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Manfred Sideous Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.09.22 06:58:00 - [1] Was wanting to get the feel of Corporations and alliance members to see if their would be interest in some new forums for eve discussion. The Idea would be is there would be light moderation and cencorship. As with ISD rules it would appear they dont want us saying what is on our mind. Perhaps a new forum to talk on and then ISD can sit and lock each others threads. PS: This is a Discussion to take place at the corporate and alliance member level and completely in the bounds of this forum. Thanks Bonus Advice: Power is a illusion
Nebba Kenezzer Minmatar Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.09.22 07:05:00 - [2] Abdalion told me once that this was against the law. Nebba - The Vocal Majority
Le Cardinal ECP Rogues Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.09.22 07:14:00 - [3] I do not know its a breach of the law or not, but i dont really see the point of having a new forum for it. There is very little you cant say in these forums. Only result would be endless smack and ppl throwing profanities at eachothers. And it would only derive itself to the levels of this forum. Imagine the amount of smack and crap that would been on these forums if they didnt sensor some of it. Personally i have no problems with them sensoring this forum. If i wanna discuss problems or needs in this game i can do it on our private forums and ingame. my 5 isk ECP.R killboard
Drilla Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.09.22 07:26:00 - [4] Edited by: Drilla on 22/09/2006 07:26:22 Originally by: Le Cardinal Only result would be endless smack and ppl throwing profanities at eachothers... I fail to see the problem ... Seek not to bar my way, for I shall win through - no matter the cost!
Luthien Firefoot Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.09.22 08:05:00 - [5] Originally by: Drilla Edited by: Drilla on 22/09/2006 07:26:22 Originally by: Le Cardinal Only result would be endless smack and ppl throwing profanities at eachothers... I fail to see the problem ... Not everyone has the personality to deal with such abuse. Also there are young people who probably shouldn't be exposed to some of the filth that would ensue. Personally I would love it, if I had more time. If you try to envisage some of the problems that may occurr, thinking of other people and not just yourself, you may have more success in puzzling this out... Signature removed - Too wide.Laurelin
Max Teranous Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.09.22 08:19:00 - [6] Originally by: Drilla I fail to see the problem ... In that case.... Drilla sucks ! Blah blah blah Rabble Max --------------------
Kcel Chim Caldari Arcane Technologies The Five	Posted - 2006.09.22 08:29:00 - [7] your new "no rules" forum would just create interest amongst the worst kind of posters this community has. You would have no serious discussion but instead a group who thinks its cool to insult, smack and abuse each other to determine who is the coolest. Ontop it would be riddled with altposts and baseless cheating, exploiting etc accusations no "real" poster could falsify. The eve forums are censored for a reason, namely learning over time. That we currently lack alot of drama and many newsworthy posts has many reasons, the stagnant game, the previous abuse of smaller groups who dont dare to post anymore and the lack of ingame drama due to lag. Just to name a few. None of those would be solved with a new forum. In short your idea is neither new, nor unique nor well thought through and deffinately will not be the ubersolution to the problems eve "dramasection" currently has. My few cents.
wierchas noobhunter Caldari The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.09.22 08:32:00 - [8] Originally by: Nebba Kenezzer Abdalion told me once that this was against the law. can i have what u smoke plz ? owned !
Gralgathor Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.09.22 08:35:00 - [9] Originally by: Kcel Chim The eve forums are censored for a reason, namely learning over time. True, but you'd have to agree that the forum moderation often goes overboard with thread-locking. Why lock 'Top 5' threads? They're not harmful and can be somewhat ebtertaining even. Why lock posts that address the excesses of forum moderation? If we can't have an open discussion about that, it really reeks of excessive censorship. Though instead of a new forum I'd say that we, as the paying EVE community, need to make a concerted effort to make our issues with forum moderation clear to those people at CCP that have a say in these matters. From a forum that went out of control with smack we've now swung the other way with a forum that's out of control with censorship. We need to find a balance there, and we can only do that if we come to an open agreement with the moderators.

Imaran Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2006.09.22 08:48:00 - [10] Originally by: Drilla Edited by: Drilla on 22/09/2006 07:26:22 Originally by: Le Cardinal Only result would be endless smack and ppl throwing profanities at eachothers... I fail to see the problem ... It would end up causing a lot more work for CRC and ISD as a whole, as the forums need to stay teen rated. I'll leave this topic open for now, as it seems to be flame free for now and is bringing some good points to the surface. However I'll warn in advance, if people start discussing moderation, actions against players and/or GM actions, posteriors will be handed to them on a golden platter. Thanks :) Sexeh CRC Website [email protected] Public Service Announcement : Contrary to popular belief, Fishcakes can not talk. Offical Keeper of the key to Suvetar's Chastity Belt CEO And Founder of the 'Kaemonn is a Nublet' Society

Isodoros	Posted - 2006.09.22 09:51:00 - [11] Ah. Do as you like. Censor it to hell. But don't be supriced when other ppl want someplace else to express themself. The profanity filter is getting out of hang tbh. And the degrading of this section of the forum is evidently a result of that. Also, locking alts means you can't get any type of information across whitout exposing your own posission. Result: Lack of content and information. And a degraded alliance forum. You got to realise. Alsmost anything you post on here in terms of information have an impact inside the game. Perseption is everything in eve. It have a very large impact on contracts, persived victory, market, moral, prices, combat. You name anything that have whit human interaction, perseption have a hand in it. Thats what this section is for. Being in control of the type of information going across here is an art. And have everything to do whit Perseption. When you limit it's function to provide perseption, you in essence limit it's function. Try to remember that when you lock your treads. When you censor comments. And when you ban ppl. Justifie it whit teen rating all you want. But you want me to take you serius when you have such a double standard on that? CCP let ppl get away whit robbing ppl bling and backstabbing and what not thats obviusly not teenrated by anyones standard. And yet they turn the coin when it comes to the forum. Obsession whit selfpreservation against lawsuits ftl. See this tread as an indication that ppl are extremly frustrated whit the situation.
Fi T'Zeh Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.09.22 10:12:00 - [12] If people are that fussed about censorship on this forum and want to post abuse, bigotry, homophobia, alty crap and flames, there are numerous other EVE community sites you could approach for such things. Or you could even get some people to help you setup your own forum. And make your own rules. If you want to post on someone elses forum, you have to abide by their rules. It's like Expecting to go to a social club or a bar and expecting to be allowed to throw faeces at people without getting in trouble. .... POST WITH YOUR MAIN !!!!11111one Real men use blasters
Dekiri Useless Inc.	Posted - 2006.09.22 10:22:00 - [13] Edited by: Dekiri on 22/09/2006 10:23:22 I don't think the problem is censorship in general it is more the fact that ISD are definitly doing to much. Locking posts because they could at some point become a flamefest is destroying the forums, because people are not being allowed to argue anymore or taunt each other. This does have NOTHING to do with profanity or teen rating. For example locking the "top5 most hated people in eve" thread.. WHY? How does this make the board less teen rated? It does not! If people hate you then you probably deserved it in one way or the other and have to deal with it, that's Eve! If people can't deal with that they should not play eve or play it without making others angry period. Being able to verbally bash people is what makes forums alive and interesting. You don't have to be able to curse to do it, but you need a way to express the hate that grows in game in some way. I know that we are missing out on a lot of creative flames regarding various alliances here on the forums and those usually contain or produce useful in game information if you can read between the lines. It also keeps the community busy and creates and destroys alliances. These forums currently lack healthy arguments and lack people taunting other alliances and all the good stuff that comes automatically when to many people are "living together". So please do me a favour and keep your rules in check and give the forum a bit more freedom so we actually get to read interesting threads again instead of only being able to read regular press releases. I really want "BoB sucks" threads back and all the other good stuff. -------------- My dad can beat up your dad! Support lowsec!
Jack Rattenbury Caldari Executioner's Dynasty	Posted - 2006.09.22 11:53:00 - [14] I think I would also like to add my voice to those that feel there is 'too much' moderation. I have not posted very often on these forums, so have never yet been subject to a post being moderated or censored for any reason, and I would hope that this will always be the case. However, I do find it slightly disconcerting that the forums are being kept 'teen rated', and consider this to be slightly unfair. In no way am I suggesting that there should be no moderation at all, as I do believe there should be some basic standard set, however my personal feeling is there is enough about the game play itself that warrants the game be pitched at 18+ in my opinion anyway. I say this because the game contains open and explicit references to drugs, sex and prostitution, slavery, and a lot of the game play involves 'killing' others. Yes, I accept that these are all fairly 'soft' references, but it is now possible to smuggle and trade in drugs with the aim of avioding police detection, as an example. Surely there is a degree of hipocresy in this, in that if we are so concerned about the content of the forums as regards language and responses, etc, we should be concerned about the impact of the above concepts in game? Secondly, the primary mode of payment, in my unfounded and unsubstantiated, opinion would appear to be credit card somewhere along the line seems to involve a credit card for the majority of people, either directly via subscription ,or by purchasing game time cards on-line, or however. Actually paying cash strikes me as being a convoluted and time consuming process. This means that it strikes me as difficult for a young teen to be able to play Eve without their parents consnet/backing/support, and so I would suggest that the majority of players are in the 18+ catagory. So why not simply accept that the primary user group is 18+, rate the game and forums for that degree of maturiy, and provide appropriate warnings and disclosures to advise of this. Then leave it up to the parents of the teens to moderate what content their children are accessing (as they should be doing) without shackling the rest of the community to a standard required what I believe is a marked minority. That said, given that parents seem to quite freely purchase 18+ rated console and PC based games for their children, I believe this is likely to affect teen participation at all, but rather perhaps more acurately represent the level of maturity that ought to be required to parents, so allowing them to make a truely informed decision regarding their teens participation in the game. So, equal vigilance, but less moderation please. My (probably wrong) 2 cents, none the less.
Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.09.22 12:03:00 - [15] Edited by: Tyrrax Thorrk on 22/09/2006 12:04:45 It's pretty clear the world would end if we could say cr ack or g ay or any of the other words Pann originally made ***** and our current incarnation of ISD keeps that way, Speaking freely without moderators cr acking down on us so 13 yr olds in the US are saved from the evils of the internet is not something CCP is willing to permit on their forums, and that's their right. I'm guessing Manfred is suggesting forums that aren't regulated by ISD ? Otherwise there's obviously no point to it.. There already are very nice forums like that for the roleplayer community, so basically just start some forums for the corporations of EVE and see if people are willing to switch... I'm sure they'd see some heavy use if you did it well. http://eve.klaki.net/
Manfred Sideous Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.09.22 12:43:00 - [16] Teen Rating = Good reason for censorship? Hmm In Eve you can rob players corps and alliances and it is within the realm of the game. Hmm you can blow a ship up and then shoot the POD terminating life and the DEAD corpse is left floating in space. HMM are those fit examples for teens. Your argument is weak and groundless with the above taken into consideration. These forums were exciting to read before lots of discussion over various topics. CCP is providing a product to the consumer. The consumer in part have stated they are dissatisfied with a portion of said product. Pleasing the customer and delivering what they want is what makes CCP money correct? How about we take a poll and see if people like the forums now or before. After all CCP only exist because US the consumer. We all know the first rule of customer service is. THE CUSTOMER IS ALWAYS RIGHT.
Dekiri Useless Inc.	Posted - 2006.09.22 12:53:00 - [17] Edited by: Dekiri on 22/09/2006 12:57:09 Quote: THE CUSTOMER IS ALWAYS RIGHT. This is by far the most stupid statement ever being made about customers. First of all it is not true because the customer is in most cases an idiot like about 80% of the world population. And on top of that he rarely has the required insight into the various details and usually has not thought about the topic as much as a proffesional would. It is also completly outdated and is not even taught anymore. If you read up to date literature on customer management the view of the customer has changed for the better in the last 10 years. The customer is not the "king" anymore he is a "guest" and has to be treated politely, but also has to watch certain limitations set by the company. The company will set limitations and the customer will have a certain ammount of freedom within those limits, but thats about it. These "new" limitations are needed for various reasons. First of all if the customer is "always right" you will might destroy the motivation of your employees or at least harm them, because in this scenario they will be tortured by the customer as it is the nature of the simple man (give him power and he will abuse it) and secondly you will loose money, because the customer will try and abuse his power as much as he can to gain advantage over you. -------------- My dad can beat up your dad! Support lowsec!
Manfred Sideous Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.09.22 13:03:00 - [18] Originally by: Dekiri Quote: THE CUSTOMER IS ALWAYS RIGHT. This is by far the most stupid statement ever being made about customers. First of all it is not true because the customer is in most cases an idiot like about 80% of the world population. And on top of that he rarely has the required insight into the various details and usually has not thought about the topic as much as a proffesional would. It is also completly outdated and is not even taught anymore. If you read up to date literature on customer management the view of the customer has changed for the better in the last 10 years. The customer is not the "king" anymore he is a "guest" and has to be treated politely, but also has to watch certain limitations set by the company. The company will set limitations and the customer will have a certain ammount of freedom within those limits, but thats about it. Well I own my own business IRL. I can tell you customer satisfaction is always my first concern. Now albeit my business differs from CCP but fundamentals are always the same. I can see your point about a customer could possibly request somthing that is ridiculous . But Im not and the general public is not sitting here asking CCP to modify its coding program or anything of that nature. All that is being stated is before the HEAVY MODERATION these forums were used alot more. Their was alot more interesting reading albeit sometimes childish. But the bottom line is it was entertaining. Also the reason given for heavy moderation do not parallell the atmosphere in Eve. So I say the current moderation and its reasoning is *****. These forums helped fuel conflict between players. Afterall this game is centered around PVP. Without us PVP'rs carebears and marketeers would have no reason to play the game. So I guess pick apart my argument but the fundamentals of it are sound.
Lord Sidon Amarr Classified Pure.	Posted - 2006.09.22 13:07:00 - [19] Edited by: Lord Sidon on 22/09/2006 13:07:29 Quote: These forums were exciting to read before lots of discussion over various topics. CCP is providing a product to the consumer. The consumer in part have stated they are dissatisfied with a portion of said product. Pleasing the customer and delivering what they want is what makes CCP money correct? and they will be again, as soon as people learn to post whit thier main and not with a alt. reason it's all gone quiet here is due to people not having the b@lls to post without alts ----------------------------------------------- . . NBSI = Not Blue Shoot It Blue = everyone we were shooting last time you logged on Not Blue = everyone else
Dekiri Useless Inc.	Posted - 2006.09.22 13:13:00 - [20] Originally by: Manfred Sideous Originally by: Dekiri Quote: THE CUSTOMER IS ALWAYS RIGHT. This is by far the most stupid statement ever being made about customers. First of all it is not true because the customer is in most cases an idiot like about 80% of the world population. And on top of that he rarely has the required insight into the various details and usually has not thought about the topic as much as a proffesional would. It is also completly outdated and is not even taught anymore. If you read up to date literature on customer management the view of the customer has changed for the better in the last 10 years. The customer is not the "king" anymore he is a "guest" and has to be treated politely, but also has to watch certain limitations set by the company. The company will set limitations and the customer will have a certain ammount of freedom within those limits, but thats about it. Well I own my own business IRL. I can tell you customer satisfaction is always my first concern. Now albeit my business differs from CCP but fundamentals are always the same. I can see your point about a customer could possibly request somthing that is ridiculous . But Im not and the general public is not sitting here asking CCP to modify its coding program or anything of that nature. All that is being stated is before the HEAVY MODERATION these forums were used alot more. Their was alot more interesting reading albeit sometimes childish. But the bottom line is it was entertaining. Also the reason given for heavy moderation do not parallell the atmosphere in Eve. So I say the current moderation and its reasoning is *****. These forums helped fuel conflict between players. Afterall this game is centered around PVP. Without us PVP'rs carebears and marketeers would have no reason to play the game. So I guess pick apart my argument but the fundamentals of it are sound. They are not and i also run a business myself and train others in that department. I know that most people with their own business don't have the time or energy to spend their thoughts on the details. While i agree that customer satisfaction is highly important, there are limitations and these limitations are CCP's matter and not ours. As i showed in my first post in this thread i have a similar opinion on the forums, but thats it... an opinion. Coming up with that statement in caps is certainly out of line and unproductive. I pretty much agree with you on customer satisfaction but in the details i don't. This is one of the fields where i have the hardest work when training people to run their business better. And to be honest CCP does a fine job on their customer management compared to most companies. The only thing you will achieve with repeating statements like "the customer is always right" is that some idiots will actually believe that and take this as a given. -------------- My dad can beat up your dad! Support lowsec!
Wild Rho Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2006.09.22 13:17:00 - [21] Tbh it sounds more or less like some folks are having a hard time getting used the fact they can't just post some flames/trolling/alt posts anymore and may actually have to post somthing actually relevent. WE ARE DYSLEXIC OF BORG. Refutance is systile. Your ass will be laminated. - Jennie Marlboro
Manfred Sideous Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.09.22 13:29:00 - [22] Edited by: Manfred Sideous on 22/09/2006 13:35:14 The CAPITAL letters were not meant to sound like I was screaming. It was meant to creat emphasis to that point. A common tactic in literature. I dont post BS If I have somthing to say my Main post it. So I am not wanting to hide behind a alt name. Alot of the time alt post created flames or baited for them but sometimes credible information was presented only the poster chose to keep some annonymity. You know kinda like when you write to a editorial and withold your name? I dont condone griefing anyone IRL. But adding to or fueling a conflict can garner interesting results. Not to mention that some entities use the forums and alts to create counter intelligence or to psychologically attack their opponents. Because as a previous poster said that what is said in these forums translates into perception about in game politics and events. I myself dont smacktalk I happen to look down on it. But I would be lieing if I denied It brings a smile to my face when my opponent gets emotional after losing to me. I guess I just have that live and let live view. O and yeah different strokes for different folks. Just because I do not like it doesnt give me the right to deny others from it. Cencorship is bad M'kay Edit* Fixed a few errors ( probably missed 20 more )
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2006.09.22 13:38:00 - [23] Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 22/09/2006 13:40:21 The reason why this forum is effectively dead doesnÆt have anything much to do with profanity filters and over-moderation of people swearing at each other. Multiple ôI hate BOBö posts and ôtop 5 loathed organisationsö topics do not make an entertaining corporations and alliance discussion forum and nor does endless smack talk threads of alliance head-bangers accusing each other of running stabs and logging on gank fleets. Alts do not = worthwhile discussions. The leaders of corporations and alliances need to take some reponsibility themselves for what has happened. Because the ultimate reason this forum is now dullsville central is that all corporations and alliances are now more or less the same. All approach to 0.0 settlement is more or less the same. Everyone is killboard-centric NBSI territorial-claiming xenophobe with added POS spam and there are no significant ideological differences between the entities out there. Nobody who runs an NBSI system for their alliance or corporation has the high moral ground over anybody else who runs the NBSI system so that cuts a huge area of ideological discussion out of the forums. Nobody who runs a territorial organisation that denies access to neutrals has any significant differentiation of politics over any other organisation that does this. Nobody who shoots neutrals has credible ethical superiority over anybody else who shoots neutrals. Everyone is a pirate. Nobody is building states or raising their ambitions above the level of the gutter. To put it simply: Eve used to have corporations and organisations representing different colours of the political spectrum, different approaches, good guys and bad guys, intrigue and political activism happening right here on this forum. Right now all that is gone. Everyone is the same. BoB is the same as D2, is the same as ASCN, is the same as LV is the same as whatever else organisation runs territorial NBSI gate-camping POS-spamming space control. All that differs is killboard success ratio and since that is not an allowable topic for discussion here its irrelevant. So this forum represents the greying out of EveÆs politics. Lack of extremes and ideological opposites equals tedium. The only alliance announcements I ever read with any degree of interest come from ISS because they are the only alliance that currently represent a significant difference from the baseline consensus. Everything else is ôBlah, NBSI, Blah Blah Claim X, Blah Blah crush you, Blahö and is nothing more than a background hum. Why should anyone care if one space-claiming NBSI organisation is declaring war on another space-claiming NBSI organisation? Will it change anything for the average uninvolved player? Nope. ItÆs only relevant if the result will open new opportunities for trade or involvement or whatever. If nothing is going to change then itÆs not worth paying attention too. To make this forum interesting again you need corporations and alliances that are interesting. DonÆt get it yet? Read back to page number 1-20 of this forum and see that back then we had corporations and alliances with individual approach and character that were approaching the game in different ways. Nowadays itÆs all the same. And thatÆs what bores the pants off people. And yep, like Tyrrax says there are other forums elsewhere in the community where you can insult each other and talk about whatever you want. Try pretending to be a roleplayer and using the http://www.eve-chatsubo.com/ forum if you really want to go to town. _________________
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.09.22 13:40:00 - [24] Originally by: Lord Sidon and they will be again, as soon as people learn to post whit thier main and not with a alt. reason it's all gone quiet here is due to people not having the b@lls to post without alts QFT I for one am not interested in the opinions of the faceless, the ball-less or the boring. Its the second time you are whining about the lack of drama on these forums, manfred. Why dont you create some drama for us to read instead of expecting CCP to provide it via some silly 'drama' forum section where alts, noobs and tossers are rife..
Manfred Sideous Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.09.22 13:52:00 - [25] Edited by: Manfred Sideous on 22/09/2006 13:55:21 Hi Nez I wondered if this thread would make it to the second page before I saw a reply from you. You seem to recall post of mine on Que. Perhaps the corporation I belong to might have somthing to do with that. Ive never spoke a ill word against you Nez. Im sorry that you and my corperations leaders dont get along but please do not punish me for that with your ever so clever yet suttle insults. Me create Drama? Only in goal of making you visit the clone vat everytime we cross paths if the insults continue. But then I guess ultimately you would be fueling that drama. The ball is in your court good sir. Thank you and good day.
xenorx 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.09.22 13:55:00 - [26] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 22/09/2006 13:40:21 The reason why this forum is effectively dead doesnÆt have anything much to do with profanity filters and over-moderation of people swearing at each other. Multiple ôI hate BOBö posts and ôtop 5 loathed organisationsö topics do not make an entertaining corporations and alliance discussion forum and nor does endless smack talk threads of alliance head-bangers accusing each other of running stabs and logging on gank fleets. Alts do not = worthwhile discussions. The leaders of corporations and alliances need to take some reponsibility themselves for what has happened. Because the ultimate reason this forum is now dullsville central is that all corporations and alliances are now more or less the same. All approach to 0.0 settlement is more or less the same. Everyone is killboard-centric NBSI territorial-claiming xenophobe with added POS spam and there are no significant ideological differences between the entities out there. Nobody who runs an NBSI system for their alliance or corporation has the high moral ground over anybody else who runs the NBSI system so that cuts a huge area of ideological discussion out of the forums. Nobody who runs a territorial organisation that denies access to neutrals has any significant differentiation of politics over any other organisation that does this. Nobody who shoots neutrals has credible ethical superiority over anybody else who shoots neutrals. Everyone is a pirate. Nobody is building states or raising their ambitions above the level of the gutter. To put it simply: Eve used to have corporations and organisations representing different colours of the political spectrum, different approaches, good guys and bad guys, intrigue and political activism happening right here on this forum. Right now all that is gone. Everyone is the same. BoB is the same as D2, is the same as ASCN, is the same as LV is the same as whatever else organisation runs territorial NBSI gate-camping POS-spamming space control. All that differs is killboard success ratio and since that is not an allowable topic for discussion here its irrelevant. So this forum represents the greying out of EveÆs politics. Lack of extremes and ideological opposites equals tedium. The only alliance announcements I ever read with any degree of interest come from ISS because they are the only alliance that currently represent a significant difference from the baseline consensus. Everything else is ôBlah, NBSI, Blah Blah Claim X, Blah Blah crush you, Blahö and is nothing more than a background hum. Why should anyone care if one space-claiming NBSI organisation is declaring war on another space-claiming NBSI organisation? Will it change anything for the average uninvolved player? Nope. ItÆs only relevant if the result will open new opportunities for trade or involvement or whatever. If nothing is going to change then itÆs not worth paying attention too. To make this forum interesting again you need corporations and alliances that are interesting. DonÆt get it yet? Read back to page number 1-20 of this forum and see that back then we had corporations and alliances with individual approach and character that were approaching the game in different ways. Nowadays itÆs all the same. And thatÆs what bores the pants off people. And yep, like Tyrrax says there are other forums elsewhere in the community where you can insult each other and talk about whatever you want. Try pretending to be a roleplayer and using the http://www.eve-chatsubo.com/ forum if you really want to go to town. Well that pretty much sums it up nicely. No one can hear you scream in space, so just shut up and die already.
Dekiri Useless Inc.	Posted - 2006.09.22 14:06:00 - [27] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine stuff. Hell i really hate your attitude on the forums sometimes but i really love those posts =P PS: I am hotter then you btw -------------- My dad can beat up your dad! Support lowsec!
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2006.09.22 14:11:00 - [28] Originally by: Dekiri Originally by: Jasmine Constantine stuff. Hell i really hate your attitude on the forums sometimes but i really love those posts =P PS: I am hotter then you btw Heh, not sure what to make of that. IC attitude is obviously all about wanting to break the imperialist trap so many people have fallen into. OOC attitude, I try to be honest and constructive and tell it how I see it. Its possible to be ideologically contentious without insulting people, just a matter of keeping one's temper. But glad you enjoy the posts anyhow. And no-one is hotter than -Jas. _________________
Svetlanna The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.09.22 14:13:00 - [29] In short, the problem is not the Forum form and its mechanic. The issue is more the lack of interesting content. To this the answer is obvious: It is up to us to make it attractive. On another note, rules of conducts are a must in any type of organization. Many times they have been transgressed on forums and eventually could degenerate into legal procedures with direct consequences for CCP... Let's just ask the CCP Professional Clickers to be a bit more analytic and handle their job with a nicer touch than just a "I do not like this thread personaly and therefore, I lock it"... which is what Manfred is aiming at if I am not mistaking. Good day to all and back to killing in the game!
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.09.22 14:19:00 - [30] Edited by: Nez Perces on 22/09/2006 14:20:57 Originally by: xenorx Well that pretty much sums it up nicely. only it doesn't ... Jasmine is a very eleoquent and intelligent poster, however, she has an agenda and no matter what she posts the agenda is always in there somewhere. If NBSI for territorial alliances is such a boring concept and such a game killer, how come it has been adopted by pretty much any entity that wishes to be successful? I'll tell you why... No matter how boring you think NBSI is due to some ideological crusade against territorial claiming entities, it pales into comparison with the boredom accompanying the effective policing of non-NBSI territorial claims. For the entity claiming territory, neutrals become a massive headache and security concern.. the natural consequence is to make things simpler via NBSI. There is no ideology behind NBSI, its simply a matter of expediency and practicality. In a game where time is limited i.e a lot of people have a RL to tend to also, trying to play Concord in 0.0 gets old pretty fast; massive standings lists, neutrals whining about getting shot by mistake, a magnet for pirates looking to get easy kills. Non-NBSI territory = pirate haven. Show me an alliance in 0.0 and I'll show you an entity that is striving to become more efficient (if it isn't its days are numbered). Access for neutrals flies in the face of making the territorial alliance's life simpler and more streamline. The reason why these forums are quiet is due to Kali approaching and the fact that there is no big power struggle in EVE to talk about. The EVE vets are jaded.... thats why the forums are quiet. Will Kali breathe life back into the game? perhaps, perhaps not.. either way I'm glad these forums are policed with an iron fist. It sorts the men from the boys.

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