30] - Quote I agree with you OP. Ganking is fun, and more people should try it!
Sol Project I'm So Meta Even This Acronym 2778	Posted - 2015.01.09 15:21:52 - [31] - Quote Crumplecorn wrote: Aqriue wrote: Can someone explain why asteroid belts still exist and why barges/exhumers are still able to be produced? Because getting rid of content for multiple segments of the playerbase while simultaneously taking a section of the player-driven economy away from the players just because you don't like it when people post on forums is a terrible idea? Sol Project wrote: It's really easy when you use a scout and never undock unless you strike. Yes, the true challenge of EVE is dodging the super-effective faction police. Blablablabla GrumpyCorn. Considering how all the gankers behave ... ... the faction police comes across as unbeatable. ^_^ Soooo grumpy ... ^_^ :) Ladies of New Eden YC 117 by Indahmawar Fazmarai Warning: NSFW! Barely legal girls in underwear! Diana Kim > AND THIS IS WHY THE FEDERATION MUST BE DESTROYED!!
Shiloh Templeton Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 216	Posted - 2015.01.10 00:20:09 - [32] - Quote You sir, are a TERRIBLE person! . . . AFK Cloaker #67! You should be ashamed of yourself.
Steppa Musana Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 33	Posted - 2015.01.10 00:23:11 - [33] - Quote Crumplecorn wrote: Mr Omniblivion wrote: Rather than rub it in or whatever normal gankers do Mr Omniblivion wrote: I actually gave him a pat on the back, apologized that he was the first random kill of the day, and give him a nice "welcome back to eve :)". I even gave him some recommendations on how to fit it better and even that he could make more isk/hour running missions or doing basically anything else than what he was doing in a much cheaper ship. He was thankful and went on his way. Damn, I'm such a nice guy. This is what normal gankers do. It's the miners who are the assholes (typically). This is what normal gankers do, in some weird dream you had a few nights ago. Back here in reality, this is close to the opposite of what normal gankers do.
Cancel Align NOW Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire 396	Posted - 2015.01.10 00:26:21 - [34] - Quote Sol Project wrote: It's really easy when you use a scout and never undock unless you strike. When you like playing like a carebear, that's the way to go. It's also mindlessly boring. If the same 3 pilots are also a platoon in world of tanks it is actually great fun.
Crumplecorn Eve Cluster Explorations 1838	Posted - 2015.01.10 00:28:31 - [35] - Quote Steppa Musana wrote: This is what normal gankers do, in some dream you had maybe. Back here in reality, this is close to the opposite of what normal gankers do. That dream I had is called playing EVE. You should try it some time. Witty Image - Stream Not Liking this post hurts my RL feelings and will be considered harassment
Solops Crendraven Solops Inc 38	Posted - 2015.01.10 01:39:00 - [36] - Quote Mr Omniblivion wrote: This turned into a long story, my posting sucks, you probably shouldn't read it. Having a space job and managing thousands of reactor farms isn't the most fun thing to do in Eve. The POS mechanics and management system are god awful and tedious to manage, and really make the game less fun. In my state of pure boredom and tired of talking about fixing null ore anomalies, I was reminded by an associate that I could always day trip down to empire and dabble with some highsec gankery. Being that I have had a 5.0 sec status for years now, I figured that I'd give it a shot. It took us about an hour to get set up- moving from Deklein to high sec was pretty quick with instaceptors, and then using our own freighter alts to haul in enough fit t2 catalysts for us to play with for as long as we'd ever want to. Other than having fit ships, my associate and I had no idea what to expect, nor the extent of ships that we could successfully take out. We first arrived at a mackinaw shooting some rocks in a random belt- I know that mackinaws can get pretty tanky, but we decided to give it a shot anyways. A mere 5 seconds later, the mackinaw was vaporized sporting a pretty unique fit. Awesome! Nothing like our first successful highsec gank. Being that I'm not totally an ******* most of the time, I convoed the guy and inquired about his interesting choice in mods (or lack thereof). He told me that he had just resubbed and was rather upset that his ship was blown up. Rather than rub it in or whatever normal gankers do, I actually gave him a pat on the back, apologized that he was the first random kill of the day, and give him a nice "welcome back to eve :)". I even gave him some recommendations on how to fit it better and even that he could make more isk/hour running missions or doing basically anything else than what he was doing in a much cheaper ship. He was thankful and went on his way. Damn, I'm such a nice guy. Rather than just reship and gank the same system again, we decided to head back to home base and scout out some fresh targets. Using one of my several hundred afk cloaking alts, I found a mackinaw mining away at a belt in a nearby system. This guy was much more clever than the last one. He had concord already spawned at the belt, as well as his own scorpion alt next to him. Because I'm generally awful at Eve, I accidentally got too close on my cloaked alt and decloaked. The miner didn't budge; knowing that if I touched him, I would be instantly concordokkened. I don't like being smugged on, so I decided to go ahead and scan him to see what I was going up against. An okay tank, nothing major. I don't know if being scanned happens frequently in highsec, but that would be an instant red flag to me. This miner, accompanied by his alt in a scorpion and concord, fearlessly chipped away at the asteroids around him. All of a sudden, concord started to align and warp away. As they did, two freshly minted catalysts emerged from the nether and simultaneously engaged the once smug miner. Melting within seconds, the mackinaw exploded (with pretty neat graphics, I might say- one of the few times I've ever turned graphics on high), spewing the pod and its contents all over the belt. Just as I locked up the pod, the scorpion finally locked me. And then I was dead; Concord had come back whence they departed earlier. As we were warping back to reship, we continued scouting for our next targets. Hulk, Hulk, Mackinaw, Mackinaw, Skiff, Orca, all in the same belt. In retrospect, I should have batphoned some more friends to come help, but I only have one friend and he was already with me. Just us two, we quickly waited down our timers and reshipped, staying down wind of the unsuspecting miners. AFK Cloaker #67 was already at the belt, waiting for us, 5km off of the group of miners. My friend and I quickly talked about the order of events and which target to hit. Concord was called to a POCO for some reason just as two catalysts landed on grid with the exhumers. Being outnumbered and overgunned, we quickly locked up targets and engaged. Oops, I shot the wrong guy, I'm pretty awful. Luckily, my not awful friend realized I was shooting the wrong target and quickly switched over to help me. Hulk down. Mission Accomplished . For a few tens of million ISK, I had an absolute blast. There is nothing quite like hunting out unsuspecting prey and the subsequent bloodlust after your first kill. I, too, have miners of my own- yet I did not hesitate one second going out and suicide ganking in unknown space. I urge everyone to try it at least one time, as I just did last night. All you need is a catalyst, t2 blasters, some damage rigs, and full damage mods in the lows. I'm bad so I don't know what they are all called. Go find an unsuspecting Hulk or Mackinaw and become one with the catalyst. I recommend sending them an apology message after the fact for being the random victim of the day, and give them a salutary "welcome to eve". Bottom line- try something new, have a lot of fun. Suicide ganking is a great and cheap place to start. tl;dr: go try a suicide gank one time if you've never done it before- you won't regret it- as long as you kill something, hah! That gave me a Great Idea Ill get my Freighters of Thousands of fitted procurers and ECM drones for you to sucide gank and target now that would be fun. Check Me Out!!! On Twitch Tv 24/7 enter link description here
Vaerah Vahrokha Vahrokh Consulting 5621	Posted - 2015.01.10 02:01:13 - [37] - Quote Mr Omniblivion wrote: All of a sudden, concord started to align and warp away. As they did, two freshly minted catalysts emerged from the nether and simultaneously engaged the once smug miner. Melting within seconds, the mackinaw exploded (with pretty neat graphics, I might say- one of the few times I've ever turned graphics on high), spewing the pod and its contents all over the belt. Just as I locked up the pod, the scorpion finally locked me. And then I was dead; Concord had come back whence they departed earlier. ... Concord was called to a POCO for some reason just as two catalysts landed on grid with the exhumers. Being outnumbered and overgunned, we quickly locked up targets and engaged. Oops, I shot the wrong guy, I'm pretty awful. Luckily, my not awful friend realized I was shooting the wrong target and quickly switched over to help me. Hulk down. Mission Accomplished . I am Ok with you creating content and applying Darwin law in EvE. But, with all the thousands guys out there, you just HAD to exploit and corral Concord away, despite it's not OK for CCP? Because I see you try and switch to a general "third person" but it's clear it's your (and / or your friend's) alts who corral Concord away, you even give it away (twice) when you say what you have done to a ship. So, +1 for doing something active and fun, but -3 for cheating (does not matter the miners did too). Auditing \| Collateral holding and insurance \| Consulting \| PLEX for Good Charity Twitter channel
Paranoid Loyd 3468	Posted - 2015.01.10 02:05:23 - [38] - Quote Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: I am Ok with you creating content and applying Darwin law in EvE. But, with all the thousands guys out there, you just HAD to exploit and corral Concord away, despite it's not OK for CCP? Because I see you try and switch to a general "third person" but it's clear it's your (and / or your friend's) alts who corral Concord away, you even give it away (twice) when you say what you have done to a ship. So, +1 for doing something active and fun, but -3 for cheating (does not matter the miners did too). Educate yourself I wouldn't disagree with you but concord stays on grid until down time, so there needs to be a way to move them. "Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata Fix the Prospect!!!
Vaerah Vahrokha Vahrokh Consulting 5621	Posted - 2015.01.10 02:06:05 - [39] - Quote Alavaria Fera wrote: they remove it and lock the thread anyway. It's a lottery, like a loot drop from a ganked exhumer. I still recall the good times when they always dropped those T2 salvage that in the majority of times would more than cover the gank costs. And the deadspace small shields, straight out of that famous miner PDF guide! Those were the times! Auditing \| Collateral holding and insurance \| Consulting \| PLEX for Good Charity Twitter channel
Vaerah Vahrokha Vahrokh Consulting 5621	Posted - 2015.01.10 02:17:14 - [40] - Quote Paranoid Loyd wrote: Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: I am Ok with you creating content and applying Darwin law in EvE. But, with all the thousands guys out there, you just HAD to exploit and corral Concord away, despite it's not OK for CCP? Because I see you try and switch to a general "third person" but it's clear it's your (and / or your friend's) alts who corral Concord away, you even give it away (twice) when you say what you have done to a ship. So, +1 for doing something active and fun, but -3 for cheating (does not matter the miners did too). Educate yourself I wouldn't disagree with you but concord stays on grid until down time, so there needs to be a way to move them. 1) Just because "the law" does not ban you, does not mean you are not cheating (or are a poor sport anyway). You can cheat your wife all life long and, even if discovered, you won't see the evil CCP man come to your house and put you to jail. However you still cheated. 2) If you feel so straight why did you put the sentences in third persons and used allusions? 3) I have seen, lived, done and been all the oddest roles about miners ganking I could write a book. But in that book I could not write "Concord stays on grid until down time" because while technically correct, it never happens in any vaguely populated system. In order to get that situation you really need to dig HARD and go so in some deep region in the middle of nowhere where you find that lone dude and then you have to waste half hour to hop around to find the next. On the contrary, you seem to have the natural (and popular) attraction to juicy belts with stuff to pop without getting old and this involves active systems, where Concord is not going to stay up there for that long. In case of doubt you could just play and pop miners at another belt (if it's not ice / lone belt) so Concord goes there. Next, you have a Concord free belt in the first location. And here you go, a shiny sport record! Auditing \| Collateral holding and insurance \| Consulting \| PLEX for Good Charity Twitter channel
Solecist Project All Glory to the HypnoBoobs 14394	Posted - 2015.01.10 02:25:12 - [41] - Quote When the GM says it's not cheating, then it's not cheating. Wtf are you on about, VV?? I get that it's silly of CONCORD to move to the ganker's rookie ship, ignoring the obviousness of him luring him away ... ... on the other hand are your suggestions rather unpractical. You are forgetting that each new GCC costs 15min time. Waiting for another player to remove a spawn for you is silly ... ... and wasting another fifteen minutes to remove them, via a second GCC, is silly as well. I still haven't replied you. It's the topic. Or your reaction. Ralph King-Griffin > ** you sol, years, **ing years since thats happend There once was a boobee in space, from the proud gallentean race; It was like a bubble, always meant trouble and jumped right into your face!
Mr Omniblivion GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 321	Posted - 2015.01.10 02:31:51 - [42] - Quote Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: So, +1 for doing something active and fun, but -3 for cheating (does not matter the miners did too). Did you miss the part where I bumped him and decloaked, and then proceeded to scan him? I learned that it didn't even matter that someone was pulling concord- someone was only pulling one instance of concord and there were two of us. For the concord trick to fully work, someone would have to pull one group of concord for each person suicide ganking. I'll take that +3 back, thank you.
Tear Jar New Order Logistics CODE. 280	Posted - 2015.01.10 02:44:31 - [43] - Quote Aqriue wrote: Can someone explain why asteroid belts still exist and why barges/exhumers are still able to be produced? Seems if they were removed and minerals were seeded, you could actually have a game where you don't shoot stupid worthless targets that never should of existed in the first place because the vessels are so damn stupid (the pod should blow up with the ship and they should lose SP, like a T3 to save you ammo). No, never had mining vessel if mine ganked as I quickly realized how fcking boring it was, just seems if asteroids where removed, minerals seeded, the vessels and their SP not refunded back by CCP, you would actually have a more interesting game instead of paper target bragging (I r awsume! where you sound like you have mental impediments) or training to be a clay pigeon / that goat tied like in the move Jurassic Park shortly before its eaten (still cannot figure out Why would any want to be a miner? Go play minesweeper or solitaire FFS, more distracting than CCP's poor mini game of sitting in belts doing nothing). tl;dr aspect is just get rid of asteroids in general, game is far more interesting when you watch actual fights that is not some fat dude who saying how good they are at doing the easiest thing in game, like listening to someone say they are great at level 4 mission bashing I suspect that if they were making a new game CCP would definitely not include anything resembling mining. But they are afraid that eliminating it would lose a lot of subscribers who do mine and possibly wreak havoc on the general economy.
Vaerah Vahrokha Vahrokh Consulting 5621	Posted - 2015.01.10 02:48:59 - [44] - Quote Solecist Project wrote: When the GM says it's not cheating, then it's not cheating. Wtf are you on about, VV?? You love the "meta" enough to have it as a corp name, right? In my "meta", circumventing mechanics is cheating even if it's not CCP's "meta" (and therefore they won't forbid it). It's really like the "ISBoxer" debate: CCP did not forbid it but some guys felt like it was similar to cheating anyway. ISBoxer too had that rather "open ended" CCP wording, explaining "for now it's OK but we can change our minds". Once it ran rampant, CCP "changed their minds" if I recall correctly. If Concord corraling ever went out of control stay sure CCP would change their mind over that too. Gray area and stuff. I don't like gray areas, they make people use the third person like in the OP . Solecist Project wrote: You are forgetting that each new GCC costs 15min time. Waiting for another player to remove a spawn for you is silly ... ... and wasting another fifteen minutes to remove them, via a second GCC, is silly as well. Well, considering he says he got huge loads of alts, he should not be so concerned to have one or two "stuck". Solecist Project wrote: I still haven't replied you. It's the topic. Or your reaction. Yeah I tend to tell or reply things in a "diagonal, strange way" that either sting, or dig, or hurt. Or make think. Sometimes all of them. You know, the kind of stuff that make people call famous guys like Steve Jobs a visionary... and non famous guys like me: "morons". Auditing \| Collateral holding and insurance \| Consulting \| PLEX for Good Charity Twitter channel
Tear Jar New Order Logistics CODE. 280	Posted - 2015.01.10 02:53:36 - [45] - Quote Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: 1) Just because "the law" does not ban you, does not mean you are not cheating (or are a poor sport anyway). You can cheat your wife all life long and, even if discovered, you won't see the evil CCP man come to your house and put you to jail. However you still cheated. Eve is a game about using every tactic you can to win. Its designed to be unfair. The only ones who decide which tactics are in bad taste is CCP,
Tear Jar New Order Logistics CODE. 280	Posted - 2015.01.10 02:56:46 - [46] - Quote Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: Solecist Project wrote: When the GM says it's not cheating, then it's not cheating. Wtf are you on about, VV?? You love the "meta" enough to have it as a corp name, right? In my "meta", circumventing mechanics is cheating even if it's not CCP's "meta" (and therefore they won't forbid it). It's really like the "ISBoxer" debate: CCP did not forbid it but some guys felt like it was similar to cheating anyway. ISBoxer too had that rather "open ended" CCP wording, explaining "for now it's OK but we can change our minds". Once it ran rampant, CCP "changed their minds" if I recall correctly. If Concord corraling ever went out of control stay sure CCP would change their mind over that too. Gray area and stuff. I don't like gray areas, they make people use the third person like in the OP . Solecist Project wrote: You are forgetting that each new GCC costs 15min time. Waiting for another player to remove a spawn for you is silly ... ... and wasting another fifteen minutes to remove them, via a second GCC, is silly as well. Well, considering he says he got huge loads of alts, he should not be so concerned to have one or two "stuck". Solecist Project wrote: I still haven't replied you. It's the topic. Or your reaction. Yeah I tend to tell or reply things in a "diagonal, strange way" that either sting, or dig, or hurt. Or make think. Sometimes all of them. You know, the kind of stuff that make people call famous guys like Steve Jobs a visionary... and non famous guys like me: "morons". Concord coralling is used on almost every gank in highsec. In fact, its considered bad mannered in the ganking communities to not pull Concord after a gank(its a pain for the next ganker).. If there was ever a point where it was "out of control", we have definitely passed that point.
Paranoid Loyd 3469	Posted - 2015.01.10 03:06:09 - [47] - Quote Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: Paranoid Loyd wrote: Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: I am Ok with you creating content and applying Darwin law in EvE. But, with all the thousands guys out there, you just HAD to exploit and corral Concord away, despite it's not OK for CCP? Because I see you try and switch to a general "third person" but it's clear it's your (and / or your friend's) alts who corral Concord away, you even give it away (twice) when you say what you have done to a ship. So, +1 for doing something active and fun, but -3 for cheating (does not matter the miners did too). Educate yourself I wouldn't disagree with you but concord stays on grid until down time, so there needs to be a way to move them. 1) Just because "the law" does not ban you, does not mean you are not cheating (or are a poor sport anyway). You can cheat your wife all life long and, even if discovered, you won't see the evil CCP man come to your house and put you to jail. However you still cheated. 2) If you feel so straight why did you put the sentences in third persons and used allusions? 3) I have seen, lived, done and been all the oddest roles about miners ganking I could write a book. But in that book I could not write "Concord stays on grid until down time" because while technically correct, it never happens in any vaguely populated system. In order to get that situation you really need to dig HARD and go so in some deep region in the middle of nowhere where you find that lone dude and then you have to waste half hour to hop around to find the next. On the contrary, you seem to have the natural (and popular) attraction to juicy belts with stuff to pop without getting old and this involves active systems, where Concord is not going to stay up there for that long. In case of doubt you could just play and pop miners at another belt (if it's not ice / lone belt) so Concord goes there. Next, you have a Concord free belt in the first location. And here you go, a shiny sport record! So now I'm the OP? I did not speak in third person and there is no allusion in my comment. In a game, cheating is breaking the rules, simple as that. I have a lot of respect for you but you are way off base here. You did not address what I said at all. Do you feel if one gank takes place in a particular spot, there should be no more ganking in that particular spot for the entire day? Let's keep in mind we are all trying to have fun. Having such a rigid situation does not sound like fun. There needs to be a way to move them or they need to despawn in a reasonable amount of time. "Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata Fix the Prospect!!!
Vaerah Vahrokha Vahrokh Consulting 5621	Posted - 2015.01.10 03:20:06 - [48] - Quote Paranoid Loyd wrote: I have a lot of respect for you but you are way off base here. You did not address what I said at all. Do you feel if one gank takes place in a particular spot, there should be no more ganking in that particular spot for the entire day? Let's keep in mind we are all trying to have fun. Having such a rigid situation does not sound like fun. There needs to be a way to move them or they need to despawn in a reasonable amount of time. No, I actually believe Concord sitting forever somewhere has no sense. It doesn't even happen with "RL police". It should despawn after some minutes. Would auto-despawn affect some of the many EvE mechanics in a negative way? I don't recall (so many months I don't undock any more, I got rusty ). Auditing \| Collateral holding and insurance \| Consulting \| PLEX for Good Charity Twitter channel
Mr Epeen It's All About Me 7489	Posted - 2015.01.10 03:24:39 - [49] - Quote I do hope all the props in here for that BS story are sarcasm. If not then it was a great troll on all the regulars. Go read it again. With a little critical thinking (if that's even possible with you people) and notice all the holes, inconsistencies and mechanics errors. Could have been a decent story if the OP had a clue. But in the end, y'all stroked his **** and I guess that's all that matters. Mr Epeen There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
Paranoid Loyd 3469	Posted - 2015.01.10 03:31:19 - [50] - Quote Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: Paranoid Loyd wrote: I have a lot of respect for you but you are way off base here. You did not address what I said at all. Do you feel if one gank takes place in a particular spot, there should be no more ganking in that particular spot for the entire day? Let's keep in mind we are all trying to have fun. Having such a rigid situation does not sound like fun. There needs to be a way to move them or they need to despawn in a reasonable amount of time. No, I actually believe Concord sitting forever somewhere has no sense. It doesn't even happen with "RL police". It should despawn after some minutes. Would auto-despawn affect some of the many EvE mechanics in a negative way? I don't recall (so many months I don't undock any more, I got rusty ). So if they despawned, I would 100% agree with you, but they don't. So pulling them is the only way to keep the game fluid. "Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata Fix the Prospect!!!
Paranoid Loyd 3469	Posted - 2015.01.10 03:34:21 - [51] - Quote Mr Epeen wrote: I do hope all the props in here for that BS story are sarcasm. If not then it was a great troll on all the regulars. Go read it again. With a little critical thinking (if that's even possible with you people) and notice all the holes, inconsistencies and mechanics errors. Could have been a decent story if the OP had a clue. But in the end, y'all stroked his **** and I guess that's all that matters. Mr Epeen I know I'm not as smart as you, but can you elaborate? He had the kills linked but they were taken out, if you look at his KB they are there, so I'm not sure what you mean. Must be that lack of ability to critically think. Help a slow-mo thinker out. "Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata Fix the Prospect!!!
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6519	Posted - 2015.01.10 03:48:22 - [52] - Quote Considering I was in jabber with him as he was doing this, I doubt it was an elaborate story made up to provide us "content" ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears. Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers.
Tear Jar New Order Logistics CODE. 280	Posted - 2015.01.10 05:30:16 - [53] - Quote Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: Paranoid Loyd wrote: I have a lot of respect for you but you are way off base here. You did not address what I said at all. Do you feel if one gank takes place in a particular spot, there should be no more ganking in that particular spot for the entire day? Let's keep in mind we are all trying to have fun. Having such a rigid situation does not sound like fun. There needs to be a way to move them or they need to despawn in a reasonable amount of time. No, I actually believe Concord sitting forever somewhere has no sense. It doesn't even happen with "RL police". It should despawn after some minutes. Would auto-despawn affect some of the many EvE mechanics in a negative way? I don't recall (so many months I don't undock any more, I got rusty ). It would be a modest buff to solo gankers. Mainly because right now if someone double ganks in a system then it can become impossible to pull Concord off grid.
Serene Repose 2038	Posted - 2015.01.10 05:38:46 - [54] - Quote Tear Jar wrote: Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: Paranoid Loyd wrote: I have a lot of respect for you but you are way off base here. You did not address what I said at all. Do you feel if one gank takes place in a particular spot, there should be no more ganking in that particular spot for the entire day? Let's keep in mind we are all trying to have fun. Having such a rigid situation does not sound like fun. There needs to be a way to move them or they need to despawn in a reasonable amount of time. No, I actually believe Concord sitting forever somewhere has no sense. It doesn't even happen with "RL police". It should despawn after some minutes. Would auto-despawn affect some of the many EvE mechanics in a negative way? I don't recall (so many months I don't undock any more, I got rusty ). It would be a modest buff to solo gankers. Mainly because right now if someone double ganks in a system then it can become impossible to pull Concord off grid. Imagine, admitting to an exploit in public. Treason never prospers. What is the reason? Why, if it prospers, none dare call it "treason."
Dir Zen Tax Haven 5.0 0	Posted - 2015.01.10 05:53:08 - [55] - Quote Mr Epeen wrote: I do hope all the props in here for that BS story are sarcasm. If not then it was a great troll on all the regulars. Go read it again. With a little critical thinking (if that's even possible with you people) and notice all the holes, inconsistencies and mechanics errors. Could have been a decent story if the OP had a clue. But in the end, y'all stroked his **** and I guess that's all that matters. Mr Epeen Usually only quality posting from you, but you're the clueless one here. Refer to the earlier comments about the KB's being posted.
Solecist Project All Glory to the HypnoBoobs 14419	Posted - 2015.01.10 08:09:04 - [56] - Quote Serene Repose wrote: Tear Jar wrote: Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: Paranoid Loyd wrote: I have a lot of respect for you but you are way off base here. You did not address what I said at all. Do you feel if one gank takes place in a particular spot, there should be no more ganking in that particular spot for the entire day? Let's keep in mind we are all trying to have fun. Having such a rigid situation does not sound like fun. There needs to be a way to move them or they need to despawn in a reasonable amount of time. No, I actually believe Concord sitting forever somewhere has no sense. It doesn't even happen with "RL police". It should despawn after some minutes. Would auto-despawn affect some of the many EvE mechanics in a negative way? I don't recall (so many months I don't undock any more, I got rusty ). It would be a modest buff to solo gankers. Mainly because right now if someone double ganks in a system then it can become impossible to pull Concord off grid. Imagine, admitting to an exploit in public. Sure, can do. Like the postGCCwarp exploit. Two exploits, which keep the facpo off your tail. Three if we count the most obvious one. Bugreported them all. :) Some several times. (: There, what do I win? XD Ralph King-Griffin > ** you sol, years, **ing years since thats happend There once was a boobee in space, from the proud gallentean race; It was like a bubble, always meant trouble and jumped right into your face!
Serene Repose 2039	Posted - 2015.01.10 10:35:38 - [57] - Quote Solecist Project wrote: Serene Repose wrote: Tear Jar wrote: Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: Paranoid Loyd wrote: I have a lot of respect for you but you are way off base here. You did not address what I said at all. Do you feel if one gank takes place in a particular spot, there should be no more ganking in that particular spot for the entire day? Let's keep in mind we are all trying to have fun. Having such a rigid situation does not sound like fun. There needs to be a way to move them or they need to despawn in a reasonable amount of time. No, I actually believe Concord sitting forever somewhere has no sense. It doesn't even happen with "RL police". It should despawn after some minutes. Would auto-despawn affect some of the many EvE mechanics in a negative way? I don't recall (so many months I don't undock any more, I got rusty ). It would be a modest buff to solo gankers. Mainly because right now if someone double ganks in a system then it can become impossible to pull Concord off grid. Imagine, admitting to an exploit in public. Sure, can do. Like the postGCCwarp exploit. Two exploits, which keep the facpo off your tail. Three if we count the most obvious one. Bugreported them all. :) Some several times. (: There, what do I win? XD I just said "imagine" it. Geez. Treason never prospers. What is the reason? Why, if it prospers, none dare call it "treason."
Solecist Project All Glory to the HypnoBoobs 14537	Posted - 2015.01.10 11:34:54 - [58] - Quote Serene Repose wrote: I just said "imagine" it. Geez. No need, as long as it's safe talking about them. (: Ralph King-Griffin > ** you sol, years, **ing years since thats happend "I like the idea of them being spread out" - Mike Azariah, no context. ;)
Justice Zeta Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 22	Posted - 2015.01.10 11:45:16 - [59] - Quote Popping miners is a carebear activity. Nice read though.
Mr Omniblivion GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 322	Posted - 2015.01.10 17:55:09 - [60] - Quote Justice Zeta wrote: Popping miners is a carebear activity. Nice read though. I believe the proper term is "nullbear", but thanks!
ISD Ezwal ISD Community Communications Liaisons 3503	Posted - 2015.01.10 17:56:47 - [61] - Quote This thread has been moved to Crime & Punishment. ISD Ezwal Vice Admiral Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department
Mr Omniblivion GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 322	Posted - 2015.01.10 17:59:58 - [62] - Quote Well now I get to add the links back in!
John E Normus New Order Logistics CODE. 459	Posted - 2015.01.10 21:28:19 - [63] - Quote tl,dr karttoon was right Between Ignorance and Wisdom
Tengu Grib Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE. 827	Posted - 2015.01.10 23:45:57 - [64] - Quote Tear Jar wrote: Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: Paranoid Loyd wrote: I have a lot of respect for you but you are way off base here. You did not address what I said at all. Do you feel if one gank takes place in a particular spot, there should be no more ganking in that particular spot for the entire day? Let's keep in mind we are all trying to have fun. Having such a rigid situation does not sound like fun. There needs to be a way to move them or they need to despawn in a reasonable amount of time. No, I actually believe Concord sitting forever somewhere has no sense. It doesn't even happen with "RL police". It should despawn after some minutes. Would auto-despawn affect some of the many EvE mechanics in a negative way? I don't recall (so many months I don't undock any more, I got rusty ). It would be a modest buff to solo gankers. Mainly because right now if someone double ganks in a system then it can become impossible to pull Concord off grid. You actually can clear any number of concord with one person, it just takes 15 minutes per concord, and you have to know how their responses are determined. Mail me if you'd like more info. Sabriz for CSMX! A vote for Tora is a Vote for a HS Theme Park.
Tengu Grib Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE. 827	Posted - 2015.01.10 23:47:12 - [65] - Quote John E Normus wrote: tl,dr karttoon was right It's actually more worth reading than you would expect. tl;dr version: One of our noble Goon Overlords looked at our work and said, "Huh I can probably do that." And he did, and he had fun doing it. Sabriz for CSMX! A vote for Tora is a Vote for a HS Theme Park.
Veers Belvar Swordmasters of New Eden 434	Posted - 2015.01.11 00:05:59 - [66] - Quote This is pretty sad...."elite" nullsec PvP player goes to highsec to blow up some pathetic miners. What a joke. And another great example of why ganking is far too easy and consequence free and needs to meet the nerf bat.
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6521	Posted - 2015.01.11 00:14:00 - [67] - Quote Mr Omniblivion wrote: Justice Zeta wrote: Popping miners is a carebear activity. Nice read though. I believe the proper term is "nullbear", but thanks! No, the accurate modern term is actually just "gankbear" Veers Belvar wrote: This is pretty sad...."elite" nullsec PvP player Er hello, CFC here. This cannot be called elite, you are insulting the likes of progodlegend, vince draken and elo knight ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears. Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers.
Paranoid Loyd 3480	Posted - 2015.01.11 00:17:47 - [68] - Quote Tengu Grib wrote: You actually can clear any number of concord with one person, it just takes 15 minutes per concord, and you have to know how their responses are determined. Mail me if you'd like more info. Strategically placing ships before going GCC can cut that down considerably. "Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata Fix the Prospect!!!
Omar Alharazaad Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 1209	Posted - 2015.01.11 00:34:57 - [69] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: This is pretty sad...."elite" nullsec PvP player goes to highsec to blow up some pathetic miners. What a joke. And another great example of why ganking is far too easy and consequence free and needs to meet the nerf bat. Miners are pathetic? That's kind of rude, you know. I mean, many of them may be afk. Many of them may be surly and antisocial, but pathetic is just kind of mean. And there is that other matter... you know, the one where ganking carries higher consequences than most forms of high sec pvp. But we wont go there now, will we? Here. Have another chicken. It is dark here. You are likely to be eaten by a grue.
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6522	Posted - 2015.01.11 06:22:52 - [70] - Quote Omar Alharazaad wrote: And there is that other matter... you know, the one where ganking carries higher consequences than most forms of high sec pvp. (for the victor) But we wont go there now, will we? Let's. But don't link lossmails with concord on them, this sort of thing is... no wait, it's in C&P so you can... can you? ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears. Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers.
Veers Belvar Swordmasters of New Eden 434	Posted - 2015.01.11 06:49:46 - [71] - Quote Alavaria Fera wrote: Omar Alharazaad wrote: And there is that other matter... you know, the one where ganking carries higher consequences than most forms of high sec pvp. (for the victor) But we wont go there now, will we? Let's. But don't link lossmails with concord on them, this sort of thing is... no wait, it's in C&P so you can... can you? Good catch...CONCORD blows up your 5 million isk catalyst and gives you (but not your alts!) a 15 minute timeout. It's almost as harsh as the penalties for dealing drugs in Singapore. I mean, what will they think of next., perhaps a 12 isk fine as well?
Omar Alharazaad Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 1210	Posted - 2015.01.11 07:59:32 - [72] - Quote Hm. The guy who activates a killright and pops the target loses nothing. The guy who finds a war target and pops him/her/it loses nothing. The guy who suspect baits someone and pops them loses nothing. The guy who duels someone and pops them loses nothing. The guy who suicide ganks someone loses his ship every time. Your chair has no legs. It is dark here. You are likely to be eaten by a grue.
Veers Belvar Swordmasters of New Eden 434	Posted - 2015.01.11 08:06:40 - [73] - Quote Omar Alharazaad wrote: Hm. The guy who activates a killright and pops the target loses nothing. The guy who finds a war target and pops him/her/it loses nothing. The guy who suspect baits someone and pops them loses nothing. The guy who duels someone and pops them loses nothing. The guy who suicide ganks someone loses his ship every time. Your chair has no legs. Ya, people who commit CRIMES suffer the loss of their crummy 5 million isk ship. A few of them can cause billions of isk in damage. gimme a break
Cheese Crackers Death Stroke Undertaking 25	Posted - 2015.01.11 09:01:36 - [74] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: Ya, people who commit CRIMES suffer the loss of their crummy 5 million isk ship. A few of them can cause billions of isk in damage. gimme a break Well... the loss of billions of isk is inevitable when you fly untanked ships. Same goes for all ships of all sizes. Would you fly an untanked titan knowing that all of eve space is a potential pvp zone. If anything i feel that ganking can teach those whom are new or careless that if you fly untanked ships, you will lose them regardless of what kind they are. And what is there to nerf? nerf pvp? lol this is not the game for you. Nerf catalysts? Along comes the rocket corax. I used to like reading your stuff but its just become so unfruitful and tedious. not impressed.
Charlie Jacobson 276	Posted - 2015.01.11 11:13:17 - [75] - Quote Good thread! Ganking is fun indeed!
Omar Alharazaad Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 1219	Posted - 2015.01.11 14:26:11 - [76] - Quote Everything is permitted unless it isn't. So much hangup over the word crime when much of what I described above would be considered crimes (even though they aren't) by the losers. Also, your catalysts keep getting cheaper and cheaper. A fully fit "Incursus of Holy Flagellation" runs about 10 to 12 mil, depending on the quantity and quality of the ammo, drugs, and hookers in the cargo hold. If it in the process of doing something that someone else considers to be a very bad thing, manages to go boom, I would be out about 10 to 12 mil. Just like any other ship with weapons on it, it can destroy other ships. Sometimes those ships are worth 'billions and billions'. The catalyst pilot's loss is guaranteed, and if they are not already -10, they will be one step closer. What I am saying is that they already suffer steeper penalties for what they do. The ISK value of their lost ship is no more or less important than the ISK value of their exploded victim, because ISK is not a tank. Irrelevant, that's the word I was looking for. You call it a slap on the wrist because they adapt to the new environment inflicted on them by the mechanics. If only other portions of the player base would adapt to their environment changing.... then threads like these would be less frequent, or necessary. It is dark here. You are likely to be eaten by a grue.
Mag's the united 18656	Posted - 2015.01.11 14:30:22 - [77] - Quote I'd love a 5 mill gank cat. Does anyone have the fitting and magic space dust to make it work? Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Veers Belvar Swordmasters of New Eden 436	Posted - 2015.01.11 16:18:02 - [78] - Quote Mag's wrote: I'd love a 5 mill gank cat. Does anyone have the fitting and magic space dust to make it work? How much does a gank cat with all meta 1 stuff cost? Can't imagine it's over 5 mil....even meta 4 stuff should be reasonably cheap.
Skandel The Wet Spot 60	Posted - 2015.01.11 16:43:48 - [79] - Quote Mag's wrote: I'd love a 5 mill gank cat. Does anyone have the fitting and magic space dust to make it work? Poors aren't allowed to play with magic dust. It gives them hope.
Super Perforator New Order Logistics CODE. 29	Posted - 2015.01.11 16:56:59 - [80] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: This is pretty sad...."elite" nullsec PvP player goes to highsec to blow up some pathetic miners. What a joke. Elite nullsec PvP player goes to highsec to have some fun? What is sad about that? Stress? Just cool it... CODE. Diplo. Praise James!
Meilandra Vanderganken Aliastra Gallente Federation 246	Posted - 2015.01.11 18:58:15 - [81] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: Ya, people who commit CRIMES suffer the loss of their crummy 5 million isk ship. A few of them can cause billions of isk in damage. gimme a break A t1 fitted frigate can cause billions of damage in the right circumstances, clearly the problem is with the T1 frigate being overpowered.
Veers Belvar Swordmasters of New Eden 436	Posted - 2015.01.11 19:34:26 - [82] - Quote Meilandra Vanderganken wrote: Veers Belvar wrote: Ya, people who commit CRIMES suffer the loss of their crummy 5 million isk ship. A few of them can cause billions of isk in damage. gimme a break A t1 fitted frigate can cause billions of damage in the right circumstances, clearly the problem is with the T1 frigate being overpowered. The problem is that you can repeatedly commit crimes with a 5 mil isk frigate...inflict tens of billions of isk in damage, and face no real consequences. That is called a broken and dysfunctional criminal justice system.
Tengu Grib Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE. 829	Posted - 2015.01.11 19:42:52 - [83] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: Mag's wrote: I'd love a 5 mill gank cat. Does anyone have the fitting and magic space dust to make it work? How much does a gank cat with all meta 1 stuff cost? Can't imagine it's over 5 mil....even meta 4 stuff should be reasonably cheap. meta 4 is usually right around 10 mill market value (cheaper if you build the pieces you can build yourself like rigs and the damage mods). Sabriz for CSMX! A vote for Tora is a Vote for a HS Theme Park.
Tengu Grib Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE. 829	Posted - 2015.01.11 19:44:27 - [84] - Quote Paranoid Loyd wrote: Tengu Grib wrote: You actually can clear any number of concord with one person, it just takes 15 minutes per concord, and you have to know how their responses are determined. Mail me if you'd like more info. Strategically placing ships before going GCC can cut that down considerably. Yes absolutely, with safes and an orca full of shuttles or noob ships (or even just empty ones abandoned at safes) you can clear as many concord as you need to with one person in a single GCC timer. Sabriz for CSMX! A vote for Tora is a Vote for a HS Theme Park.
Tengu Grib Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE. 829	Posted - 2015.01.11 19:57:05 - [85] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: Omar Alharazaad wrote: Hm. The guy who activates a killright and pops the target loses nothing. The guy who finds a war target and pops him/her/it loses nothing. The guy who suspect baits someone and pops them loses nothing. The guy who duels someone and pops them loses nothing. The guy who suicide ganks someone loses his ship every time. Your chair has no legs. Ya, people who commit CRIMES suffer the loss of their crummy 5 million isk ship. A few of them can cause billions of isk in damage. gimme a break I can awox a corp and clean out billions in assets and isk from their coffers. I lose nothing. (in fact I gain the medal that I so generously give myself!) I think you are under the mistaken conception that crime in Eve is actually punished by the game itself, the only meaningful punishment comes from other players. If other players cannot or will not punish you, then there is no punishment. Working as intended, this is Eve. Sabriz for CSMX! A vote for Tora is a Vote for a HS Theme Park.
Veers Belvar Swordmasters of New Eden 436	Posted - 2015.01.11 20:08:43 - [86] - Quote Tengu Grib wrote: Veers Belvar wrote: Omar Alharazaad wrote: Hm. The guy who activates a killright and pops the target loses nothing. The guy who finds a war target and pops him/her/it loses nothing. The guy who suspect baits someone and pops them loses nothing. The guy who duels someone and pops them loses nothing. The guy who suicide ganks someone loses his ship every time. Your chair has no legs. Ya, people who commit CRIMES suffer the loss of their crummy 5 million isk ship. A few of them can cause billions of isk in damage. gimme a break I can awox a corp and clean out billions in assets and isk from their coffers. I lose nothing. (in fact I gain the medal that I so generously give myself!) I think you are under the mistaken conception that crime in Eve is actually punished by the game itself, the only meaningful punishment comes from other players. If other players cannot or will not punish you, then there is no punishment. Working as intended, this is Eve. You are right, awoxxing is a disaster and is broken. That's why CCP wants to get rid of it. And the fact that CONCORD blows up your ship and gives you a 15 minute GCC timer belies the idea that the only meaningful punishment is player based. Punishing suicide gankers should not be left to players who, at most, can destroy some crummy cheap gank ship. Only CCP is capable of imposing meaningful punishments that can actually deter some of the activity in question.
Super Perforator New Order Logistics CODE. 30	Posted - 2015.01.11 21:09:46 - [87] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: You are right, awoxxing is a disaster and is broken. That's why CCP wants to get rid of it. And the fact that CONCORD blows up your ship and gives you a 15 minute GCC timer belies the idea that the only meaningful punishment is player based. Punishing suicide gankers should not be left to players who, at most, can destroy some crummy cheap gank ship. Only CCP is capable of imposing meaningful punishments that can actually deter some of the activity in question. The 15 minute timer is only important if my scout finds the next target before it has run out... normally it takes me that 15 mins to pull concord, write a letter offering a mining permit to the criminal that had his illegal equipment confiscated, and in the rest of the spare time I can be refitting new cats/coercers/thrashers... and, of course, scouting out the next criminal. Stress? Just cool it... CODE. Diplo. Praise James!
John E Normus New Order Logistics CODE. 461	Posted - 2015.01.11 23:56:06 - [88] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: You are right, awoxxing is a disaster and is broken. That's why CCP wants to get rid of it. And the fact that CONCORD blows up your ship and gives you a 15 minute GCC timer belies the idea that the only meaningful punishment is player based. Punishing suicide gankers should not be left to players who, at most, can destroy some crummy cheap gank ship. Only CCP is capable of imposing meaningful punishments that can actually deter some of the activity in question. Take it easy old buddy, you're better than this. Between Ignorance and Wisdom
Tear Jar Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE. 288	Posted - 2015.01.12 03:12:26 - [89] - Quote Paranoid Loyd wrote: Tengu Grib wrote: You actually can clear any number of concord with one person, it just takes 15 minutes per concord, and you have to know how their responses are determined. Mail me if you'd like more info. Strategically placing ships before going GCC can cut that down considerably. Huh I hadn't thought about that. Thanks for the tip.
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6522	Posted - 2015.01.12 03:30:37 - [90] - Quote Tengu Grib wrote: Veers Belvar wrote: Omar Alharazaad wrote: Hm. The guy who activates a killright and pops the target loses nothing. The guy who finds a war target and pops him/her/it loses nothing. The guy who suspect baits someone and pops them loses nothing. The guy who duels someone and pops them loses nothing. The guy who suicide ganks someone loses his ship every time. Your chair has no legs. Ya, people who commit CRIMES suffer the loss of their crummy 5 million isk ship. A few of them can cause billions of isk in damage. gimme a break I can awox a corp and clean out billions in assets and isk from their coffers. I lose nothing. (in fact I gain the medal that I so generously give myself!) I think you are under the mistaken conception that crime in Eve is actually punished by the game itself, the only meaningful punishment comes from other players. If other players cannot or will not punish you, then there is no punishment. Working as intended, this is Eve. I think it's time for CCP to step in to stop this. First, of course, prevent corp awoxing in highsec... ah, wait a moment ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears. Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers.
Velicitia XS Tech 2743	Posted - 2015.01.12 12:32:34 - [91] - Quote Alavaria Fera wrote: Tengu Grib wrote: I can awox a corp and clean out billions in assets and isk from their coffers. I lose nothing. (in fact I gain the medal that I so generously give myself!) I think you are under the mistaken conception that crime in Eve is actually punished by the game itself, the only meaningful punishment comes from other players. If other players cannot or will not punish you, then there is no punishment. Working as intended, this is Eve. I think it's time for CCP to step in to stop this. First, of course, prevent corp awoxing in highsec... ah, wait a moment ugh, CCP don't do this. For the love of the Amarrian god, don't do this. One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Gaylord Fappington GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 42	Posted - 2015.01.12 15:07:23 - [92] - Quote The only thing I hate more than Goons is Goons who kill defenseless miners. Grrr.
Tengu Grib Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE. 835	Posted - 2015.01.12 18:03:43 - [93] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: Tengu Grib wrote: Veers Belvar wrote: Omar Alharazaad wrote: Hm. The guy who activates a killright and pops the target loses nothing. The guy who finds a war target and pops him/her/it loses nothing. The guy who suspect baits someone and pops them loses nothing. The guy who duels someone and pops them loses nothing. The guy who suicide ganks someone loses his ship every time. Your chair has no legs. Ya, people who commit CRIMES suffer the loss of their crummy 5 million isk ship. A few of them can cause billions of isk in damage. gimme a break I can awox a corp and clean out billions in assets and isk from their coffers. I lose nothing. (in fact I gain the medal that I so generously give myself!) I think you are under the mistaken conception that crime in Eve is actually punished by the game itself, the only meaningful punishment comes from other players. If other players cannot or will not punish you, then there is no punishment. Working as intended, this is Eve. You are right, awoxxing is a disaster and is broken. That's why CCP wants to get rid of it. And the fact that CONCORD blows up your ship and gives you a 15 minute GCC timer belies the idea that the only meaningful punishment is player based. Punishing suicide gankers should not be left to players who, at most, can destroy some crummy cheap gank ship. Only CCP is capable of imposing meaningful punishments that can actually deter some of the activity in question. The only thing they are removing is corp member flagless aggressrion. Nothing I talked about actually requires that. You live in a world where you think CCP should protect you from the bad people. Everyone else, including CCP tells you that you need to protect yourself. The tools are there. Use them. You don't need to punish the ganker if he fails to gank you. Sabriz for CSMX! A vote for Tora is a Vote for a HS Theme Park.
Veers Belvar Swordmasters of New Eden 436	Posted - 2015.01.13 04:08:07 - [94] - Quote Tengu Grib wrote: The only thing they are removing is corp member flagless aggressrion. Nothing I talked about actually requires that. You live in a world where you think CCP should protect you from the bad people. Everyone else, including CCP tells you that you need to protect yourself. The tools are there. Use them. You don't need to punish the ganker if he fails to gank you. Look, I think threat should be taken care of as well. As long as the criminal justice system does not work, there is no rational reason for highsec players to join player corps. Until the system is fixed....people will rationally choose to remain in npc corps. Gankers expose themselves to no real risk. They can inflict billions of isk in damage in cheap gank ships...never needing to risk undocking in an expensive ship. They can make their isk on nullsec alts in blue donut space. BROKEN
Vimsy Vortis Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation 1967	Posted - 2015.01.13 05:22:11 - [95] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: never needing to risk undocking in an expensive ship. They can make their isk on nullsec alts in blue donut space. BROKEN That can be said of any type of gameplay in which ship loss is common. Having an alternate source of income on a different character is hardly something that can reasonably be considered a balancing factor.
Veers Belvar Swordmasters of New Eden 436	Posted - 2015.01.13 05:24:03 - [96] - Quote Vimsy Vortis wrote: Veers Belvar wrote: never needing to risk undocking in an expensive ship. They can make their isk on nullsec alts in blue donut space. BROKEN That can be said of any type of gameplay in which ship loss is common. Having an alternate source of income on a different character is hardly something that can reasonably be considered a balancing factor. Ya, but here one group of players is effectively denying another group of players the ability to make isk...all the while being shielded from bearing the consequences of their criminality due to the ability to simply go and do PvE on nullsec alts.
Kaarous Aldurald Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 11188	Posted - 2015.01.13 05:32:06 - [97] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: Ya, but here one group of players is effectively denying another group of players the ability to make isk...all the while being shielded from bearing the consequences of their criminality due to the ability to simply go and do PvE on nullsec alts. That tends to happen when a group of people who actually play the game go up against a group of people who are just afk. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs.
Charlie Jacobson 277	Posted - 2015.01.13 08:18:11 - [98] - Quote Clearly the solution would be to disallow having alts? Everyone should only play on one character, always! (That's what I do anyway) \o/
Don Purple 1101	Posted - 2015.01.13 10:49:09 - [99] - Quote Sounds like you had fun, hit me up for fleets if you are in town :D I am just here to snuggle.
servalaan 16	Posted - 2015.01.13 16:09:56 - [100] - Quote Mr Omniblivion wrote: This turned into a long story, my posting sucks, you probably shouldn't read it. Thanks, I didn't If pinocchio told you his nose was about to grow, what would happen?
Mr Omniblivion GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 332	Posted - 2015.01.14 00:29:07 - [101] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: Ya, but here one group of players is effectively denying another group of players the ability to make isk...all the while being shielded from bearing the consequences of their criminality due to the ability to simply go and do PvE on nullsec alts. How does a suicide gank deny another group of players the ability to make isk? Those players could do any of the following to make isk: -Use a skiff -Use a procurer -Fit a decent tank -Run missions -Do literally anything else in eve Mining is the worst income/hr in the game right now bar none. The reason it is so low is because it scales so easily in having multiple accounts. Even with the nerf to broadcasting, you can still easily mine with 20 retrievers, a hauler, a tank and a booster. As long as CCP keeps mining as is, it will always be the worst profession for any individual player with one or even two accounts.
Tengu Grib Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE. 840	Posted - 2015.01.14 00:44:54 - [102] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: Tengu Grib wrote: The only thing they are removing is corp member flagless aggressrion. Nothing I talked about actually requires that. You live in a world where you think CCP should protect you from the bad people. Everyone else, including CCP tells you that you need to protect yourself. The tools are there. Use them. You don't need to punish the ganker if he fails to gank you. Look, I think threat should be taken care of as well. As long as the criminal justice system does not work, there is no rational reason for highsec players to join player corps. Until the system is fixed....people will rationally choose to remain in npc corps. Gankers expose themselves to no real risk. They can inflict billions of isk in damage in cheap gank ships...never needing to risk undocking in an expensive ship. They can make their isk on nullsec alts in blue donut space. BROKEN If they choose to ignore the methods of defending themselves from gankers I have zero sympathy for them. I also think that you vastly overstate the number of active combat awoxers (and therefore the threat they pose). In addition filtering out awoxers is something you can fairly reasonably do. You won't catch all of them but you will be able to catch the obvious ones (which is most of them). Sabriz for CSMX! A vote for Tora is a Vote for a HS Theme Park.
Don Purple 1102	Posted - 2015.01.14 06:04:57 - [103] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: Vimsy Vortis wrote: Veers Belvar wrote: never needing to risk undocking in an expensive ship. They can make their isk on nullsec alts in blue donut space. BROKEN That can be said of any type of gameplay in which ship loss is common. Having an alternate source of income on a different character is hardly something that can reasonably be considered a balancing factor. Ya, but here one group of players is effectively denying another group of players the ability to make isk...all the while being shielded from bearing the consequences of their criminality due to the ability to simply go and do PvE on nullsec alts. I have no nullsec alts currently. If I did it would only be to rob someone blind and burn whatever I could. I fly my pvp ships with my 45 killrights and counting. Not everyone plays the same. I am just here to snuggle.

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