True, but the consequence of negative sec status is barely worth mentioning.

If perhaps you were unable to dock in high-sec past -5 or unable to perform market transactions in high sec... now we are talking consequence.

All we hear about from the shooty shooty crowd is risk vs reward and safety vs expectations. But when there is nothing of consequence for a ganker to be -10 other than they are fair game by others... (Everyone is fair game according to you guys so this isn't a consequence) then there is something broken.

True, but the consequence of negative sec status is barely worth mentioning.

If perhaps you were unable to dock in high-sec past -5 or unable to perform market transactions in high sec... now we are talking consequence.

All we hear about from the shooty shooty crowd is risk vs reward and safety vs expectations. But when there is nothing of consequence for a ganker to be -10 other than they are fair game by others... (Everyone is fair game according to you guys so this isn't a consequence) then there is something broken.

No. That is part of the mechanics of Concord. Both in the Lore and in actual gameplay, the purpose is much different.

The purpose of an individual, active CONCORD response team. Is that better?

Not trying to nitpick, but establishing purpose is different than mechanics is important to the debate. I assume that the Concord pilot(s) are simply "following orders" and upholding the laws/rules that govern their behavior.

Additionally, the NPC factions DO care about pilot/pilot interactions, or else their ships wouldn't shoot at criminal players who enter their systems.

What the CONCORD pilots do has nothing to do with either GÇö that is just lore fluff.

The purpose of CONCORD is very simple: to impose an asset tax on unlawful aggression (aggression tax being the defining characteristic of highsec).
The mechanics of CONCORD are reasonable simple, dealing with seclevel-specific spawn times for cruisers and battleships.

If you want to nitpick, faction NPCs don't shoot at criminals who enter their systems (largely because criminals can't enter systems) GÇö that's what CONCORD does. The factions only care about outlaws, who CONCORD couldn't care one whit about. The only overlap is sentry guns, who react to sec status changes for whatever reason.

True, but the consequence of negative sec status is barely worth mentioning.

If this were true the same could be said of AFKing while in space, the consequences of doing so are barely worth mentioning; primarily because there's not enough gankers to force a change in the way that they play, despite the best efforts of the gankers.

No one should AFK in space, nor would I advocate that they do. My problem isn't that people should AFK haul, it is that being a ganker has less consequence than being in Faction Warfare... and tbh a ganker should be hunted by all empires and that should mean something.

No one should AFK in space, nor would I advocate that they do. My problem isn't that people should AFK haul, it is that being a ganker has less consequence than being in Faction Warfare... and tbh a ganker should be hunted by all empires and that should mean something.

No one should AFK in space, nor would I advocate that they do. My problem isn't that people should AFK haul, it is that being a ganker has less consequence than being in Faction Warfare... and tbh a ganker should be hunted by all empires and that should mean something.

Sitting at -10 sec status has a greater implication that FW status.

They do get hunted.

Oh boo hoo. Not really.

Being a ganker should mean you live your life in low security space, and risk something to come to high security to do something bad.

Oh boo hoo. Not really.

You cant even dock at a contested station of the opposing faction.

Being a ganker should mean you live your life in low security space, and risk something to come to high security to do something bad.

Oh boo hoo. Not really. And last I checked you can still use a cloak at -10 sec status. Ever tried cloaking in highsec of the opposing faction?

You cant even dock at a contested station of the opposing faction. Come on man, try a little

Being a ganker should mean you live your life in low security space, and risk something to come to high security to do something bad.

I once flew a megathron through enemy faction space and attacked wartargets I found. I am still a wanted man in gal high sec for that rampage.

Also Gank ships don't fit cloaks. Before spouting nonsense like this you should go to -10 and see how much fun it is doing activities you currently enjoy.

Okay, so what follows is entirely my personal opinion.

It's not a case of not "catering to the tearfilled entitled", it's a case of us staying true to the core of what EVE was built on.

Some of the people complaining in this thread have valid points about the fact that they don't feel safe. Simple fact of the matter is, that you're not suppose to feel safe in New Eden.

Eve is not a game for the faint hearted. It's a game that will chew you up and spit you out in the blink of an eye if you even think about letting your guard down or becoming complacent.

While every other MMO starts off with an intro that tells you you're going to be the savior of the realm, holds your hand, protects you, nurtures your development and ultimately guides you to your destiny as a hero along with several other million players who've had the exact same experience, EVE assaults you from the second you begin to play after you create a character, spitting you out into a universe that under the surface, is so complex that it's enough to make your head explode.

The entire design is based around being harsh, vicious, relentless, hostile and cold. It's about action and reaction, and the story that unfolds as you experience these two things.

True, we're working hard to lower the bar of entry so that more players can enjoy EVE and can get into the game. Our NPE (New Player Experience) is challenging, and we're trying to improve it to better prepare rookies for what lies out there, but when you start to play eve, you'll always start out as the little fish in the big pond.

The only way to grow is to voraciously consume what's around you, and its your choice whether that happens to be New Eden's abundant natural resources, or the other people who're also fighting their way to the top.

EVE is a playing experience like no other, where every action or reaction resonates through a single universe and is felt by players from all corners of the word. There are no shards here, no mirror universes, no instances and very few rules. If you stumble across something valuable, then chances are someone else already knows where you are, or is working their way toward you and you better be prepared to fight for what you've discovered.

EVE will test you from the outset, from the very second you undock and glimpse the stars, and will take pleasure from sorting those who can survive from those who'd rather curl up and perish.

EVE will let you fight until you collapse, then let you struggle to your feet, exhausted from the effort. Then when you can see the light at the end of the tunnel it'll kick you flat on your ass in the mud again and ask you why you deserve to be standing. It'll test you against every other individual playing at some point or another, and it'll ask for answers.

Give it an answer and maybe it'll let you up again, long enough to gather your thoughts. After a few more steps you're on the ground again and it's asking more questions.

EVE is designed to be harsh, it's designed to be challenging, and it's designed to be so deep and complex that it should fascinate and terrify you at the same time.

Corporation, Alliances and coalitions of tens of thousands have risen and fallen on these basic principles, and every one of those thousands of people has their own unique story to tell about how it affected them and what they experienced.

That's the beauty of EVE. Action and reaction. Emergence.

Welcome to the most frightening virtual playground you'll ever experience.

There is a mountain of good advice out there to help pilots avoid these kinds of bad situations. If you want to have a chat about it literally every New Order agent you see will happily tell you what to do to survive us in any given situation. Try it out, play eve like someone is out to blow up your stuff! Anyway...

There was a vote, James 315 won.

The beatings will continue until we reach full compliance.

...Yeah but a license plate number is.

Ok, you can have your 30 minute response time, if every time you suicide gank your character spends 3-5 years in prison afterwards

Or, we can abandon the ridiculous premise that this imaginary Magic Space Police in any way does or should behave like anything in real life.

Since, you know, it's a videogame set in outer space featuring players who are functionally demigods, and all.

Yeah, I wasn't the one trying to make that leap there chap.

No, but you seem to have missed the whole "sarcasm" part of it.

"realism" is not something any reasonable person asks for in a freaking videogame. It was just Veers trying to justify his absurd bleating for something that is totally unacceptable in this game.

Whatever man, how are things?

Globby really should post a "how to" up on YouTube or something.

Its rather easy to understand and somewhat harder to pull off. The bowhead that got highlighted more or less tackled himself when he logged off with aggression.

Its rather easy to understand and somewhat harder to pull off. The bowhead that got highlighted more or less tackled himself when he logged off with aggression.

The Outlaws who use their mains have my respect, for the path they choose limits their choices in gameplay. If ever there was a more (dis)honorable profession

But what if the 'outlaw that uses their main' to gank, also has a well trained high sec alt for doing things without Faction Police interference in highsec? Do they still have your respect? Or have they now lost it because they use alts like everyone else in this game?