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Miyoko Sanae Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2006.09.23 02:04:00 - [1] I don't mean actual alts on a players account, i mean the ones generated constantly on the 14 day trial accounts. Theres already a wide array of limitations for trial accounts, why not limit the number of low sec systems they have access to and cut off the rest. I have nothing against people logging onto their alt to scout, but when they can create and run a 2nd or 3rd account in the background to increase the amount of space they cover while looking for targets it seems a little 1 sided. To me this just falls on the same wagon as local chat and using it to see whos in system, an unintended effect.
Brutor Shaun Minmatar Freelancers UK Alliance	Posted - 2006.09.23 02:21:00 - [2] If CCP really want to make this a 'team game', ban trial accounts from > 0.5 completely. You want a scout? Get a corp mate to scout for you.
Resolve	Posted - 2006.09.23 02:24:00 - [3] Originally by: Brutor Shaun If CCP really want to make this a 'team game', ban trial accounts from > 0.5 completely. You want a scout? Get a corp mate to scout for you. So when a real newb/prospective customer undocks and tries the tutorial, they get podded and discouraged in the first 10 mins after undocking? It's a good way to prevent new subscribers for sure.
Brutor Shaun Minmatar Freelancers UK Alliance	Posted - 2006.09.23 02:26:00 - [4] Edited by: Brutor Shaun on 23/09/2006 02:26:40 Originally by: Resolve Originally by: Brutor Shaun If CCP really want to make this a 'team game', ban trial accounts from > 0.5 completely. You want a scout? Get a corp mate to scout for you. So when a real newb/prospective customer undocks and tries the tutorial, they get podded and discouraged in the first 10 mins after undocking? It's a good way to prevent new subscribers for sure. Lost me...... When does a n00b get sent into lowsec?
Fuujin Hadean Drive Yards	Posted - 2006.09.23 02:28:00 - [5] Originally by: Resolve Originally by: Brutor Shaun If CCP really want to make this a 'team game', ban trial accounts from > 0.5 completely. You want a scout? Get a corp mate to scout for you. So when a real newb/prospective customer undocks and tries the tutorial, they get podded and discouraged in the first 10 mins after undocking? It's a good way to prevent new subscribers for sure. I imagine he meant < 0.5 completely. I think low sec space is a huge part of the game so cutting a person off from it entirely wouldn't be the way to go, still having access to a small selection of systems would be nice, not that a trial account can do much there but still. _______________ The sword has to be more than a simple weapon; it has to be an answer to life's questions
Micia Minmatar N.A.S.A. Cobra Alliance	Posted - 2006.09.23 02:30:00 - [6] Originally by: Brutor Shaun Lost me...... When does a n00b get sent into lowsec? When their L1 agents tell them to. Or whenever they feel like exploring. Or maybe they came to EVE 'cos they heard it was all about the PVP. Little chance to test that option out, if banned from lo-sec. _______ Originally by: Devian 666 I use my mining disruptor, mining nos, mining hvy launchers and mining valks/acolytes on them.
Alekseyev Karrde The Royal Guard	Posted - 2006.09.23 02:31:00 - [7] Just make it so that either one account can be logged in at a time or, if you want to get really serious, one IP logged in at a time.
Brutor Shaun Minmatar Freelancers UK Alliance	Posted - 2006.09.23 02:33:00 - [8] I'm not a mathematician, I'm a construction diver! Can someone explain the pointy symbols? What I'm saying is that trial accounts shouldn't be allowed into lowsec. ****, they aren't allowed various ships, so why not limit their flight plan too?
Fuujin Hadean Drive Yards	Posted - 2006.09.23 02:35:00 - [9] Originally by: Alekseyev Karrde Just make it so that either one account can be logged in at a time or, if you want to get really serious, one IP logged in at a time. This wouldn't work since there are many people that own several accounts. That's fine, it's the disposable trial account alts that are tiresome. _______________ The sword has to be more than a simple weapon; it has to be an answer to life's questions
Viktor Fyretracker Caldari Worms Corp	Posted - 2006.09.23 02:36:00 - [10] Originally by: Alekseyev Karrde Just make it so that either one account can be logged in at a time or, if you want to get really serious, one IP logged in at a time. how will you enforce this? or what will happen when i have a friend at my place or im at his? guess what broadband you use a router and have one IP. if you limit to one IP that means you could never have two machines from the same place would make lots of people angry who dont even think of dual boxing. one account at a time is also impossible to enforce as someones a parent and a kid play, so the accounts are under the parent's name.
Resolve	Posted - 2006.09.23 02:39:00 - [11] Edited by: Resolve on 23/09/2006 02:41:14 Originally by: Brutor Shaun I'm not a mathematician, I'm a construction diver! Can someone explain the pointy symbols? What I'm saying is that trial accounts shouldn't be allowed into lowsec. ****, they aren't allowed various ships, so why not limit their flight plan too? My bad for mis-reading your post. A < B = A is less than B A > B = A is greater than B (look for the larger part of the symbol, that symbolizes it is bigger, the narrower point is smaller) Although I don't necessairly agree with limiting trial players in many ways, limiting them from low-sec isn't too bad.
Miyoko Sanae Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2006.09.23 02:40:00 - [12] That's why having limited access to low sec space would be a better solution. Cut off a lot of systems but leave a few in each of the starting regions to play in.
Hllaxiu Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.09.23 04:14:00 - [13] Originally by: Alekseyev Karrde Just make it so that either one account can be logged in at a time or, if you want to get really serious, one IP logged in at a time. Way to screw over college students! --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson
franny Phoenix Knights	Posted - 2006.09.23 04:17:00 - [14] really, it would more likely just lead to them being sniped by someone looking for easy kills if they limited noobs to a select few lowsec/nosec systems besides, real men don't use scouts flys alt's viator inot a chokepoint system yelling Geranimo maybe a better idea, would be limit trial accts to having to be off the buddy prog, and you are only allowed X# buddys per X period(kinda like Gmail and it's buddy invites)
Maya Rkell Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.09.23 04:17:00 - [15] Originally by: Alekseyev Karrde Just make it so that either one account can be logged in at a time or, if you want to get really serious, one IP logged in at a time. CCP won't give up the multi-account revenue stream. Period. //Maya
Maya Rkell Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.09.23 04:19:00 - [16] Originally by: Brutor Shaun I'm not a mathematician, I'm a construction diver! Can someone explain the pointy symbols? What I'm saying is that trial accounts shouldn't be allowed into lowsec. ****, they aren't allowed various ships, so why not limit their flight plan too? Because it's the ONLY way for CCP to get new characters. The more restrictions, the less players CCP have. You're giving them an ENTIRELY false view of Eve, and cutting off a LOT of what they could see. I disagree with limiting the ships too. Shorten the trial to a week or 10 days, it'd be a better idea. //Maya
Nerf Caldari	Posted - 2006.09.23 04:28:00 - [17] No. No. No no no no no. When I was quitting EQ2, I was looking at 2 games -- Eve (which I had heard about while on vacation that summer) and WoW (which a few of my friends were starting at the time). Eve had (at that point) a completely unrestricted, free, two week trial. I started then and I've never looked back. When you go around limiting trial accounts, you come off looking cheap. "Oh, we don't want to waste our resources on you because you're not paying us". **** that. Personally, I was rather sad to see the trial account restrictions go on with RMR. It just gives off a horrible impression to newbies, and looks much too much like Runescape or some such to me. "You're not paying enough for your ship to go there" is just lame, IMHO, much like charging for expansions. Signature removed as the image is unsuitable. If you have any questions, please mail us on [email protected] and include a link to the image in question. -Ivan K
Aeaus Tharsis Security	Posted - 2006.09.23 04:35:00 - [18] "Due to your instructors training license, this gate will not allow you to use it's jump drive mechanism. Remember, zero point zero takes lives." Join Tharsis! - Get Sexy Sigs
Fuujin Hadean Drive Yards	Posted - 2006.09.23 07:31:00 - [19] Originally by: Nerf Caldari No. No. No no no no no. When I was quitting EQ2, I was looking at 2 games -- Eve (which I had heard about while on vacation that summer) and WoW (which a few of my friends were starting at the time). Eve had (at that point) a completely unrestricted, free, two week trial. I started then and I've never looked back. When you go around limiting trial accounts, you come off looking cheap. "Oh, we don't want to waste our resources on you because you're not paying us". **** that. Personally, I was rather sad to see the trial account restrictions go on with RMR. It just gives off a horrible impression to newbies, and looks much too much like Runescape or some such to me. "You're not paying enough for your ship to go there" is just lame, IMHO, much like charging for expansions. The EVE trial is definetly restircted, and should be more so. They can still portray the game as it is while limiting the damage done to the paying player base. I'm all for new players through trial accounts but a line needs to be drawn somewhere. _______________ The sword has to be more than a simple weapon; it has to be an answer to life's questions
Hertford Ars Caelestis Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.09.23 07:38:00 - [20] Originally by: Nerf Caldari When you go around limiting trial accounts, you come off looking cheap. "Oh, we don't want to waste our resources on you because you're not paying us". **** that. Personally, I was rather sad to see the trial account restrictions go on with RMR. It just gives off a horrible impression to newbies, and looks much too much like Runescape or some such to me. "You're not paying enough for your ship to go there" is just lame, IMHO, much like charging for expansions. Unfortunately, EVE has enough people willing to abuse trial accounts, so it's no surprise they're restricted. Now what I'd love to see is NPC Corp members not allowed to jump into 0.0 (though still allowing 0.0 -> 0.0 jumps, in the cases where people get corp kicked).
Agent Kenshin Caldari Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.09.23 08:23:00 - [21] Edited by: Agent Kenshin on 23/09/2006 08:23:42 Originally by: Alekseyev Karrde Just make it so that either one account can be logged in at a time or, if you want to get really serious, one IP logged in at a time. Try living together with someone who also plays EVE. Then tell me again this is a good idea. ----- Station Invunerablity POS Module
Mista Sexamalicious Sexa Inc	Posted - 2006.09.23 08:26:00 - [22] Originally by: Alekseyev Karrde Just make it so that either one account can be logged in at a time or, if you want to get really serious, one IP logged in at a time. What IPs can't be spoofed? Even if, What subnets can't be spoofed? Let's be rational here. Thank you. OK? ___________________ Cortes, sir, you are way too *SEXY* for this image - Mista Sexamalicious
Miss Overlord Gallente Garoun Investment Bank	Posted - 2006.09.23 08:32:00 - [23] good ideas but dont wanna nerf to much
Mista Sexamalicious Sexa Inc	Posted - 2006.09.23 08:40:00 - [24] Originally by: Mista Sexamalicious Originally by: Alekseyev Karrde Just make it so that either one account can be logged in at a time or, if you want to get really serious, one IP logged in at a time. What IPs can't be spoofed? Even if, What subnets can't be spoofed? Let's be rational here. Thank you. OK? I'm sorry. I forget to say: even routing through the same gateway. ___________________ Cortes, sir, you are way too *SEXY* for this image - Mista Sexamalicious
D'onryu Shoqui Gallente Vengeance of the Fallen Imperium Alliance	Posted - 2006.09.23 10:55:00 - [25] Originally by: Alekseyev Karrde Just make it so that either one account can be logged in at a time or, if you want to get really serious, one IP logged in at a time. no because then people with routers like me cant play at the same time as there wife unless they get 2 internet connections which would suck. also people with more than 1 account would see no reason to have a second account, i bet alot more than 25% of the subcriptions to eve are second accounts just make it so trial accounts cant go into regions that arent controlled by caldari , minmatar , gallente or amarr
Jenny Spitfire Caldari	Posted - 2006.09.23 11:00:00 - [26] Allow one EvE process to run on a machine at any time or remove local. --------- Cruelty is God's way of showing kindness and God is kind.
Akita T Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2006.09.23 11:27:00 - [27] Just disable access to NON-FACTION-CONTROLLED 0.0 on trial accounts. You still have syndicate, stain and all of that space, but no really cheap spy/scout alts in "unclaimed" (or alliance) space. Problem solved :p __ Always question everything. Including yourself.
Deja Thoris Revelations Inc.	Posted - 2006.09.23 11:49:00 - [28] Originally by: Akita T Just disable access to NON-FACTION-CONTROLLED 0.0 on trial accounts. You still have syndicate, stain and all of that space, but no really cheap spy/scout alts in "unclaimed" (or alliance) space. Problem solved :p I don't see how. Are you implying "faction controlling alliances" never use trial account alts to scout? Originally by: Clementina If you bug report it, you get ignored. If you post about it on the forums, you get banned. If you exploit it, you get rich.
Gonada Gallente Cross Roads	Posted - 2006.09.23 11:58:00 - [29] Edited by: Gonada on 23/09/2006 11:58:44 you guys are like, totally missing the point. whats the purpose of a trial? to entice a person into getting the game. ? theres a myriad of systems that a trial account user can explore thats 0.5 and up, theres no reason for him to even thik of lowsec ( 0.5-0.0) those of you might argue that its too restrictive, but when you have a FREE trail account with no respocability, any ass can make a char and have the potential to do huge damage. think about it, it seems the best thing todo, then again, i dont spy alt. -I don't necessarily agree with everything I say.-
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.09.23 14:29:00 - [30] I would say let them still have access to low-sec Empire (0.1 and up) but not 0.0. Afterall, you can't "own" low-sec Empire, as the Empire owns it- it's wonly when we're talking about people's own territory (0.0) that Spy Alts are a bit of a pest. I give it a big "Meh". Spy Alts / Scout Alts are irritating, and circumvent some game mechanics by letting you do solo what you should only be able to do in a team. But I don't think it's that important.

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