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Blavish
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
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Posted - 2015.01.28 16:05:35 -
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According to the CCP minutes drones might have a reload timer similar to guns. The thing about drones is they already have a disadvantage from guns because they first have to return from the target if you want to swap them, then they have to return back to the target you want attacked.
This is of course different with sentries but lights-heavy drones would be very bad if you have to wait for them to return and then wait for a reload before you can swap drones.
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
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Posted - 2015.01.28 16:24:57 -
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Let's see...
- Drones ignore most instructions. - They target whoever they want. - They attack whenever they feel like. - They switch targets at random - They wander off on their own (to mate, maybe?).
Having them reload is the least of the things that need looking at.
Mr Epeen
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Skyla Braveheart
Drekar Inferno Requiem Eternal
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Posted - 2015.01.28 16:30:27 -
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yeah..i was trying to rat last night, and my drones were suddenly just..stopping. not attacking until i ordered them to -again- needless to say..the rats out tanked them because they kept stopping..i didnt have this problem before..only last night..i dont know if something changed or what..but..its bad..ratting with drones is how i make money so far..and now i cant :/ |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
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Posted - 2015.01.28 16:52:24 -
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If they do to the drones what they did to rapid light missile launchers then that one change alone just nuked every drone boat in the fleet.
There needs to be a boon for such a thing, something to justify some "prep time" needed to launch drones.
How about giving drones module and rig slots and let us change out the ammo? I can see a whole new world of drone modules and rigs open up; smaller versions of the small modules and rigs perhaps.
If they just go "hurrrr durrr nerf ze drones put in arbitrary wait time hurrr durrr" I might start thinking CCP got hold of some really rotten (or maybe not rotten enough) Harkarl.
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Hibernator X
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
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Posted - 2015.01.28 18:01:49 -
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I don't understand why they can't see that the issue is with the bonuses on drone ships and how they scale with large drones on cruisers... The problem does not lie with the drones themselves. |
Rapscallion Jones
Omnibus Solutions
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Posted - 2015.01.28 18:22:59 -
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Skyla Braveheart wrote:yeah..i was trying to rat last night, and my drones were suddenly just..stopping. not attacking until i ordered them to -again- needless to say..the rats out tanked them because they kept stopping..i didnt have this problem before..only last night..i dont know if something changed or what..but..its bad..ratting with drones is how i make money so far..and now i cant :/
Interesting as I was having the exact same problem. 5x350mm rails should not out-dps 5 sentries on a drone boat, yet that's what was happening. |
Desimus Maximus
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.01.28 18:28:40 -
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Skyla Braveheart wrote:yeah..i was trying to rat last night, and my drones were suddenly just..stopping. not attacking until i ordered them to -again- needless to say..the rats out tanked them because they kept stopping..i didnt have this problem before..only last night..i dont know if something changed or what..but..its bad..ratting with drones is how i make money so far..and now i cant :/
Sounds like D-rectile dysfunction to me.
And btw ratting with drones is how 95% of capsuleers make their money.
AND.. And.. and..... Nerf the Ishtar drone bay ffs. I'd luv to know where all those large drones are being stored on a CRUISER. |
Ptraci
3 R Corporation The Irukandji.
1894
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Posted - 2015.01.28 18:37:12 -
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12 years and CCP still can't get drones right. |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
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Posted - 2015.01.28 18:52:30 -
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Ptraci wrote:12 years and CCP still can't get drones right.
At least they behave more like 12yr old cats now instead of the herd of rowdy kittens they used to be.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Vote Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10!
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Dracones
Tarsis Inc
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Posted - 2015.01.28 18:59:55 -
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I guess it depends on what exactly they're trying to do with whatever reload mechanic they're thinking about. I will say right now PvE drone aggro is meaningless when it comes to sentries unless you're AFK. You just pull them in and re-deploy when they take fire.
I'd be fine with that getting nerfed and making drones more of a target if logi was easier to use on them. |
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Hicksimus
Volatile Instability Resonance.
532
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Posted - 2015.01.28 19:38:09 -
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Step 1: Make Large/Sentry drones a Battleship weapon Step 2: Stop giving cruisers huge drone bays Step 3: Profit
Reload time is O.K. I suppose, lost a Worm to a Stratios yesterday which was partly from poor cap management and party from his ability to spend 5 minutes switching drones while I whittled away at them. Though I still think a reload timer makes very little sense given the current use of drones which is to have very fast cruisers belting out Battleship DPS while kiting.
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Concord Guy's Cousin
State War Academy Caldari State
480
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Posted - 2015.01.28 22:06:37 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Ptraci wrote:12 years and CCP still can't get drones right. At least they behave more like 12yr old cats now instead of the herd of rowdy kittens they used to be. So they sleep all day, constantly demand to be fed in the hope that you've forgotten that you fed them 10 minutes ago and smack you in the face at 3 in the morning in the hope you'll feed them again or let them out?
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ashley Eoner
399
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Posted - 2015.01.28 22:10:27 -
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Hicksimus wrote:Step 1: Make Large/Sentry drones a Battleship weapon Step 2: Stop giving cruisers huge drone bays Step 3: Profit
Reload time is O.K. I suppose, lost a Worm to a Stratios yesterday which was partly from poor cap management and party from his ability to spend 5 minutes switching drones while I whittled away at them. Though I still think a reload timer makes very little sense given the current use of drones which is to have very fast cruisers belting out Battleship DPS while kiting. You know I can share a dozen or more builds involving cruisers belching out battleship level DPS without even using drones.
I don't get why they are trying to balance drones around one ship thus breaking drones for every other ship instead of just re-balancing that ship. |
Cancel Align NOW
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.01.29 00:21:23 -
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Concord Guy's Cousin wrote:Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Ptraci wrote:12 years and CCP still can't get drones right. At least they behave more like 12yr old cats now instead of the herd of rowdy kittens they used to be. So they sleep all day, constantly demand to be fed in the hope that you've forgotten that you fed them 10 minutes ago and smack you in the face at 3 in the morning in the hope you'll feed them again or let them out?
You need to improve your cat training skills.
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
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Posted - 2015.01.29 00:24:35 -
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Concord Guy's Cousin wrote:Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:At least they behave more like 12yr old cats now instead of the herd of rowdy kittens they used to be. So they sleep all day, constantly demand to be fed in the hope that you've forgotten that you fed them 10 minutes ago and smack you in the face at 3 in the morning in the hope you'll feed them again or let them out?
More like attack your feet, your friends feet, your mothers feet, each other, the wall, the curtains, the couch, the spot where the sun is shining on the rug, the bug on the wall, the pull string for the ceiling fan, the newspaper... pretty much everything else but the one thing theyre told or allowed to attack.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Vote Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10!
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Cancel Align NOW
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.01.29 00:27:53 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Concord Guy's Cousin wrote:Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:At least they behave more like 12yr old cats now instead of the herd of rowdy kittens they used to be. So they sleep all day, constantly demand to be fed in the hope that you've forgotten that you fed them 10 minutes ago and smack you in the face at 3 in the morning in the hope you'll feed them again or let them out? More like attack your feet, your friends feet, your mothers feet, each other, the wall, the curtains, the couch, the spot where the sun is shining on the rug, the bug on the wall, the pull string for the ceiling fan, the newspaper... pretty much everything else but the one thing theyre told or allowed to attack.
And I thought the last guy was bad.
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Concord Guy's Cousin
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.01.29 00:30:13 -
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Cancel Align NOW wrote:Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Concord Guy's Cousin wrote:Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:At least they behave more like 12yr old cats now instead of the herd of rowdy kittens they used to be. So they sleep all day, constantly demand to be fed in the hope that you've forgotten that you fed them 10 minutes ago and smack you in the face at 3 in the morning in the hope you'll feed them again or let them out? More like attack your feet, your friends feet, your mothers feet, each other, the wall, the curtains, the couch, the spot where the sun is shining on the rug, the bug on the wall, the pull string for the ceiling fan, the newspaper... pretty much everything else but the one thing theyre told or allowed to attack. And I thought the last guy was bad. Dogs treat their owners like gods, cats remember when they were gods and had slaves.
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Mackenzie Nolen
XYJAX
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Posted - 2015.01.29 00:43:21 -
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I dunno... I quite enjoy drone users mocking missile users for their zero-skill weapon choice despite drones requiring even less skill. The glitches just are kind of... karma. Don't you think?
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.01.29 03:26:45 -
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Drones are a scourge. They apply damage effectively, but they're no better than bombs, mines, and defender missiles.
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Serene Repose
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Posted - 2015.01.29 04:14:06 -
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Funny. I guess drones do all this stuff if you don't control them. I guess folks let their drones out, set their expectations high, then harvest disappointment and frustration. If you had a pack of hunting dogs and you let them loose expecting them to bring back nothing but the silver mink, you'd be saying the same thing.
I've never had this experience with drones. But, then, I control mine, like I control my dogs. I train my dogs - highly. I command my dogs. I don't allow them to "think" for themselves. I'm the superior species. I do the thinking. Just so, I don't allow my drones to think for themselves. I tell them when and what to attack, one attack at a time. I whistle them in. They come. What's the problem again?
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Lister Vindaloo
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
36
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Posted - 2015.01.29 04:40:30 -
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At EDU last year CCP Rise showed data that implied drones may get nerfed, personally I think drones should be left as they are for dedicated drone boats, add a reload timer or control limitations for hulls that use drones as secondary dps. But for dedicated drone boat pilots who actively target and direct their drones it would be a complete waste of all the skill points it takes to fly them well |
Mocam
EVE University Ivy League
492
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Posted - 2015.01.29 05:41:13 -
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The only ones I can see as potentially overpowered in this way are Sentries - not "drones" but just that class of drones. |
Serene Repose
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Posted - 2015.01.29 08:29:58 -
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Never trust a guy with a steel plate on his head. You never know what's under it.
Treason never prospers. What is the reason?
Why, if it prospers, none dare call it "treason."
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
14720
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Posted - 2015.01.29 08:34:03 -
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ashley Eoner wrote:
I don't get why they are trying to balance drones around one ship thus breaking drones for every other ship instead of just re-balancing that ship.
Its not just one ship.
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Anthar Thebess
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Posted - 2015.01.29 09:59:30 -
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Normal drones are fine. They need to fly to a target, so it takes time to do it, and they can be killed before getting to target. Only change that could put some new life into normal drones are heavy ones , more DPS or 20mb could help them to become more useful.
Sentry drones, Here we have issues mostly to hulls that abuse range bonus of the drones. - Dominix - Ishthar - Rattlesnake ( to some extend , no range bonus makes this ship somewhat balanced) - Carrier (dps or range is not 100% issue , but way you combine multi milion ehp, remote reps , and ability to store few thousand of sentry drones)
Fighters / Fighter bombers. They are almost fine. Real issue is only to fighters assigned from mother ship. You can assign few thousand DPS flying 4000 m/s and following enemies in warp, while your mothership is almost fully safe near pos shield ).
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Ruskarn Andedare
Lion Investments
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Posted - 2015.01.29 11:38:30 -
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Hicksimus wrote:Step 1: Make Large/Sentry drones a Battleship weapon Step 2: Stop giving cruisers huge drone baysbandwidth Step 3: Profit That might work a wee bit better, especially if the bandwidth of heavies was dropped slightly.
Cruisers with large bays are great for solo / exploring, just so long as the bandwidth controls how much can be flown. Yeah, I know you can play games with discarding drones and releasing a new flight but wouldn't bandwidth controls help with that too? |
Hicksimus
Volatile Instability Resonance.
532
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Posted - 2015.01.29 11:55:47 -
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ashley Eoner wrote: You know I can share a dozen or more builds involving cruisers belching out battleship level DPS without even using drones.
But these fits you would share have to be at 3km instead of 70-120km to do it and they have no EHP. I get that my idea isn't popular because nearly everybody is abusing drones for large PvE income and nullsec is using them to be lame in general but I'm still certain that having Battleship DPS at huge range with infinite ammo in a relatively fast ship is a bit much.
Edit: Or let me mount other battleship weapons on cruisers while still being able to properly fit them because that would be amazing.
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Chal0ner
Coreli Corporation The Kadeshi
118
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Posted - 2015.01.29 12:45:31 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Concord Guy's Cousin wrote:Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:At least they behave more like 12yr old cats now instead of the herd of rowdy kittens they used to be. So they sleep all day, constantly demand to be fed in the hope that you've forgotten that you fed them 10 minutes ago and smack you in the face at 3 in the morning in the hope you'll feed them again or let them out? More like attack your feet, your friends feet, your mothers feet, each other, the wall, the curtains, the couch, the spot where the sun is shining on the rug, the bug on the wall, the pull string for the ceiling fan, the newspaper... pretty much everything else but the one thing theyre told or allowed to attack.
Nonono, that's Goons your're talking about. Our kittens are so well behaved they only attack each other on the bad a 4 am. |
Lan Wang
Coreli Corporation The Kadeshi
119
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Posted - 2015.01.29 12:53:48 -
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Skyla Braveheart wrote:yeah..i was trying to rat last night, and my drones were suddenly just..stopping. not attacking until i ordered them to -again- needless to say..the rats out tanked them because they kept stopping..i didnt have this problem before..only last night..i dont know if something changed or what..but..its bad..ratting with drones is how i make money so far..and now i cant :/
so you have to keep asigning targets (whats the issue here?), or are you complaining that you cant afk rat because of this issue?
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Signal11th
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Posted - 2015.01.29 13:06:41 -
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Yeah back to the next thing they nerf, it's just a never-ending cycle of CCP nerfing stuff because it's too popular and then the players finding what's the next best thing to use and then CCP nerfing that because it's too popular and so on and so on.
Drake blobs , nerf missles Supercap blobs = nerf tracking Drone blobs= lets nerf drones.
Why not just give everyone the same ship and the same weapon and be done with it.
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