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Seraph IX Basarab Hades Effect 536	Posted - 2015.01.23 08:39:52 - [1] - Quote I don't have anything against CODE and quite frankly as a cloaky pilot that spends most of his time in w-space, lowsec and null I've been mostly ignorant about who the hell they were. What does annoy me is the constant bawing and whining from the carebear community that will write up tear infested "woe is me" threads. So i'm going to offer you people (yeah YOU PEOPLE I SAID IT) some advice the very same way I would one of my clients...but less nice because you aren't paying me. I don't know if this will get moderated out but watch this video. Although we're not dealing with the specific issues outlined in the video, the concepts cross over. CODE numbers are smaller than that of all the highsec miners. They have organization, individual benefits, selective incentives, and a focus on what they want to do. Most of all this focus is based on co-operation with other members within their group. Miners on the other hand don't really benefit from working together. Usually they are rivals over common resources. There's no personal incentive to "try to do something about CODE" other than some whiny waterworks show on a forum that'll get the writer ridiculed and laughed at. Someone except someone else to "do something about it" thus introducing the free-rider problem. So what can be done? 1. Quit making whiny bawfest threads that annoy me and make you look like an idiot. HTFU 2. Stop flying T2 mining vessels. You're in highsec ffs. There is literally no reason for you to fly a 200 mil mining vessel. It's like taking a Nightmare or Marauder out belt ratting in some 0.9 system. Put an ECM and/or T1 logi alt in belt with you and fit your mining ships for buffer so they can catch reps. Do it on your passive income PI/research/whatever you do account. 3. Gank the gankers. Gankers generally use cheap blasterfit catys to knock your mining vessels back into the ore field whence they came from. It's a question of economics. They lose a cheap ship while you lose a more expensive one. Solution? Fit a cheaper ship and gank their ganking ships. Seriously a gank caty has ** all for tank, you could do it in t1 frigates. 4. Now most of the miners are going to free ride regardless. Those people can go themselves. You need to find the half dozen other groups that have followed the above steps and pool some isk together and hire mercs. Which ones? Well it's a question of numbers really so with Marmite and Forsaken having the best mix of numbers, those two should cripple some of the mobility of CODE. 5. No one is going to solve your problems for you. That's why they're called YOUR problems. And no one's interested in turning Eve into a ** theme park WoW-fest spaceship farmsville simulator. Some of the things spouted by some miners here is enough to make even non CODE members go gank you. This message was brought to you by the "Seraph IX Basarab, make CP forums less **** initiative" and the "Baby Seal Preservation Foundation." Funding provided by tears from badposters like you. Hades Effect
Piz Caldera Saubaer Schweinepriester 20	Posted - 2015.01.23 09:58:58 - [2] - Quote Seraph IX Basarab wrote: I pilot that spends most of his time in w-space, lowsec and null I've been mostly ignorant Sir, do you fly with a Code. Permit?
Siegfried Cohenberg Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 22	Posted - 2015.01.23 13:11:11 - [3] - Quote inb4 locked because redundant thread
Kane Ceres Makiriemi Industries 7	Posted - 2015.01.23 16:38:27 - [4] - Quote the problem isnt that they need to go find a group or organize. If miners followed the common sense stuff the code actually do say; Tank your ship, be at your keyboard and attentive and be prepared for **** to hit the fan. Then there would be a lot less ganks and gankable targets. The code can do what they do because of the herd mentality of miners, even if some are smart so they tank their ship, watch dscan and local. there will be 10 other miners in the same system with no tank and not realizing they are dead until 5 min after the gank.
Unsuccessful At Everything The Troll Bridge 19501	Posted - 2015.01.23 17:54:29 - [5] - Quote Seraph IX Basarab wrote: Some of the things spouted by some miners here is enough to make even non CODE members go gank you. Quoted for truth. *Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?* Vote Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10!
Tengu Grib Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE. 876	Posted - 2015.01.23 19:12:02 - [6] - Quote Dear miners and other HS carebears, what the OP has said is true. You should read it and absorb it instead of threatening to kill the family members of the guys who gank you. Sabriz for CSMX! Consider voting Tora as well.
Unsuccessful At Everything The Troll Bridge 19507	Posted - 2015.01.23 19:19:38 - [7] - Quote Tengu Grib wrote: Dear miners and other HS carebears, what the OP has said is true. You should read it and absorb it instead of threatening to kill the family members of the guys who gank you. Um.. wait.. I thought it was CODE. who were the sociopaths here.. Surely people like miners, who constantly make threads that call CODE. sociopaths, wouldn't in fact prove themselves to be the true sociopaths.. would they?!??!?! *Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?* Vote Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10!
Tengu Grib Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE. 876	Posted - 2015.01.23 19:22:11 - [8] - Quote Unsuccessful At Everything wrote: Tengu Grib wrote: Dear miners and other HS carebears, what the OP has said is true. You should read it and absorb it instead of threatening to kill the family members of the guys who gank you. Um.. wait.. I thought it was CODE. who were the sociopaths here.. Surely people like miners, who constantly make threads that call CODE. sociopaths, wouldn't in fact prove themselves to be the true sociopaths.. would they?!??!?! If only it were so. Sabriz for CSMX! Consider voting Tora as well.
Azov Rassau Neo CONCORD 143	Posted - 2015.01.23 19:23:06 - [9] - Quote Seraph IX Basarab wrote: Some of the things spouted by some miners here is enough to make even non CODE members go gank you. yep, I'm not a ganker, but some of those carebear insults were so heavy that I remember ending up bumping those guys out of range when I had time... the results were quite satisfying, and yeah it was fun. when I get back I might even contact some large high sec groups to destroy a few care bear corps who annoy me with their arrogant and greedy attitude. however, I still prefer ganker tears. and I agree with the OP: there is a serious amount of whining threads regularly created in C&P by the gank-victim carebears. While some of them learn a lesson and tank their ships, others come to forums and cry. yet they have everything they need to avoid the ganks... another thing I've noticed: those whining threads are quite similar to each other. even the replies are all similar because people end up replying in the same way. so similar that I have made the following observation with time: a typical whining thread in C&P will usually go like this: 1) the carebear creates the thread with a long wall of text, involving not-so-stealth "Grr CODE", about why CONCORD should be buffed, ganking should be nerfed and all gankers are basement sociopaths who are real life murderers blah blah etc. etc. (a quick killboard check of his character will usually show a very recent mining barge/orca loss to gankers. what a coincidence!) 2) Unsuccessful At Everything's reaction 3) Paranoid Loyd's reaction 4) loyalanon's reaction 5) Cannibal Kane's reaction 6) Jonah Gravenstein's reaction 7) Feyd Rautha Harkonnen's reaction Did I forget somebody? Yeah I think I did.. 8) Veers Belvar's reaction 9) thread locked. <3 C&P No AFKing. Safety First. Use D-Scan, Check Local. Be Alert. www.GankerJamming.com Need your stuff moved? Join channel [HC] Haulers Hub or make a cool private contract to Red Frog Freight!
Unsuccessful At Everything The Troll Bridge 19508	Posted - 2015.01.23 19:47:38 - [10] - Quote Azov Rassau wrote: 2) Unsuccessful At Everything's reaction 3) Paranoid Loyd's reaction 4) loyalanon's reaction 5) Cannibal Kane's reaction 6) Jonah Gravenstein's reaction 7) Feyd Rautha Harkonnen's reaction Did I forget somebody? Yeah I think I did.. 8) Veers Belvar's reaction 9) thread locked. <3 C&P Fixed #9 *Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?* Vote Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10!

Tengu Grib Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE. 876	Posted - 2015.01.23 20:13:40 - [11] - Quote Unsuccessful At Everything wrote: Azov Rassau wrote: 2) Unsuccessful At Everything's reaction 3) Paranoid Loyd's reaction 4) loyalanon's reaction 5) Cannibal Kane's reaction 6) Jonah Gravenstein's reaction 7) Feyd Rautha Harkonnen's reaction Did I forget somebody? Yeah I think I did.. 8) Veers Belvar's reaction 9) thread locked. <3 C&P Fixed #9 Seems pretty accurate. Sabriz for CSMX! Consider voting Tora as well.
Concord Guy's Cousin State War Academy Caldari State 396	Posted - 2015.01.23 21:38:47 - [12] - Quote Azov Rassau wrote: 6) Jonah Gravenstein's reaction That expression just about covers it ISD LackOfFaith ~ "Your Catalyst was a hamster, and your Retriever smelt of elderberries" NPC Forum Alt, because reasons.
Zepher Helen Hawat ULTRAMAR SECURITIES 32	Posted - 2015.01.23 21:41:17 - [13] - Quote Azov Rassau wrote: [quote=Seraph IX Basarab] another thing I've noticed: those whining threads are quite similar to each other. even the replies are all similar because people end up replying in the same way. so similar that I have made the following observation with time: a typical whining thread in C&P will usually go like this: 1) the carebear creates the thread with a long wall of text, involving not-so-stealth "Grr CODE", about why CONCORD should be buffed, ganking should be nerfed and all gankers are basement sociopaths who are real life murderers blah blah etc. etc. (a quick killboard check of his character will usually show a very recent mining barge/orca loss to gankers. what a coincidence!) 2) Unsuccessful At Everything's reaction 3) Paranoid Loyd's reaction 4) loyalanon's reaction 5) Cannibal Kane's reaction 6) Jonah Gravenstein's reaction 7) Feyd Rautha Harkonnen's reaction Did I forget somebody? Yeah I think I did.. 8) Veers Belvar's reaction 9) thread locked. <3 C&P It would only allow me to give you a +1 one for that post. Best laugh I've had in a week. Thank you!
Paranoid Loyd 3617	Posted - 2015.01.23 22:06:05 - [14] - Quote Azov Rassau wrote: 3) Paranoid Loyd's reaction "Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata Fix the Prospect!!!
Cannibal Kane Blood Raiders Elite 4675	Posted - 2015.01.23 22:19:58 - [15] - Quote Hey now.... Did you choose Obama because he is black and I am from Africa? "Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk
Tengu Grib Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE. 878	Posted - 2015.01.23 22:49:55 - [16] - Quote Cannibal Kane wrote: Hey now.... Did you choose Obama because he is black and I am from Africa? I interpreted it as being because of the cold stare that says "I'm coming for you." Sabriz for CSMX! Consider voting Tora as well.
Kaarous Aldurald Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 11412	Posted - 2015.01.23 23:05:14 - [17] - Quote Tengu Grib wrote: Cannibal Kane wrote: Hey now.... Did you choose Obama because he is black and I am from Africa? I interpreted it as being because of the cold stare that says "I'm coming for you." "You can't just ask somebody why they're white!" "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs.
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie Quantum Distributions 1373	Posted - 2015.01.23 23:59:56 - [18] - Quote Best thread in the past month. Thanks Seraph and Azov. New player resources: Uni Wiki - General Info Eve Altruist - PvP Belligerent Undesirables - High Sec Pvp
Damnskippy Hounds of War. Hashashin Cartel 15	Posted - 2015.01.24 02:49:03 - [19] - Quote Azov Rassau wrote: [quote=Seraph IX Basarab] another thing I've noticed: those whining threads are quite similar to each other. even the replies are all similar because people end up replying in the same way. so similar that I have made the following observation with time: a typical whining thread in C&P will usually go like this: 1) the carebear creates the thread with a long wall of text, involving not-so-stealth "Grr CODE", about why CONCORD should be buffed, ganking should be nerfed and all gankers are basement sociopaths who are real life murderers blah blah etc. etc. (a quick killboard check of his character will usually show a very recent mining barge/orca loss to gankers. what a coincidence!) 2) Unsuccessful At Everything's reaction 3) Paranoid Loyd's reaction 4) loyalanon's reaction 5) Cannibal Kane's reaction 6) Jonah Gravenstein's reaction 7) Feyd Rautha Harkonnen's reaction Did I forget somebody? Yeah I think I did.. 8) Veers Belvar's reaction 9) thread locked. <3 C&P I can only like this post once. So, I think I'm going to go donate some catalyst to Code in your honor.
admiral root Red Galaxy 2235	Posted - 2015.01.24 10:42:10 - [20] - Quote Came expecting another whine thread, left pleasantly surprised (and chuckling at Azov's most excellent post). No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff \| No-one hates you, none of us care enough for that. Sabriz for CSM

Mag's the united 18823	Posted - 2015.01.24 13:19:39 - [21] - Quote Great thread. Have a snipe. Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Mike Adoulin Adolescent Radioactive Pirate Hamsters 1113	Posted - 2015.01.24 13:45:49 - [22] - Quote clicks on loyals reaction rofls so hard he passes out Everything in EVE is a trap. And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:) You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg. Chribba is the Chuck Norris of EVE.
Chocolate Mooses The Conference Elite CODE. 0	Posted - 2015.01.25 08:40:20 - [23] - Quote Seraph IX Basarab wrote: You need to find the half dozen other groups that have followed the above steps and pool some isk together and hire mercs. Which ones? Well it's a question of numbers really so with Marmite and Forsaken having the best mix of numbers, those two should cripple some of the mobility of CODE. much good post until this part. hiring "mercs" against the CODE. alliance = giving your ISK away to someone for literally 0 results. look how hard we trashed the noble mermaids led by the brave tomato burrito (space bushido!) in their little war campaign. is that even still going on? and who hires "mercs" to war dec a bunch of -10 sec players anyway? you don't even need a war, just a gun. these miners think the CODE. is running some huge scam by offering mining permits for a whopping 10 million ISK per year, someone get tora to pop into this thread plz and disclose how many hundreds of billions he has taken from angry miners with promises of having some effect against the CODE. alliance, please. you want a scam, miners, there's your big scam right in front of your eyes. word is that he's been doing this for years now. also, your post fails to state the most obvious fact which is that the CODE always wins. always! on the other hand, your post inspired good reaction gifs and made me laugh and told the carebears to HTFU and stop crying for just one more nerf, just one more nerf please oh ccp save us so we can fly untanked hulks while farmvilling like the space god intended also veers has not started ranting here about real life criminals and cybertorture or calling people idiots yet so my final score is overall 7.2285 out of 10 would click again
Mike Adoulin Adolescent Radioactive Pirate Hamsters 1119	Posted - 2015.01.28 12:58:07 - [24] - Quote having just come from another CODE initiation, I thought I would share this ultra-top-secret footage of the event. Many carebears were ganked for this footage........ Everything in EVE is a trap. And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:) You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg. Chribba is the Chuck Norris of EVE.
Solonius Rex F0RCED ENTRY F0RCED ENTRY. 67	Posted - 2015.01.28 16:58:02 - [25] - Quote Chocolate Mooses wrote: Seraph IX Basarab wrote: You need to find the half dozen other groups that have followed the above steps and pool some isk together and hire mercs. Which ones? Well it's a question of numbers really so with Marmite and Forsaken having the best mix of numbers, those two should cripple some of the mobility of CODE. much good post until this part. hiring "mercs" against the CODE. alliance = giving your ISK away to someone for literally 0 results. look how hard we trashed the noble mermaids led by the brave tomato burrito (space bushido!) in their little war campaign. is that even still going on? and who hires "mercs" to war dec a bunch of -10 sec players anyway? you don't even need a war, just a gun. these miners think the CODE. is running some huge scam by offering mining permits for a whopping 10 million ISK per year, someone get tora to pop into this thread plz and disclose how many hundreds of billions he has taken from angry miners with promises of having some effect against the CODE. alliance, please. you want a scam, miners, there's your big scam right in front of your eyes. word is that he's been doing this for years now. also, your post fails to state the most obvious fact which is that the CODE always wins. always! on the other hand, your post inspired good reaction gifs and made me laugh and told the carebears to HTFU and stop crying for just one more nerf, just one more nerf please oh ccp save us so we can fly untanked hulks while farmvilling like the space god intended also veers has not started ranting here about real life criminals and cybertorture or calling people idiots yet so my final score is overall 7.2285 out of 10 would click again lol@ how Dream Five sent Tora 300 million isk only to see them lose 2 billion isk and only deal 500 mill in damage(mostly pods, only 9 destroyers).
Dark Hominy Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 25	Posted - 2015.01.30 17:23:25 - [26] - Quote Chocolate Mooses wrote: Seraph IX Basarab wrote: You need to find the half dozen other groups that have followed the above steps and pool some isk together and hire mercs. Which ones? Well it's a question of numbers really so with Marmite and Forsaken having the best mix of numbers, those two should cripple some of the mobility of CODE. much good post until this part. hiring "mercs" against the CODE. alliance = giving your ISK away to someone for literally 0 results. look how hard we trashed the noble mermaids led by the brave tomato burrito (space bushido!) in their little war campaign. is that even still going on? and who hires "mercs" to war dec a bunch of -10 sec players anyway? you don't even need a war, just a gun. these miners think the CODE. is running some huge scam by offering mining permits for a whopping 10 million ISK per year, someone get tora to pop into this thread plz and disclose how many hundreds of billions he has taken from angry miners with promises of having some effect against the CODE. alliance, please. you want a scam, miners, there's your big scam right in front of your eyes. word is that he's been doing this for years now. also, your post fails to state the most obvious fact which is that the CODE always wins. always! on the other hand, your post inspired good reaction gifs and made me laugh and told the carebears to HTFU and stop crying for just one more nerf, just one more nerf please oh ccp save us so we can fly untanked hulks while farmvilling like the space god intended also veers has not started ranting here about real life criminals and cybertorture or calling people idiots yet so my final score is overall 7.2285 out of 10 would click again Many people would rather spend billions for a good cause than spend pennies to an extortionist. Because spending billions on a good cause is doing something about it, amirite?
admiral root Red Galaxy 2246	Posted - 2015.01.30 21:40:36 - [27] - Quote Solonius Rex wrote: lol@ how Dream Five sent Tora 300 million isk only to see them lose 2 billion isk and only deal 500 mill in damage(mostly pods, only 9 destroyers). Dream Five is a hero of the New Order, in addition to being a previous winner of our Dummy of the Week competition. No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff \| No-one hates you, none of us care enough for that. Sabriz for CSM
Solonius Rex F0RCED ENTRY F0RCED ENTRY. 76	Posted - 2015.01.30 21:51:11 - [28] - Quote admiral root wrote: Solonius Rex wrote: lol@ how Dream Five sent Tora 300 million isk only to see them lose 2 billion isk and only deal 500 mill in damage(mostly pods, only 9 destroyers). Dream Five is a hero of the New Order, in addition to being a previous winner of our Dummy of the Week competition. Let me guess, her "Strategic" move to lose a second freighter an hour after the first, won her that award?
TigerXtrm Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance 1015	Posted - 2015.01.31 03:50:08 - [29] - Quote Quote: Stop flying T2 mining vessels. You're in highsec ffs. There is literally no reason for you to fly a 200 mil mining vessel. Are you for real? Tell me you're not for real? My YouTube Channel - EVE Tutorials & other game related things! My Website - Blogs, Livestreams & Forums
Hiasa Kite Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 145	Posted - 2015.01.31 12:44:09 - [30] - Quote TigerXtrm wrote: Quote: Stop flying T2 mining vessels. You're in highsec ffs. There is literally no reason for you to fly a 200 mil mining vessel. Are you for real? Tell me you're not for real? It's a legit survival technique. It's called cheap-tanking. Not sure I'd say there's no reason to fly T2, though. If I were to mine, I'd be tempted to settle for T1 while just AFK mining. If I get blow'd up, so what? It's only a 30mil ISK loss. People to vote for CSM X(in order): Sabriz Adoudel, Steve Ronuken, Manfred Sideous, Mike Azariah, Gorski Car

admiral root Red Galaxy 2249	Posted - 2015.01.31 20:11:35 - [31] - Quote Solonius Rex wrote: admiral root wrote: Solonius Rex wrote: lol@ how Dream Five sent Tora 300 million isk only to see them lose 2 billion isk and only deal 500 mill in damage(mostly pods, only 9 destroyers). Dream Five is a hero of the New Order, in addition to being a previous winner of our Dummy of the Week competition. Let me guess, her "Strategic" move to lose a second freighter an hour after the first, won her that award? Actually, it was his profound and most learned writings on this noble forum. No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff \| No-one hates you, none of us care enough for that. Sabriz for CSM
Vector Symian 0 Fear 198	Posted - 2015.02.01 04:37:13 - [32] - Quote So you are giving tears about getting tears and so you wish to cause ganker tears so the miner tears stop an so people like you who have no idea don't tear about tears with tears dude I think your drowning P.S- A.G have tried that and it didn't work your not the first nulli to try and you wont be that last Nullies will never understand Imperials o7
CODE Agent AC The Conference Elite CODE. 925	Posted - 2015.02.01 05:04:20 - [33] - Quote Unsuccessful At Everything wrote: Azov Rassau wrote: 2) Unsuccessful At Everything's reaction 3) Paranoid Loyd's reaction 4) loyalanon's reaction 5) Cannibal Kane's reaction 6) Jonah Gravenstein's reaction 7) Feyd Rautha Harkonnen's reaction Did I forget somebody? Yeah I think I did.. 8) Veers Belvar's reaction 9) AC's Venture Killing Contest Redux! 10) thread locked. Rule: Redundant! <3 C&P Fixed #9 Refixt! The Artist Formerly Known As AC. The terminal end of the digestive system. The Best CSM Candidate
Anal Canal The Conference Elite CODE. 928	Posted - 2015.02.01 05:04:20 - [34] - Quote Unsuccessful At Everything wrote: Azov Rassau wrote: 2) Unsuccessful At Everything's reaction 3) Paranoid Loyd's reaction 4) loyalanon's reaction 5) Cannibal Kane's reaction 6) Jonah Gravenstein's reaction 7) Feyd Rautha Harkonnen's reaction Did I forget somebody? Yeah I think I did.. 8) Veers Belvar's reaction 9) AC's Venture Killing Contest Redux! 10) thread locked. Rule: Redundant! <3 C&P Fixed #9 Refixt! The Artist Formerly Known As AC. The terminal end of the digestive system. The Best CSM Candidate
Vector Symian 0 Fear 200	Posted - 2015.02.01 05:17:14 - [35] - Quote CODE Agent AC wrote: Unsuccessful At Everything wrote: Azov Rassau wrote: 2) Unsuccessful At Everything's reaction 3) Paranoid Loyd's reaction 4) loyalanon's reaction 5) Cannibal Kane's reaction 6) Jonah Gravenstein's reaction 7) Feyd Rautha Harkonnen's reaction Did I forget somebody? Yeah I think I did.. 8) Veers Belvar's reaction 9) AC's Venture Killing Contest Redux! 10) thread locked. Rule: Redundant! <3 C&P Fixed #9 Refixt! Your Veers reaction had me in tears...thankyou o7
Veers Belvar Swordmasters of New Eden 454	Posted - 2015.02.01 15:29:27 - [36] - Quote lame
Lorelei Ierendi Lorelei for CSM 113	Posted - 2015.02.01 17:06:25 - [37] - Quote The OP should be required reading for new players that want to start mining. Tengu Grib wrote: Dear miners and other HS carebears, what the OP has said is true. You should read it and absorb it instead of threatening to kill the family members of the guys who gank you. And I would like to refer the miners and other HS carebears to my CSM thread. Now you don't have to vote for me... but just sitting around and whining in the forums is not going to get anything done! If you want to get something done, you have to mobilise, organise, and do something. Noone is going to do it for you! Hello, world! Lorelei for CSM! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=386664
admiral root Red Galaxy 2263	Posted - 2015.02.01 20:20:36 - [38] - Quote Why would anyone want to defeat us when they could join us, instead? No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff \| No-one hates you, none of us care enough for that. Sabriz for CSM
Futt Isimazu State War Academy Caldari State 11	Posted - 2015.02.02 09:30:56 - [39] - Quote admiral root wrote: Why would anyone want to defeat us when they could join us, instead? bcuz ur ebil and killed my barge :(((((((
Drez Arthie Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 8	Posted - 2015.02.02 13:23:10 - [40] - Quote I'm a carebear who's been in a lot of carebear corps, and never been ganked while mining nor even known of any corpmate ganked while mining. Are we doing something wrong? We tend to mine in groups and never AFK, maybe that's it. And no I never heard of anyone buying a CODE permit.

William Viper Viper Defense Systems 0	Posted - 2015.02.02 14:06:21 - [41] - Quote HighSec miners are not the main victims of CODE or whatever kind of HighSec gankers. What about new players? Players who recently joined EVE? Doing some missions, gathering some ore in the belts? How many of those already quit playing EVE because they got shot by "pirates" while moving to Jita in their first industrial? What EVE Online needs are new players. Players who stay with us (!) in New Eden. Players who spend their money for PLEX and populate our universe. How can we achieve this? 1st proposal: no offensive action against other players in HighSec should be possible. No shooting at them, no targeting, no jamming, no whatever. 2nd proposal: buff CONCORDE. They should be everywhere in HighSec and destroy every capsuleer who targets an other player. You think that's too extreme? Think about the decrease in the number of players who quit playing EVE within their first week because they got ganked in HighSec.
Tora Bushido EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective 1901	Posted - 2015.02.02 14:12:20 - [42] - Quote Chocolate Mooses wrote: much good post until this part. hiring "mercs" against the CODE. alliance = giving your ISK away to someone for literally 0 results. look how hard we trashed the noble mermaids led by the brave tomato burrito (space bushido!) in their little war campaign. is that even still going on? Still in denial you are being owned I see So before you bla bla, you might want to kill more then 2 ships. TORA FOR CSM X - A NEW HIGH-SEC YOU EITHER LOVE US OR WE HATE YOU - ADAPT OR DIE - DELETE THE WEAK
Black Pedro Yammerschooner 568	Posted - 2015.02.02 14:22:02 - [43] - Quote William Viper wrote: HighSec miners are not the main victims of CODE or whatever kind of HighSec gankers. What about new players? Players who recently joined EVE? Doing some missions, gathering some ore in the belts? How many of those already quit playing EVE because they got shot by "pirates" while moving to Jita in their first industrial? What EVE Online needs are new players. Players who stay with us (!) in New Eden. Players who spend their money for PLEX and populate our universe. How can we achieve this? 1st proposal: no offensive action against other players in HighSec should be possible. No shooting at them, no targeting, no jamming, no whatever. 2nd proposal: buff CONCORDE. They should be everywhere in HighSec and destroy every capsuleer who targets an other player. You think that's too extreme? Think about the decrease in the number of players who quit playing EVE within their first week because they got ganked in HighSec. Perhaps you should make this proposal in the Features and Ideas subforum where it can be properly addressed. I was going to pull out the standard response about what kind of game this is, the CCP Falcon oratory and the like, but I think I will just say that if you think this is possible without breaking much of the sandbox that makes Eve so unique in the MMO game space, you are sadly mistaken. And what is the point of mollycoddling new players to the reality of what type of game this is? At some point they will have to get use to their ship exploding - this is a competitive PvP sandbox after all. Eventually they will do something, lose a ship and then quit. If anything, we should take the opposite approach and not let players leave the starting tutorials until they have lost a dozen ships to other new players in PvP, some of them unexpectedly while they are doing something else. That is much more likely to get players used to loss, and soften the blow when they unexpectedly lose that first ship to another player. Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10 is a good idea.
Lucas Kell Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance 5012	Posted - 2015.02.02 14:26:06 - [44] - Quote William Viper wrote: HighSec miners are not the main victims of CODE or whatever kind of HighSec gankers. What about new players? Players who recently joined EVE? Doing some missions, gathering some ore in the belts? How many of those already quit playing EVE because they got shot by "pirates" while moving to Jita in their first industrial? What EVE Online needs are new players. Players who stay with us (!) in New Eden. Players who spend their money for PLEX and populate our universe. How can we achieve this? 1st proposal: no offensive action against other players in HighSec should be possible. No shooting at them, no targeting, no jamming, no whatever. 2nd proposal: buff CONCORDE. They should be everywhere in HighSec and destroy every capsuleer who targets an other player. You think that's too extreme? Think about the decrease in the number of players who quit playing EVE within their first week because they got ganked in HighSec. That is too extreme. While yes, I'm sure there's some players that quit because of being ganked, there are also many players who quit due to boredom. Removing ganking entirely would just shift people from quitting because they got ganked to quitting because they got bored. Ganking needs to stay. There's certainly balance issue that needs to be worked out however as it's too easy to gank a player and too difficult to reactively deal with a gank attempt. More tools should be given to allow people to fight back against a gank attempt rather than automatic mechanic buffs like concord response time decreases. The only change I'd make to concord is one Black Pedro suggested a while back which is varied response times, so concord might arrive in 10 secs, they might arrive in 50. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. Chrysus Industries - Savings made simple!
Drez Arthie Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 8	Posted - 2015.02.02 17:02:55 - [45] - Quote William Viper wrote: What about new players? Players who recently joined EVE? Doing some missions, gathering some ore in the belts? How many of those already quit playing EVE because they got shot by "pirates" while moving to Jita in their first industrial? No, don't change the game, change the new players' expectations. How about tutorial missions where the new player gets ganked by an initially non-hostile NPC in their starter ship, then the agent gives them a new one, for example? If they get ganked while mining or moving cargo, they will at least not have a "WTF!?!?" reaction, and think it's some sort of unsanctioned exploit.
Tora Bushido EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective 1901	Posted - 2015.02.02 17:40:00 - [46] - Quote Operation Shhh.. Code has began. Just imagine Code having no one to cry too, because everyone has them muted by default. TORA FOR CSM X - A NEW HIGH-SEC YOU EITHER LOVE US OR WE HATE YOU - ADAPT OR DIE - DELETE THE WEAK
Shnjago Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE. 2	Posted - 2015.02.02 17:43:45 - [47] - Quote Tora Bushido wrote: Chocolate Mooses wrote: much good post until this part. hiring "mercs" against the CODE. alliance = giving your ISK away to someone for literally 0 results. look how hard we trashed the noble mermaids led by the brave tomato burrito (space bushido!) in their little war campaign. is that even still going on? Still in denial you are being owned I see So before you bla bla, you might want to kill more then 2 ships. Actually CODE shows steady increase in performance ever since it was permadecced by Marmites: https://zkillboard.com/alliance/99002775/stats/ November: 789.9bil December: 1.03t January: 1.10t (first two days of february, pretty good start I'd say): 96.02bil I think there's a clear difference between mercenaries enjoying being on CONCORD kms and them actually protecting their clients (either by denying kills or by eliminating offending entity). So far, it seems there's an obvious bias toward first option, with Marmites less caring about the effect of their action, striving to be in as many CONCORD kms as possible. I observed this strange obsession with CONCORD KMs in anti-ganking channel, but am very surprised to see respected mercenaries falling for the same fallacy.
Kaelynne Rose WTB Somalians 16	Posted - 2015.02.02 17:48:18 - [48] - Quote Lol "respected"??? Camping hubs/gates/running when shot at? AG bears are same level of respect. That Jen chick is example of successful AG. Lol @ respect for marmates that have industry alts This whole thing started cuz Tora was carebearing on his frieghter alt and got his compressed ore ganked
Tora Bushido EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective 1901	Posted - 2015.02.02 17:52:16 - [49] - Quote And remember, you can also hide all post made by Codies. Ops Success. Its so refreshing not having to read all the bull. \\// TORA FOR CSM X - A NEW HIGH-SEC YOU EITHER LOVE US OR WE HATE YOU - ADAPT OR DIE - DELETE THE WEAK
Shnjago Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE. 2	Posted - 2015.02.02 17:56:37 - [50] - Quote Tora Bushido wrote: And remember, you can also hide all post made by Codies. Ops Success. Its so refreshing not having to read all the bull. \\// That's really unbelievable. What happened between loyalanon and Tora for latter to start behaving in this way? CODE always provided hottest Eve content, and will keep doing that in foreseeable future: there's just too many non-compliant players in Eve, ready to share their feelings on CODE's exquisite combat style. The futility of "permadeccing" CODE can only be compared to futility of kindergarten-style "let's pretend we don't see Bobby" strategy. Just unbelievable.

Elizabet Forgrave Perkone Caldari State 7	Posted - 2015.02.02 18:08:37 - [51] - Quote Shnjago wrote: Actually CODE shows steady increase in performance ever since it was permadecced by Marmites: https://zkillboard.com/alliance/99002775/stats/ November: 789.9bil December: 1.03t January: 1.10t (first two days of february, pretty good start I'd say): 96.02bil I think there's a clear difference between mercenaries enjoying being on CONCORD kms and them actually protecting their clients (either by denying kills or by eliminating offending entity). So far, it seems there's an obvious bias toward first option, with Marmites less caring about the effect of their action, striving to be in as many CONCORD kms as possible. I observed this strange obsession with CONCORD KMs in anti-ganking channel, but am very surprised to see respected mercenaries falling for the same fallacy. I'm working on bringing those numbers down through super secret magic tricks! Mwahahahahaha!
Kaelynne Rose WTB Somalians 16	Posted - 2015.02.02 18:51:00 - [52] - Quote Shnjago wrote: Tora Bushido wrote: And remember, you can also hide all post made by Codies. Ops Success. Its so refreshing not having to read all the bull. \\// That's really unbelievable. What happened between loyalanon and Tora for latter to start behaving in this way? CODE always provided hottest Eve content, and will keep doing that in foreseeable future: there's just too many non-compliant players in Eve, ready to share their feelings on CODE's exquisite combat style. The futility of "permadeccing" CODE can only be compared to futility of kindergarten-style "let's pretend we don't see Bobby" strategy. Just unbelievable. Tora 4 CSMX! The man that never runs/hides from issues or problems... Wait... wut? Lmao dude. Na na nnnaaa na naa i cant hear you! L Ru joking dude?
Tora Bushido EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective 1902	Posted - 2015.02.02 20:11:58 - [53] - Quote Kaelynne Rose wrote: Lmao dude. Na na nnnaaa na naa i cant hear you! Ru joking dude? Nananananaaaa... cant hear ya TORA FOR CSM X - A NEW HIGH-SEC YOU EITHER LOVE US OR WE HATE YOU - ADAPT OR DIE - DELETE THE WEAK
MPaladin Omega Dawn Corp 9	Posted - 2015.02.02 23:02:32 - [54] - Quote William Viper wrote: HighSec miners are not the main victims of CODE or whatever kind of HighSec gankers. What about new players? Players who recently joined EVE? Doing some missions, gathering some ore in the belts? How many of those already quit playing EVE because they got shot by "pirates" while moving to Jita in their first industrial? What EVE Online needs are new players. Players who stay with us (!) in New Eden. Players who spend their money for PLEX and populate our universe. How can we achieve this? 1st proposal: no offensive action against other players in HighSec should be possible. No shooting at them, no targeting, no jamming, no whatever. 2nd proposal: buff CONCORDE. They should be everywhere in HighSec and destroy every capsuleer who targets an other player. You think that's too extreme? Think about the decrease in the number of players who quit playing EVE within their first week because they got ganked in HighSec. I hope you have a Fire Retardant flight suit, because I predict the flames are going to be pretty hot.
Kthome Mares State War Academy Caldari State 3	Posted - 2015.02.03 04:14:37 - [55] - Quote Tora Bushido wrote: Operation Shhh.. Code has began. Just imagine Code having no one to cry too, because everyone has them muted by default. i actually laughed because this is all you can do considering you stay docked when code are in system. hows the war with break a wish going?
William Viper Viper Defense Systems 0	Posted - 2015.02.03 06:52:25 - [56] - Quote Black Pedro wrote: Perhaps you should make this proposal in the Features and Ideas subforum where it can be properly addressed. ... Thank you, Sir, for your advice! I'm new here in the forums (and basically to EVE after taking a break for a few years). Have a good one! o7
Ima Wreckyou The Conference Elite CODE. 776	Posted - 2015.02.03 07:49:13 - [57] - Quote Tora Bushido wrote: Operation Shhh.. Code has began. Just imagine Code having no one to cry too, because everyone has them muted by default. What a brilliant new war strategy. You are almost on par with the highsec miners and wannabe rebels now. Good job. Also calm down miner and make sure you have a valid permit in your bio. the Code ALWAYS wins
Tora Bushido EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective 1902	Posted - 2015.02.03 12:20:33 - [58] - Quote Seems C&P almost died without the Code tears. TORA FOR CSM X - A NEW HIGH-SEC YOU EITHER LOVE US OR WE HATE YOU - ADAPT OR DIE - DELETE THE WEAK
Miko Jin University of Caille Gallente Federation 305	Posted - 2015.02.03 13:30:55 - [59] - Quote Tora Bushido wrote: Seems C&P almost died without the Code tears. Reading through this thread I have to say I do not see any code tears, I do see somebody who IMHO has lost the plot and is trying to do damage limitation in a very naive way. Ego's are one thing but just replying with no substance makes you look rather silly.
Solonius Rex F0RCED ENTRY F0RCED ENTRY. 104	Posted - 2015.02.03 13:42:08 - [60] - Quote William Viper wrote: HighSec miners are not the main victims of CODE or whatever kind of HighSec gankers. What about new players? Players who recently joined EVE? Doing some missions, gathering some ore in the belts? How many of those already quit playing EVE because they got shot by "pirates" while moving to Jita in their first industrial? What EVE Online needs are new players. Players who stay with us (!) in New Eden. Players who spend their money for PLEX and populate our universe. How can we achieve this? 1st proposal: no offensive action against other players in HighSec should be possible. No shooting at them, no targeting, no jamming, no whatever. 2nd proposal: buff CONCORDE. They should be everywhere in HighSec and destroy every capsuleer who targets an other player. You think that's too extreme? Think about the decrease in the number of players who quit playing EVE within their first week because they got ganked in HighSec. Why stop there? What if a new player accidentally wanders into lowsec? What if he accepts a hisec mission into lowsec? What if he goes afk during missions? These could all lead to a dead ship, and a new player who leaves eve. Therefore, i think the only proposal should be, new players have immortal ships that can never die. Any player that is less than 5 months old, have ships that reach 1 structure, but no less. And of course, new players are also off limits for everything else that might make them want to leave. If a new player joins a player owned corp, that corp cannot be wardecced for 5 months. If a new player falls for a scam, CCP reimburses that player and bans the scammer. I mean, who cares if its completely game-breaking. Who cares if it completely changes what Eve is all about. All that matters is new player retention. We want a game that mirrors Star Trek Online. Completely safe. No risk.

Lucas Kell Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance 5018	Posted - 2015.02.03 17:14:07 - [61] - Quote Solonius Rex wrote: Why stop there? What if a new player accidentally wanders into lowsec? What if he accepts a hisec mission into lowsec? What if he goes afk during missions? These could all lead to a dead ship, and a new player who leaves eve. Therefore, i think the only proposal should be, new players have immortal ships that can never die. Any player that is less than 5 months old, have ships that reach 1 structure, but no less. And of course, new players are also off limits for everything else that might make them want to leave. If a new player joins a player owned corp, that corp cannot be wardecced for 5 months. If a new player falls for a scam, CCP reimburses that player and bans the scammer. I mean, who cares if its completely game-breaking. Who cares if it completely changes what Eve is all about. All that matters is new player retention. We want a game that mirrors Star Trek Online. Completely safe. No risk. While his ideas were pretty extreme, your response is also pretty terrible. Saying "Look at how ludicrous all of these other, more ludicrous ideas are" isn't actually countering the point's he's making. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. Chrysus Industries - Savings made simple!
Ria Nieyli Alexylva Paradox Low-Class 31234	Posted - 2015.02.03 17:18:31 - [62] - Quote Ok, so you posted this thread in C&P. Everyone that reads this subforum already knows how to avoid getting suicide ganked and/or is a member of codedot. OP success?
u3pog Ministerstvo na otbranata 2	Posted - 2015.02.03 19:49:23 - [63] - Quote William Viper wrote: HighSec miners are not the main victims of CODE or whatever kind of HighSec gankers. What about new players? Players who recently joined EVE? Doing some missions, gathering some ore in the belts? How many of those already quit playing EVE because they got shot by "pirates" while moving to Jita in their first industrial? What EVE Online needs are new players. Players who stay with us (!) in New Eden. Players who spend their money for PLEX and populate our universe. How can we achieve this? 1st proposal: no offensive action against other players in HighSec should be possible. No shooting at them, no targeting, no jamming, no whatever. 2nd proposal: buff CONCORDE. They should be everywhere in HighSec and destroy every capsuleer who targets an other player. You think that's too extreme? Think about the decrease in the number of players who quit playing EVE within their first week because they got ganked in HighSec. People who quit EVE in the first sight of danger shouldn't really be here. I got ganked, robbed, lied (paid to be released by pirates, what a mistake) numerous times when I was a new player. Did I quit? No! I learned. There was a time when I mined too and got ganked a few times --> switched to Procurer --> problem solved. Let 'em try killing 30k + ehp and even if they do, the ship can't get any cheaper. Problem solved. That's for solo miners ofc, if you are in groups there are many other options.
Solonius Rex F0RCED ENTRY F0RCED ENTRY. 105	Posted - 2015.02.03 20:40:31 - [64] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: While his ideas were pretty extreme, your response is also pretty terrible. Saying "Look at how ludicrous all of these other, more ludicrous ideas are" isn't actually countering the point's he's making. Not really, since my objection is pretty clearly stated. If all you care about is new player retention, theres no reason to stop at simply outlawing nonconsensual PVP in hisec. After all, i have no doubts that there are new players who were can flipped, baited, scammed, and entered hisec and died, only to quit eve in rage. What hes basically saying, is that his ideas arent extreme, because new player retention is the most important thing right now. But thats not what eves about. The central concept of Eve is that the universe is a harsh place. Unforgiving. Only those that rise to the challenge, get to explore all of its wonders and horrors. All of his ideas utterly ignore and demolish these concepts.
Veers Belvar Swordmasters of New Eden 456	Posted - 2015.02.04 03:38:04 - [65] - Quote u3pog wrote: People who quit EVE in the first sight of danger shouldn't really be here. I got ganked, robbed, lied (paid to be released by pirates, what a mistake) numerous times when I was a new player. Did I quit? No! I learned. There was a time when I mined too and got ganked a few times --> switched to Procurer --> problem solved. Let 'em try killing 30k + ehp and even if they do, the ship can't get any cheaper. Problem solved. That's for solo miners ofc, if you are in groups there are many other options. Nice of you to decide who should and shouldn't be part of the game. I have never really been ganked or scammed in this game...it's very possible to lead a collaborative and fun highsec life without PvP combat. No one needs your permission to play as they choose to.
Shailagh Ministry of War Amarr Empire 68	Posted - 2015.02.04 04:12:09 - [66] - Quote I would pay CCP an extra $20 a month to permaban Veers. P-sure a lot of people would contribute to this worthy cause as well ccp. Ccp you want lots of cash right? Screw this new player retention you got recently and just collect 20$ from tons (literaly) of people a month to kick this idiot out. Also any who says, U Cant do that! CCP.l cant do that! Or whateva else.... Yes they can and yes they would do almost anything for lots more cash right now. Ccp this is your jackpot!!
Veers Belvar Swordmasters of New Eden 456	Posted - 2015.02.04 04:13:53 - [67] - Quote Shailagh wrote: I would pay CCP an extra $20 a month to permaban Veers. P-sure a lot of people would contribute to this worthy cause as well ccp. Ccp you want lots of cash right? Screw this new player retention you got recently and just collect 20$ from tons (literaly) of people a month to kick this idiot out. Also any who says, U Cant do that! CCP.l cant do that! Or whateva else.... Yes they can and yes they would do almost anything for lots more cash right now. Ccp this is your jackpot!! Well, that was a useful and constructive post...apparently the new solution to combating people you disagree with on the forums is to try to bribe the game developers to ban them from the game. Sounds like high class elite PvP to me....
Kaelynne Rose WTB Somalians 19	Posted - 2015.02.04 04:20:37 - [68] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: Shailagh wrote: I would pay CCP an extra $20 a month to permaban Veers. P-sure a lot of people would contribute to this worthy cause as well ccp. Ccp you want lots of cash right? Screw this new player retention you got recently and just collect 20$ from tons (literaly) of people a month to kick this idiot out. Also any who says, U Cant do that! CCP.l cant do that! Or whateva else.... Yes they can and yes they would do almost anything for lots more cash right now. Ccp this is your jackpot!! Well, that was a useful and constructive post...apparently the new solution to combating people you disagree with on the forums is to try to bribe the game developers to ban them from the game. Sounds like high class elite PvP to me.... I know. Csmx canadandate Tora Bullshido just blocks people and sticks his fingers in his ears. He is elitle pvp, i am below that
Lucas Kell Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance 5018	Posted - 2015.02.04 11:04:38 - [69] - Quote u3pog wrote: People who quit EVE in the first sight of danger shouldn't really be here. I got ganked, robbed, lied (paid to be released by pirates, what a mistake) numerous times when I was a new player. Did I quit? No! I learned. There was a time when I mined too and got ganked a few times --> switched to Procurer --> problem solved. Let 'em try killing 30k + ehp and even if they do, the ship can't get any cheaper. Problem solved. That's for solo miners ofc, if you are in groups there are many other options. That's all well and good, but if CCP just ignore the fact that their player retention is incredibly dire, there won't be a game left for you to not quit. And to be fair, the game is a lot harsher now than it used to be, purely because the players looking to pirate you in highsec are so much more organised, and have a focus of purposely trolling players. Solonius Rex wrote: Not really, since my objection is pretty clearly stated. If all you care about is new player retention, theres no reason to stop at simply outlawing nonconsensual PVP in hisec. After all, i have no doubts that there are new players who were can flipped, baited, scammed, and entered lowsec and died, only to quit eve in rage. What hes basically saying, is that his ideas arent extreme, because new player retention is the most important thing right now. But what you are saying is far more ridiculous, making his idea look less ridiculous in contrast. Is that what you were aiming for? Solonius Rex wrote: But thats not what eves about. The central concept of Eve is that the universe is a harsh place. Unforgiving. Only those that rise to the challenge, get to explore all of its wonders and horrors. All of his ideas utterly ignore and demolish these concepts. Nope. EVE is a sandbox, where one part of it is the ability to blow up other players against their will. There's considerably more to EVE than just that, and the idea that EVE is harsh is laughable considering how easy it is to not be affected by anything other people do. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. Chrysus Industries - Savings made simple!
u3pog Ministerstvo na otbranata 2	Posted - 2015.02.04 22:05:04 - [70] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: u3pog wrote: People who quit EVE in the first sight of danger shouldn't really be here. I got ganked, robbed, lied (paid to be released by pirates, what a mistake) numerous times when I was a new player. Did I quit? No! I learned. There was a time when I mined too and got ganked a few times --> switched to Procurer --> problem solved. Let 'em try killing 30k + ehp and even if they do, the ship can't get any cheaper. Problem solved. That's for solo miners ofc, if you are in groups there are many other options. Nice of you to decide who should and shouldn't be part of the game. I have never really been ganked or scammed in this game...it's very possible to lead a collaborative and fun highsec life without PvP combat. No one needs your permission to play as they choose to. That's not what I meant. I don't decide anything, it's just my opinion. I see people overreacting (check the pirate story thread in crime & punishment) and even threaten the players to kill them in real life or things like that, which is a bannable offence by the way. These people will get themselves a heart attack if they really are so angry about losing a ship in a game lol...I am just saying maybe, just maybe they picked the wrong game to play. Don't get me wrong I am all in for more players to come. In fact I hope I'll die first to EVE Oh, god, let it be a looong life

Vic Jefferson GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 125	Posted - 2015.02.04 23:26:51 - [71] - Quote There is a 100% way to never be ganked in Hi Sec. Leave High Sec. If everyone left Hi Sec, they would have nothing to do, and you'd have won the war. Vote Vic Jefferson for CSM X
John E Normus New Order Logistics CODE. 489	Posted - 2015.02.05 00:35:29 - [72] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: Shailagh wrote: I would pay CCP an extra $20 a month to permaban Veers. P-sure a lot of people would contribute to this worthy cause as well ccp. Ccp you want lots of cash right? Screw this new player retention you got recently and just collect 20$ from tons (literaly) of people a month to kick this idiot out. Also any who says, U Cant do that! CCP.l cant do that! Or whateva else.... Yes they can and yes they would do almost anything for lots more cash right now. Ccp this is your jackpot!! Well, that was a useful and constructive post...apparently the new solution to combating people you disagree with on the forums is to try to bribe the game developers to ban them from the game. Sounds like high class elite PvP to me.... Dear C & P, Veers is one of CODE alliance's most valuable assets. Any attack on Veers will be considered an attack on James 315. Thank you Management Between Ignorance and Wisdom
Veers Belvar Swordmasters of New Eden 460	Posted - 2015.02.05 02:56:45 - [73] - Quote John E Normus wrote: Veers Belvar wrote: Shailagh wrote: I would pay CCP an extra $20 a month to permaban Veers. P-sure a lot of people would contribute to this worthy cause as well ccp. Ccp you want lots of cash right? Screw this new player retention you got recently and just collect 20$ from tons (literaly) of people a month to kick this idiot out. Also any who says, U Cant do that! CCP.l cant do that! Or whateva else.... Yes they can and yes they would do almost anything for lots more cash right now. Ccp this is your jackpot!! Well, that was a useful and constructive post...apparently the new solution to combating people you disagree with on the forums is to try to bribe the game developers to ban them from the game. Sounds like high class elite PvP to me.... Dear C & P, Veers is one of CODE alliance's most valuable assets. Any attack on Veers will be considered an attack on James 315. Thank you Management Continuing the CODE tripe as usual...they have never been more upset or frustrated by anyone in the game as they are with me.....Loyalanon is reduced to sputtering rage, and James 315 is afraid to even log in.
Hiasa Kite Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 175	Posted - 2015.02.05 10:17:20 - [74] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: Continuing the CODE tripe as usual...they have never been more upset or frustrated by anyone in the game as they are with me.....Loyalanon is reduced to sputtering rage, and James 315 is afraid to even log in. Veers is one of the most beloved CODE. covert recruitment agents. All of his posts are good for a laugh. People to vote for CSM X(in order): Sabriz Adoudel, Cagali Cagali, Steve Ronuken, Manfred Sideous, Mike Azariah, Gorski Car
Solonius Rex F0RCED ENTRY F0RCED ENTRY. 110	Posted - 2015.02.05 17:19:08 - [75] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: But what you are saying is far more ridiculous, making his idea look less ridiculous in contrast. Is that what you were aiming for? How is it any more, or less ridiculous, than proposing to remove all non-consensual aggression from hisec, something that would directly affect all new and veteran players, and claiming that this isnt an extreme idea at all? Quote: Nope. EVE is a sandbox, where one part of it is the ability to blow up other players against their will. There's considerably more to EVE than just that Never said that the harsh universe is the only conept of eve, or even the only central concept of eve. You know you can more than one, right? [/quote]and the idea that EVE is harsh is laughable considering how easy it is to not be affected by anything other people do.[/quote] Yeah, right, i forgot about how easy Eve is, for people. Thats why we never have threads ranting about how people got ganked by Code and want to remove/ban/nerf something. Thats why Minerbumping has 0 blogposts because no one gets ganked, and no one cries or whines about it. Thats why CCP never had to do an official statement about their stance on Bumping, because no one filed petitions and whined about how this was harrassment or an exploit. Yup, Eve is a nice, easy place full of unicorns and rainbows. But then again, i suppose its easy not to be affected by anything other people do, if all you do is stay docked up.
Argus Skullcrush Choking Vines 0	Posted - 2015.02.05 21:42:02 - [76] - Quote I have to agree on the topic of tanking, seriously the health of most mining ships is good , but a little armor instead of expanded cargo holds might make mining a lot safer. Or at the very least keep one alive long enough for concord rage to arrive.
poster Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2015.02.06 05:07:45 - [77] - Quote You know, I find it funny. Both groups say hey leave high sec and there isn't a problem anymore. Yet I notice groups who say this 1. never leave high sec, or spend more time in high sec then they would in low and null. 2. Why would anyone wanna go to low and null, when they can get just as much content whenever they want in high. I can't be the only one who notices the contradiction can I ?
Lucas Kell Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance 5028	Posted - 2015.02.06 08:26:43 - [78] - Quote Solonius Rex wrote: How is it any more, or less ridiculous, than proposing to remove all non-consensual aggression from hisec, something that would directly affect all new and veteran players, and claiming that this isnt an extreme idea at all? Let's see. He suggests removing highsec aggression, you suggest removing any method a character younger than 5 months in age can be killed, player driven or not, as well as any an all scams or any other negative forms of behaviour against the same category of player. An you can't see why that's considerably more ridiculous? Solonius Rex wrote: Never said that the harsh universe is the only conept of eve, or even the only central concept of eve. You know you can more than one, right? I'm aware there can be, but you said "The central concept of Eve is that the universe is a harsh place" which implies that there's just one and that's it. Had you said "One of the central conepts of Eve is that the universe is a harsh place" then that would not have been the case. Solonius Rex wrote: Yeah, right, i forgot about how easy Eve is, for people. Thats why we never have threads ranting about how people got ganked by Code and want to remove/ban/nerf something. Thats why Minerbumping has 0 blogposts because no one gets ganked, and no one cries or whines about it. Thats why CCP never had to do an official statement about their stance on Bumping, because no one filed petitions and whined about how this was harrassment or an exploit. Yup, Eve is a nice, easy place full of unicorns and rainbows. But then again, i suppose its easy not to be affected by anything other people do, if all you do is stay docked up. People will always complain about things they feel are unfair to them. That doesn't make the game harsh. Hell, have you not seen WoW players complaining about WoW? The fact is that everything in EVE boils down to isk, and isk can be earned in massive volumes passively or simply bought for cash if you fancy buying some plex. I've never in my entire time of playing EVE ever got to the point where I've lost something I couldn't immediately replace, and I've lost some pretty expensive stuff. Compare that to when I played Neocron back when it was actually harsh, where 1 false step meant you dropped your 4 slot CS which you might never see again, and EVE is a walk in the park. The idea that EVE is harsh is a marketing tactic, that's all. The game mechanics don't really match that. If it was harsh, you wouldn't be able to roll out an AFKtar and earn billions, you wouldn't be able to blitz L4s and you certainly wouldn't be able to hide behind alts when ganking freighters in dirt cheap ships. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. Chrysus Industries - Savings made simple!
Tora Bushido EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective 1909	Posted - 2015.02.06 08:31:38 - [79] - Quote Kaelynne Rose wrote: He is elitle pvp, i am below that Thank you. Dont forget to Vote for me TORA FOR CSM X - A NEW HIGH-SEC YOU EITHER LOVE US OR WE HATE YOU - ADAPT OR DIE - DELETE THE WEAK
Lucas Kell Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance 5028	Posted - 2015.02.06 08:36:39 - [80] - Quote Tora Bushido wrote: Kaelynne Rose wrote: He is elitle pvp, i am below that Thank you. Dont forget to Vote for me Why would anyone vote for a CSM who refuses to answer simple questions, instead ignoring the posters and reporting questions he doesn't want to answer as "trolling". Having you on the CSM would be a disgrace. Go back to the Jita undock. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. Chrysus Industries - Savings made simple!

Tora Bushido EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective 1909	Posted - 2015.02.06 10:39:54 - [81] - Quote Vic Jefferson wrote: There is a 100% way to never be ganked in Hi Sec. Leave High Sec. If everyone left Hi Sec, they would have nothing to do, and you'd have won the war. That doesn't make sense. Are you saying that when someone is shooting bullets at your house, you should move to a different city ? It's like me saying to you "You think jump fatigue is a problem ?" , they move to high-sec. TORA FOR CSM X - A NEW HIGH-SEC YOU EITHER LOVE US OR WE HATE YOU - ADAPT OR DIE - DELETE THE WEAK
Kaarous Aldurald Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 11686	Posted - 2015.02.06 10:44:17 - [82] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: Tora Bushido wrote: Kaelynne Rose wrote: He is elitle pvp, i am below that Thank you. Dont forget to Vote for me Why would anyone vote for a CSM who refuses to answer simple questions, instead ignoring the posters and reporting questions he doesn't want to answer as "trolling". Having you on the CSM would be a disgrace. Go back to the Jita undock. Personally I think ignoring and reporting you is a great start for a prospective CSM. Some opinions just shouldn't be given credence. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs.
Vector Symian 0 Fear 290	Posted - 2015.02.06 10:57:24 - [83] - Quote Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Lucas Kell wrote: Tora Bushido wrote: Kaelynne Rose wrote: He is elitle pvp, i am below that Thank you. Dont forget to Vote for me Why would anyone vote for a CSM who refuses to answer simple questions, instead ignoring the posters and reporting questions he doesn't want to answer as "trolling". Having you on the CSM would be a disgrace. Go back to the Jita undock. Personally I think ignoring and reporting you is a great start for a prospective CSM. Some opinions just shouldn't be given credence. I like puppies and veers
Lan Wang Coreli Corporation The Kadeshi 131	Posted - 2015.02.06 10:58:22 - [84] - Quote Tora Bushido wrote: Vic Jefferson wrote: There is a 100% way to never be ganked in Hi Sec. Leave High Sec. If everyone left Hi Sec, they would have nothing to do, and you'd have won the war. That doesn't make sense. Are you saying that when someone is shooting bullets at your house, you should move to a different city ? It's like me saying to you "You think jump fatigue is a problem ?" , they move to high-sec. think what he means is if theres d!ckheads in the neighbourhood then move out EVEALON Creative --áLogo Design \| Killboard Banners \| -áWeb Design \| Website Graphics -á
Lucas Kell Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance 5030	Posted - 2015.02.06 11:11:14 - [85] - Quote Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Personally I think ignoring and reporting you is a great start for a prospective CSM. Some opinions just shouldn't be given credence. I'm well aware of your views of me son, that's doesn't make it good for a CSM candidate to be completely unable to handle any form of criticism and to abuse forum moderation to filter out questions he'd rather not answer. The fact is that his campaign falls around the idea of "Evil is good", which sounds great until you realise that it doesn't matter how ridiculous an idea is, he's behind it as long as it sounds evil. There are plenty of "evil" ideas you'd reject instantly for how game breaking they would be. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. Chrysus Industries - Savings made simple!
Ima Wreckyou The Conference Elite CODE. 781	Posted - 2015.02.06 11:19:28 - [86] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Personally I think ignoring and reporting you is a great start for a prospective CSM. Some opinions just shouldn't be given credence. I'm well aware of your views of me son, that's doesn't make it good for a CSM candidate to be completely unable to handle any form of criticism and to abuse forum moderation to filter out questions he'd rather not answer. The fact is that his campaign falls around the idea of "Evil is good", which sounds great until you realise that it doesn't matter how ridiculous an idea is, he's behind it as long as it sounds evil. There are plenty of "evil" ideas you'd reject instantly for how game breaking they would be. It seams since your input muliplexing cheat tools got banned because someone tried to use them for ganking you try to do everything to get some payback. There is only one thing that needs to be said to that and that is: Calm down miner and handover the ISK for the mining permit! the Code ALWAYS wins
Vector Symian 0 Fear 290	Posted - 2015.02.06 11:31:41 - [87] - Quote If i may be serious for a moment... clears throat hmmmm If the afk miners are treating this game like farm ville.. Does that mean that Code treats this game like Zelda..? Ill explain.. Afkers! -Link is saving your flipping world and you is still charging you the same damn price for a deku nut!!! or is it possible he is a knife wielding crazy man and there was nothing wrong with the bloody moon! and he just runs around in masks scaring you into giving him nuts like a demented squirrel Code. - basicaly you run around cutting grass that just grows back the whole time yelling and making Din fireballs oh and their fairy mate never ever shuts-up when a target appears #zeldaneedsnerfing!! -all in all i am fairly confused and i believe this gif needs to be applied at this multi faceted post! Everyone's reaction including mine - http://i.imgur.com/PGTjC.jpg thanks veers as his reaction was perfect
Lucas Kell Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance 5030	Posted - 2015.02.06 11:53:48 - [88] - Quote Ima Wreckyou wrote: It seams since your input muliplexing cheat tools got banned because someone tried to use them for ganking you try to do everything to get some payback. There is only one thing that needs to be said to that and that is: Calm down miner and handover the ISK for the mining permit! Nice attempt fella, but I'm not an ISBoxer user, haven't been for a loooooong time (neither have I mined for a pretty substantial amount of time). And surely if what I wanted was payback, I'd be joining you lot, since the vast majority of whining about ISBoxer came from miners who think having multiple accounts is unfair. But no, I'm on the side of having a fun and enjoyable game all round. That doesn't mean siding completely with any one group of players, I'm a fan of all playstyles. I'm certainly not a fan of CSM candidates who wants to only support ideas which benefit themselves and crap on everyone else. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. Chrysus Industries - Savings made simple!
Kaarous Aldurald Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 11690	Posted - 2015.02.06 13:27:05 - [89] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: that's doesn't make it good for a CSM candidate to be completely unable to handle any form of criticism and to abuse forum moderation to filter out questions he'd rather not answer. Oh, that's true. But that isn't what's happening. What's happening is that he ignoring someone who is well known for trolling and derailing threads. You. That is not unreasonable in any way. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs.
Lucas Kell Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance 5030	Posted - 2015.02.06 13:58:53 - [90] - Quote Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Oh, that's true. But that isn't what's happening. What's happening is that he ignoring someone who is well known for trolling and derailing threads. You. That is not unreasonable in any way. I rarely do either of those things. Sure, I respond to people like yourself who seem to follow me around to attack me, but that's about it. You might have a point if I were the only person he'd responded in that way to, but almost any criticism he receives is met with insults and the blocklist. He's even admitted that he put his name forward for the CSM as a joke and just thought he'd stick around. You can put your votes where you like of course, but if you back a guy like this because you have some weird personal hatred towards me for some random thing said in a thread ages ago, then that's pretty sad. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. Chrysus Industries - Savings made simple!

Ima Wreckyou The Conference Elite CODE. 786	Posted - 2015.02.06 14:07:01 - [91] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Oh, that's true. But that isn't what's happening. What's happening is that he ignoring someone who is well known for trolling and derailing threads. You. That is not unreasonable in any way. I rarely do either of those things. Sure, I respond to people like yourself who seem to follow me around to attack me, but that's about it. You might have a point if I were the only person he'd responded in that way to, but almost any criticism he receives is met with insults and the blocklist. He's even admitted that he put his name forward for the CSM as a joke and just thought he'd stick around. You can put your votes where you like of course, but if you back a guy like this because you have some weird personal hatred towards me for some random thing said in a thread ages ago, then that's pretty sad. Remember when I said "Calm down miner and handover the ISK for the mining permit!" ? You should really take that advice. I mean you are drowning us in tears for months now. Your input broadcasting cheat tool was banned and your illegal mining operation came to an end. It's time to accept that and move on. Maybe get a new hobby.. like actually playing the game. the Code ALWAYS wins
Lucas Kell Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance 5030	Posted - 2015.02.06 14:13:12 - [92] - Quote Ima Wreckyou wrote: Remember when I said "Calm down miner and handover the ISK for the mining permit!" ? You should really take that advice. I mean you are drowning us in tears for months now. Your input broadcasting cheat tool was banned and your illegal mining operation came to an end. It's time to accept that and move on. Maybe get a new hobby.. like actually playing the game. lol, loyalanon is that you? You realise that not all responses are tears, right? I shed no tears over a computer game, and I certainly shed none over players who spend the vast majority of their time insulting people on the forums. Understand that you're not going to provoke me into getting upset over software which I don't use getting restricted making it less useful for an activity I don't perform. No matter how hard you try, the outcome of your trolling attempts is likely to extend no further than landing yourself a forum ban. Best of luck though! The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. Chrysus Industries - Savings made simple!
Ima Wreckyou The Conference Elite CODE. 787	Posted - 2015.02.06 14:27:49 - [93] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: Ima Wreckyou wrote: Remember when I said "Calm down miner and handover the ISK for the mining permit!" ? You should really take that advice. I mean you are drowning us in tears for months now. Your input broadcasting cheat tool was banned and your illegal mining operation came to an end. It's time to accept that and move on. Maybe get a new hobby.. like actually playing the game. lol, loyalanon is that you? You realise that not all responses are tears, right? I shed no tears over a computer game, and I certainly shed none over players who spend the vast majority of their time insulting people on the forums. Understand that you're not going to provoke me into getting upset over software which I don't use getting restricted making it less useful for an activity I don't perform. No matter how hard you try, the outcome of your trolling attempts is likely to extend no further than landing yourself a forum ban. Best of luck though! I am honoured that you think I am the #1 PvPer in this game who happens to be my CEO. I am sorry but I can't confirm that, then even if I was loyal this would violate the TOS. I am not trolling you nor am I insulting you my friend. I still have gallons of salt water from you from the input multiplexer change thread, which is an obvious sign of how hard it must have hit you. I am not here to gloat, rules where changed for the better and some people can't cheat any more. the world is a better place now. I am not sure why you think I deserve a forum ban. I was only trying to help you, while you respond with hostility. I just point out that you are hurt, why you are hurt and how you can get better. A well balanced miner is a happy miner and will not spam the forums with his poorly conceived ideas. the Code ALWAYS wins
Lucas Kell Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance 5058	Posted - 2015.02.06 14:47:18 - [94] - Quote Ima Wreckyou wrote: I am honoured that you think I am the #1 PvPer in this game who happens to be my CEO. I am sorry but I can't confirm that, then even if I was loyal this would violate the TOS. It was a joke. Loyalanon also seems to believe everything ever said is tears. Ima Wreckyou wrote: I am not trolling you nor am I insulting you my friend. I still have gallons of salt water from you from the input multiplexer change thread, which is an obvious sign of how hard it must have hit you. I am not here to gloat, rules where changed for the better and some people can't cheat any more. the world is a better place now. Your are not insulting, but you certainly are trolling. You're trying to invoke a response first by claiming I am crying, second by claiming that using isboxer was cheating (it never was, it's simply a rule that has changed - multiplexing now would be cheating), thirdly that I was a multiboxing miner and thus and heavily hit by the change, and finally that I'm posting for payback as if code were responsible for the change. If you really had read that thread, you'd know that I have used ISBoxer in the past and thus know what it can actually do, but I'm not a current user and haven't either used that or mined for quite some time. You'd also know that I had no objection to multibplexing being against the rules, nor did I have an issue with ISBoxer itself being made against the rules. What I had an issue with was the mass of grey area which has (as I originally stated it would) caused several manual multiboxers using no tools to be banned from the game. Ima Wreckyou wrote: I am not sure why you think I deserve a forum ban. I was only trying to help you, while you respond with hostility. I just point out that you are hurt, why you are hurt and how you can get better. A well balanced miner is a happy miner and will not spam the forums with his poorly conceived ideas. I didn't state you deserved one, I stated that repeatedly attempting to troll someone would likely lead to that outcome. As this is now going wildly off topic, I'm done discussing this with you here. If you want to continue you can either start up a separate thread somewhere relevant or mail me directly. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. Chrysus Industries - Savings made simple!
Solonius Rex F0RCED ENTRY F0RCED ENTRY. 119	Posted - 2015.02.06 15:15:10 - [95] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: Let's see. He suggests removing highsec aggression, you suggest removing any method a character younger than 5 months in age can be killed, player driven or not, as well as any an all scams or any other negative forms of behaviour against the same category of player. An you can't see why that's considerably more ridiculous? You forget that hes also claiming that this isnt an extreme idea, at all. Which is most possibly the most ridiculous thing to state. Quote: I'm aware there can be, but you said "The central concept of Eve is that the universe is a harsh place" which implies that there's just one and that's it. Had you said "One of the central conepts of Eve is that the universe is a harsh place" then that would not have been the case. You can claim that i "implied" something all you want, but the moment i corrected you that you were wrong on your interpretation, is the moment that all ambiguity has dissapeared. Quote: People will always complain about things they feel are unfair to them. That doesn't make the game harsh. Hell, have you not seen WoW players complaining about WoW? Except that no one in WoW complains about losing all their level 80 Raid gear every time they die. But imagine if they did. Wouldnt you agree that the game would be far more harsh, and that the community would be in an uprage, if Blizzard suddenly instituted a system where, every time you wipe, you drop all your current gear, and some of your gear gets destroyed? Quote: The fact is that everything in EVE boils down to isk, and isk can be earned in massive volumes passively or simply bought for cash if you fancy buying some plex. I've never in my entire time of playing EVE ever got to the point where I've lost something I couldn't immediately replace, and I've lost some pretty expensive stuff. Compare that to when I played Neocron back when it was actually harsh, where 1 false step meant you dropped your 4 slot CS which you might never see again, and EVE is a walk in the park. I wouldnt expect anything less from a 2007 player. Im only 2 years old and yet ive never lost something i couldnt replace, either. Quote: The idea that EVE is harsh is a marketing tactic, that's all. The game mechanics don't really match that. If it was harsh, you wouldn't be able to roll out an AFKtar and earn billions, you wouldn't be able to blitz L4s and you certainly wouldn't be able to hide behind alts when ganking freighters in dirt cheap ships. Of course a games gonna be easier for a skilled veteran, playing for multiple years and having accumulated a substantial amount of ISK. But were not talking about that. Were talking about new players. The original response I responded to, was a discussion about new player retention. Yes, eve is easier for us people who have been playing for 1-2+ years. Thats no surprise. Does that change the fact that both the learning curve of Eve, and the new player experience, is often times an extremely harsh one? No. Does this change the fact that new players arent always gonna be smart, and sometimes lose what they cant afford to fly? No. I mean, when you run around the WoW starter zones, do you see people in new characters being greifed and scammed and have their characters be killed by other high level chars?
Lucas Kell Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance 5058	Posted - 2015.02.06 15:44:45 - [96] - Quote Solonius Rex wrote: You can claim that i "implied" something all you want, but the moment i corrected you that you were wrong on your interpretation, is the moment that all ambiguity has dissapeared. What you believe to be my interpretation is incorrect. My interpretation of your sentence was that EVE has spaceships in it, which makes me completely correct on my interpretation. As I have now corrected you all ambiguity has disappeared. What you stated was still what you stated, even if you want to go back and revise it. Solonius Rex wrote: Except that no one in WoW complains about losing all their level 80 Raid gear every time they die. But imagine if they did. Wouldnt you agree that the game would be far more harsh, and that the community would be in an uprage, if Blizzard suddenly instituted a system where, every time you wipe, you drop all your current gear, and some of your gear gets destroyed? I'm not really sure how that matters. What you implied was that people whining indicated that a game was harsh. Wow players do in fact whine all the time, and yet it's generally accepted that WoW is the epitome of a themepark MMO. I suppose that will be revised and my interpretation of that will be wrong too. Solonius Rex wrote: I wouldnt expect anything less from a 2007 player. Im only 2 years old and yet ive never lost something i couldnt replace, either. Point of fact, I'm a 2005 player. But yeah, surely a game that was harsh would involve losses which you couldn't immediately replace? Solonius Rex wrote: Of course a games gonna be easier for a skilled veteran, playing for multiple years and having accumulated a substantial amount of ISK. But were not talking about that. Were talking about new players. The original response I responded to, was a discussion about new player retention. Yes, eve is easier for us people who have been playing for 1-2+ years. Thats no surprise. Does that change the fact that both the learning curve of Eve, and the new player experience, is often times an extremely harsh one? No. Does this change the fact that new players arent always gonna be smart, and sometimes lose what they cant afford to fly? No. I mean, when you run around the WoW starter zones, do you see people in new characters being greifed and scammed and have their characters be killed by other high level chars? The game isn't particularly harsh on new players either, and certainly not by design. The only thing that is "harsh" on new players is how many veterans go out of their way to berate new players once they've destroyed their first few ships. It's like walking into an unmoderated chatroom with spaceships in it. I'm quite often convinced that many of the veterans here don't want new players in the game. You're going to have to do a lot of convincing if you want me to believe that a "central concept" of EVE is purposely trolling noobs out of the game, and when I joined that certainly wasn't anywhere near as common as it is now. Sure, you got blown up but you didn't get so much "LOL, rekt, gtfo noob, go back to wow, cry moar" and other such welcoming comments when it happened. I've played games that are actually harsh by design, that have serious consequences if you lose a fight. EVE is simply not one of those games these days. EVE is just the 4chan of video games. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. Chrysus Industries - Savings made simple!
John E Normus New Order Logistics CODE. 493	Posted - 2015.02.06 17:21:43 - [97] - Quote Has CODE been defeated yet? Between Ignorance and Wisdom
Lucas Kell Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance 5058	Posted - 2015.02.06 17:50:16 - [98] - Quote John E Normus wrote: Has CODE been defeated yet? Original, really. We all know that very rarely will anyone be "defeated" since even stripped of all power people still bleat from the sidelines about how they are still there. It's pretty safe to say that CODE is as defeated as the highsec carebears they fight however. So both sides are losing. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. Chrysus Industries - Savings made simple!
John E Normus New Order Logistics CODE. 493	Posted - 2015.02.06 18:56:52 - [99] - Quote Beautiful Between Ignorance and Wisdom
Lucas Kell Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance 5058	Posted - 2015.02.06 19:20:46 - [100] - Quote John E Normus wrote: Beautiful Thanks. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. Chrysus Industries - Savings made simple!

ISD Dorrim Barstorlode ISD Community Communications Liaisons 4230	Posted - 2015.02.06 19:41:44 - [101] - Quote Removed some off topic posts. ISD Dorrim Barstorlode Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department
Sebastian Voss Voss Heavy Industries 1	Posted - 2015.02.06 20:43:27 - [102] - Quote Chocolate Mooses wrote: Seraph IX Basarab wrote: You need to find the half dozen other groups that have followed the above steps and pool some isk together and hire mercs. Which ones? Well it's a question of numbers really so with Marmite and Forsaken having the best mix of numbers, those two should cripple some of the mobility of CODE. much good post until this part. hiring "mercs" against the CODE. alliance = giving your ISK away to someone for literally 0 results. look how hard we trashed the noble mermaids led by the brave tomato burrito (space bushido!) in their little war campaign. is that even still going on? and who hires "mercs" to war dec a bunch of -10 sec players anyway? you don't even need a war, just a gun. these miners think the CODE. is running some huge scam by offering mining permits for a whopping 10 million ISK per year, someone get tora to pop into this thread plz and disclose how many hundreds of billions he has taken from angry miners with promises of having some effect against the CODE. alliance, please. you want a scam, miners, there's your big scam right in front of your eyes. word is that he's been doing this for years now. also, your post fails to state the most obvious fact which is that the CODE always wins. always! on the other hand, your post inspired good reaction gifs and made me laugh and told the carebears to HTFU and stop crying for just one more nerf, just one more nerf please oh ccp save us so we can fly untanked hulks while farmvilling like the space god intended also veers has not started ranting here about real life criminals and cybertorture or calling people idiots yet so my final score is overall 7.2285 out of 10 would click again Reason's I won't buy a license. No out of game offense intended. 1. You don't always honor them. 2. I'd rather have you come after me and take the ISK from me if you can. I'm not your b**ch. 3. With all those AFK Miners and AFK Freighters you have such a target rich environment anyway. 4. It would take me out of the content your generating.
Sebastian Voss Voss Heavy Industries 1	Posted - 2015.02.06 20:49:08 - [103] - Quote William Viper wrote: HighSec miners are not the main victims of CODE or whatever kind of HighSec gankers. What about new players? Players who recently joined EVE? Doing some missions, gathering some ore in the belts? How many of those already quit playing EVE because they got shot by "pirates" while moving to Jita in their first industrial? What EVE Online needs are new players. Players who stay with us (!) in New Eden. Players who spend their money for PLEX and populate our universe. How can we achieve this? 1st proposal: no offensive action against other players in HighSec should be possible. No shooting at them, no targeting, no jamming, no whatever. 2nd proposal: buff CONCORDE. They should be everywhere in HighSec and destroy every capsuleer who targets an other player. You think that's too extreme? Think about the decrease in the number of players who quit playing EVE within their first week because they got ganked in HighSec. Speaking as someone who seems to be stuck in High-Sec. This is too extreme. Isn't already really difficult to gank someone in a 1.0 or 0.9 system where you start off anyway? Can anyone give me stats on new players quiting because of code. I played for 1 year without never being ganked. Came back after quiting because the game was so boring and got ganked after about 4 months. Learned to tank my ships and have had gank attempts happen but none successfully after that.. more fun. I mean in game, if you want to try to take down CODE, I'm willing to help. To take them down through nerfing, not interested.
Sebastian Voss Voss Heavy Industries 1	Posted - 2015.02.06 20:50:02 - [104] - Quote I'm naming all my ships "Kenny". So when I am ganked I can say "You Bastidges, you killed Kenny!"
Vic Jefferson GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 132	Posted - 2015.02.06 21:25:37 - [105] - Quote Tora Bushido wrote: Vic Jefferson wrote: There is a 100% way to never be ganked in Hi Sec. Leave High Sec. If everyone left Hi Sec, they would have nothing to do, and you'd have won the war. That doesn't make sense. Are you saying that when someone is shooting bullets at your house, you should move to a different city ? It's like me saying to you "You think jump fatigue is a problem ?" , they move to high-sec. Hi Sec antagonists win by blowing up people or otherwise hurting their bottom line. You want the big kill mails, and the humorous stories of others being careless. That's fine and I support that 100%, and even indulge in it from time to time. If you really wanted to defeat Hi Sec gankers, you'd deprive them of this victory condition by simply not being a valid target in the areas they almost exclusively operate, as well as encouraging others to do the same. Living where gankers congregate is giving them an open license for victimizing you, as well as making their victory condition easy to attain. You may win a battle with falcons or smartbombs or counterbumping or whatever, but you could potentially do a lot more to rob them of their jollies if targets moved out of Hi Sec. A causal perusing of killboards confirms the rather limited reach of most of the industrial strength ganking alliances, or at least the ones that make the most noise. Jump Fatigue is not a problem at all. It has made my life considerably better, in fact. Vote Vic Jefferson for CSM X
John E Normus New Order Logistics CODE. 493	Posted - 2015.02.06 22:45:18 - [106] - Quote "Living where gankers congregate is giving them an open license for victimizing* you, as well as making their victory condition easy to attain."* ~ Vic Jefferson, 2015 Between Ignorance and Wisdom
Solonius Rex F0RCED ENTRY F0RCED ENTRY. 126	Posted - 2015.02.07 16:24:33 - [107] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: What you believe to be my interpretation is incorrect. My interpretation of your sentence was that EVE has spaceships in it, which makes me completely correct on my interpretation. As I have now corrected you all ambiguity has disappeared. What you stated was still what you stated, even if you want to go back and revise it. Im not talking about your interpretation regarding that aspect of my sentence. Im talking about your inrepretation regarding how i said that Harshness is the central concept, but not the only central concept of Eve, in which you interpreted that to mean, despite the lack of the word "Only", I was claiming that there was only 1 central concept within Eve. Quote: I'm not really sure how that matters. What you implied was that people whining indicated that a game was harsh. Wow players do in fact whine all the time, and yet it's generally accepted that WoW is the epitome of a themepark MMO. I suppose that will be revised and my interpretation of that will be wrong too. Maybe you should read the rest of my paragraph? You know, cause that statement is a part of the entire paragraph. Im not aware of anything within the blizzard forums of something that was complained and petitioned so much that Billzard actually had to post a topic stating their official stance on it, that was still stickied after 2 years, and people still actively post in it and discuss it and complain about it. Quote: Point of fact, I'm a 2005 player. But yeah, surely a game that was harsh would involve losses which you couldn't immediately replace? Your character was only active since 2007 so i thought you were a 2007 player, but okay. Just because a game is harsh, doesnt mean that it is harsh in all manners and respects, no matter how you play or how you might go on to mitigate the risks and chances of losing all your stuff. After all, a game that is harsh just for the sake of being harsh is a stupid game. Quote: The game isn't particularly harsh on new players either, and certainly not by design. The only thing that is "harsh" on new players is how many veterans go out of their way to berate new players once they've destroyed their first few ships. It's like walking into an unmoderated chatroom with spaceships in it. I'm quite often convinced that many of the veterans here don't want new players in the game. You're going to have to do a lot of convincing if you want me to believe that a "central concept" of EVE is purposely trolling noobs out of the game, and when I joined that certainly wasn't anywhere near as common as it is now. Sure, you got blown up but you didn't get so much "LOL, rekt, gtfo noob, go back to wow, cry moar" and other such welcoming comments when it happened. I've played games that are actually harsh by design, that have serious consequences if you lose a fight. EVE is simply not one of those games these days. EVE is just the 4chan of video games. https://soundcloud.com/gecko-1-1/gecko-fleet-phoon-awox Im sure people like this would disagree with you. But you make it sound as if people leave this game more because they were trolled, rather than because they lost almost all their assets in one swift swoop. I mean, theres a thread here on C&P of a guy who was scammed out of his 300 dollars worth of plex, saying he was gonna leave this game for good. Do you honestly think that hes leaving because he was trolled, or because all of his assets were utterly and completely stolen?
La Rynx School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 178	Posted - 2015.02.07 18:24:44 - [108] - Quote One problem is, that hisec is called hisec. It is only natural to expect that "hisec" means "safe sec". Call it "funny" or ridiculous, but it would be better to call it "empire space" / "empire core" or just somthing without "hisec" wich ppl believe means high security. I am serious about that. "Time you enjoy wasting is not wasted time." Forum Main
Aihaken Kashada State War Academy Caldari State 0	Posted - 2015.02.07 20:19:19 - [109] - Quote Just train a grifin alt. and have ecm drones in your minning ship. ecm drone and jam the catayst then point the pod and force them to self destruct problem solved and you get to hold a pod for two minutes. Also make sure to ask for a gf in local as well. Why tank a ship when you can bait tank it and have a good laugh.
Vector Symian 0 Fear 355	Posted - 2015.02.07 22:25:07 - [110] - Quote Wonder this thread could be locked for redundancy? Im fairly sure this topic has been covered multiple time You don't like each other so shoot at each other- figure out alts blap their shiny goon asses tank your ships appropriately and never EVER buy that fraud they call a permit if you don't then I will personally shoot at you and I don't like gankers

Lucas Kell Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance 5077	Posted - 2015.02.08 02:28:37 - [111] - Quote Solonius Rex wrote: Im not talking about your interpretation regarding that aspect of my sentence. Im talking about your inrepretation regarding how i said that Harshness is the central concept, but not the only central concept of Eve, in which you interpreted that to mean, despite the lack of the word "Only", I was claiming that there was only 1 central concept within Eve. I was interpreting it the way it was written. You said "the central concept" which doesn't actually make sense when talking about more than one thing. Anyway, enough arguing over semantics. Solonius Rex wrote: Maybe you should read the rest of my paragraph? You know, cause that statement is a part of the entire paragraph. Im not aware of anything within the blizzard forums of something that was complained and petitioned so much that Billzard actually had to post a topic stating their official stance on it, that was still stickied after 2 years, and people still actively post in it and discuss it and complain about it. I did read your sentence, and what it basically boiled down to is "would WoW be more harsh f WoW was more harsh". That doesn't really affect EVE. I'm not saying i's impossible for a game to be harsh, what I was saying is that the fact that people complain about losses in games doesn't make them harsh, as evidenced by people complaining about themepark MMOs. Solonius Rex wrote: Your character was only active since 2007 so i thought you were a 2007 player, but okay. Just because a game is harsh, doesnt mean that it is harsh in all manners and respects, no matter how you play or how you might go on to mitigate the risks and chances of losing all your stuff. After all, a game that is harsh just for the sake of being harsh is a stupid game. Second character which rapidly became my main. Indeed, but it does need to be harsh in at least some respects. The only things that people say are harsh in EVE are thing which boil down to requiring isk to replace (scams, ship explosion, podding) and as ISK is easy to make while asleep, it pretty much makes any loss irrelevant. When they put in forced permadeath or loss of serious SP on ship loss or even just made it significantly harder to replace your losses, I might agree it's harsh. All that really differentiates EVE from other games at the moment is that scams and emergent gameplay considered bannable in other games because they generally promote spamming and antisocial behaviour isn't bannable here. Solonius Rex wrote: https://soundcloud.com/gecko-1-1/gecko-fleet-phoon-awox Im sure people like this would disagree with you. But you make it sound as if people leave this game more because they were trolled, rather than because they lost almost all their assets in one swift swoop. I mean, theres a thread here on C&P of a guy who was scammed out of his 300 dollars worth of plex, saying he was gonna leave this game for good. Do you honestly think that hes leaving because he was trolled, or because all of his assets were utterly and completely stolen? I'm sure some people would disagree. Look around the forums and you'll find people disagreeing with thins that are clearly true. Disagreeing with something doesn't mean they are right. Certainly from a mechanics standpoint, the game isn't designed to be particularly harsh on newbies. The only reason they get more losses than anyone else is because they haven't learned to dodge the players who farm them for easy kills yet. I'd bet that considerably more people leave because of the way they are treated socially within the game than from losing their ships. Sure, you can point to a thread where someone is leaving because he dumped a sum of real life cash into the game and got it robbed almost immediately, but that in itself doesn't prove that people leave from the losses. I'm sure some quit over losing their stuff, that always going to happen, but what tends to get people upset to the point of ragequit is when they get bombarded with insults and purposely prodded and poked until they are stressed out. For many bittervets, it's not good enough that they destroy someone's ship, they want them to cry about it. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. Chrysus Industries - Savings made simple!
admiral root Red Galaxy 2294	Posted - 2015.02.08 04:30:31 - [112] - Quote La Rynx wrote: One problem is, that hisec is called hisec. It is only natural to expect that "hisec" means "safe sec". Call it "funny" or ridiculous, but it would be better to call it "empire space" / "empire core" or just somthing without "hisec" wich ppl believe means high security. I am serious about that. The White House is generally considered high security, yet the Secret Service has been taking some real flak lately over breaches and lapses. High sec isn't safe, just safer. Oh, and empire space is already in the game - high sec and low sec both fit this description. No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff \| No-one hates you, none of us care enough for that. Sabriz for CSM
Tyyler DURden Mordechai and Sons Distribution Co. 66	Posted - 2015.02.08 16:48:33 - [113] - Quote [ Vic Jefferson wrote: as well as making their victory condition easy to attain. The code always wins right? Isnt that what they say? Anybody can set their own conditions for victory, thats the nature of the sandbox. In this instance code decided that culling the dumbest 2% of the herd in hisec is their big win. Congrats I guess. Kind of reminds me of Homer and Bart playing that boxing game and right as Homer is about to finally get his first win Bart unplugs the console and declares himself retired grand champion for life. Tyyler DURden says "use soap"
admiral root Red Galaxy 2295	Posted - 2015.02.09 04:15:39 - [114] - Quote The whinebears guide to defeating Code and the New Order: 1. Set a victory condition of not being ganked for the duration of Eve's lifetime. 2. Immediately uninstall your client and cancel your subscription(s). Do not re-install and do not re-subscribe, ever. 3. Declare victory somewhere else, because you can't trash this forum up without a subscription. No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff \| No-one hates you, none of us care enough for that. Sabriz for CSM
DrMaddog Empire Hauls 2	Posted - 2015.02.12 15:48:25 - [115] - Quote admiral root wrote: The whinebears guide to defeating Code and the New Order: 1. Set a victory condition of not being ganked for the duration of Eve's lifetime. 2. Immediately uninstall your client and cancel your subscription(s). Do not re-install and do not re-subscribe, ever. 3. Declare victory somewhere else, because you can't trash this forum up without a subscription. Such a sick burn, never heard this sick burn. 2004 called and wants its sick burns back for the insult ward.
admiral root Red Galaxy 2313	Posted - 2015.02.12 15:59:50 - [116] - Quote DrMaddog wrote: admiral root wrote: The whinebears guide to defeating Code and the New Order: 1. Set a victory condition of not being ganked for the duration of Eve's lifetime. 2. Immediately uninstall your client and cancel your subscription(s). Do not re-install and do not re-subscribe, ever. 3. Declare victory somewhere else, because you can't trash this forum up without a subscription. Such a sick burn, never heard this sick burn. 2004 called and wants its sick burns back for the insult ward. Miner, calm down. No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff \| No-one hates you, none of us care enough for that. Sabriz for CSM
Tengu Grib Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE. 909	Posted - 2015.02.12 18:00:25 - [117] - Quote Sebastian Voss wrote: William Viper wrote: HighSec miners are not the main victims of CODE or whatever kind of HighSec gankers. What about new players? Players who recently joined EVE? Doing some missions, gathering some ore in the belts? How many of those already quit playing EVE because they got shot by "pirates" while moving to Jita in their first industrial? What EVE Online needs are new players. Players who stay with us (!) in New Eden. Players who spend their money for PLEX and populate our universe. How can we achieve this? 1st proposal: no offensive action against other players in HighSec should be possible. No shooting at them, no targeting, no jamming, no whatever. 2nd proposal: buff CONCORDE. They should be everywhere in HighSec and destroy every capsuleer who targets an other player. You think that's too extreme? Think about the decrease in the number of players who quit playing EVE within their first week because they got ganked in HighSec. Speaking as someone who seems to be stuck in High-Sec. This is too extreme. Isn't already really difficult to gank someone in a 1.0 or 0.9 system where you start off anyway? Can anyone give me stats on new players quiting because of code. I played for 1 year without never being ganked. Came back after quiting because the game was so boring and got ganked after about 4 months. Learned to tank my ships and have had gank attempts happen but none successfully after that.. more fun. I mean in game, if you want to try to take down CODE, I'm willing to help. To take them down through nerfing, not interested. You have the correct attitude towards us. Personally, if someone quits Eve because they were ganked, then they would have quit eventually due to something else. Those who get ganked and learn from it, or manage to go a long time without being ganked, are players who can and maybe will remain in Eve. Eve is a cold hard place, if new players can't take a hit on the chin, they won't last whether we gank them or not. Back when I was mining I only got ganked once, and it took 10 Test Alliance catalysts to kill a single one of my Mackinaws and the second target warped off in half shields. I didn't complain, I congratulated them as being the first ones to succeed. Besides, they brought enough firepower they deserved the kill. And yes, ganking in a 1.0 or 0.9 is quite difficult, you need to bring way more firepower than you actually want to. We spent 150 million ganking a guy who was live streaming with no delay, he was flying a retriever in a 1.0 system. What we brought was overkill, but it gives you an idea. Sabriz for CSMX! Consider voting Tora as well.
Capt Starfox Northstar Cabal Tactical Narcotics Team 825	Posted - 2015.02.13 10:09:34 - [118] - Quote William Viper wrote: HighSec miners are not the main victims of CODE or whatever kind of HighSec gankers. What about new players? Players who recently joined EVE? Doing some missions, gathering some ore in the belts? How many of those already quit playing EVE because they got shot by "pirates" while moving to Jita in their first industrial? What EVE Online needs are new players. Players who stay with us (!) in New Eden. Players who spend their money for PLEX and populate our universe. How can we achieve this? 1st proposal: no offensive action against other players in HighSec should be possible. No shooting at them, no targeting, no jamming, no whatever. 2nd proposal: buff CONCORDE. They should be everywhere in HighSec and destroy every capsuleer who targets an other player. You think that's too extreme? Think about the decrease in the number of players who quit playing EVE within their first week because they got ganked in HighSec. How about no. Eve is and has always been about the uncertainty of space (pixels). In this environment I can, if I wish, shoot your spaceship. What you 'ought to do in return is either get even, or get smarter, or both. If you cannot, or will not put forth the required amount of effort (some google searches and reading) to counter your opponent, then I'm sorry, this is not the right game for you. If this happens to be a "new" player, and they cannot handle losing their precious spaceship in a video game about losing spaceships, they should not be playing. However, most new players I've encountered asked me all sorts of questions about what I did and how I did it; I am more than happy to oblige. These players are so grateful as they actually learned something from someone who comprehends the mechanics and sometimes they go out and try something piratey for themselves and realize it's way more fun than shooting little red crosses, or mining space rocks. I dare say you couldn't be more wrong and that Eve piracy breathes life into Eve Online. But, because your passive income is at risk you yell bloody murder and carry on about the new players. *Abandon all hope ye who x up in fleet*
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie Brawlers Inc. 1437	Posted - 2015.02.13 11:31:19 - [119] - Quote La Rynx wrote: One problem is, that hisec is called hisec. It is only natural to expect that "hisec" means "safe sec". Call it "funny" or ridiculous, but it would be better to call it "empire space" / "empire core" or just somthing without "hisec" wich ppl believe means high security. I am serious about that. This actually isn't a bad idea, I doubt it would ever be pushed through though. New player resources: Uni Wiki - General Info Eve Altruist - PvP Belligerent Undesirables - High Sec Pvp
Shallanna Yassavi Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2015.02.14 09:04:29 - [120] - Quote How to defeat CODE-type tactics: 0: To keep your sanity, find something else to do while mining. 1: Figure out how the combat system actually works. Google may find how-to guides, but isn't so good at analysis. Yet. 2: Mine with fighter escort nearby, maybe a couple of mission runners. This fighter escort should be able to handle close-range action and be able to scram and maybe web. For the fighters, learning teamwork when running the mission wouldn't hurt, either, cause it's a very multiplayer game.

Intar Medris Hellbound Turkeys Alliance of Abandoned Cybernetic Rejects 223	Posted - 2015.02.14 11:20:33 - [121] - Quote Yield my friend is the reason why to use a T2 barge, and they also have better caps and can fit better tanks. Problem is most miners have never heard of fitting a tank. I stopped flying Hulks and went to Skiffs. The reason is simple. The massive tank you can fit. 71K EHP without boosts vs 10K EHP on a hulk. Sure I give up a some yield, but I would see the gank fleet it would take to take down my Skiffs the moment they came in the system. Skiffs are notorious for the amount of firepower it takes to bring one down. I try to be nice and mind my business just shooting lasers at rocks. There is just way too many asshats in New Eden for that to happen.
Veers Belvar Swordmasters of New Eden 501	Posted - 2015.02.15 05:33:25 - [122] - Quote Kinda scratching my head at these defeat code threads. Their organization is semi-dormant, all their FCs have quit...and their leader is nowhere to be found. Not to mention their spectacular failure in actually changing the risk/reward balance. Asking how to beat code is like asking how to beat walter mondale...you win just by showing up.
admiral root Red Galaxy 2346	Posted - 2015.02.15 11:17:40 - [123] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: Kinda scratching my head at these defeat code threads. Their organization is semi-dormant, all their FCs have quit...and their leader is nowhere to be found. Our leader is nowhere to be found? John E Normus is frequently to be found in the minerbumping channel and in highsec. As for FCs, it's seldom I don't see one on our TS server and more in-game. Now for my favourite part - stats. Code: 2,052 kills in the last 14 days. Veers Belvar: 0 Ok, that's not really fair. Let's throw in January, December and November as well for him, giving us a grand total of drumroll Veers Belvar: 0 No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff \| No-one hates you, none of us care enough for that. Sabriz for CSM
Darek Castigatus Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel 643	Posted - 2015.02.15 11:53:42 - [124] - Quote Bu that doesnt include NPCs right?Im sure once we factor those in Veers has way more than......bwahahahaha sorry I cant finish that sentence wihtout breaking out laughing. Pirates - The Invisible Fist of Darwin you're welcome
Boom Boom Longtime EVE Corporation 6908469858 Heroes and Villains. 1112	Posted - 2015.02.15 13:02:37 - [125] - Quote The logical way to defeat Code would be to uninstall this game and go about your business irl. Just like Peter Pan left Never Never Land in the film Hook to grow up. He even gave his stuff away to the Lost Boys before he left, but he still came back i suppose. Who would play the various roles if they made a C&P remake of that classic is open to debate. It would likely be a stinker of a film but i'm sure the tear jerking finale would be a blast. Concord Approved Trader
Six Beavers New Order Logistics CODE. 32	Posted - 2015.02.15 13:09:25 - [126] - Quote Veers is certainly ahead in the "how many troll threads can i maintain in C&P this month" category. I hope his RL position as senior online legal document provider doesn't suffer.
Veers Belvar Swordmasters of New Eden 502	Posted - 2015.02.15 14:00:38 - [127] - Quote Six Beavers wrote: Veers is certainly ahead in the "how many troll threads can i maintain in C&P this month" category. I hope his RL position as senior online legal document provider doesn't suffer. Oh boy...there is a keeper...calling PvE players "carebears," "victims," "whiners," "prey," etc....isn't trolling....declaring that james 315 was somehow "elected" "savior of highsec" isn't trolling....but pointing out that code is failing in it's stated mission is trolling. Gotta give you credit for Alice in Wonderland style consistency.
Veers Belvar Swordmasters of New Eden 502	Posted - 2015.02.15 14:02:00 - [128] - Quote admiral root wrote: Veers Belvar wrote: Kinda scratching my head at these defeat code threads. Their organization is semi-dormant, all their FCs have quit...and their leader is nowhere to be found. Our leader is nowhere to be found? John E Normus is frequently to be found in the minerbumping channel and in highsec. As for FCs, it's seldom I don't see one on our TS server and more in-game. Now for my favourite part - stats. Code: 2,052 kills in the last 14 days. Veers Belvar: 0 Ok, that's not really fair. Let's throw in January, December and November as well for him, giving us a grand total of drumroll Veers Belvar: 0 John is only leader because James and Loyalanon, among others, quit the post. That doesn't exactly sound like a winning record. Further, highsec has more PvE than ever, your 2000 kills are but a drop in the bucket. And comparing kills with a PvE player.....
Capt Starfox Northstar Cabal Tactical Narcotics Team 837	Posted - 2015.02.15 14:14:17 - [129] - Quote FFS Veers stop being bad! The New Order is a hierarchy with James at the very top. There are several other leaders in the New Order and CODE. alliance alike. James didn't quit, I don't know why you keep saying this. When the blog stops, then you can say James quit. Until then he's very much attached to what's going on with New Order and CODE. affairs. *Abandon all hope ye who x up in fleet*
Veers Belvar Swordmasters of New Eden 502	Posted - 2015.02.15 15:49:50 - [130] - Quote Capt Starfox wrote: FFS Veers stop being bad! The New Order is a hierarchy with James at the very top. There are several other leaders in the New Order and CODE. alliance alike. James didn't quit, I don't know why you keep saying this. When the blog stops, then you can say James quit. Until then he's very much attached to what's going on with New Order and CODE. affairs. Writing some blog posts and logging in once a month to send some isk is not "playing the game." He has given up...and it is time for you to do the same. The whole agenda to radically change highsec was flawed from the getgo...a few bored nullsec folks with some catalysts have no ability to materially change the gameplay experience of thousands of highsec PvE players. To think otherwise was always foolish. Sad to see you waste your time on this hopeless endeavor...stick to wormholes.

Capt Starfox Northstar Cabal Tactical Narcotics Team 837	Posted - 2015.02.15 16:51:29 - [131] - Quote Some? You mean usually once per day. Playing a game is relative. Could logging into a video game be considered playing said video game? Some would say that technically does constitute playing that video game, others of course would say otherwise. I suppose you lean more towards the latter? I don't know about you, but if someone logged into a video game, intimately checked their in-game emails, wrote about those emails on a blog and handed out in-game currency for acting in one's behalf, yeah I'd say that's playing a video. I'd also say that's brilliant. I started in Highsec with a Thrasher. We must be doing something right, you're still here louder than ever. *Abandon all hope ye who x up in fleet*
Veers Belvar Swordmasters of New Eden 502	Posted - 2015.02.15 17:39:01 - [132] - Quote Capt Starfox wrote: Some? You mean usually once per day. Playing a game is relative. Could logging into a video game be considered playing said video game? Some would say that technically does constitute playing that video game, others of course would say otherwise. I suppose you lean more towards the latter? I don't know about you, but if someone logged into a video game, intimately checked their in-game emails, wrote about those emails on a blog and handed out in-game currency for acting in one's behalf, yeah I'd say that's playing a video game. I'd also say that's brilliant. I started in Highsec with a Thrasher. We must be doing something right, you're still here louder than ever. e: Well... a Rifter which I used to can flip in, then a Thrasher. Good try Ms. Foxxie....from the blog posts I identify at least three distinct human writers...so James is certainly not writing every day. And no, logging in to check mail and write is not playing the game. James tried bumping, tried ganking, tried running for CSM, tried fundamentally changing highsec, failed everywhere, and left the game. It's a sad tale Foxxie...and I'm worried the same will happen to you. Leave code before the stench of failure compels you to unsub.
John E Normus New Order Logistics CODE. 498	Posted - 2015.02.16 04:30:42 - [133] - Quote Hey Ms Foxxie, HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Between Ignorance and Wisdom
Mike Adoulin Adolescent Radioactive Pirate Hamsters 1157	Posted - 2015.02.16 09:33:06 - [134] - Quote I thought Veers was just another James 315 alt? drinks a beer Everything in EVE is a trap. And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:) You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg. Chribba is the Chuck Norris of EVE.
admiral root Red Galaxy 2353	Posted - 2015.02.16 09:57:00 - [135] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: [John is only leader because James and Loyalanon, among others, quit the post. That doesn't exactly sound like a winning record. Further, highsec has more PvE than ever, your 2000 kills are but a drop in the bucket. And comparing kills with a PvE player..... Neither James 315, nor Loyalanon have ever held the position of CODE.'s executor. John's predecessor was Aria Stane, who founded the alliance. Try again. No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff \| No-one hates you, none of us care enough for that. Sabriz for CSM
admiral root Red Galaxy 2353	Posted - 2015.02.16 09:57:59 - [136] - Quote Mike Adoulin wrote: I thought Veers was just another James 315 alt? Agent Veers is that good. No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff \| No-one hates you, none of us care enough for that. Sabriz for CSM
Intar Medris Hellbound Turkeys Alliance of Abandoned Cybernetic Rejects 223	Posted - 2015.02.16 11:01:07 - [137] - Quote My prediction is once CCP fixes, yes fixes, SOV is the null bears will be too busy duking it out to even worry about trolling in high sec. Afterwards ganking will decrease back down to normal levels. It won't cease to exsist but won't be nearly as prevalent as it is now. There hasn't been a significant war in SOV null sec for some time. Why bother when the current mechanics are so broken and grindtastic. I try to be nice and mind my business just shooting lasers at rocks. There is just way too many asshats in New Eden for that to happen.
Tora Bushido EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective 1968	Posted - 2015.02.16 11:14:05 - [138] - Quote admiral root wrote: Veers Belvar: 0 Who ? TORA FOR CSM X - A NEW HIGH-SEC YOU EITHER LOVE US OR WE HATE YOU - ADAPT OR DIE - DELETE THE WEAK
Tora Bushido EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective 1968	Posted - 2015.02.16 11:18:18 - [139] - Quote Mike Adoulin wrote: I thought Veers was just another James 315 alt? Confirming I am a James alt too. TORA FOR CSM X - A NEW HIGH-SEC YOU EITHER LOVE US OR WE HATE YOU - ADAPT OR DIE - DELETE THE WEAK
admiral root Red Galaxy 2355	Posted - 2015.02.16 11:35:32 - [140] - Quote Intar Medris wrote: Afterwards ganking will decrease back down to normal levels. It won't cease to exsist but won't be nearly as prevalent as it is now. Oh, this should be good. What is your definition of "normal levels"? Tora Bushido wrote: Confirming I am a James alt too. Don't be so modest. Everyone knows James 315 is a Tora alt. No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff \| No-one hates you, none of us care enough for that. Sabriz for CSM

Concord Guy's Cousin State War Academy Caldari State 622	Posted - 2015.02.16 12:10:49 - [141] - Quote Intar Medris wrote: Afterwards ganking will decrease back down to normal levels. If ganking was to return to previous historical levels, it would actually increase, not decrease. Quote: It won't cease to exsist but won't be nearly as prevalent as it is now. Which is less prevalent than it has been in the past. ISD LackOfFaith ~ "Your Catalyst was a hamster, and your Retriever smelt of elderberries" NPC Forum Alt, because reasons.
Intar Medris Hellbound Turkeys Alliance of Abandoned Cybernetic Rejects 223	Posted - 2015.02.16 13:00:47 - [142] - Quote admiral root wrote: Intar Medris wrote: Afterwards ganking will decrease back down to normal levels. It won't cease to exsist but won't be nearly as prevalent as it is now. Oh, this should be good. What is your definition of "normal levels"? Tora Bushido wrote: Confirming I am a James alt too. Don't be so modest. Everyone knows James 315 is a Tora alt. Well back around 2010ish preCODE outside of Hulkegeddon getting ganked was uncommon. You hardly ever saw a -10 too in high sec, and ganking freighters was almost unheard off. Pretty much the current ganking trend for the last two years is do too bored Null sec pilots. I try to be nice and mind my business just shooting lasers at rocks. There is just way too many asshats in New Eden for that to happen.
Capt Starfox Northstar Cabal Tactical Narcotics Team 841	Posted - 2015.02.16 15:09:42 - [143] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: Good try Ms. Foxxie....from the blog posts I identify at least three distinct human writers...so James is certainly not writing every day. And no, logging in to check mail and write is not playing the game. James tried bumping, tried ganking, tried running for CSM, tried fundamentally changing highsec, failed everywhere, and left the game. It's a sad tale Foxxie...and I'm worried the same will happen to you. Leave code before the stench of failure compels you to unsub. I remember years ago when carebears were saying how the New Order wasn't doing anything and how is was going to fail. I believe around this time we were camping the static ice belts, but small in numbers. The carebears were so quick to say how our efforts were meaningless for [insert carebear reason here] and because of that the New Order wasn't going to accomplish anything; or, in your case, won't change Highsec. Since then we have organized fleets that have caused hundreds of trillions worth of damage to Orcas, Freighters, mission runners, Barges/Exhumers, the standard T1/T2 hauler and various other types of ships (Frigates, pods, etc.). Not to mention that CODE. and the New Order have become so well-known that we are often times brought up in articles and other blog posts for reference, or complaints. You're some years too late. What you're saying has already been said and yet here we are. In fact, the only real difference is that we've grown since then. *Abandon all hope ye who x up in fleet*
admiral root Red Galaxy 2360	Posted - 2015.02.16 18:57:29 - [144] - Quote Intar Medris wrote: admiral root wrote: Intar Medris wrote: Afterwards ganking will decrease back down to normal levels. It won't cease to exsist but won't be nearly as prevalent as it is now. Oh, this should be good. What is your definition of "normal levels"? Tora Bushido wrote: Confirming I am a James alt too. Don't be so modest. Everyone knows James 315 is a Tora alt. Well back around 2010ish preCODE outside of Hulkegeddon getting ganked was uncommon. You hardly ever saw a -10 too in high sec, and ganking freighters was almost unheard off. Pretty much the current ganking trend for the last two years is do too bored Null sec pilots. Well that's all very nice, but where are the facts to back that up? For example, are you aware that there's actually somewhere around 0.5% chance of losing your ship for any reason, not just ganking in three of the biggest gank systems in the game (source: dotlan on numerous occasions - you'll find the exact numbers in my post history). No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff \| No-one hates you, none of us care enough for that. Sabriz for CSM
Cannibal Kane Blood Raiders Elite 4744	Posted - 2015.02.16 18:59:31 - [145] - Quote Intar Medris wrote: admiral root wrote: Intar Medris wrote: Afterwards ganking will decrease back down to normal levels. It won't cease to exsist but won't be nearly as prevalent as it is now. Oh, this should be good. What is your definition of "normal levels"? Tora Bushido wrote: Confirming I am a James alt too. Don't be so modest. Everyone knows James 315 is a Tora alt. Well back around 2010ish preCODE outside of Hulkegeddon getting ganked was uncommon. You hardly ever saw a -10 too in high sec, and ganking freighters was almost unheard off. Pretty much the current ganking trend for the last two years is do too bored Null sec pilots. Also, And please correct me if I am wrong but in fan fest 2 years ago CCP said ganking slowed down compared to previous years. The only difference now it is more advertised and people are now hitting bigger targets. "Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk
Veers Belvar Swordmasters of New Eden 508	Posted - 2015.02.17 05:45:13 - [146] - Quote Capt Starfox wrote: Veers Belvar wrote: Good try Ms. Foxxie....from the blog posts I identify at least three distinct human writers...so James is certainly not writing every day. And no, logging in to check mail and write is not playing the game. James tried bumping, tried ganking, tried running for CSM, tried fundamentally changing highsec, failed everywhere, and left the game. It's a sad tale Foxxie...and I'm worried the same will happen to you. Leave code before the stench of failure compels you to unsub. I remember years ago when carebears were saying how the New Order wasn't doing anything and how is was going to fail. I believe around this time we were camping the static ice belts, but small in numbers. The carebears were so quick to say how our efforts were meaningless for [insert carebear reason here] and because of that the New Order wasn't going to accomplish anything; or, in your case, won't change Highsec. Since then we have organized fleets that have caused hundreds of trillions worth of damage to Orcas, Freighters, mission runners, Barges/Exhumers, the standard T1/T2 hauler and various other types of ships (Frigates, pods, etc.). Not to mention that CODE. and the New Order have become so well-known that we are often times brought up in articles and other blog posts for reference, or complaints. You're some years too late. What you're saying has already been said and yet here we are. In fact, the only real difference is that we've grown since then. You didn't do anything. You blew up some pathetic miners. You griefed some noobs in ventures. You used cheap bumping tactics to kill a few freighters. Yippee ka yay yea. You have completely failed to even mildly perturb us elite mission and incursion runners. You managed to troll yourself in a staggering defeat in the AT, and now your leaders have all quit the game. Ganking some pathetic afk ships is one thing, fundamentally changing the risk/reward balance in highsec is quite another. James is gone, Loyalanon is gone, Rabe Raptor is gone, I mean you guys are really scraping the bottom of the barrel days...all you got left is Chocolate Moose guy and people with unpronounceable names. It's more like an AA support group than an elite PvP organization....kinda like the misfit football team in the "Little Giants." Ms. Foxxie...let's be real here...you gave it your all, but came up (way) short. Highsec was just too much for you. Sometimes you just gotta admit defeat, accept your place in the food chain, and move on. I'm always here if you need a shoulder to cry on.
Zepher Helen Hawat ULTRAMAR SECURITIES 38	Posted - 2015.02.17 06:15:17 - [147] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: You have completely failed to even mildly perturb us elite mission and incursion runners. Quick! Somebody get veers a bigger hat before his head gets so stuck we'll need a supercap to pull it free.
Solonius Rex F0RCED ENTRY F0RCED ENTRY. 150	Posted - 2015.02.19 16:26:50 - [148] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: Good try Ms. Foxxie....from the blog posts I identify at least three distinct human writers...so James is certainly not writing every day. And no, logging in to check mail and write is not playing the game. Even if he writes once every 3 days, thats still impressive as to the amount of content he has created. Quote: James tried bumping, tried ganking, tried running for CSM, tried fundamentally changing highsec, failed everywhere, and left the game. It's a sad tale Foxxie...and I'm worried the same will happen to you. Leave code before the stench of failure compels you to unsub. Sounds like he was succesful, though. His alt, Currin Trading, has 60 billion isk worth of damages, which is quite impressive, and still 10 times more than youve killed. His bumping started a movement that has bumped countless thousands and inflicted trillions of isk worth of damage. Hes done more than you. Far more. So if he failed, what does that make you?
Solonius Rex F0RCED ENTRY F0RCED ENTRY. 150	Posted - 2015.02.19 16:31:38 - [149] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: Capt Starfox wrote: Veers Belvar wrote: Good try Ms. Foxxie....from the blog posts I identify at least three distinct human writers...so James is certainly not writing every day. And no, logging in to check mail and write is not playing the game. James tried bumping, tried ganking, tried running for CSM, tried fundamentally changing highsec, failed everywhere, and left the game. It's a sad tale Foxxie...and I'm worried the same will happen to you. Leave code before the stench of failure compels you to unsub. I remember years ago when carebears were saying how the New Order wasn't doing anything and how is was going to fail. I believe around this time we were camping the static ice belts, but small in numbers. The carebears were so quick to say how our efforts were meaningless for [insert carebear reason here] and because of that the New Order wasn't going to accomplish anything; or, in your case, won't change Highsec. Since then we have organized fleets that have caused hundreds of trillions worth of damage to Orcas, Freighters, mission runners, Barges/Exhumers, the standard T1/T2 hauler and various other types of ships (Frigates, pods, etc.). Not to mention that CODE. and the New Order have become so well-known that we are often times brought up in articles and other blog posts for reference, or complaints. You're some years too late. What you're saying has already been said and yet here we are. In fact, the only real difference is that we've grown since then. You didn't do anything. You blew up some pathetic miners. You griefed some noobs in ventures. You used cheap bumping tactics to kill a few freighters. Yippee ka yay yea. You have completely failed to even mildly perturb us elite mission and incursion runners. You managed to troll yourself in a staggering defeat in the AT, and now your leaders have all quit the game. Ganking some pathetic afk ships is one thing, fundamentally changing the risk/reward balance in highsec is quite another. James is gone, Loyalanon is gone, Rabe Raptor is gone, I mean you guys are really scraping the bottom of the barrel days...all you got left is Chocolate Moose guy and people with unpronounceable names. It's more like an AA support group than an elite PvP organization....kinda like the misfit football team in the "Little Giants." Ms. Foxxie...let's be real here...you gave it your all, but came up (way) short. Highsec was just too much for you. Sometimes you just gotta admit defeat, accept your place in the food chain, and move on. I'm always here if you need a shoulder to cry on. Yeah, code has lost trillions of isk, while only managing to inflict a mere couple billion isk of damage. Clearly they lost. Theres no sticky GM thread regarding bumping or hyperdunking. People never complain about Code. People never constantly post threads about how they lost(i.e. you). People never constantly complain about how ganking is too easy, too frequent, should be nerfed, etc. Miners arent telling other miners to tank their ships, or fly skiffs. Industrials arent telling other industrials how to tank their freighters and industrial ships. We dont have a channel dedicated to Anti-ganking and anti-code activities. Code lost, becuase none of this is true. None of this, happened. Wait, i thought today was opposite day. My mistake.
Azov Rassau Neo CONCORD 176	Posted - 2015.03.05 10:51:38 - [150] - Quote I believe this thread deserves a bump. As an addition to the very good points made by Seraph, I highly recommend all highsec miners to check out the counter-ganking gameplay that comes from this ECM Skiff idea. It is one of the many simple examples of what can be achieved if more miners change their attitude. of course, to do this they will have to stay at keyboard and concentrate on their fun/hour, not ISK/hour. and stop whining. Play the game. If you don't like gankers, step up, HTFU and fight or avoid them. you (and they) will have fun while making highsec a better place overall.. there is a reason why most gankers are happy to see people who fight them: Fun. Concord Guy's Cousin wrote: Azov Rassau wrote: 6) Jonah Gravenstein's reaction That expression just about covers it I know right? That expression is monumental. It represents the reaction of entire C&P community to the whine threads. I hope that one day CCP will make a sculpture/monument of that expression on Esja mountains in the north of Reykjavik. No AFKing. Safety First. Use D-Scan, Check Local. Be Alert. www.GankerJamming.com Need your stuff moved? Join channel [HC] Haulers Hub or make a cool private contract to Red Frog Freight!

Jonah Gravenstein Machiavellian Space Bastards 23201	Posted - 2015.03.05 12:25:29 - [151] - Quote Azov Rassau wrote: 6) Jonah Gravenstein's reaction Yay I'm space famous, replaced the link with a better quality one "Remember, as a non-combatant, your best tank is being elsewhere." ~ Abrazzar Nil mortifi sine lucre.
Thomas Mayaki Perkone Caldari State 48	Posted - 2015.03.06 13:13:47 - [152] - Quote Always keep a few spare retrievers fully fitted because if you are ganked and don't have a replacement ship it interupts the isk making process. If the gankers are persistant switch to some procurers for a bit. PS. Remember to insure your retrievers and consider a gank an inefficient way of converting minerals to isk.
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie Brawlers Inc. 1489	Posted - 2015.03.08 00:15:41 - [153] - Quote I spent 15 minutes yesterday listening to some imbecile describe why there should be a high sec legal carrier with 2K dps, that's able to fit 6 capital remote reps with 230K ehp. I guess that might defeat code's ganking operations... New Player Placement Specialist and Scope Project FC. Contact me for a free consultation.
Haleuth The Conference Elite CODE. 13	Posted - 2015.03.08 01:33:14 - [154] - Quote Intar Medris wrote: [quote=admiral root][quote=Intar Medris] Well back around 2010ish preCODE outside of Hulkegeddon getting ganked was uncommon. You hardly ever saw a -10 too in high sec, and ganking freighters was almost unheard off. Pretty much the current ganking trend for the last two years is do too bored Null sec pilots. Incorrect Macrointel was organising ganks from 2005 onwards. Hal


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