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Lord Parallax Phoenix Industries Wicked Nations 5	Posted - 2015.01.16 02:11:46 - [1] - Quote So I am sitting in space cloaked up scouting local, have a few reds in system but no war targets. Then my alliance chat starts flashing I take a look and it is one of our miners linking his retriever and his pod loss. I look at who the aggressor is and it is a member of the corp we are at war with, I look back and local and it still says the pilot is a member of their alt corp not a member of the War corp. I look at his bio and it updates to say that the pilot had switched corps not more than a few minutes ago.. but he hasn't registered as a war target at all. Is this legal?
Ned Thomas Hellbound Turkeys Alliance of Abandoned Cybernetic Rejects 622	Posted - 2015.01.16 02:14:28 - [2] - Quote So far as I know, yes it is. However, a few corp mates have had their ships replaced after losing them to this tactic. So it may be considered to be an exploit. Vote Sabriz!
Unsuccessful At Everything The Troll Bridge 19375	Posted - 2015.01.16 02:25:48 - [3] - Quote Support ticket. Like nuking stuff from orbit, its the only way to be sure. *Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?* Vote Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10!
Marlona Sky Burning Napalm Northern Coalition. 5864	Posted - 2015.01.16 02:35:27 - [4] - Quote What is the time frame from joint the corp and attacking a war target? I believe there was something mentioned a while back about doing it too fast is a no no. But like what was said, file a petition before you accidentally get yourself into trouble. The Paradox
Mr Epeen It's All About Me 7521	Posted - 2015.01.16 02:36:28 - [5] - Quote Ned Thomas wrote: However, a few corp mates have had their ships replaced after losing them to this tactic. So it may be considered to be an exploit. **** the ship replacement thing. The number one thing CCP can do is remove kill reports if the kill was deemed illegal. All these morons care about is their KB. So if the kills are denied and not API verifiable, most grief type behavior will become a rare thing. Mr Epeen There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
Marsan 253	Posted - 2015.01.16 02:37:39 - [6] - Quote Corp hopping is sort of a grey area. If you leave or join corp during a war it's fine even if it's to avoid or attack war targets. Things get grey when you start doing things where you swap corps to take advantage of in game issues with the overview or con people into condording themselves or ignoring you. In the past I've had war targets pop into station, drop corp, undock, lock me as if they were going to attack me. They were also still red in the overview. You report the issue sometimes people get banned, sometimes not. It's clear this is the sort of thing that GMs don't like, but it's not clear where the line is. It's made more fuzzy as you aren't allowed to post the ban when a GM gave you a ban of X days or gave you a warning. Not to mention you get no feedback reporting. Former forum cheerleader CCP, now just a grumpy small portion of the community.
Ned Thomas Hellbound Turkeys Alliance of Abandoned Cybernetic Rejects 622	Posted - 2015.01.16 02:47:56 - [7] - Quote Mr Epeen wrote: Ned Thomas wrote: However, a few corp mates have had their ships replaced after losing them to this tactic. So it may be considered to be an exploit. **** the ship replacement thing. The number one thing CCP can do is remove kill reports if the kill was deemed illegal. All these morons care about is their KB. So if the kills are denied and not API verifiable, most grief type behavior will become a rare thing. Mr Epeen We were all pretty surprised when the ships were given back. I know one guy filed a ticket, but I don't think everyone who had their ships replaced all filed tickets. Personally, I was fine with just tipping my hat to a a well timed and planned attack. Vote Sabriz!
Shailagh Ministry of War Amarr Empire 20	Posted - 2015.01.16 03:10:10 - [8] - Quote This aint no grey area. Ccp has stated exactly what is sploit and what is allowed reguarding this is many places many times. YOU MUST HAVE A SESSION CHANGE BETWEEN JOINING CORP AND KILLING WARTARGET. YOU CANNOT BE ON GRID WITH SOON-TO-BE WARTARGET AND JOIN THEN SHOOT RIGHT AWAY. YOU MUST SESSION CHANGE. IE UNDOCK FROM STATION YOU JOINED AT OR WARP INTO SYSYTEM FROM THE GATE YOU WERE AT WHILE JOINING. And to make this problem solve itself now... THERE IS NOW A MANDATORY SESSION CHANGE WHEN ANYONE JOINS CORP NOW. YOU MUST BE IN POD OR DOCKED TO JOIN NOW SO THERE IS ALWAYS A SESSION CHANGE. So dudes. No grey area no he said she said. Session change=valid war target
Vector Symian 0 Fear 20	Posted - 2015.01.16 03:34:52 - [9] - Quote If they hold roles in the corp their is a 24 cool down timer before they can leave so as long as they have roles they wont do it as a effective strategy
Ned Thomas Hellbound Turkeys Alliance of Abandoned Cybernetic Rejects 622	Posted - 2015.01.16 03:46:39 - [10] - Quote Here's the order that it works in: 1. Killer1 is offered a spot in MercCorp1. 2. MercCorp1 declares war on IndyFolks Inc. 3. The 24 hours passes between the war dec and the war becoming active. 4. The moment the war is active, Killer1 accepts his invitation to MercCorp1, thus making everyone in IndyFolks Inc. a viable target. Vote Sabriz!
Shailagh Ministry of War Amarr Empire 20	Posted - 2015.01.16 04:04:02 - [11] - Quote Ned Thomas wrote: Here's the order that it works in: 1. Killer1 is offered a spot in MercCorp1. 2. MercCorp1 declares war on IndyFolks Inc. 3. The 24 hours passes between the war dec and the war becoming active. 4. The moment the war is active, Killer1 accepts his invitation to MercCorp1, thus making everyone in IndyFolks Inc. a viable target. That is totally legal unless dude is on grid with soon-to-be target or somehow (impossible now after new change they just made) dude doesnt session change. Its legal bro. Dude can be in next belt in a ship, eject to pod, accept app, WAIT FOR SESSION CHANGE, reboard ship then go kill. KEY WORD IS SESSION CHANGE. CCP STATED THIS MANY TIMES. ITS ON THE OFFICIAL EXPLOIT PAGE TOO. GO READ IT. SESSSSSSSION CHANGE/NOT ON GRID===LEGAL MECHANIC
Rawketsled Generic Corp Name 59	Posted - 2015.01.16 04:17:50 - [12] - Quote I too like to use the Caps Lock key.
Ned Thomas Hellbound Turkeys Alliance of Abandoned Cybernetic Rejects 622	Posted - 2015.01.16 04:20:54 - [13] - Quote Rawketsled wrote: I too like to use the Caps Lock key. Eh, he ain't wrong though. Session change is key. Vote Sabriz!
J'Poll Green Skull LLC 5481	Posted - 2015.01.16 05:34:32 - [14] - Quote Vector Symian wrote: If they hold roles in the corp their is a 24 cool down timer before they can leave so as long as they have roles they wont do it as a effective strategy This is so 2014. You do know that even with director roles, you can instantly quit a corp now? Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded Public roams channels: RvB Ganked / Redemption Road / Spectre Fleet / Bombers bar / The Content Club
Lord Parallax Phoenix Industries Wicked Nations 5	Posted - 2015.01.16 07:39:52 - [15] - Quote Ok. So if it requires a session change. How is it that he did not show up as a valid war target for almost half an hour after he changed corps and made the kill? I did not see him on my local list as 1 until he left system and came back.
J'Poll Green Skull LLC 5481	Posted - 2015.01.16 08:10:30 - [16] - Quote Delete for forum cleaning sake. Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded Public roams channels: RvB Ganked / Redemption Road / Spectre Fleet / Bombers bar / The Content Club
zindeen Poor Old Ornery nOObs Brothers of Tangra 0	Posted - 2015.01.16 08:28:15 - [17] - Quote You did not see him in local does not mean he was not there. Could of been something as simple as having a alt floating beside you waiting for the kill
Gregor Parud 917	Posted - 2015.01.16 09:41:20 - [18] - Quote Lord Parallax wrote: So I am sitting in space cloaked up scouting local, have a few reds in system but no war targets. Then my alliance chat starts flashing I take a look and it is one of our miners linking his retriever and his pod loss. I look at who the aggressor is and it is a member of the corp we are at war with, I look back and local and it still says the pilot is a member of their alt corp not a member of the War corp. I look at his bio and it updates to say that the pilot had switched corps not more than a few minutes ago.. but he hasn't registered as a war target at all. Is this legal? It's a bit arbitrary but generally speaking if the corp change happened while not being in system where the attack happened then it's fine as it'll show the player with the correct flags. If the corp change happened in the system the attack happened moments later then it can be deemed an exploit.
Ramona McCandless The McCandless Clan 7367	Posted - 2015.01.16 09:46:37 - [19] - Quote Ohhhhhh "Hopping"! Not Hoping. I was extremely confused about the title. "Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway "A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Serene Repose 2092	Posted - 2015.01.16 09:46:44 - [20] - Quote Unsuccessful At Everything wrote: Like nuking stuff from orbit, its the only way to be sure. You keep quoting Ellen Ripley. Why you keep quoting Ellen Ripley? I thought it was "hoping" too. I thought, how absurd hoping to surprise a war target with your war. Then, I'm reading about corp hopping in reverse, hopping in to attack, not to run? Treason never prospers. What is the reason? Why, if it prospers, none dare call it "treason."
Ralph King-Griffin Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 8527	Posted - 2015.01.16 10:08:23 - [21] - Quote Ned Thomas wrote: Rawketsled wrote: I too like to use the Caps Lock key. Eh, he ain't wrong though. Session change is key. True but still, IT CAPITALISES NORMALLY OR ELSE IT GETS THE TROLL AGAIN. As far as I'm aware it is considered sketchy if one or both of ye might be taking advantage of the overview bug. Whenever a war goes live while we are online most of us will relog to be absolutely safe and we tend to time them so they go live around downtime so as to prevent this thing happeng accidentally. "I'm also quite confident that you are laughing and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers." =]I[=
Solecist Project All Glory to the HypnoBoobs 18447	Posted - 2015.01.16 10:27:10 - [22] - Quote I HAVE CLOTHES ON OKAY??? Ralph King-Griffin > ** you sol, years, **ing years since thats happend The Cuppy Cake Song <3 <3 <3 :D :D :D Come along now, come along with me and I'll eeaasee your pain..
ISD Ezwal ISD Community Communications Liaisons 3619	Posted - 2015.01.16 10:55:24 - [23] - Quote I have removed a rule breaking post . The Rules: 27. Off-topic posting is prohibited. Off-topic posting is permitted within reason, as sometimes a single comment may color or lighten the tone of discussion. However, excessive posting of off-topic remarks in an attempt to derail a thread may result in the thread being locked, or a forum warning being issued to the off-topic poster. ISD Ezwal Vice Admiral Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department
Dradis Aulmais By Light and Banner's Fallen 625	Posted - 2015.01.16 14:20:37 - [24] - Quote You have several different answers from us forum warriors. Go petition CCP they are the only ones who will give you the right answer. CAPS LOCK MANDITORY RAGE COMMENT HERE
Vincent Athena V.I.C.E. 3086	Posted - 2015.01.19 05:51:55 - [25] - Quote Why was someone flying a retriever during an active war? Know a Frozen fan? Check this out Frozen fanfiction
Nevyn Auscent Broke Sauce 1879	Posted - 2015.01.19 08:23:52 - [26] - Quote Vincent Athena wrote: Why was someone flying a retriever during an active war? Because they were watching local and deep scan? And therefore if not for the exploit would have been safe? Just a thought of course.
Jaantrag 11	Posted - 2015.01.19 09:11:28 - [27] - Quote A. Ticket B. Session change might work for the one jumping corps, but not always the change show up on the other players overview or local list. plenty of times ive seen players i have set in my contacts list coming to system showing as neutrals, untill i go thro a session change myself, or do something else to make the standings f5 themself.
Nami Kumamato School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 485	Posted - 2015.01.19 09:13:40 - [28] - Quote Unsuccessful At Everything wrote: Support ticket. Like nuking stuff from orbit, its the only way to be sure. State-of-the-badasss-art reference right there! " And now my ship is oh so cloaked and fit - I never felt so good, I never felt so hid ! " - Ramona McCandless, Untitled
Shailagh Ministry of War Amarr Empire 28	Posted - 2015.01.19 14:48:38 - [29] - Quote Jaantrag wrote: A. Ticket B. Session change might work for the one jumping corps, but not always the change show up on the other players overview or local list. plenty of times ive seen players i have set in my contacts list coming to system showing as neutrals, untill i go thro a session change myself, or do something else to make the standings f5 themself. How am i supposed to make YOU perfom a session change while your mining? LolWut? If the agressor performs a session change== legal. WHAT IS SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND ABOUT THIS OMG
Red Teufel Mafia Redux 412	Posted - 2015.01.19 14:58:25 - [30] - Quote You need to look at it this way. If they are corp hoping they are defeated. Their organization is so terrible that they are willing to abandon it and form a new one to avoid a war with you. Time to move on.
Shailagh Ministry of War Amarr Empire 28	Posted - 2015.01.19 15:07:16 - [31] - Quote Red Teufel wrote: You need to look at it this way. If they are corp hoping they are defeated. Their organization is so terrible that they are willing to abandon it and form a new one to avoid a war with you. Time to move on. 1. They should pay the 50mill min dec fee back to agressors then. 2. YOU NEED TO LOOK AT IT THW OTHER WAY, AS IN THE WAY THIS THREAD IS ABOUT BRAH. MAYBE U SHOULD GO AHEAD AND READ THE OP AGAIN DUdE
Agent Unknown Night Theifs DamnedNation 3	Posted - 2015.01.19 15:09:05 - [32] - Quote I've seen the local list do some funny things. More than once I've seen blues be reported in an intel channel because local showed them as neutral but when you "Show Info" them, they're blue. I've encountered this myself as well and session changes (like docking) didn't clear it. There were 5 "neutrals" in the same system I was in, but 4 of them were actually blue to me (one of them an alliance mate, even!). Only one was neutral. Since then, I've grown to not trust the local list and usually "show info" people I don't recognize if they appear neutral. So, it's really quite possible that they didn't show up as a war target even after a session change.
Shailagh Ministry of War Amarr Empire 28	Posted - 2015.01.19 15:13:08 - [33] - Quote Agent Unknown wrote: I've seen the local list do some funny things. More than once I've seen blues be reported in an intel channel because local showed them as neutral but when you "Show Info" them, they're blue. I've encountered this myself as well and session changes (like docking) didn't clear it. There were 5 "neutrals" in the same system I was in, but 4 of them were actually blue to me (one of them an alliance mate, even!). Only one was neutral. Since then, I've grown to not trust the local list and usually "show info" people I don't recognize if they appear neutral. So, it's really quite possible that they didn't show up as a war target even after a session change. Errrytime i ever died in a war, id like all my ships replaced then cuz ummmm LOCAL WAS BUGGED N THEY WERENT RED I SWEAR! THEY EVEN CONVOED ME AND MADE ME SESSION CHANGE YET THEY STILL WERE NOT REDS. I WANT ISK WAAAAAA WHAAA
Jenshae Chiroptera The Volition Cult 766	Posted - 2015.01.19 16:04:37 - [34] - Quote I love my alliance. We don't care about war declarations. Either people know how to get in and out for their shopping or we shake our heads with a warm smile and tell the silly thing how to do it better next time. I am so glad to not have to worry about them any longer. That said though, if you have a network of scouts to keep your carebear safe and some guy hops in from a NPC corp within that net, it is really under handed. The defenders have done their best but some cheating leaves no response time. To the OP - maybe it is time to get a POS, stick your miners in a worm hole for a bit (make sure you have Deep Space transports or geared up ore haulers) and don't let them out until the war is over? RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE! errm mechanics! Rage against the mechanics? YES! WHY CANT YOU FOOLS SEE?! EVERYTHING SO OBVIOUS!!1! ERMAGAD!!1! CSM Ten movement for change. CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids. Status: Rabid carebear Blog
Cannibal Kane Blood Raiders Elite 4654	Posted - 2015.01.20 03:57:34 - [35] - Quote Lord Parallax wrote: Ok. So if it requires a session change. How is it that he did not show up as a valid war target for almost half an hour after he changed corps and made the kill? I did not see him on my local list as 1 until he left system and came back. It is your client. Same thing happens when a war ends. You targets still appear as targets even though you cannot shoot at them. The minute log off and log on cache resets and they will not appear as targets anymore. "Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk
ISD Ezwal ISD Community Communications Liaisons 3659	Posted - 2015.01.20 08:08:58 - [36] - Quote Shailagh wrote: Post with stuck capslock Please refrain from posting in all-caps in the future. Disregarding this warning might have consequences. ISD Ezwal Vice Admiral Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department
KIller Wabbit The Scope Gallente Federation 856	Posted - 2015.01.20 14:46:46 - [37] - Quote Lord Parallax wrote: So I am sitting in space cloaked up scouting local, have a few reds in system but no war targets. Then my alliance chat starts flashing I take a look and it is one of our miners linking his retriever and his pod loss. I look at who the aggressor is and it is a member of the corp we are at war with, I look back and local and it still says the pilot is a member of their alt corp not a member of the War corp. I look at his bio and it updates to say that the pilot had switched corps not more than a few minutes ago.. but he hasn't registered as a war target at all. Is this legal? It's a ****** mechanic that is allowed so long as they are docked when they join the corp. Otherwise it's an exploit. CCP .. always first with the wrong stuff CSM .. CCP Shills with a vacation plan
Sarah Flynt Federation Interstellar Resources Silent Infinity 74	Posted - 2015.01.20 15:36:19 - [38] - Quote Shailagh wrote: LOCAL WAS BUGGED N THEY WERENT RED I SWEAR! No matter how much you try to ridicule it, that is exactly what (can) happen and I'm sure certain people exploit it because of this very reason. I've witnessed it myself some time ago and couldn't believe it at first. Fortunately the wardeccers were pretty fail (probably why they had to resort to such "tactics") and the target was heavily tanked which gave me enough time to get a PVP ship, kill the tackle and warp out the target. I'm a little surprised that it still hasn't been fixed yet. Sick of High-Sec gankers? Join the public channel Anti-ganking and the dedicated intel channel Gank-Intel !
Mr Epeen It's All About Me 7628	Posted - 2015.01.20 16:01:37 - [39] - Quote Quote: Is corp hoping to surprise a war target allowed? Sure is. Why, just yesterday I was hoping to surprise a war target. But he saw me hiding behind the asteroid. Maybe next time. Mr Epeen There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
ISD Ezwal ISD Community Communications Liaisons 3668	Posted - 2015.01.20 19:44:51 - [40] - Quote I have removed a rule breaking post. The Rules: 5. Trolling is prohibited. Trolling is a defined as a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting other players in an attempt to incite retaliation or an emotional response. Posts of this nature are disruptive, often abusive and do not contribute to the sense of community that CCP promote. ISD Ezwal Vice Admiral Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department
Altirius Saldiaro Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 282	Posted - 2015.01.20 21:39:54 - [41] - Quote The entire war dec system needs to be completely overhauled.
Dangeresque Too Pistols for Pandas 85	Posted - 2015.01.20 21:43:17 - [42] - Quote This is a grey area, and is definitely not the most honorable for of pvp. But in this case it seems they are using it in conjunction with the recent very prominent issues with local not working correctly, to the point where some people aren't even seeing pilots they have flagged and are in station with. Not sure why the local issues have gotten worse lately but def not cool for people to be taking advantage of. You really can't fault the 'carebears' mining during a war as long as they had scouts and were watching local. I lost a mining fleet to this years ago when guys were jumping between war corps 3-4 times a day (they would jump in, make the kill, and jump out of corp soon as they hit station again.
Sugar Smacks State War Academy Caldari State 30	Posted - 2015.01.20 23:17:18 - [43] - Quote This whole post reads of lazy game mechanics that should of been fixed a long time ago. Grey area? It reads of lazy programming. Much like the whole war dec and war dec dodging system. If you have to make a excuse for the game you have a problem.
Mag's the united 18773	Posted - 2015.01.20 23:25:20 - [44] - Quote This is simply a case of 'What's good for the goose, is good for the gander.' War decs do need work though. Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Sugar Smacks State War Academy Caldari State 30	Posted - 2015.01.20 23:32:39 - [45] - Quote No any "mechanic" that is perfectly legal to perform in game but you need a GM to follow up on in broken. This goes way beyond griefing newbies this is just broken game mechanics for everyone. Accepting broken as the norm is pretty dumb, but hey lets have GM's responding to pointless calls im sure we can afford it right?
Mag's the united 18777	Posted - 2015.01.20 23:39:44 - [46] - Quote Sugar Smacks wrote: No any "mechanic" that is perfectly legal to perform in game but you need a GM to follow up on in broken. This goes way beyond griefing newbies this is just broken game mechanics for everyone. Accepting broken as the norm is pretty dumb, but hey lets have GM's responding to pointless calls im sure we can afford it right? I agree war decs are broken. But I do like the idea that some are using the avoidance technique, to actually kill players instead. If it's good for the goose...... Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Pok Nibin Filial Pariahs 461	Posted - 2015.01.22 01:48:12 - [47] - Quote Adding a P may have worked wonders for this thread. PROOFREADING starts with one of those. Dont fight it; Rejoin your Amarrian patriarchs; You know you want to.
Shailagh Ministry of War Amarr Empire 29	Posted - 2015.01.22 04:05:28 - [48] - Quote Agree the wardec dodging corp folding- insta reopening for a couple mill is broken and should be deemed and explotation of gane m3chanics. To close a corp at war you should have to pay the surrender fee, defaulted to 50mill or whatever cost of war ended up being.
Shailagh Ministry of War Amarr Empire 29	Posted - 2015.01.22 04:08:21 - [49] - Quote Sugar Smacks wrote: This whole post reads of lazy game mechanics that should of been fixed a long time ago. Grey area? It reads of lazy programming. Much like the whole war dec and war dec dodging system. If you have to make a excuse for the game you have a problem. Im wars will be the next to go in their save the newbros we need million subs mentality thats coming back to them again. I am a comptur programmer and this it doesnt take YEARS to fix these things.
Asuka Solo Stark Fujikawa Stark Enterprises 2751	Posted - 2015.01.22 05:25:19 - [50] - Quote Lord Parallax wrote: So I am sitting in space cloaked up scouting local, have a few reds in system but no war targets. Then my alliance chat starts flashing I take a look and it is one of our miners linking his retriever and his pod loss. I look at who the aggressor is and it is a member of the corp we are at war with, I look back and local and it still says the pilot is a member of their alt corp not a member of the War corp. I look at his bio and it updates to say that the pilot had switched corps not more than a few minutes ago.. but he hasn't registered as a war target at all. Is this legal? Having been reported myself and having reported others previously, I'll say this: You are only allowed to hop into a war corp and kill a target if you jump through a star gate (so your local updates with your new standings) and at least 5 minutes pass before you agress your target. If your dreaming of sitting next to a wt and then hopping into a war corp moments before you agro him.... lets just say your gonna have a bad time with the petitions that follow suit. Eve is about Capital ships, WiS, Boobs, PI and Isk!
Kaelynne Rose WTB Somalians 0	Posted - 2015.01.22 05:29:25 - [51] - Quote Asuka Solo wrote: and at least 5 minutes pass before you agress your target. wut bout 4:59? no go? this seems made up cuz it is. citation needed.
Asuka Solo Stark Fujikawa Stark Enterprises 2751	Posted - 2015.01.22 05:40:40 - [52] - Quote Kaelynne Rose wrote: Asuka Solo wrote: and at least 5 minutes pass before you agress your target. wut bout 4:59? no go? this seems made up cuz it is. citation needed. Regarding not being allowed to do so in the same system while in space: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=1555743&page=1#6 https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Exploit_notifications Since I'm not allowed to post GM correspondence on the forums (Eve forum rules, go cite it yourself), I"ll merely relay that the GM's I've had this chat with over the last few year(s) indicated that I needed to "make a few jumps or wait at least 5 minutes" before I do anything. If you're that desperate to get a citation though, hop into a corp, gank, petition yourself and see what happens. Eve is about Capital ships, WiS, Boobs, PI and Isk!
Shailagh Ministry of War Amarr Empire 30	Posted - 2015.01.22 05:58:09 - [53] - Quote Asuka Solo wrote: Kaelynne Rose wrote: Asuka Solo wrote: and at least 5 minutes pass before you agress your target. wut bout 4:59? no go? this seems made up cuz it is. citation needed. Regarding not being allowed to do so in the same system while in space: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=1555743&page=1#6 https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Exploit_notifications Since I'm not allowed to post GM correspondence on the forums (Eve forum rules, go cite it yourself), I"ll merely relay that the GM's I've had this chat with over the last few year(s) indicated that I needed to "make a few jumps or wait at least 5 minutes" before I do anything. If you're that desperate to get a citation though, hop into a corp, gank, petition yourself and see what happens. "Note that this only applies when changing corporations while on grid with the war target, this exploit cannot be performed if pilots switch corps while docked." Soo not on grid and session change like i first stated forever ago. *also fun awox funfact. I have had apps invited, went to belt, locked soon-to-be-corpmate in a barge, accepted app to corp and shot within .6 seconda of being in his corp... all legally and still is legal today.

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