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admiral root Red Galaxy 2249	Posted - 2015.01.31 20:11:35 - [31] - Quote Solonius Rex wrote: admiral root wrote: Solonius Rex wrote: lol@ how Dream Five sent Tora 300 million isk only to see them lose 2 billion isk and only deal 500 mill in damage(mostly pods, only 9 destroyers). Dream Five is a hero of the New Order, in addition to being a previous winner of our Dummy of the Week competition. Let me guess, her "Strategic" move to lose a second freighter an hour after the first, won her that award? Actually, it was his profound and most learned writings on this noble forum. No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff \| No-one hates you, none of us care enough for that. Sabriz for CSM
Vector Symian 0 Fear 198	Posted - 2015.02.01 04:37:13 - [32] - Quote So you are giving tears about getting tears and so you wish to cause ganker tears so the miner tears stop an so people like you who have no idea don't tear about tears with tears dude I think your drowning P.S- A.G have tried that and it didn't work your not the first nulli to try and you wont be that last Nullies will never understand Imperials o7
CODE Agent AC The Conference Elite CODE. 925	Posted - 2015.02.01 05:04:20 - [33] - Quote Unsuccessful At Everything wrote: Azov Rassau wrote: 2) Unsuccessful At Everything's reaction 3) Paranoid Loyd's reaction 4) loyalanon's reaction 5) Cannibal Kane's reaction 6) Jonah Gravenstein's reaction 7) Feyd Rautha Harkonnen's reaction Did I forget somebody? Yeah I think I did.. 8) Veers Belvar's reaction 9) AC's Venture Killing Contest Redux! 10) thread locked. Rule: Redundant! <3 C&P Fixed #9 Refixt! The Artist Formerly Known As AC. The terminal end of the digestive system. The Best CSM Candidate
Anal Canal The Conference Elite CODE. 928	Posted - 2015.02.01 05:04:20 - [34] - Quote Unsuccessful At Everything wrote: Azov Rassau wrote: 2) Unsuccessful At Everything's reaction 3) Paranoid Loyd's reaction 4) loyalanon's reaction 5) Cannibal Kane's reaction 6) Jonah Gravenstein's reaction 7) Feyd Rautha Harkonnen's reaction Did I forget somebody? Yeah I think I did.. 8) Veers Belvar's reaction 9) AC's Venture Killing Contest Redux! 10) thread locked. Rule: Redundant! <3 C&P Fixed #9 Refixt! The Artist Formerly Known As AC. The terminal end of the digestive system. The Best CSM Candidate
Vector Symian 0 Fear 200	Posted - 2015.02.01 05:17:14 - [35] - Quote CODE Agent AC wrote: Unsuccessful At Everything wrote: Azov Rassau wrote: 2) Unsuccessful At Everything's reaction 3) Paranoid Loyd's reaction 4) loyalanon's reaction 5) Cannibal Kane's reaction 6) Jonah Gravenstein's reaction 7) Feyd Rautha Harkonnen's reaction Did I forget somebody? Yeah I think I did.. 8) Veers Belvar's reaction 9) AC's Venture Killing Contest Redux! 10) thread locked. Rule: Redundant! <3 C&P Fixed #9 Refixt! Your Veers reaction had me in tears...thankyou o7
Veers Belvar Swordmasters of New Eden 454	Posted - 2015.02.01 15:29:27 - [36] - Quote lame
Lorelei Ierendi Lorelei for CSM 113	Posted - 2015.02.01 17:06:25 - [37] - Quote The OP should be required reading for new players that want to start mining. Tengu Grib wrote: Dear miners and other HS carebears, what the OP has said is true. You should read it and absorb it instead of threatening to kill the family members of the guys who gank you. And I would like to refer the miners and other HS carebears to my CSM thread. Now you don't have to vote for me... but just sitting around and whining in the forums is not going to get anything done! If you want to get something done, you have to mobilise, organise, and do something. Noone is going to do it for you! Hello, world! Lorelei for CSM! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=386664
admiral root Red Galaxy 2263	Posted - 2015.02.01 20:20:36 - [38] - Quote Why would anyone want to defeat us when they could join us, instead? No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff \| No-one hates you, none of us care enough for that. Sabriz for CSM
Futt Isimazu State War Academy Caldari State 11	Posted - 2015.02.02 09:30:56 - [39] - Quote admiral root wrote: Why would anyone want to defeat us when they could join us, instead? bcuz ur ebil and killed my barge :(((((((
Drez Arthie Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 8	Posted - 2015.02.02 13:23:10 - [40] - Quote I'm a carebear who's been in a lot of carebear corps, and never been ganked while mining nor even known of any corpmate ganked while mining. Are we doing something wrong? We tend to mine in groups and never AFK, maybe that's it. And no I never heard of anyone buying a CODE permit.

William Viper Viper Defense Systems 0	Posted - 2015.02.02 14:06:21 - [41] - Quote HighSec miners are not the main victims of CODE or whatever kind of HighSec gankers. What about new players? Players who recently joined EVE? Doing some missions, gathering some ore in the belts? How many of those already quit playing EVE because they got shot by "pirates" while moving to Jita in their first industrial? What EVE Online needs are new players. Players who stay with us (!) in New Eden. Players who spend their money for PLEX and populate our universe. How can we achieve this? 1st proposal: no offensive action against other players in HighSec should be possible. No shooting at them, no targeting, no jamming, no whatever. 2nd proposal: buff CONCORDE. They should be everywhere in HighSec and destroy every capsuleer who targets an other player. You think that's too extreme? Think about the decrease in the number of players who quit playing EVE within their first week because they got ganked in HighSec.
Tora Bushido EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective 1901	Posted - 2015.02.02 14:12:20 - [42] - Quote Chocolate Mooses wrote: much good post until this part. hiring "mercs" against the CODE. alliance = giving your ISK away to someone for literally 0 results. look how hard we trashed the noble mermaids led by the brave tomato burrito (space bushido!) in their little war campaign. is that even still going on? Still in denial you are being owned I see So before you bla bla, you might want to kill more then 2 ships. TORA FOR CSM X - A NEW HIGH-SEC YOU EITHER LOVE US OR WE HATE YOU - ADAPT OR DIE - DELETE THE WEAK
Black Pedro Yammerschooner 568	Posted - 2015.02.02 14:22:02 - [43] - Quote William Viper wrote: HighSec miners are not the main victims of CODE or whatever kind of HighSec gankers. What about new players? Players who recently joined EVE? Doing some missions, gathering some ore in the belts? How many of those already quit playing EVE because they got shot by "pirates" while moving to Jita in their first industrial? What EVE Online needs are new players. Players who stay with us (!) in New Eden. Players who spend their money for PLEX and populate our universe. How can we achieve this? 1st proposal: no offensive action against other players in HighSec should be possible. No shooting at them, no targeting, no jamming, no whatever. 2nd proposal: buff CONCORDE. They should be everywhere in HighSec and destroy every capsuleer who targets an other player. You think that's too extreme? Think about the decrease in the number of players who quit playing EVE within their first week because they got ganked in HighSec. Perhaps you should make this proposal in the Features and Ideas subforum where it can be properly addressed. I was going to pull out the standard response about what kind of game this is, the CCP Falcon oratory and the like, but I think I will just say that if you think this is possible without breaking much of the sandbox that makes Eve so unique in the MMO game space, you are sadly mistaken. And what is the point of mollycoddling new players to the reality of what type of game this is? At some point they will have to get use to their ship exploding - this is a competitive PvP sandbox after all. Eventually they will do something, lose a ship and then quit. If anything, we should take the opposite approach and not let players leave the starting tutorials until they have lost a dozen ships to other new players in PvP, some of them unexpectedly while they are doing something else. That is much more likely to get players used to loss, and soften the blow when they unexpectedly lose that first ship to another player. Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10 is a good idea.
Lucas Kell Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance 5012	Posted - 2015.02.02 14:26:06 - [44] - Quote William Viper wrote: HighSec miners are not the main victims of CODE or whatever kind of HighSec gankers. What about new players? Players who recently joined EVE? Doing some missions, gathering some ore in the belts? How many of those already quit playing EVE because they got shot by "pirates" while moving to Jita in their first industrial? What EVE Online needs are new players. Players who stay with us (!) in New Eden. Players who spend their money for PLEX and populate our universe. How can we achieve this? 1st proposal: no offensive action against other players in HighSec should be possible. No shooting at them, no targeting, no jamming, no whatever. 2nd proposal: buff CONCORDE. They should be everywhere in HighSec and destroy every capsuleer who targets an other player. You think that's too extreme? Think about the decrease in the number of players who quit playing EVE within their first week because they got ganked in HighSec. That is too extreme. While yes, I'm sure there's some players that quit because of being ganked, there are also many players who quit due to boredom. Removing ganking entirely would just shift people from quitting because they got ganked to quitting because they got bored. Ganking needs to stay. There's certainly balance issue that needs to be worked out however as it's too easy to gank a player and too difficult to reactively deal with a gank attempt. More tools should be given to allow people to fight back against a gank attempt rather than automatic mechanic buffs like concord response time decreases. The only change I'd make to concord is one Black Pedro suggested a while back which is varied response times, so concord might arrive in 10 secs, they might arrive in 50. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. Chrysus Industries - Savings made simple!
Drez Arthie Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 8	Posted - 2015.02.02 17:02:55 - [45] - Quote William Viper wrote: What about new players? Players who recently joined EVE? Doing some missions, gathering some ore in the belts? How many of those already quit playing EVE because they got shot by "pirates" while moving to Jita in their first industrial? No, don't change the game, change the new players' expectations. How about tutorial missions where the new player gets ganked by an initially non-hostile NPC in their starter ship, then the agent gives them a new one, for example? If they get ganked while mining or moving cargo, they will at least not have a "WTF!?!?" reaction, and think it's some sort of unsanctioned exploit.
Tora Bushido EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective 1901	Posted - 2015.02.02 17:40:00 - [46] - Quote Operation Shhh.. Code has began. Just imagine Code having no one to cry too, because everyone has them muted by default. TORA FOR CSM X - A NEW HIGH-SEC YOU EITHER LOVE US OR WE HATE YOU - ADAPT OR DIE - DELETE THE WEAK
Shnjago Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE. 2	Posted - 2015.02.02 17:43:45 - [47] - Quote Tora Bushido wrote: Chocolate Mooses wrote: much good post until this part. hiring "mercs" against the CODE. alliance = giving your ISK away to someone for literally 0 results. look how hard we trashed the noble mermaids led by the brave tomato burrito (space bushido!) in their little war campaign. is that even still going on? Still in denial you are being owned I see So before you bla bla, you might want to kill more then 2 ships. Actually CODE shows steady increase in performance ever since it was permadecced by Marmites: https://zkillboard.com/alliance/99002775/stats/ November: 789.9bil December: 1.03t January: 1.10t (first two days of february, pretty good start I'd say): 96.02bil I think there's a clear difference between mercenaries enjoying being on CONCORD kms and them actually protecting their clients (either by denying kills or by eliminating offending entity). So far, it seems there's an obvious bias toward first option, with Marmites less caring about the effect of their action, striving to be in as many CONCORD kms as possible. I observed this strange obsession with CONCORD KMs in anti-ganking channel, but am very surprised to see respected mercenaries falling for the same fallacy.
Kaelynne Rose WTB Somalians 16	Posted - 2015.02.02 17:48:18 - [48] - Quote Lol "respected"??? Camping hubs/gates/running when shot at? AG bears are same level of respect. That Jen chick is example of successful AG. Lol @ respect for marmates that have industry alts This whole thing started cuz Tora was carebearing on his frieghter alt and got his compressed ore ganked
Tora Bushido EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective 1901	Posted - 2015.02.02 17:52:16 - [49] - Quote And remember, you can also hide all post made by Codies. Ops Success. Its so refreshing not having to read all the bull. \\// TORA FOR CSM X - A NEW HIGH-SEC YOU EITHER LOVE US OR WE HATE YOU - ADAPT OR DIE - DELETE THE WEAK
Shnjago Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE. 2	Posted - 2015.02.02 17:56:37 - [50] - Quote Tora Bushido wrote: And remember, you can also hide all post made by Codies. Ops Success. Its so refreshing not having to read all the bull. \\// That's really unbelievable. What happened between loyalanon and Tora for latter to start behaving in this way? CODE always provided hottest Eve content, and will keep doing that in foreseeable future: there's just too many non-compliant players in Eve, ready to share their feelings on CODE's exquisite combat style. The futility of "permadeccing" CODE can only be compared to futility of kindergarten-style "let's pretend we don't see Bobby" strategy. Just unbelievable.

Elizabet Forgrave Perkone Caldari State 7	Posted - 2015.02.02 18:08:37 - [51] - Quote Shnjago wrote: Actually CODE shows steady increase in performance ever since it was permadecced by Marmites: https://zkillboard.com/alliance/99002775/stats/ November: 789.9bil December: 1.03t January: 1.10t (first two days of february, pretty good start I'd say): 96.02bil I think there's a clear difference between mercenaries enjoying being on CONCORD kms and them actually protecting their clients (either by denying kills or by eliminating offending entity). So far, it seems there's an obvious bias toward first option, with Marmites less caring about the effect of their action, striving to be in as many CONCORD kms as possible. I observed this strange obsession with CONCORD KMs in anti-ganking channel, but am very surprised to see respected mercenaries falling for the same fallacy. I'm working on bringing those numbers down through super secret magic tricks! Mwahahahahaha!
Kaelynne Rose WTB Somalians 16	Posted - 2015.02.02 18:51:00 - [52] - Quote Shnjago wrote: Tora Bushido wrote: And remember, you can also hide all post made by Codies. Ops Success. Its so refreshing not having to read all the bull. \\// That's really unbelievable. What happened between loyalanon and Tora for latter to start behaving in this way? CODE always provided hottest Eve content, and will keep doing that in foreseeable future: there's just too many non-compliant players in Eve, ready to share their feelings on CODE's exquisite combat style. The futility of "permadeccing" CODE can only be compared to futility of kindergarten-style "let's pretend we don't see Bobby" strategy. Just unbelievable. Tora 4 CSMX! The man that never runs/hides from issues or problems... Wait... wut? Lmao dude. Na na nnnaaa na naa i cant hear you! L Ru joking dude?
Tora Bushido EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective 1902	Posted - 2015.02.02 20:11:58 - [53] - Quote Kaelynne Rose wrote: Lmao dude. Na na nnnaaa na naa i cant hear you! Ru joking dude? Nananananaaaa... cant hear ya TORA FOR CSM X - A NEW HIGH-SEC YOU EITHER LOVE US OR WE HATE YOU - ADAPT OR DIE - DELETE THE WEAK
MPaladin Omega Dawn Corp 9	Posted - 2015.02.02 23:02:32 - [54] - Quote William Viper wrote: HighSec miners are not the main victims of CODE or whatever kind of HighSec gankers. What about new players? Players who recently joined EVE? Doing some missions, gathering some ore in the belts? How many of those already quit playing EVE because they got shot by "pirates" while moving to Jita in their first industrial? What EVE Online needs are new players. Players who stay with us (!) in New Eden. Players who spend their money for PLEX and populate our universe. How can we achieve this? 1st proposal: no offensive action against other players in HighSec should be possible. No shooting at them, no targeting, no jamming, no whatever. 2nd proposal: buff CONCORDE. They should be everywhere in HighSec and destroy every capsuleer who targets an other player. You think that's too extreme? Think about the decrease in the number of players who quit playing EVE within their first week because they got ganked in HighSec. I hope you have a Fire Retardant flight suit, because I predict the flames are going to be pretty hot.
Kthome Mares State War Academy Caldari State 3	Posted - 2015.02.03 04:14:37 - [55] - Quote Tora Bushido wrote: Operation Shhh.. Code has began. Just imagine Code having no one to cry too, because everyone has them muted by default. i actually laughed because this is all you can do considering you stay docked when code are in system. hows the war with break a wish going?
William Viper Viper Defense Systems 0	Posted - 2015.02.03 06:52:25 - [56] - Quote Black Pedro wrote: Perhaps you should make this proposal in the Features and Ideas subforum where it can be properly addressed. ... Thank you, Sir, for your advice! I'm new here in the forums (and basically to EVE after taking a break for a few years). Have a good one! o7
Ima Wreckyou The Conference Elite CODE. 776	Posted - 2015.02.03 07:49:13 - [57] - Quote Tora Bushido wrote: Operation Shhh.. Code has began. Just imagine Code having no one to cry too, because everyone has them muted by default. What a brilliant new war strategy. You are almost on par with the highsec miners and wannabe rebels now. Good job. Also calm down miner and make sure you have a valid permit in your bio. the Code ALWAYS wins
Tora Bushido EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective 1902	Posted - 2015.02.03 12:20:33 - [58] - Quote Seems C&P almost died without the Code tears. TORA FOR CSM X - A NEW HIGH-SEC YOU EITHER LOVE US OR WE HATE YOU - ADAPT OR DIE - DELETE THE WEAK
Miko Jin University of Caille Gallente Federation 305	Posted - 2015.02.03 13:30:55 - [59] - Quote Tora Bushido wrote: Seems C&P almost died without the Code tears. Reading through this thread I have to say I do not see any code tears, I do see somebody who IMHO has lost the plot and is trying to do damage limitation in a very naive way. Ego's are one thing but just replying with no substance makes you look rather silly.
Solonius Rex F0RCED ENTRY F0RCED ENTRY. 104	Posted - 2015.02.03 13:42:08 - [60] - Quote William Viper wrote: HighSec miners are not the main victims of CODE or whatever kind of HighSec gankers. What about new players? Players who recently joined EVE? Doing some missions, gathering some ore in the belts? How many of those already quit playing EVE because they got shot by "pirates" while moving to Jita in their first industrial? What EVE Online needs are new players. Players who stay with us (!) in New Eden. Players who spend their money for PLEX and populate our universe. How can we achieve this? 1st proposal: no offensive action against other players in HighSec should be possible. No shooting at them, no targeting, no jamming, no whatever. 2nd proposal: buff CONCORDE. They should be everywhere in HighSec and destroy every capsuleer who targets an other player. You think that's too extreme? Think about the decrease in the number of players who quit playing EVE within their first week because they got ganked in HighSec. Why stop there? What if a new player accidentally wanders into lowsec? What if he accepts a hisec mission into lowsec? What if he goes afk during missions? These could all lead to a dead ship, and a new player who leaves eve. Therefore, i think the only proposal should be, new players have immortal ships that can never die. Any player that is less than 5 months old, have ships that reach 1 structure, but no less. And of course, new players are also off limits for everything else that might make them want to leave. If a new player joins a player owned corp, that corp cannot be wardecced for 5 months. If a new player falls for a scam, CCP reimburses that player and bans the scammer. I mean, who cares if its completely game-breaking. Who cares if it completely changes what Eve is all about. All that matters is new player retention. We want a game that mirrors Star Trek Online. Completely safe. No risk.



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