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Pirindolo
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Posted - 2003.10.25 08:19:00 -
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I am really bored and disappointed with what happened (or better said, with what didn't happen) during the last 3 months of this game.
I can say that intertia is the only reason because I keep playing EVE, while I wait until some new mmorpg are released.
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Barnett
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Posted - 2003.10.25 09:16:00 -
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Quote: There is a very clear and simple point regardless of CCP's excuses and regardless of all other arguments. The point is the following: The features enumerated on the box and in the manual are not in the game. I paid for those features. Where are they? I could not care less if the CCP dev team has to work 18 hour days to implement them or if the company is running a loss doing this. I want what was promised, period! By not delivering the promised product, CCP is breaching an implicit contract with the customer. I suggest CCP's management take care of this and make sure the Dev team expands and gets to work.
All in all a very good point - does anyone out there who is a solicitor or someway involved in law know what the possible legal implications of this could be?
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Aristarchus
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Posted - 2003.10.25 09:42:00 -
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CCP, pls don't let this topic go unanswered! We are waiting for a valid reply. At least, for things that have been promised in CSMs. What are you planning to do about the issues raised in this thread and EXACTLY when?
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Drethen Nerevitas
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Posted - 2003.10.25 10:24:00 -
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OMG. You actually expect a reply?
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Pirindolo
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Posted - 2003.10.25 10:47:00 -
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they won't even read this.
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lynxlynx
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Posted - 2003.10.25 10:58:00 -
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very good thread!!! its a pity that ccp does not care. |
Ulendar
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Posted - 2003.10.25 11:19:00 -
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Edited by: Ulendar on 25/10/2003 11:50:26 I have seen this happen many times before. And not just in gamedevelopment either. In all things we humans do.
You get an idea, then you start realising your idea. While your working on it you get to brainstorming and get tons and tons of new ideas so you begin working towards them. These new ideas require you to change your initial idea somewhat. you have to keep in mind the future of your ideas in your initial desighn.
While your doing all this and getting more and more ideas one very true fact remains wich you may dismiss as unimportant or just a part of the facts...but the rest of the world only sees what you have done sofar and not the final idea in your head...
Lets use a building to make myself a little more clear.
Someone gets an idea. I'm gonna build a house! Then they are laying foundations, then they think...wth...IM GONNA BUILD A SKYSCRAPER!
So you start laying a bigger foundation, tearing down a few walls you built already and start making a large metal construction wich will be the first floor of your skyscraper.
Then suddenly you get another idea and think...DUDE im gonna build the TALEST building on earth...
So you start laying more foundation, placing a more solid metal construction, you tear down your previous contruction in favor of the new plan..
Then while you building up to the second floor you get YET ANOTHER IDEA...I'm gonna build the largest, most technological advanced building on earth!
So you modify you 1st floor again and chop away parts of the foundation to implement special heated floor and start putting in special equipemnt wich will in the fiture support selfcleaning kitchens and self regulating climat control and special high powered household equipment...
Now your building something unpresedented...you and your friends. This will become a milestone in the art of construction blahblah ect..;
Now while your doing all this you inviting your guests into a metal construction wich doesnt have even something as simple as a couch to sit on and its cold and drafty...
What you have now basically done is build a very very poor house wich comes short of all present day standards.
In the meantime you have spent twice as much time and twice as much money as other people have to build a good, warm and modern house. And all you have is a big, ugly, cold and metal construction with not even the slightest comforts...
Sure, one day youl have a milestone in human technology but untill then you just have an uninhabitable metal construction with no comfort whatsoever....Do you reall expect people to keep coming to dinner in your metal construction thingy untill such time its completely finished??!
Now..lets look at what youve done and why people dont believe in you anymore...
Well you started a small project with a couple friends. It was looking very good. But then you suddenly got a bigger idea..more ambitious. You talked your friends into it and you started doing it. Then you expanded your project further, your friends jumped on board and as time passed to somewhere along the line decided on building an unpresedented HUGE project....just you and your friends wich initiall joined to build a simple commen house.
Now if you would stop dreaming for 1 second you would see that A) you have no funding to build this huge technologically advanced skyscraper in any acceptable time margin, B) you have way way to little friends helping out to compleet your project in any acceptable frame of time.
While all this is hapening some other construction firm bought the lot next to you. They are building a 80 floor skyscraper. Standard tech level stuff. They arrive with a 50 head team and with corporate sponsorship. They compleet the scraper in about 2 motnhs...
People are praising your neighbour and looking at you asif you are some loser who cant get anything right...
you ask yourself WHY?!
All he built is just another skyscraper, nothing special, no special accomplishment, no nothing.
ME!! im building the tallest skyscraper EVER and its going to be so technologically advanced that it twarts all imagination...why do people think more highly of my neighbour who just did what other people have already done!
Well here comes the answer...
Your neighbour has an 80floro scraper ready for residents...fully finished with everything on it...
You have 3 floors huge floors of superhightech scraper with barely an interior wall and no decorating, no furniture..no nothing...
THIS is what people see, people see whta is there and not what you say will be there one day.
Your the loser and your neighbour is the winner eventhough his idea was a very simple one while your idea was great and glorious...
They had enough people to compleet a simple project, they had enough money to compleet a simple project...
You had enough people and money to build a simple house but somewhere along the li
Originally by: cashman It's time for Eris to get a clue. CCP should make a statement about this.
It's the exact same things as what Zombie did, you may not attack in "safe-areas" (empire/within sentry range) without loosing your ship.
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Troezar
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Posted - 2003.10.25 11:44:00 -
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CCP's lack of response means people will leave out of frustration as there doesn't appear to be any other way to get any action other than to reduce their income. I for one hope that this strategy will work and I'm still playing and waiting for something to happen................................................still waiting!
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var'ulfur
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Posted - 2003.10.25 12:40:00 -
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my my you all do whine in such a nice way. this forum is full of this same tierd kind of post but when you sign into the game and see numbers over 5k you have to ask dose anyone care? you all think making and runing massive online gams is as easy as making toast. do you have any idea how many lines of code are in this game?
Other than that its not like 13.00 bucks a month will break you. you get bored just train skills for a few weeks. i waste more money a week or coffe than i do this game in a month.
Content takes time when i got the game after playing beta i knew it would be a year till i would see any good content. i am not in a corp so things are harder. and like in all things you guys will leave the game and give up your avatar you worked months on, and two weeks later they dump all the things you have been wating for in the game.
And i have to say it if you go can i have your stuff??? |
Barnett
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Posted - 2003.10.25 13:08:00 -
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Edited by: Barnett on 25/10/2003 13:18:14 LOL we have been waiting for months Var'ulfur, I don't think that another two weeks is going to make THAT much difference!!!
The basic summary of the last four pages of debate is as follows:
The back of the box and advertising / ccp press releases promised us contetnt that is not in the game nor does it seem that it will be implemented any time soon. I wonder if there is any legal implications in any of this?
Bugs and other misc problems that have been in the game since beta / early release are still to be remedied.
The so called storyline is a complete joke.
The so called market is a complete joke with most trade routes being filled within 2 hrs of downtime.
Linking to the above we have no tools to devleop our own content or drive our own storyline. Until we can build stations and properly lay claim to areas of space / planets regional alliences in reality mean very little other than mining rights.
CCP have promised new content "soon" on many occasions but it is yet to materilaise. Now we are being told that player run stations are "atleast six months away" (use the CCP time frame calculator to work out this will eventually end up at 18 months).
Sadly I think Eve is a great concept that will eventually die a long premature death due to the complete lack of skill / forsight on the part of CCP.
It really does show that CCP are totally new to this type of thing and perhaps they need to spend money recruiting people with experience.
But there again have SSI not reduced their funding?
Ahhhh....the vicious circle goes on.
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Lliad
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Posted - 2003.10.25 13:08:00 -
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Why waste money traning skills when you can just go play another mmorpg and have fun?
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Grimmacker
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Posted - 2003.10.25 13:40:00 -
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PAY REAL MONEY TO TRAIN SKILLS!!!!LOL
Thats the stupidest thing I have heard in a long while, anyway keep this post alive.
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Pirindolo
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Posted - 2003.10.25 16:48:00 -
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If anyone wants to keep a mmorpg alive, it is absolutely necessary to add content from time to time. CCP has stopped releasing patches, because of the crappy result of the last... of all the patches.
There are 4 ways to do it:
1) Often with good content: Never seen in EVE
2) Often with crappy content: this was how CCP released patches in the past: once or twice per month, but with a lot of bugs, and not working features, adding silly contents and forgetting the important ones.
3) rarely with good content: Never seen in EVE. If you did read las CSM chat, it seems that CCP plans to take this path now. But I'm affraid, based on what happened in the last 6 months, that their good intentions will become:
4) rarely with crappy content.
How many devs have you seen around in the last 2 months besides TomB, Zrakor and T0rfifrans?
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Ana Khouri
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Posted - 2003.10.25 17:25:00 -
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Straight to the point, Barnett.
The Devs seem atm only to care about their pet projects, which will perhaps be finished in 6 months. Too bad the number of players will have shruken to 10% then. Fun fun fun...
What saves EVE is actually only one thing - there is no similar MMORPG out there (note that I said "similar", not "better"). If there would be something remotely new, innovative there - WoW for example - EVE will loose active players by the hundreds if not thousands.
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var'ulfur
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Posted - 2003.10.25 18:28:00 -
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lol what you going to play swg that have turn based combate please. and it seems few of you guys every quit just come here and whine like my grandkids.
Stavr0s said he left but i seen him on a alt avatar name he had in beta. And i dont take time off from the game i love it but like all online games i play thier are people that just like to whine and stomp thier feet.
The game has been live 6 months like i said in a year i will see. any online game i played took a year before it real got good. And a few took 4 months till you could evenplay them we all know what game that was
And one last point if paying 13 or 20 bucks a month for something and you worrie about or leaves you short on cash id say your mom sould give you more money eack week for doing your house work lol. so by all means go on whining and stomping your feet it always give me a laugh...
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Kunming
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Posted - 2003.10.25 18:41:00 -
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Quote: a wise Minmatar once said: "we are paying for beta right now, the game is not finished, a year or 18 months after release will be much much more like how the game was intended, at this time CCP will launch huge advertising campaigns and players will flood to the game, but for now CCP wants to keep it small, they want to work out the bugs, and the 30,000 that are paying great they get some income flowing in, they expect to lose some people the first year. Now as a player, you have to understand this, you treat the game like this is practice before the real release happens and your beta advantage is that your skill points and blueprints earned in that first year is going to give you a tremendous advantage."
I live and during bad times, direct my corp by these words. This isn't the final game, we are still many many moons away, but every day I play and every isk earned is one step ahead of the game i'm going to be when 10 to 20,000 people are on the server at the same time. It will come, believe me this game has the potential, just right now isn't that time. Those who stick around great lets have fun with the way the game isn't. THose who leave, have fun and i bet a good percentage of you will be back in a year and say damn i wish i was training over this year lost.
Now thats whats happening actually... CCP had orders from their financors and had to sacrifice a large protion of their players. If u dont believe me think for a second WHY CCP never answers, or does write in the "FORUM"...
Well I also had to add something, that would be a great idea or is lacking in the game: -The NPC factions like Serpentis or The Soceity have an agenda and some goals but u never see them flying around doing something... It should be added that u see crusades from the "Sisters Of Eve" and things like that and u should be able to join them. This way for u who dont have a goal yet u should find one or defende ur self agains some bigger enemy, etc...
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var'ulfur
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Posted - 2003.10.25 18:53:00 -
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(kunming) i bow to you from the qoute and the way you think. you try to help not just whine may all you dealing make you money and you will see all you enemies floating biomass in space.
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Pirindolo
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Posted - 2003.10.26 08:16:00 -
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Van Cleef
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Posted - 2003.10.28 06:30:00 -
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Through complaints, foot stomping and temper tantrums as you put it will come change. If everyone sits around waiting for something better but do not communicate what they want, nothing will happen. I would rather speak my mind than sit in angst.
Complaining does not make you a whiner, nor does mentioning good points of game make you a fanboy.
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Muacha
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Posted - 2003.10.28 07:29:00 -
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Quote: lol what you going to play swg that have turn based combate
SWG is not turn based combat and it has it's own problems. However, it seems more to my liking and that's why I've stopped playing EVE. Everyone likes different things from games but it's interesting....after 2 months away, not much has changed. I kept hoping it would but sadly....it's all the same. Canceling soon.
I hope all you that are still having fun continue to enjoy this game. It's just not for me. And I'm really bummed about that cuz I had such high hopes for it. I joined right at the retail launch and it completely consumed any free time I had for 2 solid months. Sadly since I backed off playing, I found my desire to care about the game completely evaporated. Now I'm just marking time till my sub runs out. Later
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