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StealthRavenx
Caldari
The Merchant Marines
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Posted - 2006.09.26 20:09:00 -
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Today, i learned of CCP's plan to nerf carriers doing lvl 4 missions, which in my own opinion, is absolutely ubsurd. You shouldn't be allowed to change game mechanics like this. Do you know that kind of effect you are going to have on the economy? You are going to change a very good size portion of this game, and to strip out something that Makes people thier entire living, with little to no notice at all, is absolutely insane. You will loose alot of your carrier playerbase because of this, and Its YOUR FAULT FOR DOING IT IN THE FIRST PLACE! You Nerfed it to begin with. If it was such a problem, YOU CCP, Should have done something to repair it quickly, not let it manifest itself into what it is now. You Screwed up CCP, live with it.
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Pan Crastus
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Posted - 2006.09.26 20:11:00 -
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ISK farming sucks. Get over it ;-)
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Fuglife
Celestial Apocalypse
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Posted - 2006.09.26 20:11:00 -
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Oh noes, you cant do level 4's in your invunerable ship. My heart bleeds for you.
Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty - Cortes
No - Fuglife
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spurious signal
Caldari
Brainiacs
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Posted - 2006.09.26 20:12:00 -
[4]
 Originally by: StealthRavenx
You will loose alot of your carrier playerbase because of this
I LOL'd in real-life 
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Hakera
Anari Higard
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Posted - 2006.09.26 20:13:00 -
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Originally by: StealthRavenx
You shouldn't be allowed to change game mechanics like this.
devs have a strange habit and ability to alter game mechanics in their game, most unreasonable  .
i dont share your sandwichboard prophecy of doom either. Like kierons post said, if something seems to easy and too good, it probably isnt meant to be.
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Taram Caldar
Caldari
Acheron Vanguard Armada
The Shadow Ascension
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Posted - 2006.09.26 20:13:00 -
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Tell ya what, go ahead and cancel your account but um... can I have your carrier before you leave?
Seriously... whining about CCP fixing an exploit is just....... forgive me..... idiotic.
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StealthRavenx
Caldari
The Merchant Marines
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Posted - 2006.09.26 20:13:00 -
[7]
LoL, Don't I wish I had a carrier.
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Kye Kenshin
Beagle Corp
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Posted - 2006.09.26 20:14:00 -
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Use a raven?
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LUGAL MOP'N'GLO
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Posted - 2006.09.26 20:14:00 -
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Originally by: spurious signal
Originally by: StealthRavenx
You will loose alot of your carrier playerbase because of this
I LOL'd in real-life
I damn near peed my pants. Like ya, 90% of the carrier pilots in EVE run lvl IV's in them for isk... Ummm no.
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StealthRavenx
Caldari
The Merchant Marines
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Posted - 2006.09.26 20:17:00 -
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Well either way, CCP still screwed up big time. They let something like this go for so long, and then look what they do. And they knew they had a problem to begin with.
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Ozawi
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.09.26 20:18:00 -
[11]
Heh
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Lord WarATron
Amarr
Out Siders
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.09.26 20:18:00 -
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Actually - sell the carrier, buy a Gist -X Xlarge and you are a batter tank
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Clone runner
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Posted - 2006.09.26 20:18:00 -
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Edited by: Clone runner on 26/09/2006 20:18:55
command ships shouldnt be allowed to do l4 missions either then.....
and when is tux going to fix carriers like he promised months ago? he said they would get a boost and they havent
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ViperZXT
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Posted - 2006.09.26 20:21:00 -
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Originally by: Lord WarATron
Actually - sell the carrier, buy a Gist -X Xlarge and you are a batter tank
Erm, no. A Gist XL probably wont be as good a tank lol. I dont care how many of what type amps you have or implants 0r anything.
Till you can get at least 8k boost in 10seconds from a Gist XL, its a no.
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Sakura Nihil
Tharsis Security
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Posted - 2006.09.26 20:21:00 -
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In that case look at it from this perspective - you made millions (probably 1b+) in great safety, something a lot of us can't do. Enjoy that fact, and don't whine heh.
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Admai Sket
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Posted - 2006.09.26 20:22:00 -
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this is an outrage, i'm so bothered...
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StealthRavenx
Caldari
The Merchant Marines
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Posted - 2006.09.26 20:23:00 -
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Oh Hell, I never implied I had a carrier. And my wallet has never been as fat as 1bil lol. And carrier runners dont do it in complete saftey. They do it in low sec. Because thats the only place they can go!
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Riley Craven
Caldari
Black Eclipse Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.09.26 20:24:00 -
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TBH as much as I hate some of CCP choices, this is not a bad one. i would be willing to bet that this fix was low on the list compared to stability issues. Secondly, I you will not find anyone in this game that will agree with you on this matter mainly because you are not using the carrier for its intended purpose. If you want to "cheat" your way into the game then thats your choice, but no one will feel sorry for you.
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flummox
Circle of Jerks
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Posted - 2006.09.26 20:24:00 -
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what everyone else said...
also, read the EULA. CCP can, and will, do what they want to their game for the benefit of the larger populations.
but, i'm sure they'll come up with something that carriers and the like can do in the future. oh, wait... they already have. it's called fleet battle and blowing up POS...
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Ishquar Teh'Sainte
Euphoria Released
Euphoria Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.09.26 20:26:00 -
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Originally by: StealthRavenx
Oh Hell, I never implied I had a carrier. And my wallet has never been as fat as 1bil lol. And carrier runners dont do it in complete saftey. They do it in low sec. Because thats the only place they can go!
so why are you whining then if you're not affected from this "nerf"??
and btw - if it is ****** up it needs a fix .. better late then never
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StealthRavenx
Caldari
The Merchant Marines
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Posted - 2006.09.26 20:27:00 -
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Ok, ill admit, some very good points are being made, but Why did CCP let something that needed to be fixed, let go unatended to? If its that much a problem they felt they needed to remove it, why has it taken so long?
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente
Lyrus Associates
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.09.26 20:31:00 -
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All it says is you can't enter through the acceleration gates. You can still cyno jump in if the mission reward is worth the isotopes.
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Callisto Augustus
Funny Farm Fugitives
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Posted - 2006.09.26 20:34:00 -
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So wait for the level 5 agents to get activated and use your carrier for those...
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Phoenix Lonestar
Litanies of Hate
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Posted - 2006.09.26 20:36:00 -
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Probably because they a) had bigger fish to fry and b) didn't realize the extent to which people like you would take advantage of a situation.
If lvl 2s gave out a mil or two per, and I have my raven, guess what I'm gonna go do. But they don't, so I keep my Raven in lvl 4s (and get owned by that damned Zazzmatazz mish).
I had a good friend of mine get rawked by 43 players while he was in a 6/10 in his carrier (why he stuck around after local went from 3 to 46,I'll never know), so I realize that it's not a completely risk free enterprise... however... I know he also made enough money farming the plex that he just replaced it immediately. Go back to your hole and stop whining.
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Tammarr
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Posted - 2006.09.26 20:50:00 -
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Let me guess?
(Or someone direct me to official post about this :-) )
They deadspace gates let carriers get through?
Just hand your fighters out to your mission running alt/corp mates and assist with the carrier that way in lvl 4 missionwhoring? :) (If this dosent work... *sniff*)
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Major Stormer
Caldari
Demon Womb
Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.26 20:53:00 -
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Originally by: StealthRavenx
Today, i learned of CCP's plan to nerf carriers doing lvl 4 missions, which in my own opinion, is absolutely ubsurd. You shouldn't be allowed to change game mechanics like this. Do you know that kind of effect you are going to have on the economy? You are going to change a very good size portion of this game, and to strip out something that Makes people thier entire living, with little to no notice at all, is absolutely insane. You will loose alot of your carrier playerbase because of this, and Its YOUR FAULT FOR DOING IT IN THE FIRST PLACE! You Nerfed it to begin with. If it was such a problem, YOU CCP, Should have done something to repair it quickly, not let it manifest itself into what it is now. You Screwed up CCP, live with it.
AHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Cheers mate i needed a good laugh! lol doing missions in carriers anyway...AHAHAHAHA
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Afonso Henriques
Minmatar
Low Grade Ore
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Posted - 2006.09.26 20:56:00 -
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Originally by: spurious signal
Originally by: StealthRavenx
You will loose alot of your carrier playerbase because of this
I LOL'd in real-life
same tbqh
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BobFromMarketing
Amarr
Hadean Drive Yards
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Posted - 2006.09.26 20:59:00 -
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Wow so because the problem was not immediately fixed you are attempting to forbid CCP to fix it? Excuse me but are you mentally disabled?
I wonder if you can take a titan in ^^ Just for wtf value
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Lance Hawke
The Scope
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Posted - 2006.09.26 21:06:00 -
[29]
IN AD 2101 WAR WAS BEGINNING
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TobieJones
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Posted - 2006.09.26 21:08:00 -
[30]
Very dumb imo.
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Ozawi
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.09.26 21:13:00 -
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Originally by: Lance Hawke
IN AD 2101 WAR WAS BEGINNING
Main screen turn on?
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Wrangler
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Posted - 2006.09.26 21:13:00 -
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Playing EVE should be a bit challenging at least. 
Wrangler
Assistant Community Manager
EVE Online
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Surly Bob
The Church of Violentology
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Posted - 2006.09.26 21:16:00 -
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Originally by: StealthRavenx
Today, i learned of CCP's plan to nerf carriers doing lvl 4 missions, which in my own opinion, is absolutely ubsurd. You shouldn't be allowed to change game mechanics like this. Do you know that kind of effect you are going to have on the economy? You are going to change a very good size portion of this game, and to strip out something that Makes people thier entire living, with little to no notice at all, is absolutely insane. You will loose alot of your carrier playerbase because of this, and Its YOUR FAULT FOR DOING IT IN THE FIRST PLACE! You Nerfed it to begin with. If it was such a problem, YOU CCP, Should have done something to repair it quickly, not let it manifest itself into what it is now. You Screwed up CCP, live with it.
Owned 1v1 no pots.
Carriers were/are noobtraps. They are the billionaire's destroyer. I'm sure that at least 1 other person has told you this, and you replied "Hah, but they are so good at whoring missions/complexes!!"
You've been had.
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Galk
Gallente
Autumn Tactics
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Posted - 2006.09.26 21:17:00 -
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Originally by: Wrangler
Playing EVE should be a bit challenging at least.
So whats the point in skill training for 3 years...
I should have just pressed the stop button after 3 months to make it more of a challenge huh
BTW....
Try using a cap ship in low sec.... you suddenly become a very big target for people... it gets very tiring refreshing the scanner every 2 secs
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
Kimotoro Directive
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Posted - 2006.09.26 21:19:00 -
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Originally by: StealthRavenx
Today, i learned of CCP's plan to nerf carriers doing lvl 4 missions, which in my own opinion, is absolutely ubsurd. You shouldn't be allowed to change game mechanics like this. Do you know that kind of effect you are going to have on the economy? You are going to change a very good size portion of this game, and to strip out something that Makes people thier entire living, with little to no notice at all, is absolutely insane. You will loose alot of your carrier playerbase because of this, and Its YOUR FAULT FOR DOING IT IN THE FIRST PLACE! You Nerfed it to begin with. If it was such a problem, YOU CCP, Should have done something to repair it quickly, not let it manifest itself into what it is now. You Screwed up CCP, live with it.
I can't tell if this is suppose to be a joke, because it made me laugh, or if it's serious, because it's so corny.
Sorry you can't afford a dev so you get me instead ^^ - Xorus
I hear Xorus is only 50 isk an hour  - Immy
Oooh that could get Suvetar for the day! - Cathath
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Surly Bob
The Church of Violentology
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Posted - 2006.09.26 21:19:00 -
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Originally by: Galk
BTW....
Try using a cap ship in low sec.... you suddenly become a very big target for people... it gets very tiring refreshing the scanner every 2 secs
OHNOSE TEH EBIL PIERATS WANT TO KILL YUO?????????
People like you are the reason that this patch makes me so happy. In fact, my joy right now will probably only be surpassed if/when the Raven finally gets the hardcore nerfing it so richly deserves.
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Darksaber64x
Ecchi co.
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Posted - 2006.09.26 21:19:00 -
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Kinda silly to whine about this... level 4's are too easy in a raven, carriers are... quite overkill for it. Besides, some of them it must take FOREVER to get to that next jump gate, like in AE... :P
It's not going to be a HUGE GAME CHANGING EVENT!!!!!11!!!!1111oneone
I doubt it'll have much of an effect at all.
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Waragha
Art of War
Cult of War
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Posted - 2006.09.26 21:19:00 -
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Go play WoW
Originally by: Trepkos
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The only difference between GS and NPC's are that GS respawn quicker.
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Sergio Ling
Standard Operations Building Services
Maelstrom Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.26 21:23:00 -
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Originally by: StealthRavenx
Today, i learned of CCP's plan to nerf carriers doing lvl 4 missions, which in my own opinion, is absolutely ubsurd. You shouldn't be allowed to change game mechanics like this. Do you know that kind of effect you are going to have on the economy? You are going to change a very good size portion of this game, and to strip out something that Makes people thier entire living, with little to no notice at all, is absolutely insane. You will loose alot of your carrier playerbase because of this, and Its YOUR FAULT FOR DOING IT IN THE FIRST PLACE! You Nerfed it to begin with. If it was such a problem, YOU CCP, Should have done something to repair it quickly, not let it manifest itself into what it is now. You Screwed up CCP, live with it.
OHNOES THE SKY IS FALLING
seriously. just...I dunno. I have no suggestions for this grade of idiocy.
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Galk
Gallente
Autumn Tactics
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Posted - 2006.09.26 21:28:00 -
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Originally by: Surly Bob
Originally by: Galk
BTW....
Try using a cap ship in low sec.... you suddenly become a very big target for people... it gets very tiring refreshing the scanner every 2 secs
OHNOSE TEH EBIL PIERATS WANT TO KILL YUO?????????
People like you are the reason that this patch makes me so happy. In fact, my joy right now will probably only be surpassed if/when the Raven finally gets the hardcore nerfing it so richly deserves.
This is nothing but a troll...
If you actualy knew anything about me personaly, you would know i don't give a ****
Iv'e probaly lost in the region of about 6-7 billion isk worth of ships to said evil pirates..
Back under your rock
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kieron
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Posted - 2006.09.26 21:28:00 -
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I do not believe the original design intention for Carriers, Motherships and Titans included the ability to enter complexes, but rather for them to be the flagship of PvP fleet battles. Nerf? Maybe. A return to the original design intention? Certainly.
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Major Stormer
Caldari
Demon Womb
Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.26 21:31:00 -
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Originally by: kieron
I do not believe the original design intention for Carriers, Motherships and Titans included the ability to enter complexes, but rather for them to be the flagship of PvP fleet battles. Nerf? Maybe. A return to the original design intention? Certainly.
Indeed, Thank you :)
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Surly Bob
The Church of Violentology
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Posted - 2006.09.26 21:33:00 -
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Originally by: Galk
This is nothing but a troll...
If you actualy knew anything about me personaly, you would know i don't give a ****
Iv'e probaly lost in the region of about 6-7 billion isk worth of ships to said evil pirates..
Back under your rock
If you care so little, why are you crying like a *****?
You do realize that it requires hours of work and a whole bunch of dumb luck to even have A CHANCE of catching a missioner in lowsec with probes, right? Of course not, since just the thought of taking your precious into a .4 system gives you the shakes.
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Serapis Aote
TBC
Novus Ordos Seclorum
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Posted - 2006.09.26 21:34:00 -
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This may be the dumbest thing I have read in a long time. I wonder if the original poster is either a bit drunk/slow or about 10 years old.
It doesnt take a rocket scientist to understand or fathom why a carrier in the lvl 4s is maybe just a wee bit overpowered. And I dont know if you have played the game in awhile but the devs have had a little problem with the dragon code and some lag and node crashes. So they didnt get to this problem right away.
But the fact you actually assumed the devs plan was to trivialize a large part of their game is purely idiotic. To post up a rant on the forum that they fixed the bug that enabled you to trivilize said content for months is just hilarious. Thank you for the laugh.
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DefJam101
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Posted - 2006.09.26 21:35:00 -
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Umm guys?
Did any of you stop and notice that following this nerf Ginger Magician might lose 100 of his Megathrons over the course of a week after Kali (Stab Nerf) and now he might not have any money to buy more?(Carrier Farm nerf)
Sounds good to me, farmers ftl ^_^
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Ruffio Sepico
Minmatar
Hidden Agenda
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Posted - 2006.09.26 21:35:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Wrangler
Playing EVE should be a bit challenging at least.
Doing missions in low sec in a carrier makes you a nice target for once, and each time you lose a fighter drone you lose more than the mission usally worth. Heck, even some of the level 4 missions can be a challenge even in a Carrier.
Zrakor said himself good while back on the mission forums that level 4 missions wasnt meant to be for groups and nothing changed to them since then. Since then both the dangers of doing level 4's increased and the rewards for doing them been nerfed.
Whats the point in release all these expensie toys if they gonna be limited in the way they can be used? You can't use capital ships in 0.5 and above, and low sec is more dangerous than 0.0. People can fine rat in 0.0 with a carrier if they want, and still that is more rewarding than any level 4 mission afaik.
I'm not doing level 4's in a carrier, but more busy building such ships to sell and will probably be affected by this change as well.
Its nice to see that CCP nerf and change things, and introduce new things that apparently should just be limited to a few. But maybe its an idea to think about many of these players also take part in pay for the bread and butter for CCP as well. We all play the game to have fun after all, if people start feel CCP cater only for a few the game might quickly grow stale for some which would be bad imho.
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Isyel
Minmatar
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2006.09.26 21:36:00 -
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I feel sorry for the people needing a carrier to do them. And even more for those thinking they're so much better for doing it in them rather than battleships. The sky is falling indeed, and fighters too!. Ohnoes.
Please, just... stop with the nonsense whining. I understand Amarr, heck, i understand BMs, Node crashes, Lag (all horses beaten to death, resurrected, and beaten again, again and again) etc. but come on, you just ~have~ to be kidding me here. Is there no artificial wall, no boundaries for people to see they're trying to make this game something... too easy? I await the whines after they do it if they cave in to this nonsense.
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Isyel
Minmatar
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2006.09.26 21:38:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Ruffio Sepico
Originally by: Wrangler
Playing EVE should be a bit challenging at least.
Doing missions in low sec in a carrier makes you a nice target for once, and each time you lose a fighter drone you lose more than the mission usally worth. Heck, even some of the level 4 missions can be a challenge even in a Carrier.
Zrakor said himself good while back on the mission forums that level 4 missions wasnt meant to be for groups and nothing changed to them since then. Since then both the dangers of doing level 4's increased and the rewards for doing them been nerfed.
Whats the point in release all these expensie toys if they gonna be limited in the way they can be used? You can't use capital ships in 0.5 and above, and low sec is more dangerous than 0.0. People can fine rat in 0.0 with a carrier if they want, and still that is more rewarding than any level 4 mission afaik.
I'm not doing level 4's in a carrier, but more busy building such ships to sell and will probably be affected by this change as well.
Its nice to see that CCP nerf and change things, and introduce new things that apparently should just be limited to a few. But maybe its an idea to think about many of these players also take part in pay for the bread and butter for CCP as well. We all play the game to have fun after all, if people start feel CCP cater only for a few the game might quickly grow stale for some which would be bad imho.
0.0 ratting more rewarding than lvl 4s? You're kidding me, right? People seem to think 0.0 is some fantastic wonderland sort of thing. Well let me tell you, if i rat anywhere in my region i do about 1/4 of what a certain mission whoring friend of mine does. Balanced indeed.
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Surly Bob
The Church of Violentology
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Posted - 2006.09.26 21:39:00 -
[49]
Quote:
some of the level 4 missions can be a challenge even in a Carrier.
L O L
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Ruffio Sepico
Minmatar
Hidden Agenda
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Posted - 2006.09.26 21:41:00 -
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Originally by: kieron
I do not believe the original design intention for Carriers, Motherships and Titans included the ability to enter complexes, but rather for them to be the flagship of PvP fleet battles. Nerf? Maybe. A return to the original design intention? Certainly.
Then the design is flawed regarding cost of build these as well. As it doesnt take much effort to raise the funds to buy them, at least not carriers. And if used as flagships, bring dozens of them at a fleet battle sounds just wrong. If it wasnt intended it should have been fixed right away imho. Not a long time afterwards when many players obtained such ships and end up have them for little else than look at in their hangers.
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
Kimotoro Directive
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Posted - 2006.09.26 21:42:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Clone runner
Edited by: Clone runner on 26/09/2006 20:18:55
command ships shouldnt be allowed to do l4 missions either then.....
and when is tux going to fix carriers like he promised months ago? he said they would get a boost and they havent
Fix coming with Kali maybe?
Sorry you can't afford a dev so you get me instead ^^ - Xorus
I hear Xorus is only 50 isk an hour - Immy
Oooh that could get Suvetar for the day! - Cathath
For 50, you can have my goat:P- Tirg |
Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
Kimotoro Directive
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Posted - 2006.09.26 21:44:00 -
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Originally by: ViperZXT
Originally by: Lord WarATron
Actually - sell the carrier, buy a Gist -X Xlarge and you are a batter tank
Erm, no. A Gist XL probably wont be as good a tank lol. I dont care how many of what type amps you have or implants 0r anything.
Till you can get at least 8k boost in 10seconds from a Gist XL, its a no.
With HG crystal set, dual estamel/x-type amps, and an XL xtype, you boost about 2200 in 4 seconds.
And since you're not a giant brick, you might be harder to hit, and if you're in a CBC, your resists are much more likely to be pwntastic.
Sorry you can't afford a dev so you get me instead ^^ - Xorus
I hear Xorus is only 50 isk an hour - Immy
Oooh that could get Suvetar for the day! - Cathath
For 50, you can have my goat:P- Tirg |
Ruffio Sepico
Minmatar
Hidden Agenda
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Posted - 2006.09.26 21:45:00 -
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Originally by: Surly Bob
Quote:
some of the level 4 missions can be a challenge even in a Carrier.
L O L
Yeah I can see you talk out of experience right?
Home: http://www.hidden-agenda.co.uk
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Galk
Gallente
Autumn Tactics
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Posted - 2006.09.26 21:50:00 -
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Originally by: Surly Bob
Originally by: Galk
This is nothing but a troll...
If you actualy knew anything about me personaly, you would know i don't give a ****
Iv'e probaly lost in the region of about 6-7 billion isk worth of ships to said evil pirates..
Back under your rock
If you care so little, why are you crying like a *****?
You do realize that it requires hours of work and a whole bunch of dumb luck to even have A CHANCE of catching a missioner in lowsec with probes, right? into a .4 Of course not, since just the thought of taking your precious system gives you the shakes.
Trolling again huh....
Umm i happen to know/did... the best tracker in the game... i certainly know it doesn't take hours Mr troll.. i know exactly how it's done also in the quickest posible time also.... and ofc with my extreme knowledge of missioning.. i can tell you it would be easy to catch a dread/carrier in most missions.. there's only 2 (that you would use a cap in) that are easy to align never to be caught in.
Precious system... i don't quite follow this?
Some kind of personal insult or something.. like your opening statement?
As i tried to point out in my original post... there will be absolutely no reason to run low sec missions for me.. im not going to be jumping gates in officer fitted faction ships in low sec... because i know exactly how to gank people at gates like anybody else using multiple accounts with alt's... i used to do it:/
As for crying.. nahh... admit it... you only said that to wind me up when i made it clear i wasn't botherd (all typical greify trolls do it in a final attempt)
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Posted - 2006.09.26 21:51:00 -
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carriers in missions are actually an isk sink.
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digitalwanderer
Gallente
The Nest
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Posted - 2006.09.26 21:56:00 -
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Originally by: kieron
I do not believe the original design intention for Carriers, Motherships and Titans included the ability to enter complexes, but rather for them to be the flagship of PvP fleet battles. Nerf? Maybe. A return to the original design intention? Certainly.
Then how about adding some extra size to the ships themselves,given that they are flagships,since they're only 10% less heavy that a dread of the same race on average,and also have only about 30% less overall volume,yet the size difference between both is huge(carrier being 5x smaller at least)...
Chimera is actually smaller than an Apoc ffs...Some capital ship for a 2.5 billion investement in ship/skills/fittings/fighters 
Given those numbers,they should be at least 3/4 of the size of a dread and motherships should be half the size of a titan....(yep,volume and mass are screwed up on those too).
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The Church of Violentology
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Posted - 2006.09.26 22:02:00 -
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Edited by: Surly Bob on 26/09/2006 22:05:58
Originally by: Galk
As i tried to point out in my original post... there will be absolutely no reason to run low sec missions for me.. im not going to be jumping gates in officer fitted faction ships in low sec... because i know exactly how to gank people at gates like anybody else using multiple accounts with alt's... i used to do it:/
It's called risk/reward. If you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen.
If you are sitting there claiming that it was CCP's design intention to add in a class of ship that allowed mission runners to clear missions in under a couple minutes with no risk whatsoever of being blown up, then you might as well save your effort - nobody is buying it.
You do realize that you can still assign your fighters to an alt in an inty/shuttle and do the same exploit, right? Be sure to alt-tab over and switch safespots every few minutes, though. I'm probing for you. 
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Ruffio Sepico
Minmatar
Hidden Agenda
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Posted - 2006.09.26 22:06:00 -
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Originally by: Surly Bob
Originally by: Galk
As i tried to point out in my original post... there will be absolutely no reason to run low sec missions for me.. im not going to be jumping gates in officer fitted faction ships in low sec... because i know exactly how to gank people at gates like anybody else using multiple accounts with alt's... i used to do it:/
It's called risk/reward. If you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen.
If you are sitting there claiming that it was CCP's design intention to add in a class of ship that allowed mission runners to clear missions in under a couple minutes with no risk whatsoever of being blown up, then you might as well save your effort - nobody is buying it.
You do realize that you can still assign your fighters to an alt in an inty/shuttle and do the same exploit, right?
So, you been clearing missions in a carrier in a couple minutes? I just want to know, so you actually talk out from experience rather than just "make up" something as you go along?
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D'onryu Shoqui
Vengeance of the Fallen
Imperium Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.26 22:07:00 -
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Edited by: D''onryu Shoqui on 26/09/2006 22:07:17
Originally by: Wrangler
Playing EVE should be a bit challenging at least.
dont let command ships in either then
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I do not believe the original design intention for Carriers, Motherships and Titans included the ability to enter complexes, but rather for them to be the flagship of PvP fleet battles. Nerf? Maybe. A return to the original design intention? Certainly.
when do carriers get a boost so they can be on the front lines then? tux or someone mentioned it months ago and nothing has happened at all.
guess hes to busy balancing the new ships for kali , then he will be to busy with new ships for something else and it will never get done
guess the recons wont get fixed ever either so they can do what they were intended, cloak and cyno
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The Church of Violentology
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Posted - 2006.09.26 22:10:00 -
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Edited by: Surly Bob on 26/09/2006 22:12:16
Originally by: Ruffio Sepico
Originally by: Surly Bob
Originally by: Galk
As i tried to point out in my original post... there will be absolutely no reason to run low sec missions for me.. im not going to be jumping gates in officer fitted faction ships in low sec... because i know exactly how to gank people at gates like anybody else using multiple accounts with alt's... i used to do it:/
It's called risk/reward. If you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen.
If you are sitting there claiming that it was CCP's design intention to add in a class of ship that allowed mission runners to clear missions in under a couple minutes with no risk whatsoever of being blown up, then you might as well save your effort - nobody is buying it.
You do realize that you can still assign your fighters to an alt in an inty/shuttle and do the same exploit, right?
So, you been clearing missions in a carrier in a couple minutes? I just want to know, so you actually talk out from experience rather than just "make up" something as you go along?
If you find doing missions in a carrier to be hard, then you must have the wit and hand-eye coordination of a sloth. I've seen carriers in action on missions/complexes, and they *****them in the hands of a skilled missioner. If a lone BS or even a small group of BSes come after you, odds are you will *****them, as well.
A player as old as you should be able to kill other players with a capship, unless you got your account off ebay or something.
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Vengeance of the Fallen
Imperium Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.26 22:12:00 -
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Quote:
If you find doing missions in a carrier to be hard, then you must have the wit and hand-eye coordination of a sloth.
theres always the risk of getting ganked though it has happened to people doing missions in cap ships before. maybe thats the risk hes talking about
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Ruffio Sepico
Minmatar
Hidden Agenda
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Posted - 2006.09.26 22:15:00 -
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Originally by: Surly Bob
Originally by: Ruffio Sepico
Originally by: Surly Bob
Originally by: Galk
As i tried to point out in my original post... there will be absolutely no reason to run low sec missions for me.. im not going to be jumping gates in officer fitted faction ships in low sec... because i know exactly how to gank people at gates like anybody else using multiple accounts with alt's... i used to do it:/
It's called risk/reward. If you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen.
If you are sitting there claiming that it was CCP's design intention to add in a class of ship that allowed mission runners to clear missions in under a couple minutes with no risk whatsoever of being blown up, then you might as well save your effort - nobody is buying it.
You do realize that you can still assign your fighters to an alt in an inty/shuttle and do the same exploit, right?
So, you been clearing missions in a carrier in a couple minutes? I just want to know, so you actually talk out from experience rather than just "make up" something as you go along?
If you find doing missions in a carrier to be hard, then you must have the wit and hand-eye coordination of a sloth. I've seen carriers in action on missions/complexes, and they *****them in the hands of a skilled missioner. If a lone BS or even a small group of BSes come after you, odds are you will *****them, as well.
There is already posts on these forums about carriers that been taken down by a handfull ships. Carriers isnt all they *****ed up to be. Carriers fitted for pvp and carriers fitted for pve is 2 different things. Just because you seen something doesnt mean you experienced it yourself.
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Lee Lab
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Posted - 2006.09.26 22:16:00 -
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Do those who speak how great this "fix" is at least have a carier?
Not everyone is into pvp - some play this game to earn isk and build something, not only waste them.
Those who run missions pick the best possible means to do them, and if any better means are available they do whatever possible to get them.
Carier is not a simple sollution which is easy to get - don't forget it's about 2.5b isk in ship, skills, fittings, and about 3-4 months of training (depending on char).
The decisions are made based on world of eve, for long time capital ships were able to run missions and now they can't as it's not their intended role - nice way to waste few months of working on isks and skills.
Still... cariers are to be flagships of battles... I like the idea... they will make nice fireworks.
They can't do missions as their role is being a flag ship in pvp...
Why then command ship can do missions? What will it command? himself? his gang?
Let's assume command ship goes with gang - why then carier can't go with gang to be the flasghip of gang doing a mission?
Let's continue on making the ships following their roles - why support ships can enter mission zones?
In the end they are meant for fleet battle support... ah and don't forget recons in case one would like to use them.... what to recon in mission zone? it's always the same...
So I vote now to block command ships as well from runing missions... in fact they shall also be blocked from solo gate camping (lone pirate in command ship commanding what? time lapse? you got to be kidding me...)
Or maybe let's just cut the wallets of those who reached more than X isk - "We" can't earn... "no one" can.
And as it was pointed in this thread... carier is overkill in lvl 4 mission what makes them easy...
Many points were taken as well (not only in this thread) that ravens are also easy ride on lvl4 missions.... how about blocking them as well?
Oh and maybe it's time to block HAC's from lvl 3 missions? they are easy in hac as well...
I would appreaciate answers where posters would at least take some time to think on what they write, not only "Can I have your stuff" or things like that.
And few final words... If using ship having superior firepower to have easier task is an exploit, then using anything but velator is an exploit. Mining with hulk would be exploit as they mine more than other ship - so they make mining easier... Mentioned above hac's, command ships, battleships, cruisers, virtually ANY ship type/class would be an exploit, as there would always be something it would make too easy - crap... any ship is an exploit... they make travelling from station to station easy... you just click and you are there in some time... you shall "go there on foot"... exploits... exploits anywhere...
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The Church of Violentology
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Posted - 2006.09.26 22:18:00 -
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Edited by: Surly Bob on 26/09/2006 22:18:06
Originally by: Ruffio Sepico
There is already posts on these forums about carriers that been taken down by a handfull ships. Carriers isnt all they *****ed up to be. Carriers fitted for pvp and carriers fitted for pve is 2 different things. Just because you seen something doesnt mean you experienced it yourself.
I agree that carriers aren't all they are *****ed up to be, but they currently are insanely uber at clearing out missions and complexes. I hope that this nerf to using them as mission boats is soon followed by a boost to using them for combat.
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
Kimotoro Directive
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Posted - 2006.09.26 22:19:00 -
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Originally by: Ruffio Sepico
Originally by: Surly Bob
Quote:
some of the level 4 missions can be a challenge even in a Carrier.
L O L
Yeah I can see you talk out of experience right?
Or he's probably one of the many people who've used a BS to churn every level 4 mission out there. If a Level 4 is hard for your carrier, then you're doing some very,v ery wrong.
Other than using the carrier to mission ***** that is.
Sorry you can't afford a dev so you get me instead ^^ - Xorus
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Major Stormer
Caldari
Demon Womb
Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.26 22:20:00 -
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Only time ive ever heard of a carrier going down was a Goonfleet carrier on a lvl 4 mission. Dunno how it happened, but it was goonfleet, im sure they deserved it ;)
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Galk
Gallente
Autumn Tactics
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Posted - 2006.09.26 22:21:00 -
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Umm risk reward..
I can camp gates with absoultely ZERO risk in low sec... combo of alts.. knowing the locals.. who will fight.. who you know won't...
Ill use an alt to scan the guys mission.. ill know exactly how he's fitted.. prep mine... head 2 ships to a gate... if nobody credible is logged in his home system.. ill just sit and wait for him to return... (he doesn't stand a chance)
Ofc ill be in insta range of the gate.. ill know whats coming on the other side (or worst comes to the worst.. ill have to drop it if the system nextdoor he's in gets hostile.. or people start logging in system)
Risk to me.... absolutely ZERO.. all i have to do is sit there scanning the npc's in his mission to make sure he's killing them.. and not being some clever ******* with a pvp setup...
Anyway.. with the prices of time codes going up.... i could just drop a tenner in ccp's pocket... and buy the isk id make in a full day of running missions low sec (as is... about 200 million a day)
Risk.. reward.. ziltch.... i wonder if kieron would take up that and change it..... as im sure it's being abused in the manner it wasn't intended
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Ruffio Sepico
Minmatar
Hidden Agenda
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Posted - 2006.09.26 22:22:00 -
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Originally by: D'onryu Shoqui
Quote:
If you find doing missions in a carrier to be hard, then you must have the wit and hand-eye coordination of a sloth.
theres always the risk of getting ganked though it has happened to people doing missions in cap ships before. maybe thats the risk hes talking about
Think most can agree that doing missions in low sec is more dangerous than ratting in 0.0. And a Carrier is a very tempting target, and its proven several times that a small group of ships can take one down fairly easy enough. If the evolution of mission runners in empire is to get a carrier to do them in low sec why not let them? Its a isk sink (sort of). Heck there is player pirates with Dreads and Carriers hunting players with them too. Is these "fleet ships" intended to be "yarr boats" too?
There is a greater population of the EVE players living and playing in Empire space, no matter what the size of the carrots CCP place in 0.0, players evolve as themself want and at their own phase. And after playing for over 3 years, I havent seen that changed.
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BobFromMarketing
Amarr
Hadean Drive Yards
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Posted - 2006.09.26 22:23:00 -
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We must preserve this post along with the petition involving spahgetti and a chicken sandwich.
Just for its WTF are you serious value
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rodgerd
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2006.09.26 22:23:00 -
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Originally by: kieron
I do not believe the original design intention for Carriers, Motherships and Titans included the ability to enter complexes, but rather for them to be the flagship of PvP fleet battles. Nerf? Maybe. A return to the original design intention? Certainly.
It's a good design decision, but I would like to have had the chance to take a capital through a Level 4 just to see how totally overpowered it would be. Oh well.
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Al Thorr
Caldari
The Wheel
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Posted - 2006.09.26 22:39:00 -
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Pity its not April 1st
Unless it is .... somewhere in the universe..
This is a 'wind up' thread though isnt it ?
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Al Thorr
"You cant polish a turd" - The new rendered font is living proof.
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Gonada
Gallente
Cross Roads
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Posted - 2006.09.26 22:44:00 -
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this OP has to be trolling or something.
man if not , he is the , um well you know that we all have even seen.
yes please nerf carriers doing lvl 4 missions CCP, carriers belong in fleets not in missons.
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Lee Lab
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Posted - 2006.09.26 22:52:00 -
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Gonada - as well please nerf command ships, logistic ships, assault ships, heavy assault ships.
When you are doing lvl3 in battlecruiser and buy a battleship for 10x the price and do the same mission everyone is pleased.
When you are doing lvl4 in battleship and buy carrier for 25x the price and do exactly the same thing, suddenly it's bad bad thing.
Maybe let's make it equal for everyone?
velator - all missions
t1 frigates - medium level 1 and thougher missions
cruisers - lvl2 and above
battlecruisers and hacs - lvl3 and above
battleships - lvl4
you want to fly battleship into lvl3? nono... no farming iskies... farming iskies is bad... mmmkay?
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Fuujin
Hadean Drive Yards
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Posted - 2006.09.26 22:57:00 -
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Originally by: spurious signal
Originally by: StealthRavenx
You will loose alot of your carrier playerbase because of this
I LOL'd in real-life
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Posted - 2006.09.26 23:07:00 -
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About time they've been hitting empire runners because of no risk. While near to invulnerable carriers have been drawing more ISK in low sec. If you want carriers leaving alone get the to boost empire missions don't see why one side of the coin should be nerfed and not the other.
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Tammarr
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Posted - 2006.09.26 23:08:00 -
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/me remembers that carriers cant use stargates.
/me remembers acceleration gate working like a huge slingshot
/me thinks something as big as a carrier would get thrashed from the forces or something.
There we have it. Easily and possibly correct.
And oh
/me thinks the ones complaining are the ones that just lost their time infront of the tv while their carrier afkd the mission.
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Coran Ordus
Ominous Corp
Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2006.09.26 23:13:00 -
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Originally by: Lee Lab
Gonada - as well please nerf command ships, logistic ships, assault ships, heavy assault ships.
When you are doing lvl3 in battlecruiser and buy a battleship for 10x the price and do the same mission everyone is pleased.
When you are doing lvl4 in battleship and buy carrier for 25x the price and do exactly the same thing, suddenly it's bad bad thing.
Maybe let's make it equal for everyone?
velator - all missions
t1 frigates - medium level 1 and thougher missions
cruisers - lvl2 and above
battlecruisers and hacs - lvl3 and above
battleships - lvl4
you want to fly battleship into lvl3? nono... no farming iskies... farming iskies is bad... mmmkay?
The BC->BS upgrade is not that tremendous. You'll tank a lot better, but a properly fitted BC can tank lvl3s just fine anyway. You can't really use BS sized weaponry, because torping frigates to death is the most boring thing in the world. Even heavy missiles on an NPC interceptor are cause for a coffee-break while you wear him down.
On the other hand, the transition from BS->Carrier/Moros is much more extreme in the amount of damage you can deal and tank (And various sized drones you can field.) As well, the economic impact of level 4s is far greater than level 3s. Even the best level3s rarely will net you more than a few million an hour.
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Posted - 2006.09.26 23:28:00 -
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This thread has pretty much run its course. I'm going to lock it with one final thought. It is a paraphrase of an Oveur quote.
The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
The patch is taking care of this.
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Archi Viralfury
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Posted - 2006.09.26 23:28:00 -
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You people that flame people for voicing their own oppinions about this or any other topic are just sick in my oppinion.
And to people that say that if you find some level 4 missions hard in a carrier, you do know that people adapt to life in different ways dont you. I mean if everyone could do everything woth the same degree of skill as everyone else, all you YARRing people would be faced with quite a dilema wouldnt you... i mean raven v raven with the exact same level of skill and tactics = stalemate, then what would they do... i tell you what.. they would go get a fried or friends or a BIGGER ship so that it would be easier.
So lets take an average person that has below averge grasp of the game.. just because that person doesnt have the same level of "expertise" in this game does that mean that they are not alowed to progress?
I for one am not afraid to admit that i find some of the level 4 misison impossible to do in my battleships and i cant always rely on support from anyone else to do a mission . sometimes im on my own. So if i had the skills to fly a carrier or a dread and it enabled me to complete said mission i would go and do that. Just because all you flamers and laughers are so UBER in your game play doesnt mean that people that cant grasp the game as well as you for various reasons should be devoid of any enjoyment from it because you think its laughable.
So before you flame and upset the next person in the line thats not as elite as you. Please take a moment to step into their shoes and look at things for their side.
And to the DEV's for the love of god, why?
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Lee Lab
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Posted - 2006.09.26 23:30:00 -
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Coran - I'll stick to gallente as example as cariers are "droners".
You run missions in brutix, you have problems with lvl3 - you buy dominix (60mil) and fit for it (I doubt it will exceed 10mil with the drones).
You just got BIG firepower boost and BIG tank ability boost. Do you still earn same few mil per hour? I doubt, as you can finish mission way faster - due to increased firepower of battleship, and ability to knock out close targets with smartbombs)
What is missed in many posts here... lvl4 missions are BORING anyway. in most cases it's not about doing or not doing it but about time spent on it.
With carier the time is shorter, again profit goes up as you can do the mission faster - but for what price?
Does anyone here believe cariers are cheap toys? 12 fighters (after you get a carier 12 is not quite reasonable amount you can deploy) cost 240+ mil (and that's just one set...).
Will you get that back fast?
My bet it will take longer to get back carier investment with lvl4 missions than to get back battleship investment with lvl3.
Point of isk farming is not valid in my opinion - you earn more, but it costs WAY more to be able to.
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