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Roxanna Kell Holy Jihad	Posted - 2006.09.23 16:33:00 - [1] i petetioned this noob who bought 2 account from ebay. he said it himself and kept on bragging about it in local. guese what. petetion closed and the guy is still online at this momment. he got 2 accounts and they re 100% from ebay as i know who preowned them. Quote: You have ONE advantage over me.....you can kiss my ass and I can't!!
kublai GoonWaffe GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.09.23 16:37:00 - [2] Did the thought occur to you, that he perhaps was lying/messing with your head? Real Gangsta
Lifewire Caldari TunDraGon	Posted - 2006.09.23 16:51:00 - [3] Actually 20% or even more of the accounts are probably ebayed. Its sad. But i think it does not make sense to forbid account selling (i talk of the full account, not ISK!) And why? A ebay-sold account is good for all others: - CCP has a new customer - old player gets cash for his 2-3 years of work - other players get a nice target to kill: a n00b in a BS with best equipment! What do we want more??? I would allow Ebay-selling of accounts, but hunt ISK sellers. Forum:http://www.tundragon.com/forum/ Movies:http://www.tundragon.com/pub/eveclips Killboard:http://www.tundragon.com/
Sphit Ker	Posted - 2006.09.23 17:15:00 - [4] CCP sure goes after ISK buyers. I know a guy who bough ISK for a Freighter. Lost both the freighter and the billion. mwhahahah -1,000,000,000 doh! Too bad for those who buy characters. They miss the best part that is to grow up in EVE. Its their lost.
Amdushus Palimadore Minmatar Black Scorpion LTD	Posted - 2006.09.23 18:05:00 - [5] Originally by: Sphit Ker Too bad for those who buy characters. They miss the best part that is to grow up in EVE. Its their lost. I don't agree with this 100%. Generally I'm against buying some uber account with, say, 31 million SP when you haven't even done the tutorial in-game in your life. However, I feel that the gameplay learning curve and the skill attainment grind curve aren't in equilibrium for all players. I have played Eve for long enough at this point that I know what I want to fly, but my character is at least 1.5 months from flying it. I have enough experience in game to do well with a better character, but the skills grind at this point is worthless to me because all I want to really do is stay docked and train skills. If I go out I risk losing my imps, but if I jump clone to a clone without imps I lose training time. This takes me farther from my ultimate goal and therefore isn't worth it. What I would rather do (and actually what I'm trying to do) is take some ISK and buy an alt who is about 6-7 million SP ahead -- that way, for me at least, the gameplay learning curve and skill attainment curve are more closely matched. I'm a bright player and a quick learner. There's no reason I should be bored and station-camped after just six weeks in game. For other players it's different, but at least for me it makes sense. That said - I always follow CCP rules and would never buy a character from ebay... hence the (so far fruitless) search on these forums for a replacement main. -- "Just because you're paranoid - don't mean they're not after you..." -- Kurt Cobain
OrangeAfroMan Suffoco Noctis Atrocitas	Posted - 2006.09.23 18:23:00 - [6] Originally by: Amdushus Palimadore Originally by: Sphit Ker Too bad for those who buy characters. They miss the best part that is to grow up in EVE. Its their lost. I don't agree with this 100%. Generally I'm against buying some uber account with, say, 31 million SP when you haven't even done the tutorial in-game in your life. However, I feel that the gameplay learning curve and the skill attainment grind curve aren't in equilibrium for all players. I have played Eve for long enough at this point that I know what I want to fly, but my character is at least 1.5 months from flying it. I have enough experience in game to do well with a better character, but the skills grind at this point is worthless to me because all I want to really do is stay docked and train skills. If I go out I risk losing my imps, but if I jump clone to a clone without imps I lose training time. This takes me farther from my ultimate goal and therefore isn't worth it. What I would rather do (and actually what I'm trying to do) is take some ISK and buy an alt who is about 6-7 million SP ahead -- that way, for me at least, the gameplay learning curve and skill attainment curve are more closely matched. I'm a bright player and a quick learner. There's no reason I should be bored and station-camped after just six weeks in game. For other players it's different, but at least for me it makes sense. That said - I always follow CCP rules and would never buy a character from ebay... hence the (so far fruitless) search on these forums for a replacement main. Yes well I think EvE is vastly different from any other game and those who choose to take shortcuts do not deserve to play and will end up quitting shortly. Gronsak is Tux's angry alt.
Amdushus Palimadore Minmatar Black Scorpion LTD	Posted - 2006.09.23 18:34:00 - [7] Originally by: OrangeAfroMan Trust me, if you haven't already flown a ship for months you don't know crap about what it takes to fly it or how to do so effectively. Oh spare me. That is the most poorly-thought out, elistist garbage argument on the matter I've ever heard. You are making a blanket generalization of all new players. Is that based on your own experience? Did it take you "months" to figure out how to properly fit/fly a specific ship? How do you know that it would take me "months" to figure it out? Ridiculous assertion. -- "Just because you're paranoid - don't mean they're not after you..." -- Kurt Cobain
Nafri Caldari Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.09.23 19:45:00 - [8] Originally by: Lifewire Actually 20% or even more of the accounts are probably ebayed. Its sad. But i think it does not make sense to forbid account selling (i talk of the full account, not ISK!) And why? A ebay-sold account is good for all others: - CCP has a new customer - old player gets cash for his 2-3 years of work - other players get a nice target to kill: a n00b in a BS with best equipment! What do we want more??? I would allow Ebay-selling of accounts, but hunt ISK sellers. aye, the most funniest stuff happens if ebayers meet 0.0 From Dusk till Dawn
ParMizaN Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.09.23 19:56:00 - [9] I hate GTCs more than ebay tbh. At least if sombody uses ebay then ccp will nuke 'em. sig edited for lack of pink really PINK -eris Pink is overrated, yellow is the new pink - Xorus XORUS!!1 HEATHEN KILLKILLKILLKILLKILL - Immy
Adoro Reunited	Posted - 2006.09.23 20:27:00 - [10] Originally by: Amdushus Palimadore Originally by: OrangeAfroMan Trust me, if you haven't already flown a ship for months you don't know crap about what it takes to fly it or how to do so effectively. Oh spare me. That is the most poorly-thought out, elistist garbage argument on the matter I've ever heard. You are making a blanket generalization of all new players. Is that based on your own experience? Did it take you "months" to figure out how to properly fit/fly a specific ship? How do you know that it would take me "months" to figure it out? Ridiculous assertion. Your a bit arrogant tbh, think you know all but in the end you probally know **. You are in your own selfish mind thinking you're the best. Learning the fastest and are so much diffrent then the rest of your EVE-age. You play 1,5 month, open your eyes. You dont know anything little boy... -------- Bailian Moxtain: Quote:** Who needs pride when there's isk to be made
Lorin Sky	Posted - 2006.09.23 20:39:00 - [11] Originally by: Adoro Originally by: Amdushus Palimadore Originally by: OrangeAfroMan Trust me, if you haven't already flown a ship for months you don't know crap about what it takes to fly it or how to do so effectively. Oh spare me. That is the most poorly-thought out, elistist garbage argument on the matter I've ever heard. You are making a blanket generalization of all new players. Is that based on your own experience? Did it take you "months" to figure out how to properly fit/fly a specific ship? How do you know that it would take me "months" to figure it out? Ridiculous assertion. Your a bit arrogant tbh, think you know all but in the end you probally know ***. You are in your own selfish mind thinking you're the best. Learning the fastest and are so much diffrent then the rest of your EVE-age. You play 1,5 month, open your eyes. I don't think that's what was said at all. He simply said that people learn at different rates, and he might* learn quicker. Is that so hard to understand? Originally by: Adoro You dont know anything little boy... And he's arrogant? Irony truly is dead.
Godar Marak Amarr Return Of Red Dawn	Posted - 2006.09.23 21:11:00 - [12] Edited by: Godar Marak on 23/09/2006 21:11:04 Adoro you owned yourself
Adoro Reunited	Posted - 2006.09.23 22:51:00 - [13] Originally by: Godar Marak Edited by: Godar Marak on 23/09/2006 21:11:04 Adoro you owned yourself Well that sure is one hell of a constructive reply, keep em coming :) -------- Bailian Moxtain: Quote: Who needs pride when there's isk to be made
Samirol Ore Mongers	Posted - 2006.09.23 22:56:00 - [14] amdush, what ship were you thinking of? Maybe not herpes, but I'll give ya goat!-Tirg
Roxanna Kell Holy Jihad	Posted - 2006.09.24 00:01:00 - [15] YES, i do know that this guy is an EBAY Accoutn for sure. first of all he tried to kill noobs in low sec, so i took out his ferox with the cerberus. than he coems back with another account,. guese what the other account he came with was a Friend of ours From DICE, the guy had soem issue with dice so he quit the game and sold his account. the funny thing is that this guy spoke french mostly and knew only a bit of english. now suddenly this person no longer recognise me, no longer speaks french, and he is talking to me how he is going to sue me over attacking him in english and german, wtf. yes iam 100% sure he is an EBAY account, yet He is still logging in every day, and the petetion i made has been closed. iam not giving any names regarding the petetion, because we re not allowed of course. Quote: You have ONE advantage over me.....you can kiss my ass and I can't!!
OrangeAfroMan Suffoco Noctis Atrocitas	Posted - 2006.09.24 00:33:00 - [16] Originally by: Amdushus Palimadore Originally by: OrangeAfroMan Trust me, if you haven't already flown a ship for months you don't know crap about what it takes to fly it or how to do so effectively. Oh spare me. That is the most poorly-thought out, elistist garbage argument on the matter I've ever heard. You are making a blanket generalization of all new players. Is that based on your own experience? Did it take you "months" to figure out how to properly fit/fly a specific ship? How do you know that it would take me "months" to figure it out? Ridiculous assertion. I spare nobody. And yes, it literally does take that long to be considered remotely "good" with a ship. Gronsak is Tux's angry alt.
Lifewire Caldari TunDraGon	Posted - 2006.09.24 00:33:00 - [17] 240 $ per year - this pays Ovreur for 2 h. Forum:http://www.tundragon.com/forum/ Movies:http://www.tundragon.com/pub/eveclips Killboard:http://www.tundragon.com/
Ishquar Teh'Sainte Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.09.24 00:49:00 - [18] Edited by: Ishquar Teh''Sainte on 24/09/2006 00:50:31 Originally by: Amdushus Palimadore Originally by: OrangeAfroMan Trust me, if you haven't already flown a ship for months you don't know crap about what it takes to fly it or how to do so effectively. Oh spare me. That is the most poorly-thought out, elistist garbage argument on the matter I've ever heard. You are making a blanket generalization of all new players. Is that based on your own experience? Did it take you "months" to figure out how to properly fit/fly a specific ship? How do you know that it would take me "months" to figure it out? Ridiculous assertion. uhm .. no it doesn't take month to know how to fit a ship properly ... only a look at the forums ... but it takes month to know exactly what your ship and setup CAN DO and CAN NOT DO ... not that often because the player isn't learning that fast - but more that the different situation doesn't occure that often ... and it also depends on the player - if someone pvps everyday extensive (especially in time, also the "quility" of the kills is important - not the quantity) he will know better and faster what his ship can do and what not, but it still takes lot of time and effort for him to figure most of the things out ... ___________________ -Skellibjalla- Life is a garden of perceptions. Pick your fruit.
westernstab	Posted - 2006.09.24 04:30:00 - [19] i rember when CCP let poeple transfer accounts as long as you had the CD key and agreeded the trasnfer was non reverseable... to be honest noobs in BS's with top gear = pinyata

Santiago Cortes Caldari Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2006.09.24 05:25:00 - [20] Cleaned Off-topic posts removed, whilst CCP may choose not to broadcast every time they remove ebayers from the game, make no mistake this is going on. iirc the last time it was a news item was when 200+ accounts were removed. As for actual process, if someone accused you of being an ebayer I'm sure you would prefer a lengthy investigation rather than a knee-jerk reaction and it takes time to get that evidence. P.S. It's pi±ata eve-crc.net \| forum rules \| c.a.o.d forum rules \| [email protected]

Benglada Finite Horizon	Posted - 2006.09.24 09:13:00 - [21] I quite like them, i once had a 3 year old char in a domi attack my domi...he had light drones and 150mm rails, i pwnd him and took his loot, he un docked in a full t2 fitted proph, i pwnd him.....he was obviously an ebayed char because it sounded like (from what he said in local) Hed never played a day in his life. --------------------------- Originally by: Arkanor 0.0 is the Final Frontier. Bring money and friends.
GBBUTT Dismemberment	Posted - 2006.09.24 22:16:00 - [22] Edited by: GBBUTT on 24/09/2006 22:18:17 Originally by: Sphit Ker CCP sure goes after ISK buyers. I know a guy who bough ISK for a Freighter. Lost both the freighter and the billion. mwhahahah -1,000,000,000 doh! All he needs to do is buy some Game Time Cards
spongebobbb	Posted - 2006.09.25 00:44:00 - [23] how do u know he didnt buy the account for isk?
Hellspawn01 Amarr The Phantom Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.09.25 00:47:00 - [24] Originally by: Santiago Cortes Cleaned Off-topic posts removed, whilst CCP may choose not to broadcast every time they remove ebayers from the game, make no mistake this is going on. iirc the last time it was a news item was when 200+ accounts were removed. As for actual process, if someone accused you of being an ebayer I'm sure you would prefer a lengthy investigation rather than a knee-jerk reaction and it takes time to get that evidence. P.S. It's pi±ata Why not make a weekly/monthly update about it. Ppl would see that CCP does something and the whining would decrease and all will be happy. Ship lovers click here
Herrmann Vietzich Caldari	Posted - 2006.09.25 05:54:00 - [25] Originally by: Hellspawn01 Why not make a weekly/monthly update about it. Ppl would see that CCP does something and the whining would decrease and all will be happy. Nah, people would then whine about how CCP is spending too much time hunting down Ebayers and too little time fixing bugs/server issues. --- "Into the fire, she swallowed their hate." - Dahlia Gillespie ***
TuRtLe HeAd The Bratwurst Burglars	Posted - 2006.09.25 07:57:00 - [26] Quote: he got 2 accounts and they re 100% from ebay as i know who preowned them. Theres the issue. Maybe its the person that Preowned that needs shooting, not the person that bought them.
Herrmann Vietzich Caldari	Posted - 2006.09.25 08:02:00 - [27] Originally by: TuRtLe HeAd Maybe its the person that Preowned that needs shooting, not the person that bought them. Nope. Both people are violating the EULA. --- "Into the fire, she swallowed their hate." - Dahlia Gillespie ***
Celeste Storm Gallente Elite United Corp Antigo Dominion	Posted - 2006.09.25 08:06:00 - [28] Originally by: TuRtLe HeAd Quote: he got 2 accounts and they re 100% from ebay as i know who preowned them. Theres the issue. Maybe its the person that Preowned that needs shooting, not the person that bought them. This person is no longer playing. Wtf shall CCP do if not take care for the nub who bought the account? Cel. concord in complex: Notify Concord is on their way to help you, just hang in there, they are waiting for the gatekeeper to respawn
Herrmann Vietzich Caldari	Posted - 2006.09.25 08:07:00 - [29] Edited by: Herrmann Vietzich on 25/09/2006 08:08:06 Originally by: Celeste Storm This person is no longer playing. Wtf shall CCP do if not take care for the nub who bought the account? Cel. Why, didn't you know? They have an International Special Forces Recon GM division equipped with nerf bats, pwnage guns, and mousecuffs just for this very purpose! --- "Into the fire, she swallowed their hate." - Dahlia Gillespie ***
Alliaanna Dalaii Gallente Does Not Compute	Posted - 2006.09.25 08:38:00 - [30] Edited by: Alliaanna Dalaii on 25/09/2006 08:40:25 Originally by: Santiago Cortes Cleaned Off-topic posts removed, whilst CCP may choose not to broadcast every time they remove ebayers from the game, make no mistake this is going on. iirc the last time it was a news item was when 200+ accounts were removed. As for actual process, if someone accused you of being an ebayer I'm sure you would prefer a lengthy investigation rather than a knee-jerk reaction and it takes time to get that evidence. P.S. It's pi±ata Im sorry but this is complete rubbish ! My account was banned for an alleged illigal charachter transfer all to do with me informing my corp thats what I was doing. No contact was made with me prior to banning, No investigation was caried out at all. And if it was I'm afraid I would go as far to say that you employ slightly above average IQ monkeys. #Account was still being paid for by same owner and his credit card. #Static IP address remained the same. #Log in times remained exactly the same. #I ripped off the corp that petitioned me, Corp thief spring to mind I have no dought this will be removed, but any reading it know what a complete load of horse ** what you just said was. Alliaanna** DNC Treasure Hunt !!
Karlemgne	Posted - 2006.09.26 14:23:00 - [31] Originally by: Herrmann Vietzich Originally by: TuRtLe HeAd Maybe its the person that Preowned that needs shooting, not the person that bought them. Nope. Both people are violating the EULA. Not that I'm defending Ebayers and Farmers here, but have you ever actually read the EULA for a MMO? Lets put it this way, you are agreeing to some outlandish s***, which you've probably violated 10 times without even knowing it. Just an observation. -Karlemgne
Karlemgne	Posted - 2006.09.26 14:26:00 - [32] Originally by: Celeste Storm Originally by: TuRtLe HeAd Quote: he got 2 accounts and they re 100% from ebay as i know who preowned them. Theres the issue. Maybe its the person that Preowned that needs shooting, not the person that bought them. This person is no longer playing. Wtf shall CCP do if not take care for the nub who bought the account? Cel. Who cares really? Other than CCP for people paying cash for CCP's not real virtual merchandise. Don't you feel the least bit sorry for the poor shmuck who's paid cash for an account and is now about to lose his investment? -Karlemgne
Gamesguy	Posted - 2006.09.26 16:53:00 - [33] Isnt buying entire accounts legal anyways? You just cant buy individual characters right?
Serious Bob	Posted - 2006.09.26 17:08:00 - [34] Originally by: Gamesguy Isnt buying entire accounts legal anyways? You just cant buy individual characters right? Uh yes, that's it. Or not. Character transfers are allowed, but an account is tied to the original creator.
The Anointed Caldari KIA Corp	Posted - 2006.09.26 20:45:00 - [35] The big thing that I dont get, is why ebay allow themselves to be the medium by which things like this are sold. Surely if ccp say 'dont sell our ****' then ebay would have to stick to it. That may be a simplistic view on it, but surely there must be something that ccp/ebay can do to stop the auctions even being posted? If not then, well, to be honest i wish it suprised me, but it doesnt.
xenodia Gallente Black Omega Security E.R.A	Posted - 2006.09.26 20:47:00 - [36] Originally by: Benglada I quite like them, i once had a 3 year old char in a domi attack my domi...he had light drones and 150mm rails, i pwnd him and took his loot, he un docked in a full t2 fitted proph, i pwnd him.....he was obviously an ebayed char because it sounded like (from what he said in local) Hed never played a day in his life. Could just as easily have been a carebear whod never PvP'd but decided to use his isk to purchase a pvp character, which is perfectly legal as far as CCP is concerned as long as its done through the Sell orders forums on this site, and they follow proper procedures for doing so. Theres absolutely nothing ive read here that indicates that the subject of the original post didnt just buy a CHARACTER through legit means. Granted, he could have bought the account on ebay (which is against the EULA) but just because someone has a character that they didnt "raise" doesnt mean they got it on ebay.
xenodia Gallente Black Omega Security E.R.A	Posted - 2006.09.26 20:51:00 - [37] Originally by: Gamesguy Isnt buying entire accounts legal anyways? You just cant buy individual characters right? Sort of backwards. You can buy characters, but not for real cash. you can buy/sell characters for ISK, provided you do it with CCP's approved procedure, which is outlined in the Sell Orders forum. You can NOT legally buy or sell an entire account at all, and you cant sell a character for rl cash. Now, technically, theres nothing to stop someone from buying game time codes for RL cash, selling them for ISK, and then using the ISK to buy a character (thus converting RL cash to uber character, just with a middle man), without ever having played a day of EVE, but thats a story for another thread.
Necronomicon Caldari KIA Corp	Posted - 2006.09.27 23:50:00 - [38] I had a quick look see on Ebay, and especially with characters they tend to put "You are not bidding for the character, but the time used to play the game to get it up to <insert Skill point amount here > Points. Since the EULA does not cover giving a character away (to the best of my knowledge), is it a loophole? I do despise anyone who breaks the rules to get ahead in the game, as for me I will be mining veld till new year for my next ship :( Carlsberg dont make Eve Pilots, but if they did, i wouldnt be one of them.
Gift Amarr Loot	Posted - 2006.09.28 00:01:00 - [39] Honestly people, why do you car so much? Does it hurt you, do you lose money somehow, does it make you e-peen smaller, what? If CCP doesn't care, why do you? Pirates of Eve, Join channel "Pirate" Today!
Heikki Gallente Wreckless Abandon	Posted - 2006.09.28 00:52:00 - [40] Originally by: Gift why do you car so much? Perhaps because some people care for the game, and feel that Ebaying (and GTC to ISK) does hurt the game in the long run? There are already games where whole concept goes around RL money (like Second Life, Entropy); people embracing the concept should focus on them instead. CCP has chosen Eve to be a game where your personal achievement history should matter. For me that is requirement for choosing to play the game. For analogue, would you see anything wrong if in a Marathon race the leading runner sold 'the time he spend running' to random millionaire, who finishes the last few meters and thus becomes the world champion? -Lasse
Gift Amarr Loot	Posted - 2006.09.28 00:59:00 - [41] Edited by: Gift on 28/09/2006 01:03:49 Originally by: Heikki Originally by: Gift why do you car so much? Perhaps because some people care for the game, and feel that Ebaying (and GTC to ISK) does hurt the game in the long run? How? EDIT - and im not talking about macro-miners & the like. Just how 1 guy buying an account hurts the game. Pirates of Eve, Join channel "Pirate" Today!
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.09.28 01:25:00 - [42] Originally by: Necronomicon I had a quick look see on Ebay, and especially with characters they tend to put "You are not bidding for the character, but the time used to play the game to get it up to <insert Skill point amount here > Points. Since the EULA does not cover giving a character away (to the best of my knowledge), is it a loophole? Of course not. This text is on the bottom of every MMO auction in existence, and its completely groundless and meaningless. -[23] Member- Awesome new space games site, from the editor of E-ON!
Exiled One Amarr Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2006.09.28 05:11:00 - [43] Originally by: Gift Edited by: Gift on 28/09/2006 01:03:49 Originally by: Heikki Originally by: Gift why do you car so much? Perhaps because some people care for the game, and feel that Ebaying (and GTC to ISK) does hurt the game in the long run? How? EDIT - and im not talking about macro-miners & the like. Just how 1 guy buying an account hurts the game. How about getting your ship ganked by a 25bil rattlesnake piloted by a chap who played eve for 2 months and knows where the f1-f8 keys are located? It's all chips and candy but when you lose a ship to a player/ship that wasn't supposed to be there.
Gift Amarr Loot	Posted - 2006.09.28 06:51:00 - [44] Edited by: Gift on 28/09/2006 06:55:13 Originally by: Exiled One Originally by: Gift Edited by: Gift on 28/09/2006 01:03:49 Originally by: Heikki Originally by: Gift why do you car so much? Perhaps because some people care for the game, and feel that Ebaying (and GTC to ISK) does hurt the game in the long run? How? EDIT - and im not talking about macro-miners & the like. Just how 1 guy buying an account hurts the game. How about getting your ship ganked by a 25bil rattlesnake piloted by a chap who played eve for 2 months and knows where the f1-f8 keys are located? It's all chips and candy but when you lose a ship to a player/ship that wasn't supposed to be there. The original character would have killed you aswell. what is the difference, youre still dead. Now, how about a REAL way you could be hurt by a noob buying an account? Ill save you some time, there isnt one. Pirates of Eve, Join channel "Pirate" Today!
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve Kimotoro Directive	Posted - 2006.09.28 08:26:00 - [45] Originally by: Karlemgne Originally by: Herrmann Vietzich Originally by: TuRtLe HeAd Maybe its the person that Preowned that needs shooting, not the person that bought them. Nope. Both people are violating the EULA. Not that I'm defending Ebayers and Farmers here, but have you ever actually read the EULA for a MMO? Lets put it this way, you are agreeing to some outlandish s*, which you've probably violated 10 times without even knowing it. Just an observation. -Karlemgne Ignorance is no excuse. Originally by:** kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve Kimotoro Directive	Posted - 2006.09.28 08:28:00 - [46] Originally by: Necronomicon I had a quick look see on Ebay, and especially with characters they tend to put "You are not bidding for the character, but the time used to play the game to get it up to <insert Skill point amount here > Points. Since the EULA does not cover giving a character away (to the best of my knowledge), is it a loophole? No, becuase you're breaking the EULA by making real $$ off of EVE. Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
Specture Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2006.09.28 09:09:00 - [47] Originally by: Gift Edited by: Gift on 28/09/2006 01:03:49 Originally by: Heikki Originally by: Gift why do you car so much? Perhaps because some people care for the game, and feel that Ebaying (and GTC to ISK) does hurt the game in the long run? How? EDIT - and im not talking about macro-miners & the like. Just how 1 guy buying an account hurts the game. gift probably likes the people who are noobs and buy hi-end characters and gear, then venture into low sec and get pooned I dont blame him, I do it too
Catalina Estaban	Posted - 2006.09.28 09:50:00 - [48] Edited by: Catalina Estaban on 28/09/2006 09:51:12 Edited by: Catalina Estaban on 28/09/2006 09:50:51 Originally by: Necronomicon I had a quick look see on Ebay, and especially with characters they tend to put "You are not bidding for the character, but the time used to play the game to get it up to <insert Skill point amount here > Points. Since the EULA does not cover giving a character away (to the best of my knowledge), is it a loophole? I do despise anyone who breaks the rules to get ahead in the game, as for me I will be mining veld till new year for my next ship :( Hehe imagine if this worked, I can just see it on ebay now: Auctioning - 2 kg. mari-juana You are not bidding for the pot itself, but the time used to grow it.
IcemansMiner	Posted - 2006.09.28 10:37:00 - [49] Ill have a quater of that ha ha ha
DOGNOSH Minmatar SKULLDOGS	Posted - 2006.09.28 11:10:00 - [50] blame should be on the vets who sell these 30Mill SP + chars on ebay,but what's the point as the vets are the one complaining on here mmmm pink Eris will approve - Xorus Xorus has been webbified - DOGNOSH
Gift Amarr Loot	Posted - 2006.09.28 15:31:00 - [51] Originally by: Specture Originally by: Gift Edited by: Gift on 28/09/2006 01:03:49 Originally by: Heikki Originally by: Gift why do you car so much? Perhaps because some people care for the game, and feel that Ebaying (and GTC to ISK) does hurt the game in the long run? How? EDIT - and im not talking about macro-miners & the like. Just how 1 guy buying an account hurts the game. gift probably likes the people who are noobs and buy hi-end characters and gear, then venture into low sec and get pooned I dont blame him, I do it too Hehe, you got me there. Pirates of Eve, Join channel "Pirate" Today!
Karlemgne Red Navy Faction Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2006.09.28 15:41:00 - [52] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Necronomicon I had a quick look see on Ebay, and especially with characters they tend to put "You are not bidding for the character, but the time used to play the game to get it up to <insert Skill point amount here > Points. Since the EULA does not cover giving a character away (to the best of my knowledge), is it a loophole? Of course not. This text is on the bottom of every MMO auction in existence, and its completely groundless and meaningless. This is how ebay allows them to procede. Ebay has to stop people if they are "selling virtual merchandise" owned by CCP, however, if a player is "selling" his "time," it may be a violation of your EULA agreement with CCP, but it isn't agaist the law. Poof ebay makes money legaly off of MMO sales. -K

Santiago Cortes Caldari Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2006.09.30 04:16:00 - [53] Locked CCP does punish ebayers which pretty much defeats the thread from the start. Dentara Rast being the most recent and high-profile perp brought to justice. eve-crc.net \| forum rules \| c.a.o.d forum rules \| [email protected]


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