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Krulla Minmatar Queens of the Stone Age Chimaera Pact	Posted - 2006.09.27 19:26:00 - [31] So it can't one-shot entire fleets? So what? Even if the entire fleet survives your doomsday strike, you STILL chopped off a big fraction of their HP. So the survivors will be easier to kill... Frankly, if this thing could one shot entire fleets, it would be overpowered, even for a Titan. Due to them having to be in teh same system as the doomsday strike, I mostly see them as a defensive tool.. And, of course, the "OMG THAT'S NO MOON!!1!!1!1!1!11oneone" factor...
Andreask14 Sensus Numinis Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2006.09.27 19:29:00 - [32] I think that fact that Capships can use certain feature via remote-control is most excellent, so you dont have to risk your multi-billion dollar toy against a hoard of 30 cheap battleships which would no doubt be able to tear it apart easily. Remote-control entails needd flexibilty, dreadnaughts are non-remmote only and they have the best tanking to compensate for that, yet they are only built for one special task. It is good that the other capitals can do various tasks thanks to more flexiilty. They are the class of the most expensive and most elite ships in the game, they are meant to be special and rare, not like your everyday BS, that is why they get the neat features. They are end-game content. That is what they are. It is good that you are not paranoid, yet, they might still be after you.
Alberta Gallente Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.09.27 19:31:00 - [33] Originally by: Directive Originally by: Trader Phil Originally by: Godar Marak Edited by: Godar Marak on 27/09/2006 16:47:56 Ok, from what I recall a doomsday weapon do about 67k damage(IIRC) Dreads can tank this no problem, without breaking a sweat...yet they cost less than 1/100 of the titan. Thoughts? Good point, they should reduce the cooldown on the doomsday to 30 seconds to compensate... or you could realize that a single doomsday should not be powerful enough to wipe out the strongest tanking ships in the game. Yet the weapon can completely annihilate a planet. Weird. I can't say I'm aware of a great deal of flora, fauna or planetary infrastructure that has the hardened equivelant of over 50k hp. Consider a planet dead.
Vathar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.09.27 19:40:00 - [34] Uuugh, are we talking about the same game here ... 50k damage is huge and will probably annihilate most fleet setup ships ... all setup and most ships under CS will get roasted (fast ships might have time to warp away, but that's another story) Now the jugdement's damage is EM, which is not the best option for fleet, if we don't consider tempests, a battleship would have to up its tanking near 90%EM + 10k to survive this, which means at least an EM hardener II, a plate and a good DCU! that's 3 lowslots dedicated to tanking, and the EM hardened will be a poor choice for anything but surviving DD ... (Note for other types of damage, surviving becomes much more difficult) Now, cap ships survive DD weapons, big deal! Oh, and I've read that jumping freighters via jump portal, like somebody mentionned above, is not possible, would eat too many fuel! Never checked this though, and probably never won't since I don't plan to fly these things! ___________________________________________ Originally by: Stamm Minmatar are kind of like going down a flight of stairs on an office chair firing
Godar Marak Amarr Return Of Red Dawn	Posted - 2006.09.27 19:46:00 - [35] Anyone have the numbers of doomsday weapons damage inflicted on small targets vs large targets. Once again, I'm not saying a titan should kill dreads without any problems, but perhaps they should be able to make them think twice before engaging?
Rass Tschubai	Posted - 2006.09.27 19:56:00 - [36] Well I did not find any Note how many Doomsday deices can be fittet oon a Titan. The Avatra has 8 High Slots. So can you swap in a hadfull of them???
Vincent Almasy	Posted - 2006.09.27 20:07:00 - [37] you could have all DD-devices but each costs 25k cap a pop and with a start of 74k total cap three is top. Unless you can find a way to add another 25k+ then 3 is all you need.
Phoenix Jones	Posted - 2006.09.27 20:41:00 - [38] I have very limited knowledge when it comes to jump drives.. but could a titan.. 1) Jump into a system 2) Launch the BIG BAMMER 3) Jump out? Does a TITAN have to stay in the system for the entire conflict? Its EW immune so it can't be jump warp jammed. Outside of fuel, it could be used like that I'm assuming. Oh on the damage issue. Lets see What it WILL take out. All Basic Industrial Ships... gone All Interceptors.. Gone All Assault Frigates, Gone All T1 Ships Cept for BS's and Possibly BC's.. Gone All T2 Frigate Based Ships.. Gone One shot of that weapon basically wipes out a Goonfleet Squadron. So outside of the Mega Tank Ships... that weapon can insta-GIB about 1/3 of the ships in Eve. Your problem?!?!? ---------------The Low Sec Issue------------- Gatecamps that kill all who pass with no remorse and in many cases, no possible way of retaliation, is not PVP.
Godar Marak Amarr Return Of Red Dawn	Posted - 2006.09.27 20:47:00 - [39] Originally by: Phoenix Jones Oh on the damage issue. Lets see What it WILL take out. All Basic Industrial Ships... gone All Interceptors.. Gone All Assault Frigates, Gone All T1 Ships Cept for BS's and Possibly BC's.. Gone All T2 Frigate Based Ships.. Gone One shot of that weapon basically wipes out a Goonfleet Squadron. So outside of the Mega Tank Ships... that weapon can insta-GIB about 1/3 of the ships in Eve. Your problem?!?!? The issue is that now that Titans have finally entered the game it will change the battlefield. If you know you might face a titan you might have your battleship tackle, ot simply keep your smaller ships tucked away in some safespot far away from the reach of the doomsady weapon. Also, as soon as you saw a titan warp in it wouldnt be a problem for the smaller ships to simply warp off.
Phoenix Jones	Posted - 2006.09.27 20:55:00 - [40] The only possibility a titan would enter the battlefield is for gigantic fleet ops. Could a titan really do a number in such an op.. yes. It also becomes Target #1 of every ship in the fleet. We are theorizing quite a bit though. We will not Truely know until we have seen it in action (or when someone decides to test drive the thing away from their pos). ---------------The Low Sec Issue------------- Gatecamps that kill all who pass with no remorse and in many cases, no possible way of retaliation, is not PVP.
Godar Marak Amarr Return Of Red Dawn	Posted - 2006.09.27 21:02:00 - [41] Originally by: Phoenix Jones It also becomes Target #1 of every ship in the fleet. Will it really? Considering the amount of punishment it could take. Quote: We are theorizing quite a bit though. We will not Truely know until we have seen it in action (or when someone decides to test drive the thing away from their pos). I concur.
Byzan Zwyth	Posted - 2006.09.27 21:11:00 - [42] so it's not an instawin button, it's still good enough to turn the tide of battle. And in fleet battles it seems to be a lot of ships gear towards Damage and gimp their tank. But in a battle against a titan they will have to fit to survive the the DD blast, and doing so will lower their DPS SO IMO it has a big impact on a battle. ---------------------- I fly Amarr and Gallente ships Amarr because they peow peow and look cool... Gallente because they are effective
Great Spylord Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2006.09.27 21:27:00 - [43] Originally by: Pottsey Doomsday weapon are not that bad even a battleship can tank them. 5 battleships should easyly beat a Titan. Well if the Titan is stupid enough not to run or have help. The Great Spylord asks if any Titan pilot is stuipd enough to fly a Titan WITHOUT the ultimate in each mod and a full set of pirate implants? I suspect at least a dozen battleships with t2 ammo is a thread. Or a 1v1 Titan vs Mothership or Carrier.
Twilight Moon Minmatar Malicious Intentions	Posted - 2006.09.27 22:06:00 - [44] I dont see it getting used much. Everyone knows who the pilot is. It'll go like this: Enemy fleet is in a system attacking a insert something worthwhile here Enemy fleet notices CYVOK amongst the locals. Enemy fleet fires off an Observator Probe. Enemy Fleet sees a Titan, warps out of system. Titan pilot goes "meh, no kills again". ---------------- ...on the other hand using a banana might be a viable alternative. Anyone Recruiting? 8m SP PvP Character looking for a new home, for a life as a pirate. Contact Via EVE-Mail.
Heikki Gallente Wreckless Abandon	Posted - 2006.09.27 22:41:00 - [45] Originally by: Twilight Moon Enemy Fleet sees a Titan, warps out of system So, even you are agreeing it is ultimate defense weapon :) Especially if that 'everyone jumps out' happens to be at the same moment some POSes are coming out of reinforcement mode. Anyway, it is hell of a defensive tool. Whether it is worth of the ISK might be debatable. But in my experience fleets are usually short of capable people rathern than having folks who can't afford to bring a BS. Then again, it is only some 15-20 times more expensive than most expensive BS setups used out there. -Lasse drooling & ready to sign on 'doomsday me' club

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