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Godar Marak Amarr Return Of Red Dawn	Posted - 2006.09.27 16:48:00 - [1] Edited by: Godar Marak on 27/09/2006 16:47:56 Ok, from what I recall a doomsday weapon do about 67k damage(IIRC) Dreads can tank this no problem, without breaking a sweat...yet they cost less than 1/100 of the titan. Thoughts?
Trader Phil	Posted - 2006.09.27 16:50:00 - [2] Originally by: Godar Marak Edited by: Godar Marak on 27/09/2006 16:47:56 Ok, from what I recall a doomsday weapon do about 67k damage(IIRC) Dreads can tank this no problem, without breaking a sweat...yet they cost less than 1/100 of the titan. Thoughts? Good point, they should reduce the cooldown on the doomsday to 30 seconds to compensate... or you could realize that a single doomsday should not be powerful enough to wipe out the strongest tanking ships in the game.
Godar Marak Amarr Return Of Red Dawn	Posted - 2006.09.27 16:53:00 - [3] Originally by: Trader Phil or you could realize that a single doomsday should not be powerful enough to wipe out the strongest tanking ships in the game. In otherwords the doomsday weapon shouldnt be called doomsday because it isnt. And no, Im not talking about insta popping dreadnaughts here. How many dreads would be needed to kill a 150 billion isk ship?
DubanFP Caldari	Posted - 2006.09.27 16:55:00 - [4] Edited by: DubanFP on 27/09/2006 16:56:20 Originally by: Godar Marak Originally by: Trader Phil or you could realize that a single doomsday should not be powerful enough to wipe out the strongest tanking ships in the game. In otherwords the doomsday weapon shouldnt be called doomsday because it isnt. And no, Im not talking about insta popping dreadnaughts here. How many dreads would be needed to kill a 150 billion isk ship? 1, but THEY ARE NOT FIGHTING SHIPS!!! It's like asking would a logistics cruiser ever be able to take out an Assault Frigate. Titan's are massive and very effective logistics platforms, not a ship buster. The Titan may very well pay that 160 billion back, you can't say that about a dread.
Mjala	Posted - 2006.09.27 16:55:00 - [5] one dread and a bumbing shuttle
Directive	Posted - 2006.09.27 16:57:00 - [6] Originally by: Trader Phil Originally by: Godar Marak Edited by: Godar Marak on 27/09/2006 16:47:56 Ok, from what I recall a doomsday weapon do about 67k damage(IIRC) Dreads can tank this no problem, without breaking a sweat...yet they cost less than 1/100 of the titan. Thoughts? Good point, they should reduce the cooldown on the doomsday to 30 seconds to compensate... or you could realize that a single doomsday should not be powerful enough to wipe out the strongest tanking ships in the game. Yet the weapon can completely annihilate a planet. Weird.
Trader Phil	Posted - 2006.09.27 16:58:00 - [7] Originally by: Godar Marak Originally by: Trader Phil or you could realize that a single doomsday should not be powerful enough to wipe out the strongest tanking ships in the game. In otherwords the doomsday weapon shouldnt be called doomsday because it isnt. And no, Im not talking about insta popping dreadnaughts here. How many dreads would be needed to kill a 150 billion isk ship? Would take alot of dreads since they'd be hammering through a death star POS to try and get at the titan
Norvys Kerens Gallente Terror Knights	Posted - 2006.09.27 17:02:00 - [8] Edited by: Norvys Kerens on 27/09/2006 17:03:20 Originally by: Godar Marak Edited by: Godar Marak on 27/09/2006 16:47:56 Ok, from what I recall a doomsday weapon do about 67k damage(IIRC) Dreads can tank this no problem, without breaking a sweat...yet they cost less than 1/100 of the titan. Thoughts? According to the info on this site doomsday weapons only do 37,500 damage. The ASCN Titan does EM damage with it's Judgement weapon. get your EM resists up to 90% and then you only need 3751 armour to survive it. check out the stats of the Sleipnir and the Claymore. a squad of these things would survive Judgement with a few % of armor HP remaining with just their base resists. A BS could survive a Titan Doomsday weapon but they'd have to focus their tank against it and would run the risk of gimping their tank against any other type of damage. I reckon a HAC could be fitted to survive a Doomsday weapon as well, but their tank would be extremely gimped against other damage types and they'd handle a lot more sluggishly if you had to plate them out.
inSpirAcy The Solopwnmobiles	Posted - 2006.09.27 17:05:00 - [9] Titans really only serve two purposes in the current game: boasting rights (which ASCN already took) and as a toy. Until some tests are done to root out the bugs in its logistic role (there will be hundreds), it's just a toy. Its limited damage output is barely a factor since that's not what it was designed for.
DubanFP Caldari	Posted - 2006.09.27 17:06:00 - [10] A dev said it did 57500 with max skills "which is probebly the case". but it wouldnt' be THAT hard to tank. But for an entire army to tank the DD would be to pretty much gimp the army against anything else. and a blast like that to every ship would still be a great tactical advantage. Though it's nto the DD tahts' best. It's the Jump Gate generator, like i said it's a logistics platform and the ability to bring a jump gate with you to send your frieghters anywhere you can make a cyno field. . . It's indispensable.
Godar Marak Amarr Return Of Red Dawn	Posted - 2006.09.27 17:07:00 - [11] Originally by: DubanFP 1, but THEY ARE NOT FIGHTING SHIPS!!! Yet they have a weapon thats supposed to be the most feared weapons of them all!1111elleventhousand!
DubanFP Caldari	Posted - 2006.09.27 17:09:00 - [12] Edited by: DubanFP on 27/09/2006 17:10:31 Originally by: Trader Phil The beauty of the weapon though is that they don't have to be there to do the dmg, they just dial it in with a cyno. The titan does have to be in-system to use it though. which means it would have to jump into a "CYNO FIELD HERE" at the system at which point it could easily be roasted coming in. but still people just don't get that it's not a combat ship.
Trader Phil	Posted - 2006.09.27 17:09:00 - [13] Originally by: Godar Marak Originally by: DubanFP 1, but THEY ARE NOT FIGHTING SHIPS!!! Yet they have a weapon thats supposed to be the most feared weapons of them all!1111elleventhousand! The beauty of the weapon though is that they don't have to be there to do the dmg, they just dial it in with a cyno.
xPreatorianx Caldari Immortalis Silens Atrocitas	Posted - 2006.09.27 17:11:00 - [14] IF you put one in the middle of a fleet they should all die b/c a fleet isnt gonna tank its not worth tanking in a fleet battle.
Norvys Kerens Gallente Terror Knights	Posted - 2006.09.27 17:12:00 - [15] Originally by: Trader Phil Originally by: Godar Marak Originally by: DubanFP 1, but THEY ARE NOT FIGHTING SHIPS!!! Yet they have a weapon thats supposed to be the most feared weapons of them all!1111elleventhousand! The beauty of the weapon though is that they don't have to be there to do the dmg, they just dial it in with a cyno. read the info on doomsday weapons, if you're firing it through a cyno field it can only be fired through a cyno in the same system as the Titan. so it's only a cross-system 1 shot per hour, 150 billion isk, tankable piece of artillery.
Coran Ordus Ominous Corp Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2006.09.27 17:13:00 - [16] Originally by: Godar Marak Originally by: DubanFP 1, but THEY ARE NOT FIGHTING SHIPS!!! Yet they have a weapon thats supposed to be the most feared weapons of them all!1111elleventhousand! So what you're saying is that you mainly object to the name. ...
Trader Phil	Posted - 2006.09.27 17:14:00 - [17] Originally by: DubanFP Edited by: DubanFP on 27/09/2006 17:10:31 Originally by: Trader Phil The beauty of the weapon though is that they don't have to be there to do the dmg, they just dial it in with a cyno. The titan does have to be in-system to use it though. which means it would have to jump into a "CYNO FIELD HERE" at the system at which point it could easily be roasted coming in. but still people just don't get that it's not a combat ship. Hence the POS :), in addition to being a logistics ship (huge gang bonuses, clone vat, jump portal) it's an amazing defensive tool. If someone is assaulting a POS they have their support fleet out of range of guns usually and cap ship activity is common, so they could in one swoop eliminate the support fleets leaving some vulneralble dreads.
xaix ikkul	Posted - 2006.09.27 17:14:00 - [18] from what I've read it's nerfed right now because the devs don't know the long term impact such a ship is going to have so basically they're beta testing the logistics and the weapon :)
Sebai Hana	Posted - 2006.09.27 17:19:00 - [19] Originally by: DubanFP 1, but THEY ARE NOT FIGHTING SHIPS!!! It's like asking would a logistics cruiser ever be able to take out an Assault Frigate. I would take on any AF anyday (cept for Ishkur and Jaguar) in my Oneiros. Quote: So you think you are good? I <3 Minm.
Godar Marak Amarr Return Of Red Dawn	Posted - 2006.09.27 17:27:00 - [20] Edited by: Godar Marak on 27/09/2006 17:28:22 Originally by: Coran Ordus Originally by: Godar Marak Originally by: DubanFP 1, but THEY ARE NOT FIGHTING SHIPS!!! Yet they have a weapon thats supposed to be the most feared weapons of them all!1111elleventhousand! So what you're saying is that you mainly object to the name. ... No, what im saying is that I mainly object to the description I think you are missing the point completely. Its not about titans being the ultimate win button, its isk vs isk.
Trader Phil	Posted - 2006.09.27 17:32:00 - [21] Originally by: Godar Marak Edited by: Godar Marak on 27/09/2006 17:28:22 Originally by: Coran Ordus Originally by: Godar Marak Originally by: DubanFP 1, but THEY ARE NOT FIGHTING SHIPS!!! Yet they have a weapon thats supposed to be the most feared weapons of them all!1111elleventhousand! So what you're saying is that you mainly object to the name. ... No, what im saying is that I mainly object to the description I think you are missing the point completely. Its not about titans being the ultimate win button, its isk vs isk. Isk vs Isk? What about AFs and T1 cruisers then? You can't compare things solely on the costs.
Godar Marak Amarr Return Of Red Dawn	Posted - 2006.09.27 17:45:00 - [22] Originally by: Trader Phil You can't compare things solely on the costs. Ofcorse not, but there should be a certian balance. Quote: Isk vs Isk? What about AFs and T1 cruisers then? 10 mill vs 3-7 mill. 150 billion vs 1.3 billion. You do the maths.
Pottsey Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2006.09.27 18:29:00 - [23] Doomsday weapon are not that bad even a battleship can tank them. 5 battleships should easyly beat a Titan. Well if the Titan is stupid enough not to run or have help. Passive shield tanking guide click here
Drommy Gallente DarkSide Inc	Posted - 2006.09.27 18:55:00 - [24] no doomsday weapons are not the be all. i once worked out that you would need 3 titans to alpha strike and decimate a complete force up to other capital ships. however this is still a very effective weapon. one will take out everything with less tanking capabilities than a CBC. maybe well tanked HAC¦s would survive (im not at home atm so i cant log in and check out the statistics) 2 titans would be enough to finish most BS if they both set off their doomsday at the same moment (as there is no time to boost or repair then) but it would be a close thing. i think the only way to completely be sure would be 3 doomsday weapons simutaneously. but then u still have dreads and carriers to worry about. carriers would be inb low armour from such an attack tho, so if the fleet was not far behind you it shouldnt be to hard to wipe them out. just need a few carriers of ur own with remote reps to keep the titans alive. dream fleet...... but i could think of atleast one alliance of the top of my head with enough numbers to make enough isk for such a fleet if they were focused enough. IF YOU AINT BLUE... YOUR GOO DARKSIDE INC
Galen Silas Gallente Digital assassins	Posted - 2006.09.27 19:00:00 - [25] umm, i can get hit by a tempest for about 1k damage and thats with large artys obviously, how is it according to the math an Artillery can hit a tanking ship almost the same as a DD device, over 50k damage seems like it would be doing a bit more damage than that, i wouldn't say a titan is a big win button but i think it is both a logistics ship and a ship killer, maybe its just me but i dont see very many people surviving the blast of a DD, BTW how far is the range of them??
Galen Silas Gallente Digital assassins	Posted - 2006.09.27 19:01:00 - [26] oh... and another thing, when the titans weapon goes off does it do damage to the titan itself, i have heard this from many people.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.09.27 19:02:00 - [27] Originally by: Godar Marak 10 mill vs 3-7 mill. 150 billion vs 1.3 billion. You do the maths. And? 20 frigates costing 3m ISK can kill a Navy Raven costing 10 billion. --[23] Member-- Originally by: DB Preacher The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
Verus Potestas Caldari Fiat Mort	Posted - 2006.09.27 19:05:00 - [28] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Godar Marak 10 mill vs 3-7 mill. 150 billion vs 1.3 billion. You do the maths. And? 20 frigates costing 3m ISK can kill a Navy Raven costing 10 billion. Actually, I don't buy that. It's a nice comparison, but just how much you can tank a navy raven for 10bil is ridiculous Not to mention that 20frigs costing 3mil makes them 150k fitted, meaning they aren't going to be the best of frigates The comparison still applies though: I'd just up the frig cost to 10mil for 20frigs Signature removed - please email to find out why (include a link to the original image) - Jacques([email protected]) RAWR!111 Sig Hijackz0r!!11 - Immy
Andreask14 Sensus Numinis Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2006.09.27 19:10:00 - [29] I totally, completely and whole-heartedly envy ASCN for building and owning the biggest, most rare and most expensive ship in the whole game. No matter what it can do or can not do, the pure notion of flying such a ship is reward enough for the invested time. I mean its the friggin biggest bugger in the game. I want one. Better yet, all 4. It is good that you are not paranoid, yet, they might still be after you.
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.09.27 19:24:00 - [30] What i hate about whole capital ships is remote use... fighters should not be assignable, and doomsday should kill everyhing in grid where titan is, not some pos hiding mechanics(ccp is weird sometimes). Wanna use it, risk it :), not just build it and put it on pos. --------------------- Looking for frentix? Mail me.

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