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Pharill An Eye For An Eye AN EYE F0R AN EYE 8	Posted - 2015.01.27 18:17:54 - [31] - Quote What a.. Perfectly wonderful piece of news. CCP has given everything lately to the whiners and complainers. Finally we have an instance where "Working as intended" is perfectly correct and will generate the vastly superior tears of the hichsec carebear.
Erufen Rito The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People 357	Posted - 2015.01.27 18:19:24 - [32] - Quote Tippia wrote: Erufen Rito wrote: It stands to reason then, to have CONCORD preloaded on grid while mining as a legitimate tactic right? I mean the attacking ship does get killed, as expected, and concord remains on grid, as desired. I paid the price of having concord on my selected grid, and thus I'm not abusing game mechanics. Right? This has pretty much always been the case, as long as you go for the mythical recycled alt. It was actually deemed an exploit quite while ago. I'd be happy to show you the source, but I don't have the time for it right now. Im sure someone else knows where it is. But trust me, it was an exploit at some point. This is as nice as I get. Best quote ever https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4137165#post4137165
Counselor Gina Silk Road Descendants 0	Posted - 2015.01.27 18:20:48 - [33] - Quote I'm fairly new - not a ganker or a freighter, so I really have no horse in this race - but I've always had a question. It seems like the vast majority of contested methods of attack all come down to bumping not being considered an act of aggression. Why is it that way? Bumping can almost indefinitely prevent warp (right?), and as long as your locked (another act of non-aggression), you can't log off either? I get bumps happen non-aggressively from time to time - but freighters tell me (I contract them a ton) they get bumped for 10, 20, 30 minutes and more. If this is not an act of aggression, why is my scram or point? Again, I'm pretty ambivalent to it either way, I'm just wondering the historical roots for this decision?
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 24752	Posted - 2015.01.27 18:21:39 - [34] - Quote Erufen Rito wrote: It was actually deemed an exploit quite while ago. I'd be happy to show you the source, but I don't have the time for it right now. Im sure someone else knows where it is. But trust me, it was an exploit at some point. Yeah, no. it has been claimed to be an exploit for ages, and no-one has ever been able to provide any kind of evidence or source to suggest anything of the kind that I've seen. The best that has appeared is a mention that you're not allowed to recycle alts, which they have wilfully misconstrued as a ban on CONCORD manipulation. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2.
Concord Guy's Cousin State War Academy Caldari State 430	Posted - 2015.01.27 18:22:28 - [35] - Quote Erufen Rito wrote: It was actually deemed an exploit quite while ago. I'd be happy to show you the source, but I don't have the time for it right now. Im sure someone else knows where it is. But trust me, it was an exploit at some point. It was ruled upon in July last year, the ruling is linked in my previous post. ISD LackOfFaith ~ "Your Catalyst was a hamster, and your Retriever smelt of elderberries" NPC Forum Alt, because reasons.
Arkon Olacar Bearded BattleBears Brave Collective 488	Posted - 2015.01.27 18:23:51 - [36] - Quote Erufen Rito wrote: Tippia wrote: Erufen Rito wrote: It stands to reason then, to have CONCORD preloaded on grid while mining as a legitimate tactic right? I mean the attacking ship does get killed, as expected, and concord remains on grid, as desired. I paid the price of having concord on my selected grid, and thus I'm not abusing game mechanics. Right? This has pretty much always been the case, as long as you go for the mythical recycled alt. It was actually deemed an exploit quite while ago. I'd be happy to show you the source, but I don't have the time for it right now. Im sure someone else knows where it is. But trust me, it was an exploit at some point. You're talking nonsense here buddy Warping to zero
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 24752	Posted - 2015.01.27 18:25:57 - [37] - Quote Counselor Gina wrote: It seems like the vast majority of contested methods of attack all come down to bumping not being considered an act of aggression. Why is it that way? Bumping can almost indefinitely prevent warp (right?), and as long as your locked (another act of non-aggression), you can't log off either? Quite simple: because it doesn't prevent a ship from warping. In fact, it does not impart any negative effects of any kind; it doesn't change any stats; it uses no aggressive modules or any other items that would trigger anything. Beyond that, policing collisions would make it trivial to gank for free since intent is not something you can really judge and decide in code, so it would have a decidedly negative effect on the game if something like that were implemented. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2.
Dodo Veetee Dixon Cox Butte Preservation Society Black Legion. 17	Posted - 2015.01.27 18:29:16 - [38] - Quote "Players are also reminded that if someone is criminally flagged, they are fair game to be attacked in self-defense. Feel free to use this to your advantage." Let me just fit weapons on my freighter from now on so I can fight back OH WAIT Back to using escorts, bois.
Mag's the united 18869	Posted - 2015.01.27 18:34:20 - [39] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: Mag's wrote: Lucas Kell wrote: So why is it not considered an exploit considering you are avoiding the entire consequence of having the criminal timer. Because they are not avoiding them. Of course you are. They may as well have the criminal timer expire once concord blows up their ship and replace it with a suspect timer if they are still allowed to freely operate as if it didn't exist. The criminal timer prevents you warping a ship while it ticks down. Using an alt to warp that ship for you in an orca then hopping into it while in space seems to be against what the criminal timer is for, so why does it even exist? No you're not avoiding them. The criminal timer means you are to be shot on sight, in any ship in high sec. It does not stop you boarding them. If it were meant to do that, it would. Just because you are trying to equate your ideals on top of the criminal timer, doesn't change the fact they are not avoid the consequences of it. Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Market McSelling Alt Bernie Madoff Investment Services LLC 27	Posted - 2015.01.27 18:35:14 - [40] - Quote If we want the policy changed, all we have to do is hyperdunk Chribba in his Veldnaught... CCP would reverse position on this faster than Concord could respond.
Mag's the united 18870	Posted - 2015.01.27 18:38:12 - [41] - Quote Market McSelling Alt wrote: If we want the policy changed, all we have to do is hyperdunk Chribba in his Veldnaught... CCP would reverse position on this faster than Concord could respond. You win the Darwin award for best post this month. Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
afkalt Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 710	Posted - 2015.01.27 18:41:09 - [42] - Quote Concord Guy's Cousin wrote: Fit a tank I don't believe you know how this works. In the slightest. Or did you find a way to ninja an ACTIVE tank onto a freighter?
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 24760	Posted - 2015.01.27 18:41:27 - [43] - Quote Market McSelling Alt wrote: If we want the policy changed, all we have to do is hyperdunk Chribba in his Veldnaught... Excellent. Given the repping capacity of a Revelation, the policy will remain until the end of time, as it should. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2.
epicurus ataraxia Z3R0 Return Mining Inc. Illusion of Solitude 1482	Posted - 2015.01.27 18:45:45 - [44] - Quote The reply from CCP Falcon is welcome. There should be no ambiguity in this matter. However. If CCP decide this is not only unintended, but also not desirable or balanced, and make it an exploit later, Then no one will be in any doubt of the matter. If this is used in a self restrained manner then it is unlikely to need such attention. we will see if self restraint is shown by the community. There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE
Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 9512	Posted - 2015.01.27 18:48:14 - [45] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: Considering one of the driving factors for the removal of input broadcasting was preventing people from being able to solo gank large ships and structures with ease, this seems like the exact opposite. Hey, I get to post my 1st ever "Citation Needed" thing. So....Citation...It is required.
Crumplecorn Eve Cluster Explorations 1923	Posted - 2015.01.27 18:49:29 - [46] - Quote An announcment of CCP not ******* up, and olympic grade mental gymnastics from carebears, all in one thread. I approve. In my day, we used to call this toasting in an epic bread. Witty Image - Stream Not Liking this post hurts my RL feelings and will be considered harassment
Callic Veratar 654	Posted - 2015.01.27 18:52:11 - [47] - Quote I think I'll have to start looking for hyperdunkers and start collecting their abandoned ships.
Powers Sa 1389	Posted - 2015.01.27 18:57:30 - [48] - Quote There is absolutely no NEW MECHANIC. It's just an abandoned tactic called boomeranging that was repurposed when concord was patched to prevent you from warping. So you could call it a new tactic. Do you like winning t2 frigs and dictors for Dirt Cheap?https://eveninggames.net/register/ref/dQddmNgyLhFBqNJk Remeber: Gambling addiction is no laughing matter unless you've lost a vast space fortune on the internet.
Lucas Kell Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance 4969	Posted - 2015.01.27 18:58:11 - [49] - Quote Concord Guy's Cousin wrote: The consequences of having a GCC are that you explode at the hands of Concord when you board a ship or undock in one, which is exactly what happens when you use this tactic. But that's not the only consequence. You are unable to warp for a reason. Why even bother having that restriction if it can just be bypassed? Concord Guy's Cousin wrote: If the purpose of the GCC timer was to completely shut you down, then you wouldn't be able to board a ship while under a GCC timer. And you shouldn't be able to. Clearly it is supposed to shut you down. Even the OP call it "unintended". Concord Guy's Cousin wrote: Your point is what exactly? That you're supposed to get a 15 minute timer for a gank. Instead you get a 2 minute timer if you gank 2 minutes after your first one. Concord Guy's Cousin wrote: This has always been the case, using an Orca to reship during a POS bash is an old trick for example. If you don't want your ship or structure to be solo ganked then you take steps to protect it. I don't disagree, but then the gankers should also have to put some bloody effort in. This means they can just chuck as many 2m isk catalysts at a target as they need. To be honest it's pointless arguing with someone like you because you're not interested in what's fair and balanced gameplay. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. Chrysus Industries - Savings made simple!
Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 9512	Posted - 2015.01.27 19:02:03 - [50] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: I don't disagree, but then the gankers should also have to put some bloody effort in. There it is. the underlying emotion based 'reasoning' behind an unreasonable worldview. "But, but, the other guy should have to work as hard as I think I am too!!!! It's not FAIR!!!" This thinking is at the core all every single anti ganking, scamming and afk-cloking post ever posted. Kind of a screwed up video game egalitarianism.
Lucas Kell Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance 4969	Posted - 2015.01.27 19:03:06 - [51] - Quote Mag's wrote: Lucas Kell wrote: Mag's wrote: Lucas Kell wrote: So why is it not considered an exploit considering you are avoiding the entire consequence of having the criminal timer. Because they are not avoiding them. Of course you are. They may as well have the criminal timer expire once concord blows up their ship and replace it with a suspect timer if they are still allowed to freely operate as if it didn't exist. The criminal timer prevents you warping a ship while it ticks down. Using an alt to warp that ship for you in an orca then hopping into it while in space seems to be against what the criminal timer is for, so why does it even exist? No you're not avoiding them. The criminal timer means you are to be shot on sight, in any ship in high sec. It does not stop you boarding them. If it were meant to do that, it would. Just because you are trying to equate your ideals on top of the criminal timer, doesn't change the fact they are not avoid the consequences of it. It's avoiding the consequence, which is supposed to be a 15 minute criminal timer. Using the orca to reship it's effectively a short criminal timer then what is in essence a suspect timer. And it's only possible because for CCP to keep load down on a server they move concord if it's available in the system rather than spawning a new concord response. It's lazy code and a workaround of the mechanics which means you can solo gank basically anything with the cheapest possible ships, making ganking even further lacking in consequence. Empty freighters are already killboard green. Now solo players can farm these themselves. People like yourself go on about how this game is supposed to be harsh so when the **** is it going to be harsh for you. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. Chrysus Industries - Savings made simple!
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 15980	Posted - 2015.01.27 19:03:32 - [52] - Quote CCP Falcon wrote: Since the introduction of the Bowhead freighter, weGÇÖve become aware of a tactic that has been introduced which has become known as GÇ£HyperdunkingGÇ¥. This involves leaving a grid where a criminal action occurs to draw away CONCORD and reshipping to continue shooting at a target. ThereGÇÖs been much discussion among members of the community regarding this tactic, and whether or not it is considered legitimate gameplay. After meeting with members of the game design and customer support teams and discussing this in depth, we have come to the consensus that due to the fact no rules are being broken and any ship that is involved in a criminal act is being destroyed by CONCORD as intended, that this tactic is simply an unintended but legitimate use of new game mechanics, and is not in breach of the rules. Tactics similar to this have been used with previous hulls before the Bowhead was introduced, and have been considered perfectly legitimate in the past. With this in mind, at this time we do not consider this tactic to be in breach of the game rules, and as such our customer support team will not be offering reimbursements for hulls lost in this manner. Players are also reminded that if someone is criminally flagged, they are fair game to be attacked in self-defense. Feel free to use this to your advantage. Thank you for transparently communicating this decision, and thank you again for keeping the faith. "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!"
Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 9512	Posted - 2015.01.27 19:04:40 - [53] - Quote Crumplecorn wrote: An announcment of CCP not ******* up, and olympic grade mental gymnastics from carebears, all in one thread. I approve. In my day, we used to call this toasting in an epic bread. 1st of all, Toast is deleicious 2ndly, yes, I too approve. And while watching "Olympic grade mental gymnastics" )from people who just need to warp reality to get their thoughts to fit) is entertaining for a while, it's get's old fast
Lucas Kell Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance 4969	Posted - 2015.01.27 19:05:03 - [54] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: Lucas Kell wrote: I don't disagree, but then the gankers should also have to put some bloody effort in. There it is. the underlying emotion based 'reasoning' behind an unreasonable worldview. "But, but, the other guy should have to work as hard as I think I am too!!!! It's not FAIR!!!" This thinking is at the core all every single anti ganking, scamming and afk-cloking post ever posted. Kind of a screwed up video game egalitarianism. Of course they should have to work for it. I'm fed up of listening to CODE players going on and on and on about how easy the carebears have it while ganking is insanely easy, nearly risk free and without consequence. Now it's officially easy to solo gank basically any ship. Excuse me if I thought this is EVE Online where the game is supposed to take a modicum of effort. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. Chrysus Industries - Savings made simple!
Eojek Starlight Moly 56	Posted - 2015.01.27 19:07:38 - [55] - Quote Just a suggestion about Hyperdunkers, who also generate a killright. Sell the kill rights publicly for 0 ISK. A mechanic I would impliment is being auto-booted out of newbiecorp if that same account is constantly being used for piracy. The ganker would have to plop down 30 bucks for a new account as they ruined the reputation of their old account. More money for CCP's coffers. A more severe measure is labeling an IP as pirate. The account or IP must eventually join a pirate corporation be forced start in Nulsec, and thereby, place the player in it's own natural environment of internet-spaceship hell. I'm amazed CONCORD or empires don't impound ships, or even capsules, forcing the perma-pirate to clone-jump back to Nul-Sec. Yes the offender can dock, but they cannot gain benefit from a society who'se ideals the pirate themselves holds in contempt.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 24764	Posted - 2015.01.27 19:07:38 - [56] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: But that's not the only consequence. You are unable to warp for a reason. Why even bother having that restriction if it can just be bypassed? It's not being bypassed. The reason it's there is to ensure you can't warp off and lead CONCORD on a snipe hunt while the timer ticks down. That is not what's happening. The timer and the no-warp effect is doing exactly what they're supposed to be doing. Quote: And you shouldn't be able to. Clearly it is supposed to shut you down. Even the OP call it "unintended". Why shouldn't it? And no, the OP did not call it GÇ£unintendedGÇ¥ that you can swap ships GÇö what's unintended is that they didn't plan for this to happen. Same as can flipping. Same as can mining. Same as web-sling warping. Same as mwd-cloak warps. Same as any of the emergent tactics that have been discovered in the game, and which have been allowed (and even actively maintained) once they've figured that they don't actually break any rules. Quote: That you're supposed to get a 15 minute timer for a gank. Instead you get a 2 minute timer if you gank 2 minutes after your first one. No. You get a 15 minute timer that resets for every new aggression. Just as intended. Quote: I don't disagree, but then the gankers should also have to put some bloody effort in. They are. Chucking as many Catalysts at a target as needed to kill it is vastly more effort than is required of the target. This is the worrying trend in ganking: gankers are forced to put more and more and more effort in, and the feebleminded whiners are never satisfied and refuse to put even the slightest bit* of effort in themselves*. That is frankly pathetic, as is any claim that ganking takes no effort. The gankers are working their asses off to think up new strategies and perfecting them. The hapless victims just cry. Why can't the victims put even an ounce of effort GÇö bloody or not GÇö in towards preventing these trivially avoidable events? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2.
Concord Guy's Cousin State War Academy Caldari State 434	Posted - 2015.01.27 19:09:28 - [57] - Quote Market McSelling Alt wrote: If we want the policy changed, all we have to do is hyperdunk Chribba in his Veldnaught... CCP would reverse position on this faster than Concord could respond. Going by past occurrences of him being killed Chribba would probably say "GF" in local, and that would be the end of it as far as he's concerned. afkalt wrote: Concord Guy's Cousin wrote: Fit a tank I don't believe you know how this works. In the slightest. Or did you find a way to ninja an ACTIVE tank onto a freighter? Try quoting the whole post next time so as to not look like a fool, it was an answer to a question that specifically referred to mining, as such it has precisely nothing to do with freighters. ISD LackOfFaith ~ "Your Catalyst was a hamster, and your Retriever smelt of elderberries" NPC Forum Alt, because reasons.
Alli Ginthur The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc 25	Posted - 2015.01.27 19:10:02 - [58] - Quote Eojek wrote: Just a suggestion about Hyperdunkers, who also generate a killright. Sell the kill rights publicly for 0 ISK. A mechanic I would impliment is being auto-booted out of newbiecorp if that same account is constantly being used for piracy. The ganker would have to plop down 30 bucks for a new account as they ruined the reputation of their old account. More money for CCP's coffers. A more severe measure is labeling an IP as pirate. The account or IP must eventually join a pirate corporation be forced start in Nulsec, and thereby, place the player in it's own natural environment of internet-spaceship hell. I'm amazed CONCORD or empires don't impound ships, or even capsules, forcing the perma-pirate to clone-jump back to Nul-Sec. Yes the offender can dock, but they cannot gain benefit from a society who'se ideals the pirate themselves holds in contempt. More than likely, the dunker will be at -10 or close anyway, so you can shoot him on sight regardless of kill right. And just no to the rest.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 24764	Posted - 2015.01.27 19:11:01 - [59] - Quote Eojek wrote: A mechanic I would impliment is being auto-booted out of newbiecorp if that same account is constantly being used for piracy. The ganker would have to plop down 30 bucks for a new account as they ruined the reputation of their old account. More money for CCP's coffers. A more severe measure is labeling an IP as pirate. The account or IP must eventually join a pirate corporation be forced start in Nulsec, and thereby, place the player in it's own natural environment of internet-spaceship hell. I'm amazed CONCORD or empires don't impound ships, or even capsules, forcing the perma-pirate to clone-jump back to Nul-Sec. Yes the offender can dock, but they cannot gain benefit from a society who'se ideals the pirate themselves holds in contempt. Why on earth should any of that happen? And I'm not even commenting on the nonsensical first part since that is already in the game. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2.
Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 9515	Posted - 2015.01.27 19:11:48 - [60] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: Lucas Kell wrote: I don't disagree, but then the gankers should also have to put some bloody effort in. There it is. the underlying emotion based 'reasoning' behind an unreasonable worldview. "But, but, the other guy should have to work as hard as I think I am too!!!! It's not FAIR!!!" This thinking is at the core all every single anti ganking, scamming and afk-cloking post ever posted. Kind of a screwed up video game egalitarianism. Of course they should have to work for it. I'm fed up of listening to CODE players going on and on and on about how easy the carebears have it while ganking is insanely easy, nearly risk free and without consequence. Now it's officially easy to solo gank basically any ship. Excuse me if I thought this is EVE Online where the game is supposed to take a modicum of effort. Thanks for proving my point Emotional bro. I know you're just thinking of the children though Or did you think that CCP would forever coddle you and the rest of the complainers? Eventually, things have to balance out. instead of whining about it on a forum, why aren't you theory crafting ways to turns this back on the gankers and make them feel bad (that you can then post and otherwise teach to people who would be targets of this tactic)? That's how I deal with gankers (and afk-cloakers et al), out think them before undocking. Oh yea, that's right, too much EFFORT to actually play the game, much easier to metagame the situation by lobbying CCP to fix it for you. Right?

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