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Ozawi Minmatar	Posted - 2006.09.26 21:13:00 - [31] Originally by: Lance Hawke IN AD 2101 WAR WAS BEGINNING Main screen turn on? ------------------------------------------------ This sig is mine. There are others like it, but this one is mine alone. Mods keep out, or I will drop trou and sprinkle some tinkle in your Cheerios! -I don't eat Cheerios. -ReverendM

Wrangler	Posted - 2006.09.26 21:13:00 - [32] Playing EVE should be a bit challenging at least. Wrangler Assistant Community Manager EVE Online Contact Support - Contact Moderators - Report Bug - Submit News Leads Knowledge Base - Player Guide - Policies - Join ISD - Fan Submissions

Surly Bob The Church of Violentology	Posted - 2006.09.26 21:16:00 - [33] Originally by: StealthRavenx Today, i learned of CCP's plan to nerf carriers doing lvl 4 missions, which in my own opinion, is absolutely ubsurd. You shouldn't be allowed to change game mechanics like this. Do you know that kind of effect you are going to have on the economy? You are going to change a very good size portion of this game, and to strip out something that Makes people thier entire living, with little to no notice at all, is absolutely insane. You will loose alot of your carrier playerbase because of this, and Its YOUR FAULT FOR DOING IT IN THE FIRST PLACE! You Nerfed it to begin with. If it was such a problem, YOU CCP, Should have done something to repair it quickly, not let it manifest itself into what it is now. You Screwed up CCP, live with it. Owned 1v1 no pots. Carriers were/are noobtraps. They are the billionaire's destroyer. I'm sure that at least 1 other person has told you this, and you replied "Hah, but they are so good at whoring missions/complexes!!" You've been had. --- Add a MANUAL 0km warp option. Leave autopilot at 15km ranges. Done. All fixed.
Galk Gallente Autumn Tactics	Posted - 2006.09.26 21:17:00 - [34] Originally by: Wrangler Playing EVE should be a bit challenging at least. So whats the point in skill training for 3 years... I should have just pressed the stop button after 3 months to make it more of a challenge huh BTW.... Try using a cap ship in low sec.... you suddenly become a very big target for people... it gets very tiring refreshing the scanner every 2 secs ______
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve Kimotoro Directive	Posted - 2006.09.26 21:19:00 - [35] Originally by: StealthRavenx Today, i learned of CCP's plan to nerf carriers doing lvl 4 missions, which in my own opinion, is absolutely ubsurd. You shouldn't be allowed to change game mechanics like this. Do you know that kind of effect you are going to have on the economy? You are going to change a very good size portion of this game, and to strip out something that Makes people thier entire living, with little to no notice at all, is absolutely insane. You will loose alot of your carrier playerbase because of this, and Its YOUR FAULT FOR DOING IT IN THE FIRST PLACE! You Nerfed it to begin with. If it was such a problem, YOU CCP, Should have done something to repair it quickly, not let it manifest itself into what it is now. You Screwed up CCP, live with it. I can't tell if this is suppose to be a joke, because it made me laugh, or if it's serious, because it's so corny. Sorry you can't afford a dev so you get me instead ^^ - Xorus I hear Xorus is only 50 isk an hour - Immy Oooh that could get Suvetar for the day! - Cathath For 50, you can have my goat:P- Tirg
Surly Bob The Church of Violentology	Posted - 2006.09.26 21:19:00 - [36] Originally by: Galk BTW.... Try using a cap ship in low sec.... you suddenly become a very big target for people... it gets very tiring refreshing the scanner every 2 secs OHNOSE TEH EBIL PIERATS WANT TO KILL YUO????????? People like you are the reason that this patch makes me so happy. In fact, my joy right now will probably only be surpassed if/when the Raven finally gets the hardcore nerfing it so richly deserves. --- Add a MANUAL 0km warp option. Leave autopilot at 15km ranges. Done. All fixed.
Darksaber64x Ecchi co.	Posted - 2006.09.26 21:19:00 - [37] Kinda silly to whine about this... level 4's are too easy in a raven, carriers are... quite overkill for it. Besides, some of them it must take FOREVER to get to that next jump gate, like in AE... :P It's not going to be a HUGE GAME CHANGING EVENT!!!!!11!!!!1111oneone I doubt it'll have much of an effect at all.
Waragha Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2006.09.26 21:19:00 - [38] Go play WoW Originally by: Trepkos ... The only difference between GS and NPC's are that GS respawn quicker.
Sergio Ling Standard Operations Building Services Maelstrom Alliance	Posted - 2006.09.26 21:23:00 - [39] Originally by: StealthRavenx Today, i learned of CCP's plan to nerf carriers doing lvl 4 missions, which in my own opinion, is absolutely ubsurd. You shouldn't be allowed to change game mechanics like this. Do you know that kind of effect you are going to have on the economy? You are going to change a very good size portion of this game, and to strip out something that Makes people thier entire living, with little to no notice at all, is absolutely insane. You will loose alot of your carrier playerbase because of this, and Its YOUR FAULT FOR DOING IT IN THE FIRST PLACE! You Nerfed it to begin with. If it was such a problem, YOU CCP, Should have done something to repair it quickly, not let it manifest itself into what it is now. You Screwed up CCP, live with it. OHNOES THE SKY IS FALLING seriously. just...I dunno. I have no suggestions for this grade of idiocy. Originally by: Oveur Internally dismissed as carebear whine, we quietly moved our Kestrels to another system.
Galk Gallente Autumn Tactics	Posted - 2006.09.26 21:28:00 - [40] Originally by: Surly Bob Originally by: Galk BTW.... Try using a cap ship in low sec.... you suddenly become a very big target for people... it gets very tiring refreshing the scanner every 2 secs OHNOSE TEH EBIL PIERATS WANT TO KILL YUO????????? People like you are the reason that this patch makes me so happy. In fact, my joy right now will probably only be surpassed if/when the Raven finally gets the hardcore nerfing it so richly deserves. This is nothing but a troll... If you actualy knew anything about me personaly, you would know i don't give a **** Iv'e probaly lost in the region of about 6-7 billion isk worth of ships to said evil pirates.. Back under your rock ______

kieron	Posted - 2006.09.26 21:28:00 - [41] I do not believe the original design intention for Carriers, Motherships and Titans included the ability to enter complexes, but rather for them to be the flagship of PvP fleet battles. Nerf? Maybe. A return to the original design intention? Certainly. kieron Community Manager, EVE Online

Major Stormer Caldari Demon Womb Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.09.26 21:31:00 - [42] Originally by: kieron I do not believe the original design intention for Carriers, Motherships and Titans included the ability to enter complexes, but rather for them to be the flagship of PvP fleet battles. Nerf? Maybe. A return to the original design intention? Certainly. Indeed, Thank you :) -------------------------- AHH the Stupid forum DELETED(!) all my mod chat in my sig when i added this image :(
Surly Bob The Church of Violentology	Posted - 2006.09.26 21:33:00 - [43] Originally by: Galk This is nothing but a troll... If you actualy knew anything about me personaly, you would know i don't give a ** Iv'e probaly lost in the region of about 6-7 billion isk worth of ships to said evil pirates.. Back under your rock If you care so little, why are you crying like a ***? You do realize that it requires hours of work and a whole bunch of dumb luck to even have A CHANCE of catching a missioner in lowsec with probes, right? Of course not, since just the thought of taking your precious into a .4 system gives you the shakes. --- Add a MANUAL 0km warp option. Leave autopilot at 15km ranges. Done. All fixed.
Serapis Aote TBC Novus Ordos Seclorum	Posted - 2006.09.26 21:34:00 - [44] This may be the dumbest thing I have read in a long time. I wonder if the original poster is either a bit drunk/slow or about 10 years old. It doesnt take a rocket scientist to understand or fathom why a carrier in the lvl 4s is maybe just a wee bit overpowered. And I dont know if you have played the game in awhile but the devs have had a little problem with the dragon code and some lag and node crashes. So they didnt get to this problem right away. But the fact you actually assumed the devs plan was to trivialize a large part of their game is purely idiotic. To post up a rant on the forum that they fixed the bug that enabled you to trivilize said content for months is just hilarious. Thank you for the laugh.
DefJam101	Posted - 2006.09.26 21:35:00 - [45] Umm guys? Did any of you stop and notice that following this nerf Ginger Magician might lose 100 of his Megathrons over the course of a week after Kali (Stab Nerf) and now he might not have any money to buy more?(Carrier Farm nerf) Sounds good to me, farmers ftl ^_^
Ruffio Sepico Minmatar Hidden Agenda	Posted - 2006.09.26 21:35:00 - [46] Originally by: Wrangler Playing EVE should be a bit challenging at least. Doing missions in low sec in a carrier makes you a nice target for once, and each time you lose a fighter drone you lose more than the mission usally worth. Heck, even some of the level 4 missions can be a challenge even in a Carrier. Zrakor said himself good while back on the mission forums that level 4 missions wasnt meant to be for groups and nothing changed to them since then. Since then both the dangers of doing level 4's increased and the rewards for doing them been nerfed. Whats the point in release all these expensie toys if they gonna be limited in the way they can be used? You can't use capital ships in 0.5 and above, and low sec is more dangerous than 0.0. People can fine rat in 0.0 with a carrier if they want, and still that is more rewarding than any level 4 mission afaik. I'm not doing level 4's in a carrier, but more busy building such ships to sell and will probably be affected by this change as well. Its nice to see that CCP nerf and change things, and introduce new things that apparently should just be limited to a few. But maybe its an idea to think about many of these players also take part in pay for the bread and butter for CCP as well. We all play the game to have fun after all, if people start feel CCP cater only for a few the game might quickly grow stale for some which would be bad imho. Home: http://www.hidden-agenda.co.uk
Isyel Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2006.09.26 21:36:00 - [47] I feel sorry for the people needing a carrier to do them. And even more for those thinking they're so much better for doing it in them rather than battleships. The sky is falling indeed, and fighters too!. Ohnoes. Please, just... stop with the nonsense whining. I understand Amarr, heck, i understand BMs, Node crashes, Lag (all horses beaten to death, resurrected, and beaten again, again and again) etc. but come on, you just ~have~ to be kidding me here. Is there no artificial wall, no boundaries for people to see they're trying to make this game something... too easy? I await the whines after they do it if they cave in to this nonsense. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Originally by: Jim McGregor All the nodes are belong to us!
Isyel Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2006.09.26 21:38:00 - [48] Originally by: Ruffio Sepico Originally by: Wrangler Playing EVE should be a bit challenging at least. Doing missions in low sec in a carrier makes you a nice target for once, and each time you lose a fighter drone you lose more than the mission usally worth. Heck, even some of the level 4 missions can be a challenge even in a Carrier. Zrakor said himself good while back on the mission forums that level 4 missions wasnt meant to be for groups and nothing changed to them since then. Since then both the dangers of doing level 4's increased and the rewards for doing them been nerfed. Whats the point in release all these expensie toys if they gonna be limited in the way they can be used? You can't use capital ships in 0.5 and above, and low sec is more dangerous than 0.0. People can fine rat in 0.0 with a carrier if they want, and still that is more rewarding than any level 4 mission afaik. I'm not doing level 4's in a carrier, but more busy building such ships to sell and will probably be affected by this change as well. Its nice to see that CCP nerf and change things, and introduce new things that apparently should just be limited to a few. But maybe its an idea to think about many of these players also take part in pay for the bread and butter for CCP as well. We all play the game to have fun after all, if people start feel CCP cater only for a few the game might quickly grow stale for some which would be bad imho. 0.0 ratting more rewarding than lvl 4s? You're kidding me, right? People seem to think 0.0 is some fantastic wonderland sort of thing. Well let me tell you, if i rat anywhere in my region i do about 1/4 of what a certain mission whoring friend of mine does. Balanced indeed. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Originally by: Jim McGregor All the nodes are belong to us!
Surly Bob The Church of Violentology	Posted - 2006.09.26 21:39:00 - [49] Quote: some of the level 4 missions can be a challenge even in a Carrier. L O L --- Add a MANUAL 0km warp option. Leave autopilot at 15km ranges. Done. All fixed.
Ruffio Sepico Minmatar Hidden Agenda	Posted - 2006.09.26 21:41:00 - [50] Originally by: kieron I do not believe the original design intention for Carriers, Motherships and Titans included the ability to enter complexes, but rather for them to be the flagship of PvP fleet battles. Nerf? Maybe. A return to the original design intention? Certainly. Then the design is flawed regarding cost of build these as well. As it doesnt take much effort to raise the funds to buy them, at least not carriers. And if used as flagships, bring dozens of them at a fleet battle sounds just wrong. If it wasnt intended it should have been fixed right away imho. Not a long time afterwards when many players obtained such ships and end up have them for little else than look at in their hangers. Home: http://www.hidden-agenda.co.uk
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve Kimotoro Directive	Posted - 2006.09.26 21:42:00 - [51] Originally by: Clone runner Edited by: Clone runner on 26/09/2006 20:18:55 command ships shouldnt be allowed to do l4 missions either then..... and when is tux going to fix carriers like he promised months ago? he said they would get a boost and they havent Fix coming with Kali maybe? Sorry you can't afford a dev so you get me instead ^^ - Xorus I hear Xorus is only 50 isk an hour - Immy Oooh that could get Suvetar for the day! - Cathath For 50, you can have my goat:P- Tirg
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve Kimotoro Directive	Posted - 2006.09.26 21:44:00 - [52] Originally by: ViperZXT Originally by: Lord WarATron Actually - sell the carrier, buy a Gist -X Xlarge and you are a batter tank Erm, no. A Gist XL probably wont be as good a tank lol. I dont care how many of what type amps you have or implants 0r anything. Till you can get at least 8k boost in 10seconds from a Gist XL, its a no. With HG crystal set, dual estamel/x-type amps, and an XL xtype, you boost about 2200 in 4 seconds. And since you're not a giant brick, you might be harder to hit, and if you're in a CBC, your resists are much more likely to be pwntastic. Sorry you can't afford a dev so you get me instead ^^ - Xorus I hear Xorus is only 50 isk an hour - Immy Oooh that could get Suvetar for the day! - Cathath For 50, you can have my goat:P- Tirg
Ruffio Sepico Minmatar Hidden Agenda	Posted - 2006.09.26 21:45:00 - [53] Originally by: Surly Bob Quote: some of the level 4 missions can be a challenge even in a Carrier. L O L Yeah I can see you talk out of experience right? Home: http://www.hidden-agenda.co.uk
Galk Gallente Autumn Tactics	Posted - 2006.09.26 21:50:00 - [54] Originally by: Surly Bob Originally by: Galk This is nothing but a troll... If you actualy knew anything about me personaly, you would know i don't give a ** Iv'e probaly lost in the region of about 6-7 billion isk worth of ships to said evil pirates.. Back under your rock If you care so little, why are you crying like a ***? You do realize that it requires hours of work and a whole bunch of dumb luck to even have A CHANCE of catching a missioner in lowsec with probes, right? into a .4 Of course not, since just the thought of taking your precious system gives you the shakes. Trolling again huh.... Umm i happen to know/did... the best tracker in the game... i certainly know it doesn't take hours Mr troll.. i know exactly how it's done also in the quickest posible time also.... and ofc with my extreme knowledge of missioning.. i can tell you it would be easy to catch a dread/carrier in most missions.. there's only 2 (that you would use a cap in) that are easy to align never to be caught in. Precious system... i don't quite follow this? Some kind of personal insult or something.. like your opening statement? As i tried to point out in my original post... there will be absolutely no reason to run low sec missions for me.. im not going to be jumping gates in officer fitted faction ships in low sec... because i know exactly how to gank people at gates like anybody else using multiple accounts with alt's... i used to do it:/ As for crying.. nahh... admit it... you only said that to wind me up when i made it clear i wasn't botherd (all typical greify trolls do it in a final attempt) ______
stoats girl	Posted - 2006.09.26 21:51:00 - [55] carriers in missions are actually an isk sink.
digitalwanderer Gallente The Nest	Posted - 2006.09.26 21:56:00 - [56] Originally by: kieron I do not believe the original design intention for Carriers, Motherships and Titans included the ability to enter complexes, but rather for them to be the flagship of PvP fleet battles. Nerf? Maybe. A return to the original design intention? Certainly. Then how about adding some extra size to the ships themselves,given that they are flagships,since they're only 10% less heavy that a dread of the same race on average,and also have only about 30% less overall volume,yet the size difference between both is huge(carrier being 5x smaller at least)... Chimera is actually smaller than an Apoc ffs...Some capital ship for a 2.5 billion investement in ship/skills/fittings/fighters Given those numbers,they should be at least 3/4 of the size of a dread and motherships should be half the size of a titan....(yep,volume and mass are screwed up on those too).
Surly Bob The Church of Violentology	Posted - 2006.09.26 22:02:00 - [57] Edited by: Surly Bob on 26/09/2006 22:05:58 Originally by: Galk As i tried to point out in my original post... there will be absolutely no reason to run low sec missions for me.. im not going to be jumping gates in officer fitted faction ships in low sec... because i know exactly how to gank people at gates like anybody else using multiple accounts with alt's... i used to do it:/ It's called risk/reward. If you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen. If you are sitting there claiming that it was CCP's design intention to add in a class of ship that allowed mission runners to clear missions in under a couple minutes with no risk whatsoever of being blown up, then you might as well save your effort - nobody is buying it. You do realize that you can still assign your fighters to an alt in an inty/shuttle and do the same exploit, right? Be sure to alt-tab over and switch safespots every few minutes, though. I'm probing for you. --- Add a MANUAL 0km warp option. Leave autopilot at 15km ranges. Done. All fixed.
Ruffio Sepico Minmatar Hidden Agenda	Posted - 2006.09.26 22:06:00 - [58] Originally by: Surly Bob Originally by: Galk As i tried to point out in my original post... there will be absolutely no reason to run low sec missions for me.. im not going to be jumping gates in officer fitted faction ships in low sec... because i know exactly how to gank people at gates like anybody else using multiple accounts with alt's... i used to do it:/ It's called risk/reward. If you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen. If you are sitting there claiming that it was CCP's design intention to add in a class of ship that allowed mission runners to clear missions in under a couple minutes with no risk whatsoever of being blown up, then you might as well save your effort - nobody is buying it. You do realize that you can still assign your fighters to an alt in an inty/shuttle and do the same exploit, right? So, you been clearing missions in a carrier in a couple minutes? I just want to know, so you actually talk out from experience rather than just "make up" something as you go along? Home: http://www.hidden-agenda.co.uk
D'onryu Shoqui Vengeance of the Fallen Imperium Alliance	Posted - 2006.09.26 22:07:00 - [59] Edited by: D''onryu Shoqui on 26/09/2006 22:07:17 Originally by: Wrangler Playing EVE should be a bit challenging at least. dont let command ships in either then Quote: I do not believe the original design intention for Carriers, Motherships and Titans included the ability to enter complexes, but rather for them to be the flagship of PvP fleet battles. Nerf? Maybe. A return to the original design intention? Certainly. when do carriers get a boost so they can be on the front lines then? tux or someone mentioned it months ago and nothing has happened at all. guess hes to busy balancing the new ships for kali , then he will be to busy with new ships for something else and it will never get done guess the recons wont get fixed ever either so they can do what they were intended, cloak and cyno ------------------------- I am a nobody of IMP my views are my own.
Surly Bob The Church of Violentology	Posted - 2006.09.26 22:10:00 - [60] Edited by: Surly Bob on 26/09/2006 22:12:16 Originally by: Ruffio Sepico Originally by: Surly Bob Originally by: Galk As i tried to point out in my original post... there will be absolutely no reason to run low sec missions for me.. im not going to be jumping gates in officer fitted faction ships in low sec... because i know exactly how to gank people at gates like anybody else using multiple accounts with alt's... i used to do it:/ It's called risk/reward. If you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen. If you are sitting there claiming that it was CCP's design intention to add in a class of ship that allowed mission runners to clear missions in under a couple minutes with no risk whatsoever of being blown up, then you might as well save your effort - nobody is buying it. You do realize that you can still assign your fighters to an alt in an inty/shuttle and do the same exploit, right? So, you been clearing missions in a carrier in a couple minutes? I just want to know, so you actually talk out from experience rather than just "make up" something as you go along? If you find doing missions in a carrier to be hard, then you must have the wit and hand-eye coordination of a sloth. I've seen carriers in action on missions/complexes, and they ***them in the hands of a skilled missioner. If a lone BS or even a small group of BSes come after you, odds are you will ***them, as well. A player as old as you should be able to kill other players with a capship, unless you got your account off ebay or something. --- Add a MANUAL 0km warp option. Leave autopilot at 15km ranges. Done. All fixed.

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