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FoxFire Ayderan
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Posted - 2015.01.15 04:46:26 -
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Who hasn't warped away without one's drones?
Nobody, that's who. We all do it. And we even do it after having learned our lesson many times over. (Well some of us do. )
Anyhow, it would be nice if when we enact a warp sequence to leave, if there was some sort of tone that would alert us to the fact that our drones are still out. This would give us a few brief seconds to stop the warp initiation and retrieve our drones.
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Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
2168
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Posted - 2015.01.15 05:30:55 -
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they try to scoop when you initiate warp.
EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided" "So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time"
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FoxFire Ayderan
165
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Posted - 2015.01.15 05:51:57 -
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Daichi Yamato wrote:they try to scoop when you initiate warp.
They do?
I guess I've only flown ships that get into warp pretty fast then.
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Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
2168
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Posted - 2015.01.15 05:54:04 -
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if they arent right next to you when you actually enter warp then the scoop fails naturally.
or maybe this is ONLY during a DC.
hmmmmm
EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided" "So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time"
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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Snuffed Out
7089
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Posted - 2015.01.15 06:06:38 -
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Daichi Yamato wrote:if they arent right next to you when you actually enter warp then the scoop fails naturally.
or maybe this is ONLY during a DC.
hmmmmm Auto-scooping only happens when you DC.
As for forgetting one's drones...
- having the "drone return" command as a hotkey really helps.
- keeping your drone status box open (with no condensed bars) also helps you keep an eye on your drones
- did you know that if you "group" your drones (even if they are the only group in your drone bay) you can drag them back and forth between being deployed and in your ship? No right-clicking necessary!
Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective.
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Kaerakh
Surprisingly Deep Hole Try Rerolling
504
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Posted - 2015.01.15 06:44:29 -
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ShahFluffers wrote:Daichi Yamato wrote:if they arent right next to you when you actually enter warp then the scoop fails naturally.
or maybe this is ONLY during a DC.
hmmmmm Auto-scooping only happens when you DC. As for forgetting one's drones... - having the "drone return" command as a hotkey really helps. - keeping your drone status box open (with no condensed bars) also helps you keep an eye on your drones - did you know that if you "group" your drones (even if they are the only group in your drone bay) you can drag them back and forth between being deployed and in your ship? No right-clicking necessary!
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Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
777
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Posted - 2015.01.15 13:47:11 -
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FoxFire Ayderan wrote:Who hasn't warped away without one's drones? Nobody, that's who. We all do it. And we even do it after having learned our lesson many times over. (Well some of us do.  ) Anyhow, it would be nice if when we enact a warp sequence to leave, if there was some sort of tone that would alert us to the fact that our drones are still out. This would give us a few brief seconds to stop the warp initiation and retrieve our drones.
If it's a GTFOofDodge PVP situation, then you're prolly not going to wait for you hammerII's to crawl back as your hull evaporates. Your abandoned drones are my loot for winnning the field. If it's PVE then it doesn't matter, you can just come back and get them.
What razor edge case are you citing that this is needed for?? I hope it's not "Because I am forgetfull" |

Elenahina
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
11
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Posted - 2015.01.15 14:33:49 -
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Serendipity Lost wrote:FoxFire Ayderan wrote:Who hasn't warped away without one's drones? Nobody, that's who. We all do it. And we even do it after having learned our lesson many times over. (Well some of us do.  ) Anyhow, it would be nice if when we enact a warp sequence to leave, if there was some sort of tone that would alert us to the fact that our drones are still out. This would give us a few brief seconds to stop the warp initiation and retrieve our drones. If it's a GTFOofDodge PVP situation, then you're prolly not going to wait for you hammerII's to crawl back as your hull evaporates. Your abandoned drones are my loot for winnning the field. If it's PVE then it doesn't matter, you can just come back and get them. What razor edge case are you citing that this is needed for?? I hope it's not "Because I am forgetfull"
I make a lot of money scopping abandoned drones off the field when a fight is over. |

Iain Cariaba
901
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Posted - 2015.01.15 16:24:30 -
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Kaerakh wrote:ShahFluffers wrote:Daichi Yamato wrote:if they arent right next to you when you actually enter warp then the scoop fails naturally.
or maybe this is ONLY during a DC.
hmmmmm Auto-scooping only happens when you DC. As for forgetting one's drones... - having the "drone return" command as a hotkey really helps. - keeping your drone status box open (with no condensed bars) also helps you keep an eye on your drones - did you know that if you "group" your drones (even if they are the only group in your drone bay) you can drag them back and forth between being deployed and in your ship? No right-clicking necessary! Shift+R I found it easier to remap that to Ctrl+R (which required remapping the reload shortcut) since Shift+R won't trigger as a shortcut if you were recently typing in a chat window. Once I remapped this, I no longer leave drones behind since the shortcut triggers every time.
EvE is hard. It's harder if you're stupid.
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Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
3265
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Posted - 2015.01.15 16:44:59 -
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Serendipity Lost wrote:What razor edge case are you citing that this is needed for?? I hope it's not "Because I am forgetfull" That's exactly the case he's citing.
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Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
781
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Posted - 2015.01.15 17:00:50 -
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Alvatore DiMarco wrote:Serendipity Lost wrote:What razor edge case are you citing that this is needed for?? I hope it's not "Because I am forgetfull" That's exactly the case he's citing.
Oh, OK fair enough.
Then NO, because auto correcting your forgetfulness would get rid of my ability to collect muh victory drones. |

Alundil
Isogen 5
835
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Posted - 2015.01.15 18:22:59 -
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Iain Cariaba wrote:Kaerakh wrote:ShahFluffers wrote:Daichi Yamato wrote:if they arent right next to you when you actually enter warp then the scoop fails naturally.
or maybe this is ONLY during a DC.
hmmmmm Auto-scooping only happens when you DC. As for forgetting one's drones... - having the "drone return" command as a hotkey really helps. - keeping your drone status box open (with no condensed bars) also helps you keep an eye on your drones - did you know that if you "group" your drones (even if they are the only group in your drone bay) you can drag them back and forth between being deployed and in your ship? No right-clicking necessary! Shift+R I found it easier to remap that to Ctrl+R (which required remapping the reload shortcut) since Shift+R won't trigger as a shortcut if you were recently typing in a chat window. Once I remapped this, I no longer leave drones behind since the shortcut triggers every time. Now THAT is a good idea.
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Alundil
Isogen 5
835
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Posted - 2015.01.15 18:24:29 -
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Elenahina wrote: I make a lot of money scopping abandoned drones off the field when a fight is over.
Can confirm that I love finding abandoned drones and fighters in 00 and lowsec when the ratting carriers and ishtars all panic warp as soon as a neut enters local. So funny. And pretty profitable.
I'm right behind you
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FoxFire Ayderan
165
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Posted - 2015.01.15 18:29:44 -
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Serendipity Lost wrote:
Oh, OK fair enough.
Then NO, because auto correcting your forgetfulness would get rid of my ability to collect muh victory drones.
Well, this is one of those quality of life features that CCP does like to put into the game to make it a more enjoyable experience for people.
I'm largely speaking about PvE, and yes simply forgetting them. I do this enough, but always remember soon after (like during warp or once I get to station) and then have to go back to get them. It's just aggravating. Occasionally I've entirely forgotten them prior to warping to station and logging off.
So the question is, who does CCP want to please more. Those who forget their valuable drones, when a simple reminder (tone) would alleviate that (which an advanced spaceship is likely to give you), or those who profit from someone forgetting their drones because their supremely advanced spaceship couldn't remind them that they still have drones deployed before they warp away. By-the-way, most people will remember them prior to your ever finding them (in a PvE environment).
As for PvP, it's not going to matter if someone is in a get out of dodge situation and gets a tone reminding them of deployed drones. They are going to get out of dodge regardless. |

Alison McGregor
Rapid Withdrawal
19
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Posted - 2015.01.15 19:24:37 -
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But I profit off of peoples forgetfulness.... |

Elenahina
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
14
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Posted - 2015.01.15 19:31:11 -
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Alundil wrote:Elenahina wrote: I make a lot of money scopping abandoned drones off the field when a fight is over.
Can confirm that I love finding abandoned drones and fighters in 00 and lowsec when the ratting carriers and ishtars all panic warp as soon as a neut enters local. So funny. And pretty profitable.
I found some Imperial Curators a few days ago. It was a good day. |

GhostOfDoom
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
32
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Posted - 2015.01.15 20:09:35 -
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FoxFire Ayderan wrote:Serendipity Lost wrote:
Oh, OK fair enough.
Then NO, because auto correcting your forgetfulness would get rid of my ability to collect muh victory drones.
Well, this is one of those quality of life features that CCP does like to put into the game to make it a more enjoyable experience for people. I'm largely speaking about PvE, and yes simply forgetting them. I do this enough, but always remember soon after (like during warp or once I get to station) and then have to go back to get them. It's just aggravating. Occasionally I've entirely forgotten them prior to warping to station and logging off. So the question is, who does CCP want to please more. Those who forget their valuable drones, when a simple reminder (tone) would alleviate that (which an advanced spaceship is likely to give you), or those who profit from someone forgetting their drones because their supremely advanced spaceship couldn't remind them that they still have drones deployed before they warp away. By-the-way, most people will remember them prior to your ever finding them (in a PvE environment). As for PvP, it's not going to matter if someone is in a get out of dodge situation and gets a tone reminding them of deployed drones. They are going to get out of dodge regardless.
can i just say this I have lost loads over 10 years of eve and it's part of the game.
one last thing you need to get the new app for your super advanced I phone that tells you you've left your wallet at the bar.
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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Snuffed Out
7096
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Posted - 2015.01.15 20:49:17 -
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I should also add the obligatory "EVE has sound??" quote.
hint: any player worth their salt turns off sounds so they are not bothered by a plethora of other "tones" and ringings that happen for other reasons. Plus, in-game sounds get in the way of voice chatting with other players.
Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective.
"How did you veterans start?"
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Kaerakh
Surprisingly Deep Hole Try Rerolling
508
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Posted - 2015.01.15 21:45:11 -
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ShahFluffers wrote:I should also add the obligatory "EVE has sound??" quote.
hint: any player worth their salt turns off sounds so they are not bothered by a plethora of other "tones" and ringings that happen for other reasons. Plus, in-game sounds get in the way of voice chatting with other players.
I must condemn this assertion. The wormhole jump sound and the warp arrival sounds are immensely useful tools for maintaining situational awareness.
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Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
3268
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Posted - 2015.01.15 21:48:16 -
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How many drones does a person have to forget before they consider that maybe it's time to work on a new warp-out routine that will prevent further drone loss? I mean, why should CCP do anything about solving your problem if you aren't willing to do anything about solving it either? |
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Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
786
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Posted - 2015.01.16 13:07:34 -
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FoxFire Ayderan wrote:Serendipity Lost wrote:
Oh, OK fair enough.
Then NO, because auto correcting your forgetfulness would get rid of my ability to collect muh victory drones.
Well, this is one of those quality of life features that CCP does like to put into the game to make it a more enjoyable experience for people. I'm largely speaking about PvE, and yes simply forgetting them. I do this enough, but always remember soon after (like during warp or once I get to station) and then have to go back to get them. It's just aggravating. Occasionally I've entirely forgotten them prior to warping to station and logging off. So the question is, who does CCP want to please more. Those who forget their valuable drones, when a simple reminder (tone) would alleviate that (which an advanced spaceship is likely to give you), or those who profit from someone forgetting their drones because their supremely advanced spaceship couldn't remind them that they still have drones deployed before they warp away. By-the-way, most people will remember them prior to your ever finding them (in a PvE environment). As for PvP, it's not going to matter if someone is in a get out of dodge situation and gets a tone reminding them of deployed drones. They are going to get out of dodge regardless.
Maybe you could tie a string around your finger or stick a pen in your eye while playing eve to keep you from forgetting your drones.
If I were CCP I would please Serendipity Lost over FoxFire Ayderan. Based on your premise the odds are you'll forget that you made this post anyway.
Seriously - 'I'm forgetful during PVE' doesn't seem to have enough "wooosh" behind it to change the game. As a pvp guy I really don't want to hear a FoxFire CantRememberShit beep every time I have to pull my guys out of a fight. I have enough going on. Just remember your drones and quit labelling your personal memorey shortcoming as a 'quality of life issue'. |

Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
786
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Posted - 2015.01.16 13:11:40 -
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Alvatore DiMarco wrote:How many drones does a person have to forget before they consider that maybe it's time to work on a new warp-out routine that will prevent further drone loss? I mean, why should CCP do anything about solving your problem if you aren't willing to do anything about solving it either?
Personal accoutability was banned in the late 1990s. You didn't get the memo?? |

Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders Spaceship Bebop
3638
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Posted - 2015.01.16 13:14:25 -
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Serendipity Lost wrote:Based on your premise the odds are you'll forget that you made this post anyway. Super-LOL.
Make space glamorous!
Is EVE dying or not? Ask the EVE-O Death-o-meter!
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Stacy Lone
University of Caille Gallente Federation
43
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Posted - 2015.01.16 14:27:04 -
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ShahFluffers wrote:I should also add the obligatory "EVE has sound??" quote.
hint: any player worth their salt turns off sounds so they are not bothered by a plethora of other "tones" and ringings that happen for other reasons. Plus, in-game sounds get in the way of voice chatting with other players. The wormhole activation sounds and the warp in/out sounds are important intel tools that should not be dismissed. If you ever had a scout watching a WH you'd know that.
And you know, EVEs sound is customizable. I have disabled almost everything except those WH and warp sounds. There is no need to kill all sound alltogether.
Besides, EVE has beautiful sound and music once you actually listen ;) |

Onyxa Lundra
GUBURUSH Tribal Empire
6
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Posted - 2015.01.16 14:37:47 -
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I think it will be easyer that when u start warp drones automaticaly begin returning to drone bay.If it succes or not depends just on how far they are,how fast they fly vs how fast u can warp.
So if u dieing in mission in frigate and click warp,drones began to return but u warp out faster then they can reach you.
But when u clean mission and loot the wreck in ur fatty big ship,then click warp.Thats 100% sure they can reach u in time.(they shall orbit u after fight anyway) |

FoxFire Ayderan
169
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Posted - 2015.01.16 18:01:16 -
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Alvatore DiMarco wrote: I mean, why should CCP do anything about solving your problem if you aren't willing to do anything about solving it either?
Because CCP are nice people and they like their players. And they understand often times, it's the little things that count.

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FoxFire Ayderan
169
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Posted - 2015.01.16 18:22:34 -
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Onyxa Lundra wrote:I think it will be easyer that when u start warp drones automaticaly begin returning to drone bay.If it succes or not depends just on how far they are,how fast they fly vs how fast u can warp.
So if u dieing in mission in frigate and click warp,drones began to return but u warp out faster then they can reach you.
Not a bad idea as well.
Speaking of drones, I'd like to set them to not orbit me but sit stationary near my ship. I think that'd be even cooler than the orbiting. (Well except to the people - who troll F&I - that hate making EVE cooler. ) Perhaps I'll make a new post.
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Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
787
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Posted - 2015.01.16 18:38:53 -
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FoxFire Ayderan wrote:Onyxa Lundra wrote:I think it will be easyer that when u start warp drones automaticaly begin returning to drone bay.If it succes or not depends just on how far they are,how fast they fly vs how fast u can warp.
So if u dieing in mission in frigate and click warp,drones began to return but u warp out faster then they can reach you.
Not a bad idea as well. Speaking of drones, I'd like to set them to not orbit me but sit stationary near my ship. I think that'd be even cooler than the orbiting. (Well except to the people - who troll F&I - that hate making EVE cooler.  ) Perhaps I'll make a new post.
Disagreeing isn't the same as trolling. Did you try my 'put a pen in your eye' trick to see if that keeps you from forgetting? What do you do when your mother doesn't cut your sammich in half at lunch time? I have so many questions for you, I just don't know where to begin.
You're drone beep thing will make your play cooler. Your beep idea will add just one more thing that annoys the playing of my game. I guess it's your lack of empathy that is most disturbing, but then again, when one is at the center of the universe... what purpose would empathy server? |

FoxFire Ayderan
169
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Posted - 2015.01.16 18:49:08 -
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Serendipity Lost wrote: Did you try my 'put a pen in your eye' trick to see if that keeps you from forgetting? I did that. It didn't work. And it kind of hurt. 
Serendipity Lost wrote: What do you do when your mother doesn't cut your sammich in half at lunch time? I have so many questions for you, I just don't know where to begin.
What are you talking about? I thought sandwiches naturally came in four little squares. Mommy 'cuts' them? Also... what is 'cut'? Is that like when you get a boo-boo?
I too have many questions. 
Serendipity Lost wrote: You're drone beep thing will make your play cooler. Your beep idea will add just one more thing that annoys the playing of my game. I guess it's your lack of empathy that is most disturbing, but then again, when one is at the center of the universe... what purpose would empathy server?
Now when did I say this reminder tone would be mandatory? Like with most such changes or additions to the game, I believe in there being 'options'. Surely if they program this in,they can also program in a checkbox to choose whether it's on or off.
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Zimmer Jones
Aliastra Gallente Federation
45
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Posted - 2015.01.16 19:04:36 -
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I love drones, they're probably my go-to weapon for dps in the game. I love your drones because you don't bind your keys and i get to scoop them. I also love drones because I have gotten in fights where my enemies killed my all drones, and i just scooped the drones of the ones i killed or chased off and had my satisfaction in beating them, doubly so for doing it with their own weapons.
Now if the game wiped your bum for you by auto scooping your drones, it would also deny me access to your weapons as you "tactically reposition yourself" by running away. Why would I support this?
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