don't think making an excel clone is something CCP should prioritize.

Whats wrong with multi monitors or alt-tab?

Google docs works in the IGB last time I tried it.

nah it crashes it now

-1 a thousand times over.

Grab onto your favorite search engine and look around, everything you have asked for is available in many places around the net so forth and use these very well done tools.

We have many problems in game that NEED dev time and I do not want them wasting that dev time on fluff like this when you can simply go forth and find the tools that work for you. Once they have all of the ships. modules and everything else in the game balanced and working well then they can attend to things like this,

Since the in game browser is going away due to security and other issues I suspect that you will never see anything like this in game.

You obviously never used a spreadsheet in your life. It's one of the simplest pieces of software one can build. It exists practically since the born of computers. It is just a bunch of slots for data with a small formula filter on each one. The rest of it is just fancy graphical functionality I personally don't care about. There's no possible way for it to present a security issue to the game.

I shouldn't need to use third party tools for such a trivial job. EvE industrial players NEEDS this. Whoever says he doesn't need a spreadsheet to play industry is probably doing it wrong.

No. Use any one of the many currently existing spread sheets and a wonderful key combination they call alt-tab.

Alt-tab doesn't allow you to dynamically import market values.

Sure they can. Lots of people have figured out how to use APIs to do that, it's how eve-central and other sites work.

You discussed this topic in another thread you created.

Reported for redundacy

Oh, look what I found using a simple forum search.

There, you now have spreadsheets in game.

/thread

As many have said already CCP does not need to spend time developing in-game spreadsheets. There a lots of ways to make the OOG. Excel and Google docs are work just fine. I'd rather CCP invest their time in any of a million more important things.

This is not a reasonable argument. Not only because spreadsheets are easy to develop but also because you can evoke it upon any suggestion. "No, I don't like this idea, devs should work in another thing".

You obviously never used a spreadsheet in your life. It's one of the simplest pieces of software one can build. It exists practically since the born of computers. It is just a bunch of slots for data with a small formula filter on each one. The rest of it is just fancy graphical functionality I personally don't care about. There's no possible way for it to present a security issue to the game.

I shouldn't need to use third party tools for such a trivial job. EvE industrial players NEEDS this. Whoever says he doesn't need a spreadsheet to play industry is probably doing it wrong.

That's ridiculous. You're reporting because you're a douchebag. I already got a thread locked for no reason because people don't like the way I discuss. Please link where I was discussing spreadsheets in-game. I only suggested it, realized it was a good idea for a new discussion and opened this thread. What a dork.

So why don't ya write one instead of complaining?

And zee answer is: you can't.

You contradict yourself. You can make ExcelGäó to poll the crest api with some simple requests, it's already there and since EVE is running on M$ SQL Server you will find a billion topics and things to do just that.

I hate maket monkeys anyway. They should all biomass themselves and CCP should feel bad to giving them control over thing they shouldn't have control over.

Yes I am aware of how easy it would be to put a spread sheet into the program, however there are at least 2 major problems with doing so.
First - CCP has limited developer resources and moving any of them to an in game spread sheet takes them away from other tasks they NEED to be working on.

Second - One of the stated reasons for the in game browser going away is security concerns. In order to have the functionality that you want this in game spread sheet would essentially need to have an in game browser to allow it access to the internet thus opening back up many of the same security holes CCP is tryng to plug by doing away with the in game browers.

I wanted to deal with this separately from the other responses.
Calling people names on the forums is against the rules. No I will not report this it is not my style, those you are calling names can report you if they desire.

Beside it being against the rules calling people names does not help you in you quest to convince the rest of us that we need an game spread sheet.

To close this one a kindly word of advice. If you cannot write a post that is civil, or you cannot write it without calling people names then I respectfully suggest that you wait several hours or maybe even longer before posting. I am prone to this same problem that is why I write all of my posts offline in a word processor and then think about them for an hour or two before I copy and paste it into a post here.

Your other thread.....mineral diversity or something like that...

You stated you didnt want to use spreadsheets...then went on about them and how math and logic wer not the same.......

Anyway....I know this is not C&P but since your taking it personal i will also then.

Sending a mail to a friend......you should read my current BIO and hope he doesnt find you undocked.

Now please just quit ship toasting all over the F&I because simply you can not take the hint around here.....so its back to in game for you to learn a lesson.

You obviously never used a spreadsheet in your life. It's one of the simplest pieces of software one can build. It exists practically since the born of computers. It is just a bunch of slots for data with a small formula filter on each one. The rest of it is just fancy graphical functionality I personally don't care about. There's no possible way for it to present a security issue to the game.

I shouldn't need to use third party tools for such a trivial job. EvE industrial players NEEDS this. Whoever says he doesn't need a spreadsheet to play industry is probably doing it wrong.

Using is different from programming chief. Good programmers make the effort to have that application running complex things in background transparent. This is not easy stuff at times.


Office application players like M$ office, openoffice, etc...live for their application to improve and make their applications more efficient as designs and algorithms change. MS puts a lot of time and effort to make sure they have users not hating life as much when the boss has the data cruncher run analysis in excel that even a SAS/R/much more suited data analysis application user is going man I wouldn't touch that data project as is.

Lots going on under the hood in spreadsheet. Did you know there are several ways to handle means calculations for example. The theory of sum of instance values divided by number of instances....lots of ways to implement this. And none are THE way, programming rarely has one that the THE way lol. I just focused on mean (average)...study informatics to some degree and you will find lots of algorithms and implementations to choose from for many common functions of a spreadsheet.

And your understanding of application security is lacking as well. Every application feature is a potential flaw or source for errors to adversely affect a system. This is why devs take lots of time to bullet proof applications. Case of M$, you see a fair amount of security patching for office as creative types find ways to inject stuff via office applications. MS and other sneaks this in your home patching as most don't read the notes to see this. I am an IT admin and tend to care about the gory details of a patch. As I don't approve patches on a whim that once it hits 1000+ clients....can make for a bad day if crap hits the fan lol.


WHy CCP is better off leaving this to those who can focus on this more really. Ole boy pulls down a spreadsheet with some packaged badness and they click on oaky to use it....if something had happens its between the user, thier AV and say M$ to play the blame game. CCP has a game to improve. M$ has a whole section on their campus to improve office alone. And a security division as a back up if a truly unique hack found in spreadsheet.