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Iain Cariaba
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Posted - 2015.01.16 20:38:15 -
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FoxFire Ayderan wrote:Serendipity Lost wrote:You're drone beep thing will make your play cooler. Your beep idea will add just one more thing that annoys the playing of my game. I guess it's your lack of empathy that is most disturbing, but then again, when one is at the center of the universe... what purpose would empathy server? Now when did I say this reminder tone would be mandatory? Like with most such changes or additions to the game, I believe in there being 'options'. Surely if they program this in,they can also program in a checkbox to choose whether it's on or off. So I either get annoyed by the beep you need because you have CRS, or I get annoyed by having to go turn off this beep on all my toons, across my multiple accounts, across multiple computers I play EvE on, all because you have CRS.
Here's a better idea, learn to remember ****.
EvE is hard. It's harder if you're stupid.
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FoxFire Ayderan
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Posted - 2015.01.16 21:11:57 -
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Iain Cariaba wrote:
Here's a better idea, learn to remember ****.
This is a light-years more advanced civilization than our own. Such a reminder tone would be the least of the capabilities incorporated into our ships.
This may come as a big surprise to all of you nay-sayers questioning my mental acuity, but it's actually been AGES since I've ever left any drones behind. (Despite my allusion to doing so). It was certainly a much greater problem when I was a newer player. The last couple times I've almost warped away without my drones, I realized in enough time to stop the warp sequence and retrieve them.
What spurred my idea post was the last time I did nearly forget and recalling how that was a big frustration and headache when I was new to the game, before it became something that was more second-nature.
I'm sure there are those who do still accidentally leave drones behind, and it's certainly a problem among newer players for who CCP has a vested interest in reducing the frustration of (despite their competing desire to please wicked-vets who like to prey on the inexperience and misfortunes of noobs).
I suspect in CCP's eyes, reducing player frustration (and particularly new player frustration) trumps the joy you may infrequently have at finding abandoned drones.
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Iain Cariaba
910
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Posted - 2015.01.16 21:20:39 -
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FoxFire Ayderan wrote:Iain Cariaba wrote:
Here's a better idea, learn to remember ****.
This is a light-years more advanced civilization than our own. Such a reminder tone would be the least of the capabilities incorporated into our ships. This may come as a big surprise to all of you nay-sayers questioning my mental acuity, but it's actually been AGES since I've ever left any drones behind. (Despite my allusion to doing so). It was certainly a much greater problem when I was a newer player. The last couple times I've almost warped away without my drones, I realized in enough time to stop the warp sequence and retrieve them. What spurred my idea post was the last time I did nearly forget and recalling how that was a big frustration and headache when I was new to the game, before it became something that was more second-nature. I'm sure there are those who do still accidentally leave drones behind, and it's certainly a problem among newer players for who CCP has a vested interest in reducing the frustration of (despite their competing desire to please wicked-vets who like to prey on the inexperience and misfortunes of noobs). I suspect in CCP's eyes, reducing player frustration (and particularly new player frustration) trumps the joy you may infrequently have at finding abandoned drones. Ahh, we've finally gotten to the stage where you claim that this isn't a problem for you, but you want this for the newbies...
Denial and bargaining at once, as is typical in this stage of the process. Soon will come the acceptance that you've come up with a bad idea, and this thread can finally die.
EvE is hard. It's harder if you're stupid.
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Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
3274
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Posted - 2015.01.16 21:35:30 -
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FoxFire Ayderan wrote:Iain Cariaba wrote:
Here's a better idea, learn to remember ****.
This is a light-years more advanced civilization than our own. Such a reminder tone would be the least of the capabilities incorporated into our ships.
Capsuleer training is indescribably rigorous and beyond demanding; less than 1% of applicants get into the training program and less than 1% of those accepted applicants actually get through the whole process of education and psychological conditioning. Of those, many don't take the required final step of giving up their original bodies via euthanasia and becoming clones. With all those "1% of 1%" scenarios, you'd think that the people who do become pod-pilots would have the memory function required to do something as basic as recalling their drones.
I have my copy of EVE: Source here on the desk and all the chronicles, short stories and scientific articles right in my EVE bookmarks; would you like to continue attempting to use lore as a justification for your pants-on-head ridiculous idea? |
FoxFire Ayderan
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Posted - 2015.01.16 21:35:42 -
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Iain Cariaba wrote: Ahh, we've finally gotten to the stage where you claim that this isn't a problem for you, but you want this for the newbies...
Denial and bargaining at once, as is typical in this stage of the process. Soon will come the acceptance that you've come up with a bad idea, and this thread can finally die.
Well I couldn't care less what you think. Let's just say I forget my drones EVERY time I launch them. Often immediately after I've launched them. Does that make you feel better?
However the point still stands and is entirely valid. If this reduces player frustration (which it would), at the expense of your occasionally benefiting from someone accidentally leaving drones behind, CCP will consider it a valuable addition to the game. I'm not here to convince you that it would be, but rather CCP.
If they think it makes sense and would add value to the game, particularly for a key audience (new players they wish to retain), while having minimal impact on existing players enjoyment (as I believe this would despite your protestations), then they will wish to implement it.
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James Baboli
Ferrous Infernum
474
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Posted - 2015.01.16 21:39:21 -
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Kaerakh wrote:ShahFluffers wrote:I should also add the obligatory "EVE has sound??" quote.
hint: any player worth their salt turns off sounds so they are not bothered by a plethora of other "tones" and ringings that happen for other reasons. Plus, in-game sounds get in the way of voice chatting with other players. I must condemn this assertion. The wormhole jump sound and the warp arrival sounds are immensely useful tools for maintaining situational awareness. As are damage alarms for high info load people liks fcs and other leadershipy peoplem
Making battleships worth the warp
Tech 3 battleships.
Moar battleships
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Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
3274
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Posted - 2015.01.16 21:39:37 -
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FoxFire Ayderan wrote:Iain Cariaba wrote: Ahh, we've finally gotten to the stage where you claim that this isn't a problem for you, but you want this for the newbies...
Denial and bargaining at once, as is typical in this stage of the process. Soon will come the acceptance that you've come up with a bad idea, and this thread can finally die.
Well I couldn't care less what you think. Let's just say I forget my drones EVERY time I launch them. Often immediately after I've launched them. Does that make you feel better? However the point still stands and is entirely valid. If this reduces player frustration (which it would), at the expense of your occasionally benefiting from someone accidentally leaving drones behind, CCP will consider it a valuable addition to the game. I'm not here to convince you that it would be, but rather CCP. If they think it makes sense and would add value to the game, particularly for a key audience (new players they wish to retain), while having minimal impact on existing players enjoyment (as I believe this would despite your protestations), then they will wish to implement it.
The amount of player frustration such a change would reduce and the degree to which it would be a quality of life increase are not nearly enough to justify the exponentially more significant amount of dev time that would be required. Game development of any kind is not free and the ROI is simply not there in this case. HTFU and learn to recall your drones. It's not an unreasonable situation.
At this point I must insist you study this guide and learn how to stop posting so badly. |
FoxFire Ayderan
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Posted - 2015.01.16 21:41:22 -
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Alvatore DiMarco wrote:... would you like to continue attempting to use lore as a justification for your pants-on-head ridiculous idea?
If you're going to troll, try not to be so blatantly obvious about it.
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FoxFire Ayderan
169
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Posted - 2015.01.16 21:45:35 -
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I'm sure they appreciate your expert advice regarding it, but I think we can leave CCP to decide on the value and ROI of implementing any change or new functionality to their game.
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Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
3274
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Posted - 2015.01.16 21:46:39 -
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FoxFire Ayderan wrote:I'm sure they appreciate your expert advice regarding it, but I think we can leave CCP to decide on the value and ROI of implementing any change or new functionality to their game. So it's okay when you make decisions about what CCP will say or do, but anyone else should leave it to CCP.
FoxFire Ayderan wrote:Well I couldn't care less what you think. ...and yet you posted here in F&I.
ISD, I think we've had enough. |
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Swiftstrike1
Swiftstrike Incorporated
858
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Posted - 2015.01.16 21:51:03 -
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Daichi Yamato wrote:they try to scoop when you initiate warp. No they don't. This is only true for emergency warps i.e. when you log out in space or are disconnected. When you initiate a normal warp, there is no automatic drone recall command.
Targeting, Sensors and ECM Overhaul
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FoxFire Ayderan
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Posted - 2015.01.16 21:55:04 -
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Alvatore DiMarco wrote: So it's okay when you make decisions about what CCP will say or do, but anyone else should leave it to CCP.
I've only provided speculation on the value of this idea and explicitly stated it's for CCP to decide.
You flat out stated that the ROI is not there.
Alvatore DiMarco wrote: ...and yet you posted here in F&I.
ISD, I think we've had enough.
I guess you speak for ISD now as well. Are you the official thread derailer? I've noticed an exceedingly high number of such engagements by you.
Wouldn't it be funny though if after your suggestion to ISD, if they gave YOU a time-out. |
James Baboli
Ferrous Infernum
474
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Posted - 2015.01.16 22:25:44 -
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FoxFire Ayderan wrote:Iain Cariaba wrote: Ahh, we've finally gotten to the stage where you claim that this isn't a problem for you, but you want this for the newbies...
Denial and bargaining at once, as is typical in this stage of the process. Soon will come the acceptance that you've come up with a bad idea, and this thread can finally die.
Well I couldn't care less what you think. Let's just say I forget my drones EVERY time I launch them. Often immediately after I've launched them. Does that make you feel better? However the point still stands and is entirely valid. If this reduces player frustration (which it would), at the expense of your occasionally benefiting from someone accidentally leaving drones behind, CCP will consider it a valuable addition to the game. I'm not here to convince you that it would be, but rather CCP. If they think it makes sense and would add value to the game, particularly for a key audience (new players they wish to retain), while having minimal impact on existing players enjoyment (as I believe this would despite your protestations), then they will wish to implement it. Ah. The fabled "for the newbies" argument. I will invoke malcanis's law and remind you that A: drones aren't one of the weapons you encounter in the tutorial s for newbies and that this is much more to the advantage of a midrange to higher end player as they are more likely to be the people able to fly the drone based doctrines.
Making battleships worth the warp
Tech 3 battleships.
Moar battleships
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James Baboli
Ferrous Infernum
474
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Posted - 2015.01.16 22:36:19 -
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FoxFire Ayderan wrote:Alvatore DiMarco wrote: ...and yet you posted here in F&I.
ISD, I think we've had enough.
I guess you speak for ISD now as well. Are you the official thread derailer? I've noticed an exceedingly high number of such engagements by you. Wouldn't it be funny though if after your suggestion to ISD, if they gave YOU a time-out. Generally because he is good at dealing out the finishing blows to ideas which aren't well thought put, are more controversial than the merits warrant and/o r have originators who turn hostile under criticism.
Making battleships worth the warp
Tech 3 battleships.
Moar battleships
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Zimmer Jones
Aliastra Gallente Federation
47
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Posted - 2015.01.16 22:46:30 -
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As a cute noob I lost drones a few times, and the cost of the t1s was enough to get me to bind keys and not forget to recall. I trained them before I even trained guns because of the discription of gallente said the were good at drones. Good thing too because in 2007 railguns were crap and blasters were difficult at best. Drones have always been awesome for me. Its that early lesson that's needed, to always hit recall.
This can be done with a mission where the player gets a drone, kills a rat and has deliver the drone. The player is reminded to possibly change the binding keys. If they forget the drone they have to go get it and if they don't the agent will still nag them to always retract drones. Then on player learns for himself. No extra bells and whistles needed, just another NPE. Just form good habits early. |
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2015.01.17 23:32:11 -
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Quote:Forum rules27. Off-topic posting is prohibited.Off-topic posting is permitted within reason, as sometimes a single comment may color or lighten the tone of discussion. However, excessive posting of off-topic remarks in an attempt to derail a thread may result in the thread being locked, or a forum warning being issued to the off-topic poster. Thread closed.
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
Captain
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
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