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Ciaphas Khaine
Caldari
Yesodic Nomads Corp
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2006.09.26 02:20:00 -
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now if im like everyone else, and im fairly certain i am, then you are all just as ****ed off as i am that i need to pay 200 mil for a hac! wtf? those greedy industrail bastards have inflated the prices like 10,000%! i say we make a stand. NO ONE BUY A HAC untill they drop the prices on HACS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDOMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
IN THE FAR FLUNG FUTURE OF EVE THERE IS ONLY.... WARRRR |
Liet Traep
Minmatar
Black Lance
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.09.26 02:27:00 -
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I haven't bought a zealot since they jumped over 100 million. I fly command ships. they're cheaper and do more damage.
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DubanFP
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.09.26 02:28:00 -
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lol, they're only so pricy cause everyone wants them, you want people to stop buying them so prices will drop and y ou can get em cheaper :-), nice plan.
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Idara
Caldari
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.26 02:32:00 -
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I got my stock before the prices went insane, 60-70m per. I'll be keeping them for a while. 
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Azerrad InExile
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Posted - 2006.09.26 02:46:00 -
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I'm not even training for HACs...
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Viktoria Maher
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Posted - 2006.09.26 02:57:00 -
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Sounds like a good opportunity to increase supply and make yourself a fortune in the process...
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Vaslav Tchitcherine
Jericho Fraction
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Posted - 2006.09.26 03:25:00 -
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Would anyone like some tinfoil hats?
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OhMyGodess
Caldari
Xenobytes
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.09.26 04:42:00 -
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 Originally by: Ciaphas Khaine
now if im like everyone else, and im fairly certain i am, then you are all just as ****ed off as i am that i need to pay 200 mil for a hac! wtf? those greedy industrail bastards have inflated the prices like 10,000%! i say we make a stand. NO ONE BUY A HAC untill they drop the prices on HACS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDOMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
well mkay, my word 
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Grim Starwind
Devils collective
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Posted - 2006.09.26 04:46:00 -
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they are actually that expensive because only a few corps/alliances/people heheheh.. can actually build them which means they can raise the price all they want, and people do still buy them which makes it even better. AND no one can get to get the BPO's because alliances and the likes protect them and no one can get to them.
Put it this way, if individuals stop buying them.. then the alliances and whatever than can actually build them will be the only people flying them and giving us all the finger. But yeah, I don't buy them because they are so damn expensive either.. go for combat recon, they are slightly cheaper... 
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Graalum
Foundation
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Posted - 2006.09.26 05:12:00 -
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Several bpos are in private use, others are in the hands of inactive characters. Rumor has it that several cerberus bpo's are in the hands of characters that are no longer active.
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Anpi
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.09.26 05:18:00 -
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Originally by: Graalum
Several bpos are in private use, others are in the hands of inactive characters. Rumor has it that several cerberus bpo's are in the hands of characters that are no longer active.
Most likely not. It's just that most of the players are actually playing caldari, in caldari space and doing missions in their Cerberus'es.
This is the way it is with all of the ships. We have just as many Cerberus BPO's as we have Zealots, but there are lot more Caldari pilots out there. None of the BPO's are balanced in accordance to demand, and therefore the whole supply vs. demand-fight is pretty loopsided...
ah well. I won't buy a Cerberus or Vagabond at least. Still hoping for some more BPO's and reverse engineering to make the market in EVE a bit more sane some day.
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Hydrian Alante
The Loot Company
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Posted - 2006.09.26 06:51:00 -
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Same here.
I donŠt train for them and I donŠt buy them if they are such expensive.
IŠm a patient man and can wait for Revelations were the prices truly shpuld drop like hell or I`m going to build one by myself.
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Noriath
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Posted - 2006.09.26 06:58:00 -
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Originally by: DubanFP
lol, they're only so pricy cause everyone wants them, [...]
More like because only a few people who didn't do anything to deserve free money for life and the ultra wealthy who can buy BPOs are allowed to manufacture them.
Artificial monopoly ftl.
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Crellion
Art of War
Cult of War
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Posted - 2006.09.26 07:00:00 -
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Nobody rly uses HACs anymore in pvp anyways.
Exceptions:
Eagles cause they have kept the prices reasonable.
Cerbs cause there is no alternative the Nighthawk being so useless (to be fixed when the new Caldari tier 2 BC comes out)
Vagas cause they are unique (might be fixed with tier 2 BC)
Also Kali brings some changes to scientific carebearing that will probably also help.
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LUKEC
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.09.26 07:05:00 -
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nobody use 425mm railguns II please... so i can buy them cheap:)
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Jazz Bo
Caldari
Celestial Apocalypse
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Posted - 2006.09.26 07:08:00 -
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That, and the fact that there are a lot more people playing this game than when they first came out = too much demand, too little supply.
The priciest are the ones that people claim are "uber" like the Vaga and Ishtar, or the ones that are used by mission runners who want to stand out from the crowd (Cerberus).
I haven't bought one since the early days (when Ishtars were 45m!). Or well, I did buy a Vagabond for 220m to try out... sold it for 270m less than two weeks later.
I'll be waiting for Kali to see if the prices change before I buy another.
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.09.26 07:56:00 -
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Cant afford it? Use sub-T2 ships. It isnt that a Rifter cant kill a Crow. 
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.09.26 08:18:00 -
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I'd love it if everyone stopped buying hacs. Then I could pick up a few.
However, you seem to be making the assumption that the HAC producers are ripping you off.
No, they're not. The price is high, because that's what people are prepared to pay. As more become prepared to pay ludicrous amounts, the price escalates higher still.
Ships are where it's most obvious, as there's no real T1 alternative. The modules where T2 is 'better' than T1 spike in price. Those where there's a T1 that's as good, are pricey, but fairly stable.
*shrug* T2 is an edge, but it's not essential. Well, except in the case of covert ships, interdictors or T2 guns.
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Alex Harumichi
Gallente
Gradient
Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2006.09.26 08:27:00 -
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Edited by: Alex Harumichi on 26/09/2006 08:30:21
Edited by: Alex Harumichi on 26/09/2006 08:28:06
Well, the alternative is to go for the less popular (and yes, sometimes this means "less good") t2 ships. Eagles are still reasonable in many places, as are Sacreliges and Munnins. In any category, if you avoid the "best ship" bandwagon you can find some other almost-as-good ships, which can work very well if you spend some time on the skills and fittings.
Going for command ships is another path, though that takes serious skill training.
I'm a big fan of the Lachesis nowadays. Cheap, solid pvp ship that's absolutely evil in a small gang. Rooks & Falcons cost 3x more. Are they 3x better? Hell no.
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Android Mindslave
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2006.09.26 08:36:00 -
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Given how much those BPOs sell for, I don't think they could lower the price if they wanted to.
If you layed out a few bil with a zero tacked on the end, you can't be lowering prices to anywhere near a reasonable level.
Invention will be interesting. Either it will lower prices, or it will let ppl that do science get a whole heck of a lot of money.
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oniplE
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Posted - 2006.09.26 08:38:00 -
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ok i wont buy them, atleast not untill i have enough skills to fly them :)
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Naldo
Caldari
Yesodic Nomads Corp
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2006.09.26 10:37:00 -
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Originally by: Ciaphas Khaine
now if im like everyone else, and im fairly certain i am, then you are all just as ****ed off as i am that i need to pay 200 mil for a hac! wtf? those greedy industrail bastards have inflated the prices like 10,000%! i say we make a stand. NO ONE BUY A HAC untill they drop the prices on HACS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDOMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
I love my HAC's though.
Not that I can even afford a tech I cruiser at the moment. 
Please send me iskies!
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Sovereign533
Caldari
133rd Ghost Wing
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Posted - 2006.09.26 10:46:00 -
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supply and demand... that says all...
demand is high, supply is low... prices go up... basic marketing...
but i hope Kali will change this... and i could get my own Eagle/Cerberus/Zealot bp's... not really to sell the ships... but to use them myself...
Second sig removed, only 1 signature graphic please - Xorus
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Ozzie Asrail
FATAL REVELATIONS
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.09.26 10:56:00 -
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Originally by: Android Mindslave
Given how much those BPOs sell for, I don't think they could lower the price if they wanted to.
If you layed out a few bil with a zero tacked on the end, you can't be lowering prices to anywhere near a reasonable level.
Invention will be interesting. Either it will lower prices, or it will let ppl that do science get a whole heck of a lot of money.
Thats sort of true. By a cerb or vaga BPO for 70bil (thats cheap i think) and you'd need to sell 280 @ 250mil each to make that isk back. At 5 per week your talking 56 weeks to pay back the BPO.
Almost a 1 year old player here and i've not even bothered training for HAC's yet. Lets see how Invention changes things, might actually bother with them after kali.
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Al Thorr
Caldari
The Wheel
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Posted - 2006.09.26 11:08:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Cant afford it? Use sub-T2 ships. It isnt that a Rifter cant kill a Crow.
QFT.
The devs have stated that they wont give the HAC builders extra skills to increase supply. So I can imagine it will get worse before it gets 'better'.
People said that when T2 BCs came that HAC prices were going to drop. they didnt.
And people believe with the onset of Kali s Invention ( assuming it happens) that HAC prices will drop. I seriously doubt that the price fall will be that significant in the short term.
Any way back to doing stuff.
Regards
Al Thorr
"You cant polish a turd" - The new rendered font is living proof.
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Spaced Skunk
Yesodic Nomads Corp
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Posted - 2006.09.26 11:31:00 -
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Edited by: Spaced Skunk on 26/09/2006 11:31:58
I am not suprised people use stabs on there vagabond's tbh  at 270-300M, and you have my word I wont buy one till the price sits around 100M again. Vagabonds die to easily tbh to be that price.
The lottery system CCP implemented was silly to start with in my opinion. In Kali I hope to see more t2 blueprints. I wouldnt mind seeing them seeded.
[EDIT] When I lose my current Vagabond that is :D
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.09.26 11:41:00 -
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Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 26/09/2006 11:41:51
Originally by: Spaced Skunk
I am not suprised people use stabs on there vagabond's tbh at 270-300M, and you have my word I wont buy one till the price sits around 100M again.
Dont know where you get your sources but they are still easily sold for 300M.
I sell Vagabond at 300M a ship. 100M deposit, you can pay me 200M on escrow when you collect them. Not negotiable.
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Colonel Branigain
E Systems
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Posted - 2006.09.26 11:54:00 -
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You can always try joining a corp/alliance that produces hacs you are interested in flying.. good luck with that. It may be about the only way you get a hac at a low price.
I buy cerebus's from one guy, because he has a good reputation with peeps I know/trust and comes highly recommended.
You can sometimes find such folks by asking around, make friends with folks who produce t2 ship components and see if you can't find out who they supply to.
failing those options you can jump in a command ship and have as much fun really.
Just my opinion, flame away
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Liet Traep
Minmatar
Black Lance
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.09.26 11:59:00 -
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The problems is not with HAC builders. There are only so many bpo's and they an't make hacs any faster than 1 every 36 hours even if they wanted to.
THE FAULT IS CCP's. Repeat after me. THE FAULT IS CCP's. They're the ones who had the great idea to release a limited number of bpos randomly. They're the ones who have NEVER increased the supply of available bpos even though the player base has grown gigantically.
Officer and factions ships and mods are the rare items you can only get if you're very lucky or buy them from another player. You find a faction spawn and get a pirate implant or get a faction bpc you feel lucky and have a sense of accomplishment.
T2 ITEMS SHOULD NOT BE RARE. If I spend 2 months to train for a ******* HAC I should be able to buy a ******* HAC. If I want to hunt down rare and flashy items and show 1337 I am that's what faction stuff is for.
It's not the producers fault. There are only so many BPO's. And they're going to take care of their needs and their corpies and alliance mates first. Fact of life. I remember when Khatred put hacs for sale at a reasonable price. People would immediately buy them up and put them back on the market at an increased price.
The demand is much higher than the supply. AND CCP HAS NEVER ADDRESSED THE SUPPLY. I'm typing in caps for a reason. I'm ****ed at the situation.
I'm a cruiser pilot. I hate flying a bs. I'd much rather fly the neat HACS and Command Ships. It's my preference and those are the ships I may my couple bucks a month to play. I stopped buying HACs a year ago because I got priced out of the market. At the rate I lose ships I can't afford to keep replacing HACs. This is a game. I shouldn't have to worry about being priced out of the market for my favorite ships.
If I thought it would make a difference I'd encourage everyone to file a petition to CCP everyday that HAC prices are too high and supply is too low. If I thought CCP woukld do anything about the situation and not just ban people.
The last time I got riled up about this very issue I haunted every HAC price thread and did my best to keep them all on the front page for days til CCP announced in a dev blog that reverse engineering would help ease the supply problems. Well it's several months later, I have no clue when Kali is being released and I still can't afford to buy a ******* zealot. T2 market in this game is one of the most frustrating and boneheaded things about Eve. Remove the stupid t2 BPO lottery system and remove the frustration of POS warfare and this game would be so much more enjoyable.
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Trinity Faetal
Gallente
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.09.26 12:05:00 -
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it's only a matter of time before everyone else can fly command ships, and then we'll have those selling at 300mil
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R Dan
Infinite Improbability Inc
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.09.26 12:42:00 -
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Edited by: R Dan on 26/09/2006 12:43:18
Originally by: Trinity Faetal
it's only a matter of time before everyone else can fly command ships, and then we'll have those selling at 300mil
QFT
buy 'em now folks.....unless CCP do something different they'l follow the HAC
I'd guess T2 BC's are still cheap because folks dont have the inclination to get all those rubbish leadership / charisma attribute skills...but I'm sure that more and more players are comming for them. as time goes on the price for T2 BCs will rise just as HACS did.....
I fly both, and I really like my sleipnir....but its my vagabond that does it for me :D fantastic ship...I've managed to keep it for a very long time - not way i could afford to replace it if i lost it.
and for this reason I'm sorry to say that I put stabs on it a couple of weeks ago  I took them off soon after...but the memory of willingly putting wcs on a combat ship haunts me still......
people say "fly a munnin" -its not the same
a sleipnir? - its a great ship, but not the same.....
a jag/wolf - dont make me laugh.
Only other ship i particualrly like is the Cerberus......again, i wont be replacing that if i lose mine.
I'm specialised in cruisers... I dont have any T2 large gun skills.... but I'm going to have trouble affording the ones i want before long :'(
I will save you, but make sure you bring beer - Wrangler
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Crux Australis
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Posted - 2006.09.26 13:27:00 -
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Edited by: Crux Australis on 26/09/2006 13:28:33
I bought my last vaga in november 2005.
When I lost it I looked on the market and the price was (well) above 100M.
Which is not what I was willing to pay for a (non insurable) pvp cruiser.
So I stopped buying them.
Do I miss my vaga?
Hell yes.
Can I live without it?
Ofc I can.
What really buggers me is the 20+ days that I spent for training HAC 5.
If I could have seen HACs going to cost a quarter of a billion in some months I would have used my training time more wisely.
Oh, and once again, the T2 lottery is a ******* joke.
But this is an oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooold argument.
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Valea Silpha
Cereal Killerz
Chimaera Pact
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Posted - 2006.09.26 13:37:00 -
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I think anyone whose taken the time to train for HACs would like the prices to drop. That said, they shouldn't be cheap.
If any BPOs are attached to character which are no longer active, then it would be nice to see something done about it (no idea what, just something) so that at least HAC production is at its max potential.
The industrial corps that own the BPOs make a lot of money from them, which is as it should be. Without those corps making their big slice of cake, they wouldn't be in a position to fuel the economy as they are doing, especially with the real inability to make realistic profits on any t1 products.
War-like corps would love to be able to buy their ships and replace their losses at cost price, but then that would remove a lot of risk factor from using them.
So, either suck it up and pay the price, or fly something else. Simple enough really. Personally i find that cruiser 5 and t2 med guns on regular cruisers can be very pwning even without strapping morphite to the hull.
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Reto
The Last Resort
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Posted - 2006.09.26 13:51:00 -
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Edited by: Reto on 26/09/2006 13:52:30
i didnt train for hacs yet even if i could done it so 20 times...i fly my battlecruisers and i am happy with it  . it costs 1/3 (3 fully tII fitted bc = 1 tII fitted hac) of a hacs price and is as efficient as hacs and sometimes is even more deadly to my opponent. if hacs would cost less than 100 mil i would train for em but for now i dont see any valid reason to fly a hac over a bc. agility is maybe a factor but still the sheer dmg potential and tank makes it more than reasonable to buy a bc.
Originally by: s4mp3r0r
"Hey man, you're mom has a cruise missile".
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OozoO
Caldari
Decadence.
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.09.26 14:44:00 -
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I don't understand that whole HAC hype anyway, insurance-consired you can pop a hell lot of battleships for that price. I saw people wasting their HACs in the most stupid pvp situations - that happens, so I stick with my raven and my wallet is not in any harm
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Galen Silas
Gallente
Digital assassins
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Posted - 2006.09.26 14:57:00 -
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i will say this is rediculous, over 200 mil for an ishtar in the Metropolis region, that isnt just trying to make a profit thats just being a major A**wipe about selling them, to people who overcharge on the hacs i dont think people should buy from them, force them to lower there prices. 
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Eleis Machuron
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Posted - 2006.09.26 15:22:00 -
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I doubt that Invention will have much of an affect on HAS market prices. Most reverse-engineered ships will be built for personal consumption, and if any go on the market they will be quickly snapped up by resellers or even the HAS BPO owners themselves in order to float the price of their commodity.
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Toku Katayama
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Posted - 2006.09.26 15:45:00 -
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Another issue I have is, why can't we insure these ships? I mean if i'm going to pay 200mil ISK, I'd like to know that if it got blown up in pvp that I could at least get some insurance compensation to go buy another one. This needs to be addressed probably on all tech II ships.
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Tennotsukai
Minmatar
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.09.26 15:57:00 -
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Originally by: Toku Katayama
Another issue I have is, why can't we insure these ships? I mean if i'm going to pay 200mil ISK, I'd like to know that if it got blown up in pvp that I could at least get some insurance compensation to go buy another one. This needs to be addressed probably on all tech II ships.
Unfortunatly the insurance payout for t2 ships is some what correct as it goes by the base value of the ship. The downside is that no-one sells T2 ships for their base value.
Originally by: Tar Kovsky
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MOS DEF
Celestial Fleet
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.09.26 16:39:00 -
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If invention isn't totally messed up this problem should be solved very soon.
HACs will never be cheap ships to fly but the days of 200 or even 300 mill hacs are counted.
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Jet Collins
Dynamic Endeavors
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Posted - 2006.09.26 16:53:00 -
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I have not bought a HAC in well over a year now. When did get mine I only paid about 35 mil.
as for this forume been tried before. Sure some people might stop buying them to drop the price but as soon as they drop even close to 200mil other will buy and drive the price back up. There is always some one who has the cash to blow :).
No I do not have a Vaga, I would love to have one but I do not need one so I will not buy one. Hopefully Kali will hook me up with a cheap BPC or something
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Trev Kachanov
Sha Kharn Corp
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.09.26 17:35:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Viktoria Maher
Sounds like a good opportunity to increase supply and make yourself a fortune in the process...
you can't increase supply the amount of bpo's in circulation is fixed, demand constantly increases and occaisonally bpos get locked in conquerable stations or people who own the bpo's just stop playing. so if anything supply is decreasing over time
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Nathan Grey
Gallente
Aurora Empire
Fuzzy Nut Attack Squirrels
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Posted - 2006.09.27 06:09:00 -
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Automated Response: HAC prices are controlled by SUPPLY and DEMAND. The SUPPLY is regulated by the number of BPOs, which is effectively CONSTANT. DEMAND is INCREASING as more players are able to afford and fly a HAC. To this end, the PRICE POINT is INCREASING and the SUPPLY is split up between more players, who are obviously having a harder time of buying their ships.
If you REALLY want a HAC, put up a buy order for one in Jita and hope someone fills it. An order priced above the average may even do the trick.
In the meantime, FFS, stop whining about the way the game has turned out. HAC prices are controlled by the *players* and *not by CCP*. They created the mechanics and let the players run around in the sandbox.
Personally, I fly recon ships. I find that 45M for a T2 cruiser is sufficiently low to grab two or three and fly w/ my corpmates for fun.
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Tasty Burger
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Posted - 2006.09.27 16:03:00 -
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Originally by: Nathan Grey
Automated Response: HAC prices are controlled by SUPPLY and DEMAND. The SUPPLY is regulated by the number of BPOs, which is effectively CONSTANT. DEMAND is INCREASING as more players are able to afford and fly a HAC. To this end, the PRICE POINT is INCREASING and the SUPPLY is split up between more players, who are obviously having a harder time of buying their ships.
You idiot. You're just stating the obvious, and that is EXACTLY WHAT EVERYONE WANTS FIXED.
20 total BPO's for t2 ships is ******* RIDICULOUS. It should be 100+ each. Build times should be reduced. Its nuts.
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Godar Marak
Amarr
Return Of Red Dawn
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Posted - 2006.09.27 16:07:00 -
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To be honest I dont see why anyone would buy a hac over a battleship when you can
a) Have more freedom in terms of setup on a battleship
b) Battleship is cheaper
c) Battleship can do 'almost' as much damage (if not more, depending on race)
d) Better innsurance
The hac BPO owners says hac's are expensice because 'they are not ment for everyone' and this is correct.
They are only ment for suckers.
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Bazman
Caldari
The Establishment
Establishment
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Posted - 2006.09.27 16:08:00 -
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Well, what if you can get HAC's at near build cost?
Har har! Cheap Vagabonds for me! /swish
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Death Kill
Caldari
direkte
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Posted - 2006.09.27 16:09:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Nathan Grey
im a n00b who dont get anything
Yes you are.
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Liet Traep
Minmatar
Black Lance
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.09.27 17:07:00 -
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Edited by: Liet Traep on 27/09/2006 17:07:04
Originally by: Godar Marak
To be honest I dont see why anyone would buy a hac over a battleship
The hac BPO owners says hac's are expensice because 'they are not ment for everyone' and this is correct.
They are only ment for suckers.
I edited your comments to the parts I wanted to address.
First why are HACs not for everyone who wants to fly them? I've never liked battleships. I rarely fly them. I don't enjoy them and don't find them fun. And we already have other rare ships for the status seekers. Faction ships like the ashimmu or rattlesnake for example. Or even rarer ones like the imperial apoc or silver magnate. If someone wants to chase status and collect uber ships let them collect those.
As for the t2 ship builders. I don't feel for those wallets. I know several eve billionaires who make their isk mining, ratting, doing npc missions. So they have options. The current t2 lottery system is probably the most unfair, unmitigated pile of steaming crap i've ever seen. "Here we have 30,000 players. We'll release this new uber ship. One for every race , but only 20 bpos! 80 players instantly get rich without leaving their hangars and the rest of populace are forced to buy from them! Isn't this great!" The t2 lottery only works for you if you get lucky and land a bpo or you're friends with someone who did and hooks you up. But in general the system is complete ass.
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Coran Ordus
Ominous Corp
Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2006.09.27 17:27:00 -
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Originally by: Trev Kachanov
Originally by: Viktoria Maher
Sounds like a good opportunity to increase supply and make yourself a fortune in the process...
you can't increase supply the amount of bpo's in circulation is fixed, demand constantly increases and occaisonally bpos get locked in conquerable stations or people who own the bpo's just stop playing. so if anything supply is decreasing over time
Devs have stated that they keep a close watch on the BPOs and will re-seed if one becomes noticably unused. So I don't think that's the problem.
Considering that they can re-add BPOs into the lottery at any time (since they can repopulate lost/inactive ones), we have to ask why they haven't.
1) They've acknowledged it's kind of unfair to hand out huge cash prizes like that. The lottery idea just didn't work out. Invention should address this somewhat, by giving more people smaller capacity to build T2 items.
2) Maybe they want to keep things rare. Given the uninsurable nature of the ships, you're putting a lot of money down for an advantage. If they were common, you wouldn't have an advantage, for one. And two, everyone who didn't have one would now be at a disadvantage. If you're new, you're toast in 0.0/low sec until you grind away at those HAC skills. |
Sebai Hana
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Posted - 2006.09.27 17:46:00 -
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I would buy HAC over BS anyday, I just make sure I can afford it.
I think teh prices are high but heck, I can live with them. It also makes me more exited when I fight because of price.
Sebai Hana goes to buy Commandships before prices rises.
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