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Admiral Starbuck
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2006.09.26 18:50:00 -
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Edited by: Admiral Starbuck on 26/09/2006 19:03:37
Cloaking devices need serious nerfing because you can stay all the day logged on in safespot using cloaking device and nobody won't find you.
I know some pirates who use this lame tactics. Someone keeps his alts all the day logged on and cloaked. If someone logs in and starts to mine with his barge, he will warp on and try to kill miners. And if there are some people who try to kill him he warps off his SS and hits cloak button.
btw, he is friend of RA.
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Frarr
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2006.09.26 18:53:00 -
[2]
Best
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Verone
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Posted - 2006.09.26 18:53:00 -
[3]
 Originally by: Admiral Starbuck
Cloaking devices need serious nerfing because you can stay all the day logged on in safespot using cloacking device and nobody won't find you.
And thus, your argument falls apart.
Look up the defention of a cloaking Device anywhere... this is EXACTLY what they're supposed to be for.
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Cornelius Murphy
International Brotherhood of Eve Workers
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Posted - 2006.09.26 18:54:00 -
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Darn, beat me to it 
Noone can take you seriously until you do the following:
1 - Learn to spell
2 - Come up with a reasonable argument.
Nothing to see here, move along......
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Polaskii
Amarr
Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2006.09.26 18:57:00 -
[5]
Post with your main.
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Jastra
Gallente
Coreli Corporation
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Posted - 2006.09.26 18:57:00 -
[6]
lose your ship to a cloaked vessel recently did ya ?
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lofty29
Gallente
Praxiteles Inc.
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Posted - 2006.09.26 19:05:00 -
[7]
Originally by: Admiral Starbuck
Cloaking devices need serious nerfing because you can stay all the day logged on in safespot using cloaking device and nobody won't find you.
Then why are you complaining?! 
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Originally by: inSpirAcy
Just like a tumour, the Brutix grows on you. 
I pwnz0r your sig, muahaha - Tirg
Noes i got beat by a girl >.< - Xorus |
Admiral Starbuck
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2006.09.26 19:05:00 -
[8]
Originally by: Cornelius Murphy
Darn, beat me to it
Noone can take you seriously until you do the following:
1 - Learn to spell
2 - Come up with a reasonable argument.
Nothing to see here, move along......
The reasonable argument is that I have lost many ships bacause of this wtfpwnging overpowered module. Thats all.
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lofty29
Gallente
Praxiteles Inc.
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Posted - 2006.09.26 19:06:00 -
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Originally by: Admiral Starbuck
Originally by: Cornelius Murphy
Darn, beat me to it
Noone can take you seriously until you do the following:
1 - Learn to spell
2 - Come up with a reasonable argument.
Nothing to see here, move along......
The reasonable argument is that I have lost many ships bacause of this wtfpwnging overpowered module. Thats all.
You're still in a nubcorp, and complaining that you die due to superior skills / tactics?...
Can I have your stuff? 
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Originally by: inSpirAcy
Just like a tumour, the Brutix grows on you.
I pwnz0r your sig, muahaha - Tirg
Noes i got beat by a girl >.< - Xorus |
MrMann
Bastage Incorporated
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Posted - 2006.09.26 19:06:00 -
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Edited by: MrMann on 26/09/2006 19:06:28
Honest <yeech I hate that word> advice from a member of the -10 Sec Status club.
If you are mining in .4 or lower watch Local like a hawk. Anyone pops up in local . . . immediately check their info. If they look piratey in any manner, get out of the belts pronto.
For this to work for the pirate he has to:
1) Log on.
2) Find you (if he hasn't already with his Covert Ops Alt).
3) And then warp to you.
Thus you do have time to see him log on, check him out, and haul butt out of there before he gets to you. He's not going to log on right on top of you.
In .4 or lower the happy miner is the ever vigilant miner. Killing a miner who is alert is very hard. Killing one that is complacent is all too easy.
Better yet . . . if you are going to mine in .4 or lower do it in a group with lots of body guards.
Fly Safe and remember . . . Be Poliet: carry good loot, I got kids to feed.
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Rahn Sohwant
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Posted - 2006.09.26 19:08:00 -
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Cloaking doesn't keep the pirate from appearing in the Local chat channel. Ignore local at your peril.
Would you actually scan down his safespot if he wasn't cloaked and clear him out before you brought in your barge? So what does it matter?
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Kunming
Amarr
adeptus gattacus
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.09.26 19:08:00 -
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Wait till "recon probe launcher" comes out..
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Kunming
Amarr
adeptus gattacus
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.09.26 19:08:00 -
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Wait till "recon probe launcher" comes out..
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K'ang
Minmatar
Chosen Path
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.09.26 19:18:00 -
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Originally by: Rahn Sohwant
Would you actually scan down his safespot if he wasn't cloaked and clear him out before you brought in your barge? So what does it matter?
^^ Pwned !! Truer words ever said ?
/K'ang
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Polaskii
Amarr
Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2006.09.26 19:54:00 -
[15]
Originally by: Admiral Starbuck
The reasonable argument is that I have lost many ships bacause of this wtfpwnging overpowered module. Thats all.
If its so Uber use it yourself.
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Gift
Amarr
Loot
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Posted - 2006.09.26 19:58:00 -
[16]
Edited by: Gift on 26/09/2006 19:58:47
1 Change I could see that wouldn't be to drastic is make cloaks burn fuel. It doesn't have to be at a fast rate, just enough so you can't afk cloak all day.
EDIT - not my idea, just read it somewhere.
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Shin Ra
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2006.09.26 19:58:00 -
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If you know excatly what is going to do, you have no excuse for getting killed. Infact, it should be very simple to setup a simple trap for him, no?
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Jetzin
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Posted - 2006.09.26 20:04:00 -
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What a load of bull, cloaks are already expensive enough. If he's able to afford it and you not, well that sucks for you.
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spurious signal
Caldari
Brainiacs
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Posted - 2006.09.26 20:05:00 -
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So if you couldn't use a cloak to, y'know, CLOAK what use would it be exactly? Hmm?
This is like asking for missiles to be nerfed because they fly towards your ship and blow up! Make them stop!!1111oneone.
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Admai Sket
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Posted - 2006.09.26 20:09:00 -
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How CAN you nerf a cloaking device? you could only remove them altogether - you can't have a cloaking device that makes you half-invisible.
perhaps an uncloaking device that makes you appear brighter?
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flummox
Circle of Jerks
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Posted - 2006.09.26 20:15:00 -
[21]
Originally by: Gift
Edited by: Gift on 26/09/2006 19:58:47
1 Change I could see that wouldn't be to drastic is make cloaks burn fuel. It doesn't have to be at a fast rate, just enough so you can't afk cloak all day.
EDIT - not my idea, just read it somewhere.
um, no...
and, um... fuel??
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Hakera
Anari Higard
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Posted - 2006.09.26 20:17:00 -
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this will be mostly fixed in the scanner/probing changes for kali where probes will be able to lock onto cloaked signatures though not precisely.
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Druadan
Gallente
Aristotle Enterprises
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Posted - 2006.09.26 20:20:00 -
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Originally by: Admiral Starbuck
Edited by: Admiral Starbuck on 26/09/2006 19:03:37
Cloaking devices need serious nerfing because you can stay all the day logged on in safespot using cloaking device and nobody won't find you.
I know some pirates who use this lame tactics. Someone keeps his alts all the day logged on and cloaked. If someone logs in and starts to mine with his barge, he will warp on and try to kill miners. And if there are some people who try to kill him he warps off his SS and hits cloak button.
btw, he is friend of RA.
You seem to be arguing two points. Are you arguing that people shouldn't be able to sit in a safespot with a cloaking device, or are you arguing that people shouldn't use alts for recon? Alts for recon is metagaming, so I agree with that ... a bit ... but sitting with a cloaking device in a safespot is absolutely fine.
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Admai Sket
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Posted - 2006.09.26 20:20:00 -
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Originally by: flummox
Originally by: Gift
Edited by: Gift on 26/09/2006 19:58:47
1 Change I could see that wouldn't be to drastic is make cloaks burn fuel. It doesn't have to be at a fast rate, just enough so you can't afk cloak all day.
EDIT - not my idea, just read it somewhere.
um, no...
and, um... fuel??
perhaps 'cap' rather than 'fuel'
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Too Kind
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Posted - 2006.09.26 20:22:00 -
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Edited by: Too Kind on 26/09/2006 20:23:03
Afaik (!) you can probe cloaked ships in Kali, but they stay cloaked, once you arrive. But I think it will be easier to decloak them in that case, than now. There you have your nerf.
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Gift
Amarr
Loot
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Posted - 2006.09.26 20:22:00 -
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Originally by: flummox
Originally by: Gift
Edited by: Gift on 26/09/2006 19:58:47
1 Change I could see that wouldn't be to drastic is make cloaks burn fuel. It doesn't have to be at a fast rate, just enough so you can't afk cloak all day.
EDIT - not my idea, just read it somewhere.
um, no...
and, um... fuel??
Yeah, Fuel. Next time do your own research.
Why does everyone love the "log in a cloaking alt, leave it on all day in hostile space" tactic? It's lame.
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Scoundrelus
The Black Fleet
Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2006.09.26 20:27:00 -
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Actually I totally agree with the OP. Also on topic stations need nerfing too! People can dock in them and stay there all day and no one can get them! Nerf stations!
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flummox
Circle of Jerks
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Posted - 2006.09.26 20:28:00 -
[28]
Originally by: Gift
Originally by: flummox
Originally by: Gift
Edited by: Gift on 26/09/2006 19:58:47
1 Change I could see that wouldn't be to drastic is make cloaks burn fuel. It doesn't have to be at a fast rate, just enough so you can't afk cloak all day.
EDIT - not my idea, just read it somewhere.
um, no...
and, um... fuel??
Yeah, Fuel. Next time do your own research.
Why does everyone love the "log in a cloaking alt, leave it on all day in hostile space" tactic? It's lame.
i meant ingame, dude...
and, no, it's not 'lame'. you're lame...
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Admai Sket
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Posted - 2006.09.26 20:28:00 -
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Originally by: Scoundrelus
Actually I totally agree with the OP. Also on topic stations need nerfing too! People can dock in them and stay there all day and no one can get them! Nerf stations!
And high sec! NERF high sec! people can stay there all day and be ok too!
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Admai Sket
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Posted - 2006.09.26 20:31:00 -
[30]
Originally by: flummox
Originally by: Gift
Originally by: flummox
Originally by: Gift
Edited by: Gift on 26/09/2006 19:58:47
1 Change I could see that wouldn't be to drastic is make cloaks burn fuel. It doesn't have to be at a fast rate, just enough so you can't afk cloak all day.
EDIT - not my idea, just read it somewhere.
um, no...
and, um... fuel??
Yeah, Fuel. Next time do your own research.
Why does everyone love the "log in a cloaking alt, leave it on all day in hostile space" tactic? It's lame.
i meant ingame, dude...
and, no, it's not 'lame'. you're lame...
Lame
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Gift
Amarr
Loot
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Posted - 2006.09.26 20:59:00 -
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Originally by: flummox
Originally by: Gift
Originally by: flummox
Originally by: Gift
Edited by: Gift on 26/09/2006 19:58:47
1 Change I could see that wouldn't be to drastic is make cloaks burn fuel. It doesn't have to be at a fast rate, just enough so you can't afk cloak all day.
EDIT - not my idea, just read it somewhere.
um, no...
and, um... fuel??
Yeah, Fuel. Next time do your own research.
Why does everyone love the "log in a cloaking alt, leave it on all day in hostile space" tactic? It's lame.
i meant ingame, dude...
Ingame, as in ice or cap, something like that.
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Tarazed Aquilae
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Posted - 2006.09.26 21:47:00 -
[32]
Originally by: Admiral Starbuck
Edited by: Admiral Starbuck on 26/09/2006 19:03:37
Cloaking devices need serious nerfing because you can stay all the day logged on in safespot using cloaking device and nobody won't find you.
I know some pirates who use this lame tactics. Someone keeps his alts all the day logged on and cloaked. If someone logs in and starts to mine with his barge, he will warp on and try to kill miners. And if there are some people who try to kill him he warps off his SS and hits cloak button.
btw, he is friend of RA.
Ya knowà
I took debate back in high school. Honestly, I was spending so much time trying (mostly unsuccessfully) to score with debate chicks that I didnÆt pay all that much attention. But I did pick up a few things.
You need to prove several things in an argument like this.
ThereÆs ôtopicalityö but since this is an Eve forum and itÆs an Eve plan you win on this one.
Then thereÆs ôInherencyö which has to do with how well the current system is addressing the problem. I guess you win here since I think youÆre the only one that sees this as an issue.
But then thereÆs ôharmö which means you should show the current system is somehow broken. I know you lost ships and all, but how is that an untended harm of Eve? How is a guy sitting cloaked in a safespot somehow worse than if he sat in a station? Or, if he sat in a safespot uncloaked? ItÆs not like you are going to scan for him. And if heÆs AFK heÆs not hunting you anyway. If he is at the keyboard then he can align and warp to another safespot if anyone busts his current safespot so the cloak isnÆt helping all that much.
You canÆt even make a realism argument (not that it would really apply) because space is so big that you should be able to shut down your electronics/engines and simply be undetectable to anything thatÆs not pretty darn close.
Then thereÆs ôsolvencyö which is showing that your plan cures the harm. And you fail here too. So, the guy has to ôrefuelö his cloaking device every few hours? This is going to be a big problem for him? Now he sits in his cloaked safespot for 4 hours instead of all day. Or he just docks at a station. How does this help you?
And then thereÆs the ôdisadvantagesö argument where the negative side shows the problems your plan creates. You would effectively add an entirely new concept to the game (fuel) to cure your problem which is really just your carelessness. Once ôfuelö is in the game some people will be demanding it get used to nerf all kinds of supposed exploits.
Like the shield exploit where your shields are always up and ready for action. Maybe raising shields should cost fuel. Maybe being able to travel 100 jumps in 0.0 without refueling is an exploit too. That lets scouts travel around without logistics support. Make them buy fuel or their ship simply stopsà See the can of worms you are opening?
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MrTripps
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.09.26 22:06:00 -
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It is annoying when folks confuse bad retaliatory strategy with unbalanced game mechanics. Here is a freebie:
Have two fighters with cloaks go to a pre-agreed upon belt where said baddie is operating. When they get to the belt they cloak. Then you come in with your barge (naked except for warp stabs) and act like you are mining in same belt. Mr Pirate comes along and goes after the barge. Fighters uncloak and take out Mr. Pirate.
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MrTripps
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.09.26 22:12:00 -
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Quote:
I was spending so much time trying (mostly unsuccessfully) to score with debate chicks
I'm sure there is a cunning linguist joke in there...
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Darktec
Caldari
QUANT Corp.
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Posted - 2006.09.26 22:15:00 -
[35]
Originally by: Admiral Starbuck
Edited by: Admiral Starbuck on 26/09/2006 19:03:37
Cloaking devices need serious nerfing because you can stay all the day logged on in safespot using cloaking device and nobody won't find you.
I know some pirates who use this lame tactics. Someone keeps his alts all the day logged on and cloaked. If someone logs in and starts to mine with his barge, he will warp on and try to kill miners. And if there are some people who try to kill him he warps off his SS and hits cloak button.
btw, he is friend of RA.
Thanks dude, I needed a good laugh.
and if you were serious, go back to wow, and can i have your stuff?
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Teufel Hund
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Posted - 2006.09.26 23:18:00 -
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Better idea even yet. Have the lamb to slaughter sitting there fat and happy mining in lowsec. In pops a pirate ready to crush the poor miner or hold him for ransome. When all of a sudden out of the blue, 6-7 of your ganged buddies buddies uncloak and gank the crap out of the pirate. Just a thought.
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Lifewire
Caldari
TunDraGon
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Posted - 2006.09.26 23:25:00 -
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Miner IIs need serious nerfing because you can stay all the day logged on in belt using the miner II device and nobody can get you if you watch local and scanner.
I know some miners who use this lame tactics. Someone keeps his alts all the day logged on and mines. If someone jumps in and starts to hunt him with his pirate ship, he will warp on and try to hide. And if there are some people who try to kill him he warps off his SS and hits log off button.
btw, they are all over EVE.
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Necrosmith
Gallente
Wife lets me play corp
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Posted - 2006.09.26 23:34:00 -
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I *really* hope English is his second language.
Best Regards,
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Foznez
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Posted - 2006.09.27 03:47:00 -
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The question has to be asked... is the pirate really cloaked? Or do you not know how to use the scanner, instas and warpdrive?
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Audri Fisher
Caldari
The Keep
THE R0CK
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Posted - 2006.09.27 04:44:00 -
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Originally by: Rahn Sohwant
Cloaking doesn't keep the pirate from appearing in the Local chat channel. Ignore local at your peril.
Would you actually scan down his safespot if he wasn't cloaked and clear him out before you brought in your barge? So what does it matter?
Yes, unfortunately scan probe launchers take OMFG cpu 
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Tissa
Minmatar
UK Corp
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.09.27 08:02:00 -
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You know it is possible to fit a cloak on any ship even a mining barge, and unless said pirate is in a covert ops it will take hm a lot of time to be able to lock you. Play his game - hit mwd/ab and cloak.
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Chain Gang
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Posted - 2006.09.27 15:38:00 -
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Covert Ops and Recon should be un-de-tect-able ....
All others ships should either have their ability to fit a cloak removed or burn fuel / timer limit ...
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Fubear
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Posted - 2006.09.27 15:44:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Tarazed Aquilae
Ya knowà
I took debate back in high school. Honestly, I was spending so much time trying (mostly unsuccessfully) to score with debate chicks that I didnÆt pay all that much attention. But I did pick up a few things.
Why in the world would you try to pick up girls who are in training to be profession argument winners?
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Elliot Reid
Serenity Prime
Distant Star Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.27 16:14:00 -
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This is just the same old *******s spurted by people in all mmo's I've played where there's a stealth class. Fact is a stealth ship in EVE isn't that tough on it's own if up against half decent players.
I had my first ship loss against a force recon ship, I was ratting in a .2 system in a Thorax and thought everyone in local was non pirate, haven't made that mistake again (yet), but I never started crying on the forums or anything, a corp mate warped in as my pod warped out and engaged him and I flew back in a BB and jammed him. He warped off leaving 5 tech 2 medium drones behind and my can. I made a profit that day
Don't whinge, learn to play the game and stop trying to ruin it for others. Remember, Local is your friend and it takes 2 seconds to check people out. You lost your ship thats your fault not a cloaking devices.
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Idaeus
Gallente
Earned In Blood
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Posted - 2006.09.27 16:17:00 -
[45]
Because after intense arguments, making up is sweeter.
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Death Kill
Caldari
direkte
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Posted - 2006.09.27 16:30:00 -
[46]
Edited by: Death Kill on 27/09/2006 16:30:33
The topic starter makes me a firm supporter of eugenics.
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Celezt
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Posted - 2006.09.27 16:40:00 -
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Kali will fix this,
With the new probes, and new scanners comming out. You WILL be able to SEE cloaked ships on the scanner.
With the new patch, you will only need (1) probe in space to search for someone in a SS. They will have different signal strength, so you can use different ones to narrow the field down.
They also have a probe in kali with UNLIMITED range, so you WILL be able to scan for ships OUTSIDE the zone.
Do a search for probes and scanners, you should find a post that expains all.
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Barrick Stormsworn
Minmatar
CAD Inc.
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Posted - 2006.09.27 17:09:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Teufel Hund
Better idea even yet. Have the lamb to slaughter sitting there fat and happy mining in lowsec. In pops a pirate ready to crush the poor miner or hold him for ransome. When all of a sudden out of the blue, 6-7 of your ganged buddies buddies uncloak and gank the crap out of the pirate. Just a thought.
I once had a daydream of 4 cloaked prats in stealth bombers uncloaking around me and demanding ransom... and then 4 cloaked gangmates in Ravens uncloaking just behind them and demanding the same. 
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Nev Clavain
Wise Guys
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Posted - 2006.09.27 18:33:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Lifewire
Miner IIs need serious nerfing because you can stay all the day logged on in belt using the miner II device and nobody can get you if you watch local and scanner.
I know some miners who use this lame tactics. Someone keeps his alts all the day logged on and mines. If someone jumps in and starts to hunt him with his pirate ship, he will warp on and try to hide. And if there are some people who try to kill him he warps off his SS and hits log off button.
btw, they are all over EVE.
I lolled
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Locke DieDrake
Port Royal Independent Kontractors
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2006.09.27 18:38:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Death Kill
Edited by: Death Kill on 27/09/2006 16:30:33
The topic starter makes me a firm supporter of eugenics.
Not a popular theory, but I like it too.
Eugenics for the WIN.
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Jenna Malone
Caldari
W-hat LLC
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Posted - 2006.09.27 18:38:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Admiral Starbuck
The reasonable argument is that I have lost many ships bacause of this wtfpwnging overpowered module. Thats all.
Yeah, you have a point. Because my own covops cloak does like 1200dps since I finished Cloaking V.
Get the hell out!
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Jenna Malone
Caldari
W-hat LLC
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Posted - 2006.09.27 18:40:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Celezt
With the new probes, and new scanners comming out. You WILL be able to SEE cloaked ships on the scanner.
See, yes, but not decloak. If you have a precise scan result (as in 3au probe like), you'll drop out near it, but not close enough to decloak it. One of the blogs from TomB already said that you'll be able to probe for them, doing so however won't decloak a covops.
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Kaylana Syi
Minmatar
The Nest
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.09.27 18:55:00 -
[53]
Actually this is a very valid point the OP is trying to make. The use of Super Safe spots and cloaks on tech 1 battleships with t2 sniping gear a nightmare to kill. When the enemy is on 23/7 and its your space they are exploiting for months then you will see why this module in its current form fails. The predators have the utmost advantage with local since they never log off.
They can put more cloaked alts at the gates into the system they are in to watch for reinforcements that would try to bait them out which is pretty much the only way you can kill them. The defenders have to exponentially grow their force for each cloaker and still have little chance to kill the cloakers unless mistakes are made by said cloaker.
It is sadly reduced to the pile of overpowered modules like WCS. Personally I'd go for a 10 minute duration with 15 minute cooldown for 50% of a ships cap with only a 25% speed penalty. If they want to cloak in systems they have to be at the PC do it. Covert Op cloaks would be 'as is.'
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Damien Smith
Turbulent
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Posted - 2006.09.27 19:40:00 -
[54]
I've said it before and I'll say it again. The problem isn't that people cloaked in systems can disrupt your operations purely because you know they're there. The problem is that you can see them in the first place. Cloaked ships are by their nature covert. They should be invisible, that's their thing.
I'm all for nerfing cloaked battleships and things like that but recons and coverts shouldn't even be spotted for you to whine about, you shouldn't even know they're there.
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Posted - 2006.09.27 19:44:00 -
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Originally by: Damien Smith
I'm all for nerfing cloaked battleships and things like that but recons and coverts shouldn't even be spotted for you to whine about, you shouldn't even know they're there.
This, I agree with.
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