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Ficti0n FireTech Imperium Alliance	Posted - 2006.09.26 17:52:00 - [1] That some alliances are becoming too big, powerful and more importantly RICH to conquer now? I mean some complexes are churing out aournd 6 billion a day for some alliances. This is a LOT of isk, even for 0.0 alliances. Alliances are already building massive I-win Buttons (ie Titans). Do you think in the rest of eve's life alliances like this will ever disintergrate/be overthrown? I think we all know what type of alliances im refering to. Alliances such as BoB and ASCN. This is not meant to be a flame post, and hopefully wont become one, I just want to see other peoples opinions on this. Ficti0n
Ryas Nia Minmatar Stormriders	Posted - 2006.09.26 18:02:00 - [2] Take a look at the titan stats, its nothing more than floating large POS. There is no I-Win button in Eve, the titan will make some things simpler but it will not turn ASCN into a solo empire, i think the hundreds of BS's and other ships are what do that :P Rather than point out the problem come up with a solution before posting it will help you and other understand the problem.
sableye principle of motion R i s e	Posted - 2006.09.26 18:03:00 - [3] reasons some of these alliances are so powerful is there good leadership that works there arses off only way I see most fo them falling apart is a full war between two of them or there leadership leaves and gets bored and theres no one else to step up to the plate but this has always been the case anyway if you ask me.
Ficti0n FireTech Imperium Alliance	Posted - 2006.09.26 18:04:00 - [4] Originally by: Ryas Nia Rather than point out the problem come up with a solution before posting it will help you and other understand the problem. Well I wouldnt have started a debate if I knew both sides of the argument or a "solution" as you put it. Then whole point in this thread is to understand the problem better.
Jobie Thickburger Gallente Intergalactic Mining	Posted - 2006.09.26 18:05:00 - [5] Its defanatly something I've been worring about. BOB, ASCN, LV... All three of these have me worried, But in the end, they too will fall. Sure, they are to big to be out right conqured, but that will change. Shoot, its about like the world is right now... The politics of the area look a lot like the world today. BOB = China Big, Powerful, and just waiting on the right time to pounce ASCN = USA, Big, Rich, and friends with a lot of people The Coalalition = EU, Smaller powers, but combined to be a fairly powerful force. If ya look, the big wars atm are the ones going between the smaller powers, In my realm, I see things like the U'K war and the recent CVA war. You also have the Goonies up in the north. All this kinda falls into the way the middle east is today, smaller groups fighting with eachother. Eventually, Someone will tick someone else off, and All heck will break loose. For example, didn't the Fountain alliance have the same reputation before BoB formed and whiped em out? How about IRON and -G-? Even the Roman empire fell after so long. His Planetship, CEO, IM
Sir JoJo Minmatar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.09.26 18:13:00 - [6] we had alliances like that since eve went live and many have fallen off diffrents reason, (CA, SA and FA for examples FA used to be the OMG the so rich alliance) just because theres new and big ship dont make a diffrents, ISK and big ship aint equal i win snip Don't be nasty [email protected] to discuss mod - Cathath i am not nasty
dabster Minmatar Celestial Apocalypse	Posted - 2006.09.26 18:13:00 - [7] No empire lasts forever. /chuckles evuhly ___________________________ Brutors Rule! My Eve-vids; Click.
CYVOK Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.09.26 18:25:00 - [8] Edited by: CYVOK on 26/09/2006 18:31:07 Originally by: Sir JoJo we had alliances like that since eve went live and many have fallen off diffrents reason, (CA, SA and FA for examples FA used to be the OMG the so rich alliance) just because theres new and big ship dont make a diffrents, ISK and big ship aint equal i win I have to agree. I have been playing EvE since it went live and been a part of several now dead Alliances. The Alliances we have now are more evenly matched then they ever were in the past. They may be few very "powerful" Alliances but they are well balanced. As for ISK, it is a great way to build an Alliance but it wont keep you alive. Xetic was by far the richest Alliance in the history of EvE and it was utterly crushed by internal strife, short sighted leadership and a massive bandwaggon attack force. Fact is, if they wanted to, the EvE community could decimate ASCN, LV or BoB if they truly wanted to make that their goal. As for complexes... Franky, it would not bother me a bit if they all dissappeared from EvE. Or better yet were changed in some way so that they would cater to group events instead of being used as cash trees. In many other MMO's I have seen the "uber Loot" made untradeable, the guy that loots it, is stuck with it forever. Just doing that for much of the Complex loot would change the way complexes are used today. Yes ASCN takes advantage of our complexes, we fought hard to gain control of them and we do use the ISK for most of our bigger projects. Thats the differance. We build outposts and ships. We don't go ebay ISK or fit 5 guys with 2B iSK officer mods from empire. I might also add that 10/10 complexes are NOT the most profitable in EvE, 6/10's and 8/10's seem to hold that record. 10/10's are very unpredictiable and rearly drop loot worth more then 350M a day. You may think 350M is alot, but divide that between 5000 members or 1 outpost and its nothing. Team work and having unified goals within an Alliance is what makes it strong. To their Credit BoB have this more or less perfected though ASCN is close behind. Everyone with access to complexes in 0.0 could be just as "rich" as ASCN or BoB if they thought a bit more about the future of their Alliance rather then how much ISK they have in their personal wallet or fitting 20B worth of mods on a battleship they never undock. -CYVOK-
Omeega Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.09.26 18:37:00 - [9] 7 replys and the "EBAY" mark appeared. In my humble opinion having a titan is not a win button. Let's take ASCN per example - they are mainly good at production (what I mean is that they weren't formed for the love of doing Player Versus Player). So I think it's just like giving a gun to a child. With a bit of luck he'll kill somebody otherwise, he might hurt himself or just use it as a stick to rub his back. Now when we talk about some BOB members well yeah, titan is a threat. This time the pistol fell in professional's hands. But still, I still think determination is what a successfull alliance/corp/member needs to suceed into EVE - not only his wallet or his toys. Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
Major Stormer Caldari Demon Womb Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.09.26 18:37:00 - [10] Look at Red, Fountain, Phonex (sp) Alliances. I dont need to say more do i? congrats to red anyway ;) -------------------------- AHH the Stupid forum DELETED(!) all my mod chat in my sig when i added this image :(

fugazii Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.09.26 18:49:00 - [11] well, people said the same thing about the CA back in the day. while the tides and times have changed, the same fact that has always been true about alliances still remains so, alliances are only as powerful as thier members are happy. outside forces have rarely actually beat an alliance, discontent within the ranks is what usually leads to a downfall.
Zhaine B e l l u m	Posted - 2006.09.26 18:51:00 - [12] Originally by: CYVOK I have to agree. I have been playing EvE since it went live and been a part of several now dead Alliances. The Alliances we have now are more evenly matched then they ever were in the past. They may be few very "powerful" Alliances but they are well balanced. As for ISK, it is a great way to build an Alliance but it wont keep you alive. Xetic was by far the richest Alliance in the history of EvE and it was utterly crushed by internal strife, short sighted leadership and a massive bandwaggon attack force. Fact is, if they wanted to, the EvE community could decimate ASCN, LV or BoB if they truly wanted to make that their goal. As for complexes... Franky, it would not bother me a bit if they all dissappeared from EvE. Or better yet were changed in some way so that they would cater to group events instead of being used as cash trees. In many other MMO's I have seen the "uber Loot" made untradeable, the guy that loots it, is stuck with it forever. Just doing that for much of the Complex loot would change the way complexes are used today. Yes ASCN takes advantage of our complexes, we fought hard to gain control of them and we do use the ISK for most of our bigger projects. Thats the differance. We build outposts and ships. We don't go ebay ISK or fit 5 guys with 2B iSK officer mods from empire. I might also add that 10/10 complexes are NOT the most profitable in EvE, 6/10's and 8/10's seem to hold that record. 10/10's are very unpredictiable and rearly drop loot worth more then 350M a day. You may think 350M is alot, but divide that between 5000 members or 1 outpost and its nothing. Team work and having unified goals within an Alliance is what makes it strong. To their Credit BoB have this more or less perfected though ASCN is close behind. Everyone with access to complexes in 0.0 could be just as "rich" as ASCN or BoB if they thought a bit more about the future of their Alliance rather then how much ISK they have in their personal wallet or fitting 20B worth of mods on a battleship they never undock. -CYVOK- Nice post. . . And to the OP, having both been a member of a large alliance and (now) being an "insignificant" onlooker, I don't think the current alliances are a problem to Eve. I find the current power structures fascinating and intruiging. And it's all about leadership and organisation as well as isk and numbers (just look at KOS, huge and significanly funded but, well, crap). No one will last forever. . . someone will mess up, or something will change, or somebody will get bored and attack big-scale. Change is the only constant. - - - - - - - - - - Quote: I don't even want a ship, ships are for carebears. Give me a fish bowl for my head (to keep space out) and smear me with lard, then armed with a toasting fork-
Raid Caldari Tyrell Corp Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.09.26 18:54:00 - [13] Internal conflicts are what will kill every major alliance in the game. It will happen... always does... maybe BoB is less likely to have this happen given the relativly few number of corps in their alliance. Most likely would take a massive clash of ego's to break that up... The more corps you bring on the more freeloaders you get.. the more freeloaders you get the greater the changes of internal conlfict... thus is the cycle of life.
Zimi Vlasic F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2006.09.26 18:54:00 - [14] Empires crumble. History proves this to be 100% correct. Find Roid, Examine, and Excavate Explorer
Skooney Gallente Universal Agencies Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.09.26 18:55:00 - [15] Originally by: CYVOK Edited by: CYVOK on 26/09/2006 18:31:07 Originally by: Sir JoJo we had alliances like that since eve went live and many have fallen off diffrents reason, (CA, SA and FA for examples FA used to be the OMG the so rich alliance) just because theres new and big ship dont make a diffrents, ISK and big ship aint equal i win I have to agree. I have been playing EvE since it went live and been a part of several now dead Alliances. The Alliances we have now are more evenly matched then they ever were in the past. They may be few very "powerful" Alliances but they are well balanced. As for ISK, it is a great way to build an Alliance but it wont keep you alive. Xetic was by far the richest Alliance in the history of EvE and it was utterly crushed by internal strife, short sighted leadership and a massive bandwaggon attack force. Fact is, if they wanted to, the EvE community could decimate ASCN, LV or BoB if they truly wanted to make that their goal. As for complexes... Franky, it would not bother me a bit if they all dissappeared from EvE. Or better yet were changed in some way so that they would cater to group events instead of being used as cash trees. In many other MMO's I have seen the "uber Loot" made untradeable, the guy that loots it, is stuck with it forever. Just doing that for much of the Complex loot would change the way complexes are used today. Yes ASCN takes advantage of our complexes, we fought hard to gain control of them and we do use the ISK for most of our bigger projects. Thats the differance. We build outposts and ships. We don't go ebay ISK or fit 5 guys with 2B iSK officer mods from empire. I might also add that 10/10 complexes are NOT the most profitable in EvE, 6/10's and 8/10's seem to hold that record. 10/10's are very unpredictiable and rearly drop loot worth more then 350M a day. You may think 350M is alot, but divide that between 5000 members or 1 outpost and its nothing. Team work and having unified goals within an Alliance is what makes it strong. To their Credit BoB have this more or less perfected though ASCN is close behind. Everyone with access to complexes in 0.0 could be just as "rich" as ASCN or BoB if they thought a bit more about the future of their Alliance rather then how much ISK they have in their personal wallet or fitting 20B worth of mods on a battleship they never undock. -CYVOK- CYVOK - That has to be one of the best posts I have read. You touch on many key points. The main one being, the success of ASCN and BoB is Team Work. The success of your Titan is not the "i-win" button but the proof that an Alliance working together as a team can accomplish anything in EVE. Well done. Respectfully. Skooney. Universal Agencies www.rlelectric.ca/ua.htm
Bratwurst0r Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.09.26 18:56:00 - [16] why should we worry? if a dedicated group attacks one of the great powers...also a Titan will not safe them. Spawning POS will Originally by: Aquila Lightwielder I'm sorry CCP you are #200 in queue to use my credit card, please wait
Kunming Amarr adeptus gattacus Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.09.26 19:00:00 - [17] Alliances dont rise and fall on the battlefield, their destiny is determined by the competence of their leaders and moral integrity of its members. The "Roman Empire" style alliance will easily beat the "Mongolian Horde" style alliance, cause of the supperiority of organisation and logistics, but on the other hand its also more vulnerable to internal intrigues and moral failures. Both RL and EVE history has shown us that no alliance is here to stay forever. I think what you are experiencing is a moral failure atm, its a basic instinctual human reaction to prevent you from wasting resources on something that your subconsiousness has calculated as unworthy by making you think its impossible to achieve. You can discipline your self to use these in your favour, but I'm not going to go into pychological warfare here.. actually I'll be kind enough to give you a tip: If they have everything and you have nothing, what do you have to lose?
Apothos Loot	Posted - 2006.09.26 19:33:00 - [18] Edited by: Apothos on 26/09/2006 19:34:21 I think the politics in EvE are fascinating, just like RL we have now gone from many small alliances to a few big ones, and then a power vaccum forms when the big ones go down and the cycle starts all over again. Edit: If alliances get to big, I'm confident that there will be people who will do some fun backstabbing, and stir up some fun **** for all the alliance pvpers
Moghydin Confederation of Red Moon Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.09.26 19:46:00 - [19] Big alliances are powerfull and rich not without a reason. The reason is a lot of work and dedication from the leadership of the alliance and a lot of work and dedication from all alliance members towards the same goal. So, it's quite natural that if so much effort was invested into building a successfull alliance, same amount of effort and dedication (or even more) should be invested into trying to take one down.
Grimpak Gallente Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.09.26 19:50:00 - [20] Originally by: Apothos Edited by: Apothos on 26/09/2006 19:34:21 I think the politics in EvE are fascinating, just like RL we have now gone from many small alliances to a few big ones, and then a power vaccum forms when the big ones go down and the cycle starts all over again. Edit: If alliances get to big, I'm confident that there will be people who will do some fun backstabbing, and stir up some fun ** for all the alliance pvpers cycle of the alliances in eve is: alliance borns -> dies or develops -> if survives, get's bigger -> grows -> aquires new friends and enemies -> gets involved in wars -> cataclysmic event happens that shatters/kills the alliance -> if shattered, several small alliances pop up in place of the old one -> cycle restarts. ------- Originally by:** Abdalion Originally by: Jebidus Skari What, in EVE, is a Tyrant? Me. Especially when it comes to troll threads.

Masta Killa BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.09.26 20:07:00 - [21] Many or few, titans or frigs, they're all nubs -------------------------------------- "It's like, we show up and UDIE."
Mistress Suffering Einherjar Rising Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.09.26 21:09:00 - [22] Actually with good leadership, alliances can last many many years. Mostly it just depends on whether someone with the skills and interest is available when a time for transition occurs. EVE simply isn't going to be around long enough that its strongest alliances are doomed to failure. They could easily outlast it.
Stockarian eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.09.26 21:15:00 - [23] Hmm, omeega, out of all the posts in this thread yours is the only one (so far) with a retort about the ebay comment from Cyvok, I wonder why? The Titan is a nice tool for the defense of our space, nothing more...it certainly isn't an I win button. BOB will have their Titan, if they don't already. We all want whatever there is to offer in-game, this doesn't mean anyone is too big or too powerful, we're just getting what the Devs put out there just like everyone else. No harm, no foul. I don't think anyone should be upset over such an accomplishment, just look at it like "dang, they built that, so can we." Athelas Loraiel > "This isn't a fleet, we're only the appetizer." Cheers, Stock
Deja Thoris Revelations Inc.	Posted - 2006.09.26 21:26:00 - [24] Originally by: Omeega Edited by: Omeega on 26/09/2006 18:38:42 7 replys and the "EBAY" mark appeared. CY- I'd like you to remember that if you have any doubts about someone Ebaying you can simply mail a mod and he'll get that sorted. A mod is an unpaid volunteer. It's hardly within their remit to do anything about that kind of thing. On topic. Some nice posts were made a week or so about "the little person" becoming increasingly irrelevant in EvE. No doubt its a wonderful group achievement building a titan but it saddens me that the blob mentality is overtaking the game. Originally by: Clementina If you bug report it, you get ignored. If you post about it on the forums, you get banned. If you exploit it, you get rich.
Omeega Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.09.26 21:31:00 - [25] Originally by: Stockarian Hmm, omeega, out of all the posts in this thread yours is the only one (so far) with a retort about the ebay comment from Cyvok, I wonder why? Because everytime we blow things up we get a free "ebay-tag", and yes, I wonder why too? Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
Omeega Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.09.26 21:32:00 - [26] Originally by: Deja Thoris A mod is an unpaid volunteer. It's hardly within their remit to do anything about that kind of thing. Sorry meant a GM. Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
mishkof Caldari Emerald Empire Muffins of Mayhem	Posted - 2006.09.26 22:30:00 - [27] Edited by: mishkof on 26/09/2006 22:32:08 With the servers the way they are I agree with the OP. Territroy is hard to take right now do to lagg alone. I know if I owned a dread I would think hard about whether I wanted to expose it to a 50/50 chance of dying along with the node. All the defender has to do is launch fighters and defending the POS has been complete. With the nerfing of missions and empire in general the only real way for an entity to gain the financial ability to take territory in 0.0 is to already have it.
Trinity Faetal Gallente 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.09.26 22:37:00 - [28] Originally by: Masta Killa Many or few, titans or frigs, they're all nubs what he says
Dracolich North Star Networks	Posted - 2006.09.26 22:58:00 - [29] Why worry... big empires wants to fight other big empires. Hopefully in the process hire their favorite merc corp. Its all about having fun, its just done on different levels. If they become too powerful, and none will fight them, maybe they will become bored, and leave for smaller more flexible "empires"/corps, then new empires evolve, only to dissolve at some point - and if not so, well, some must occupy 0.0 space, and why not let it be in the hands of those with vision.
Dracolich North Star Networks	Posted - 2006.09.26 23:02:00 - [30] Originally by: Masta Killa Many or few, titans or frigs, they're all nubs Think this is the most funny thing I have heard thus far - both from Masta Killa and eve-o.



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