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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.02.03 21:22:05 -
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I'm completely fine with EOS sentry DPS, and my fleet is ready for such a change. +1 I guess, just for the shakeup.
Domis too. Whatev.
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.02.05 02:03:52 -
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Pravius wrote:ishtars are a tad op... every 0.0 group uses them for obvious reasons......
limit sentry drones to battlecruiser and above...
seems like a good idea.
Ishtar -> Eos. Sufficient drone bandwidth, OK drone bay capacity. Battlecruiser.
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.02.05 05:38:21 -
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My fits are copypasty, and they're not solo. They're meant for large groups, and the point of sentry Eoses is placing the drones in space. The MMJD version has valid uses for structure bashes and PVP engagements against slow, big things, using a different kind of kite.
I'm curious why you say the Eos doesn't get sentries? 250 m3 drone bay, 125 drone bandwidth... isn't that 5 sentries?
those fits again
http://i.imgur.com/OCLrxNt.png
http://i.imgur.com/kAjaUUy.png
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.02.05 15:32:50 -
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elitatwo wrote:Oh no dear, that is not what I meant.
Nobody is stopping anyone from putting sentrie drones in the dronebay of yours. What I meant was that the Eos gives a nice bonus for heavy drone kiting.
With just one drone navigation computer and command ships V, heavy drones will chase interceptors of the field or inst-pop them.
It's just I didn't see anyone use the ship bonus instead of doing the same thing most of the rest of EVE is doing at the moment.
That's because the Ishtar is better at being the Ishtar. I don't mean to say the Eos is a perfect replacement for the Ishtar. It's just the best substitute. The Ishtar's heavy drone bonus already goes unused for reasons like heavy drones' inability to apply damage through forcefields.
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.02.05 15:59:34 -
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Sentries need things like ammo and reload times. They should be treated as individual ships with guns.
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.02.06 01:31:35 -
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It's ineffective to regulate sentries by any means other than a massive damage nerf with equally massive sentry damage bonuses to specific hulls.
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.02.06 02:20:35 -
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Not sure what's so ridiculous about my comment. Sentries are too effective while un-bonused. Their damage in non-sentry hulls needs to be anemic, like 50 DPS. Non-sentry hulls meaning any hull that isn't specifically intended to have good sentries. Ishtars are enjoying sentry use by virtue of being Gallente and having the bandwidth, but I think I showed a good fit example of how the Eos is liable to be just as guilty of Null-wide use.
Ishtars and Eoses have heavy drone bonuses, so I assume they aren't intended to see so much action with sentries. I think damage nerfs to un-bonused sentries is the answer because touching bandwidth affects use of heavies.
The main difference between sentries and heavies is reaching through forcefields, and instant turret damage. It's not crazy to say sentries are the superior drone over heavies.
Sentries are too good in any ship with sufficient bandwidth, the smallest being Ishtars. It's sloppy role assignment. If Then Else failure.
If bonused,
Then 700 DPS
Else 50 DPS
...is what the algorithm should be, instead of
If 125 drone bandwidth
Then 700 DPS
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.02.06 03:20:18 -
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Sorry Anhenka, I sensed some ridicule in your language. My mistake.
It's a good point that there are ships that have moderate success with sentries, but I'm thinking they're going to need to take a hit for the sake of clearly defining ships' identities from one another. Sentries as a weapon type, paired with hulls specifically bonused to use them. Right now, sentries are too good for any ship that can use them. You don't see this universal application in other weapons like pulse lasers and missiles, etc. It's a distinct weapon type, and a lot of ships are able to double up.
Donnachadh, those restrictions aren't enough. You'd still see sentries as structure bashers, from a nimble 12 Gg platform that can squeeze through wormholes C1 and above. Even if they're manually activated per hull, it's 700 DPS that chews into things without cap, ammo, or reload times (with no pressure on cargo or capacitor for the launching hull).
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.02.06 05:40:23 -
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I cited identity as a reason because it's what Fozzie used to justify the Damnation's high EHP among command ships.
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.02.06 12:01:04 -
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Rattlesnakes could have a rebuff to sentries to complement the sentry nerf, to preserve its role as a sentry boat.
As for Fozzie and current game design, it's time he works for Riot, I think.
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.02.06 18:00:52 -
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I'm not sure people understand where my motivations are. I don't have Gila hate, or anything like that. The fact is there is just 1 ship that is sitting in my hangars in null, and that is the Ishtar. in quadruples. The only intent behind my comments here is honesty.
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.02.07 02:41:32 -
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CCP has done the ballsy thing with recons lately, where all ships were brought up to the level of the falcon. Perhaps they'll do something similar with HACs to become as popular as the Ishtar. Or so I can dream.
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.02.07 03:56:09 -
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it's just a game balance strategy. Through testing, if you find one item outperforms all others, the strategy is to nerf the OP thing by a bit, and bring everything else up to meet it.
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.02.07 06:46:16 -
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Quote:Fozzie is as Fozzie does and there is nothing that we can do about that. Beside laying all of this on Fozzie is short sighted and no doubt ignores the reality of the situation. Unless you think that everyone at CCP is so stupid and gullible that they will blindly follow where ever Fozzie leads no matter how bad it is. Personally I am sure that Fozzie and his ideas are reasonably well looked after and I think it is safe to say that if a majority of the folks at CCP thought one of his ideas was bad for the game we would not see it on TQ.
I suspect Fozzie's ideas and their validation is based on broad statistics. To put it simply, they're out of touch. Even if that's not true, changes are slow.
Quote:I was not aware that sub-cap ships were allowed to equip fighters simply because they are in low sec, wondering when this change happened and why it was not in the patch notes. Or was I having a Rip Van Winkle moment and slept through that part of class? No it must be a senior moment and I simply forgot that I read all about it, yeah that must be it.
Subcaps get fighters delegated from carriers. Fighter delegation and carrier support is endemic to lowsec PVP.
Quote:Hey Rain, I've never gone out with sentry Ishtars in Null. Can you tell me how easy they are to use?
You can manually triple box them while running a covops scout and keep up with the fleet just fine.
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.02.07 17:24:05 -
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You can abandon drones and reconnect to get around that.
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.02.08 04:23:01 -
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I've never involved carriers in PVP. On TQ, anyway.
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.02.08 06:10:40 -
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That's pretty much what I was going to say. The next successful thing is only a matter of being used in large groups. Doesn't mean changes aren't worth having, though.
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.02.08 06:22:28 -
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Whatever gets sentries, and is small. A little earlier today, while roaming around Sisi, I was thinking about how sentries have better damage application than large blasters when it comes to shooting towers through forcefields.
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