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R Dan Infinite Improbability Inc Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.09.26 12:42:00 - [31] Edited by: R Dan on 26/09/2006 12:43:18 Originally by: Trinity Faetal it's only a matter of time before everyone else can fly command ships, and then we'll have those selling at 300mil QFT buy 'em now folks.....unless CCP do something different they'l follow the HAC I'd guess T2 BC's are still cheap because folks dont have the inclination to get all those rubbish leadership / charisma attribute skills...but I'm sure that more and more players are comming for them. as time goes on the price for T2 BCs will rise just as HACS did..... I fly both, and I really like my sleipnir....but its my vagabond that does it for me :D fantastic ship...I've managed to keep it for a very long time - not way i could afford to replace it if i lost it. and for this reason I'm sorry to say that I put stabs on it a couple of weeks ago I took them off soon after...but the memory of willingly putting wcs on a combat ship haunts me still...... people say "fly a munnin" -its not the same a sleipnir? - its a great ship, but not the same..... a jag/wolf - dont make me laugh. Only other ship i particualrly like is the Cerberus......again, i wont be replacing that if i lose mine. I'm specialised in cruisers... I dont have any T2 large gun skills.... but I'm going to have trouble affording the ones i want before long :'( I will save you, but make sure you bring beer - Wrangler and cAKe - Imaran I thought it was bREe, omgi'mgivingawaymodroomsecwetsftl - Cortes when come back ... bring PIE. Me like PIE. -Capsicum
Crux Australis	Posted - 2006.09.26 13:27:00 - [32] Edited by: Crux Australis on 26/09/2006 13:28:33 I bought my last vaga in november 2005. When I lost it I looked on the market and the price was (well) above 100M. Which is not what I was willing to pay for a (non insurable) pvp cruiser. So I stopped buying them. Do I miss my vaga? Hell yes. Can I live without it? Ofc I can. What really buggers me is the 20+ days that I spent for training HAC 5. If I could have seen HACs going to cost a quarter of a billion in some months I would have used my training time more wisely. Oh, and once again, the T2 lottery is a ******* joke. But this is an oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooold argument.
Valea Silpha Cereal Killerz Chimaera Pact	Posted - 2006.09.26 13:37:00 - [33] I think anyone whose taken the time to train for HACs would like the prices to drop. That said, they shouldn't be cheap. If any BPOs are attached to character which are no longer active, then it would be nice to see something done about it (no idea what, just something) so that at least HAC production is at its max potential. The industrial corps that own the BPOs make a lot of money from them, which is as it should be. Without those corps making their big slice of cake, they wouldn't be in a position to fuel the economy as they are doing, especially with the real inability to make realistic profits on any t1 products. War-like corps would love to be able to buy their ships and replace their losses at cost price, but then that would remove a lot of risk factor from using them. So, either suck it up and pay the price, or fly something else. Simple enough really. Personally i find that cruiser 5 and t2 med guns on regular cruisers can be very pwning even without strapping morphite to the hull. <Hammerhead> TomB is doing the nerfing <Hammerhead> I just stand behind him, look at his monitor and shake my head
Reto The Last Resort	Posted - 2006.09.26 13:51:00 - [34] Edited by: Reto on 26/09/2006 13:52:30 i didnt train for hacs yet even if i could done it so 20 times...i fly my battlecruisers and i am happy with it . it costs 1/3 (3 fully tII fitted bc = 1 tII fitted hac) of a hacs price and is as efficient as hacs and sometimes is even more deadly to my opponent. if hacs would cost less than 100 mil i would train for em but for now i dont see any valid reason to fly a hac over a bc. agility is maybe a factor but still the sheer dmg potential and tank makes it more than reasonable to buy a bc. Originally by: s4mp3r0r "Hey man, you're mom has a cruise missile".
OozoO Caldari Decadence. Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.09.26 14:44:00 - [35] I don't understand that whole HAC hype anyway, insurance-consired you can pop a hell lot of battleships for that price. I saw people wasting their HACs in the most stupid pvp situations - that happens, so I stick with my raven and my wallet is not in any harm
Galen Silas Gallente Digital assassins	Posted - 2006.09.26 14:57:00 - [36] i will say this is rediculous, over 200 mil for an ishtar in the Metropolis region, that isnt just trying to make a profit thats just being a major A**wipe about selling them, to people who overcharge on the hacs i dont think people should buy from them, force them to lower there prices.
Eleis Machuron	Posted - 2006.09.26 15:22:00 - [37] I doubt that Invention will have much of an affect on HAS market prices. Most reverse-engineered ships will be built for personal consumption, and if any go on the market they will be quickly snapped up by resellers or even the HAS BPO owners themselves in order to float the price of their commodity.
Toku Katayama	Posted - 2006.09.26 15:45:00 - [38] Another issue I have is, why can't we insure these ships? I mean if i'm going to pay 200mil ISK, I'd like to know that if it got blown up in pvp that I could at least get some insurance compensation to go buy another one. This needs to be addressed probably on all tech II ships.
Tennotsukai Minmatar Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.09.26 15:57:00 - [39] Originally by: Toku Katayama Another issue I have is, why can't we insure these ships? I mean if i'm going to pay 200mil ISK, I'd like to know that if it got blown up in pvp that I could at least get some insurance compensation to go buy another one. This needs to be addressed probably on all tech II ships. Unfortunatly the insurance payout for t2 ships is some what correct as it goes by the base value of the ship. The downside is that no-one sells T2 ships for their base value. Originally by: Tar Kovsky I hear the "M" in "MC" stands for "Mercenary" and the "C" stands for "Cash up front".
MOS DEF Celestial Fleet Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.09.26 16:39:00 - [40] If invention isn't totally messed up this problem should be solved very soon. HACs will never be cheap ships to fly but the days of 200 or even 300 mill hacs are counted.

Jet Collins Dynamic Endeavors	Posted - 2006.09.26 16:53:00 - [41] I have not bought a HAC in well over a year now. When did get mine I only paid about 35 mil. as for this forume been tried before. Sure some people might stop buying them to drop the price but as soon as they drop even close to 200mil other will buy and drive the price back up. There is always some one who has the cash to blow :). No I do not have a Vaga, I would love to have one but I do not need one so I will not buy one. Hopefully Kali will hook me up with a cheap BPC or something
Trev Kachanov Sha Kharn Corp Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.09.26 17:35:00 - [42] Originally by: Viktoria Maher Sounds like a good opportunity to increase supply and make yourself a fortune in the process... you can't increase supply the amount of bpo's in circulation is fixed, demand constantly increases and occaisonally bpos get locked in conquerable stations or people who own the bpo's just stop playing. so if anything supply is decreasing over time
Nathan Grey Gallente Aurora Empire Fuzzy Nut Attack Squirrels	Posted - 2006.09.27 06:09:00 - [43] Automated Response: HAC prices are controlled by SUPPLY and DEMAND. The SUPPLY is regulated by the number of BPOs, which is effectively CONSTANT. DEMAND is INCREASING as more players are able to afford and fly a HAC. To this end, the PRICE POINT is INCREASING and the SUPPLY is split up between more players, who are obviously having a harder time of buying their ships. If you REALLY want a HAC, put up a buy order for one in Jita and hope someone fills it. An order priced above the average may even do the trick. In the meantime, FFS, stop whining about the way the game has turned out. HAC prices are controlled by the players and not by CCP. They created the mechanics and let the players run around in the sandbox. Personally, I fly recon ships. I find that 45M for a T2 cruiser is sufficiently low to grab two or three and fly w/ my corpmates for fun. ---------------------------------- Industrialist. I build it. You buy it. You break it and buy another one. Market domination through ingue ferrogue. (I did this and could have stopped it.)
Tasty Burger	Posted - 2006.09.27 16:03:00 - [44] Originally by: Nathan Grey Automated Response: HAC prices are controlled by SUPPLY and DEMAND. The SUPPLY is regulated by the number of BPOs, which is effectively CONSTANT. DEMAND is INCREASING as more players are able to afford and fly a HAC. To this end, the PRICE POINT is INCREASING and the SUPPLY is split up between more players, who are obviously having a harder time of buying their ships. You idiot. You're just stating the obvious, and that is EXACTLY WHAT EVERYONE WANTS FIXED. 20 total BPO's for t2 ships is ******* RIDICULOUS. It should be 100+ each. Build times should be reduced. Its nuts.
Godar Marak Amarr Return Of Red Dawn	Posted - 2006.09.27 16:07:00 - [45] To be honest I dont see why anyone would buy a hac over a battleship when you can a) Have more freedom in terms of setup on a battleship b) Battleship is cheaper c) Battleship can do 'almost' as much damage (if not more, depending on race) d) Better innsurance The hac BPO owners says hac's are expensice because 'they are not ment for everyone' and this is correct. They are only ment for suckers.
Bazman Caldari The Establishment Establishment	Posted - 2006.09.27 16:08:00 - [46] Well, what if you can get HAC's at near build cost? Har har! Cheap Vagabonds for me! /swish ----- Hi TUXFORD! Blasterboat for tier 3 Gallente battleship please! Make it look cool too. Thanks. I am a Gallente Whiner. Minmatar Whining is currently in training.
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2006.09.27 16:09:00 - [47] Originally by: Nathan Grey im a n00b who dont get anything Yes you are. Dark Shikari>Death Kill, saying that anime is a fetish makes you racist.
Liet Traep Minmatar Black Lance Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.09.27 17:07:00 - [48] Edited by: Liet Traep on 27/09/2006 17:07:04 Originally by: Godar Marak To be honest I dont see why anyone would buy a hac over a battleship The hac BPO owners says hac's are expensice because 'they are not ment for everyone' and this is correct. They are only ment for suckers. I edited your comments to the parts I wanted to address. First why are HACs not for everyone who wants to fly them? I've never liked battleships. I rarely fly them. I don't enjoy them and don't find them fun. And we already have other rare ships for the status seekers. Faction ships like the ashimmu or rattlesnake for example. Or even rarer ones like the imperial apoc or silver magnate. If someone wants to chase status and collect uber ships let them collect those. As for the t2 ship builders. I don't feel for those wallets. I know several eve billionaires who make their isk mining, ratting, doing npc missions. So they have options. The current t2 lottery system is probably the most unfair, unmitigated pile of steaming crap i've ever seen. "Here we have 30,000 players. We'll release this new uber ship. One for every race , but only 20 bpos! 80 players instantly get rich without leaving their hangars and the rest of populace are forced to buy from them! Isn't this great!" The t2 lottery only works for you if you get lucky and land a bpo or you're friends with someone who did and hooks you up. But in general the system is complete ass.
Coran Ordus Ominous Corp Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2006.09.27 17:27:00 - [49] Originally by: Trev Kachanov Originally by: Viktoria Maher Sounds like a good opportunity to increase supply and make yourself a fortune in the process... you can't increase supply the amount of bpo's in circulation is fixed, demand constantly increases and occaisonally bpos get locked in conquerable stations or people who own the bpo's just stop playing. so if anything supply is decreasing over time Devs have stated that they keep a close watch on the BPOs and will re-seed if one becomes noticably unused. So I don't think that's the problem. Considering that they can re-add BPOs into the lottery at any time (since they can repopulate lost/inactive ones), we have to ask why they haven't. 1) They've acknowledged it's kind of unfair to hand out huge cash prizes like that. The lottery idea just didn't work out. Invention should address this somewhat, by giving more people smaller capacity to build T2 items. 2) Maybe they want to keep things rare. Given the uninsurable nature of the ships, you're putting a lot of money down for an advantage. If they were common, you wouldn't have an advantage, for one. And two, everyone who didn't have one would now be at a disadvantage. If you're new, you're toast in 0.0/low sec until you grind away at those HAC skills.
Sebai Hana	Posted - 2006.09.27 17:46:00 - [50] I would buy HAC over BS anyday, I just make sure I can afford it. I think teh prices are high but heck, I can live with them. It also makes me more exited when I fight because of price. Sebai Hana goes to buy Commandships before prices rises. Quote: So you think you are good? I <3 Minm.



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