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Mr Xofar
The Devil's Mafia
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Posted - 2007.02.15 06:14:00 -
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7 DAY SPECIAL I am offering 50% off each version of the Miner Timer for the next 7 days. (exp Feb, 23rd) Discounted prices are as follows...
Group I : 1.25 mil isk
Group II : 2.5 mil isk
Group III: 7.5 mil isk -------------------------------------------- ----- Mr Xofar's EVE Website Miner Timer Thread |

Shuyo Ryu
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Posted - 2007.02.17 02:56:00 -
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Edited by: Shuyo Ryu on 17/02/2007 02:52:29 Xofar,
Have you seen any issues with the Miner Timer going too slowly? When I first start my timer I am right on, but after 2 or 3 cycles it is off by as much as 6-9 seconds on when my actual strip cycle ends. And the gap widens after each cycle. Any ideas?
*edit* wrong toon posted. You may know me better as Frabba :-)
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Mr Xofar
The Devil's Mafia
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Posted - 2007.02.17 13:22:00 -
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Originally by: Shuyo Ryu Edited by: Shuyo Ryu on 17/02/2007 02:52:29 Xofar,
Have you seen any issues with the Miner Timer going too slowly? When I first start my timer I am right on, but after 2 or 3 cycles it is off by as much as 6-9 seconds on when my actual strip cycle ends. And the gap widens after each cycle. Any ideas?
*edit* wrong toon posted. You may know me better as Frabba :-)
Are you mining several different types of ore? I have noticed this when I try to keep track more than 3 or 4 ore types. The problem is in the virtual refining. In an effort to limit the decay of the timer, I made it so the virtual refining only takes place every 10 seconds once the first timer is started. Maybe I'll just make it refine after the cycle or when the roid is depleted. That should cure this.
There was one other player who brought this up to me, but his timer was just off for some reason. His timer appear to run 10-20 seconds too slow; even when mining one ore, on the first cycle. Not really sure what is going on with his. 
As for yours however, if you're not mining more than 3-4 ore types, let me know, if not, then I may just pull this version for a rework; and upload v(1.0.13).
If there is anyone else having this problem please, let me know.
And no, before the flamers light their torches and put on their hoods, the recent discount has nothing to do with this.
----- Mr Xofar's EVE Website Miner Timer Thread |

Frabba
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Posted - 2007.02.17 18:49:00 -
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Well, it's actually happening on multiple versions, but the good news is it's only happening on one PC. I ran on may laptop and it worked fine.
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Mr Xofar
The Devil's Mafia
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Posted - 2007.02.17 19:05:00 -
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Originally by: Frabba Well, it's actually happening on multiple versions, but the good news is it's only happening on one PC. I ran on may laptop and it worked fine.
Well that's good to know. What are the specs on the pc it was not working on? OS, RAM, CPU etc...
I'll get with the other player and see if I can find out what the common factor is.
----- Mr Xofar's EVE Website Miner Timer Thread |

Frabba
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Posted - 2007.02.17 19:15:00 -
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Edited by: Frabba on 17/02/2007 19:12:08 OS: XP pro Processor: Intel Core 2 6400 @ 2.13 Ghz (Dual Core) Ram: 2GB DDR2 Video Card: nVidia GeForce 7300 GT
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Lady Kinla
Dark Empire Fleet
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Posted - 2007.02.17 23:05:00 -
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The Miner Timer III includes groups 1 and 2 as well right? Just want to know before I buy! :) Looks like a very nice program. ---------------------------
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Mr Xofar
The Devil's Mafia
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Posted - 2007.02.17 23:06:00 -
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Originally by: Frabba Edited by: Frabba on 17/02/2007 19:12:08 OS: XP pro Processor: Intel Core 2 6400 @ 2.13 Ghz (Dual Core) Ram: 2GB DDR2 Video Card: nVidia GeForce 7300 GT
After finally getting the time to do a quick search about this, I'm finding a pattern developing around the dual core processor. The other guy had and AMD 64 3200 - Dual Core.
I'm checking with some more sources to see if I can't narrow this down to the problem of new technology.
Who'da thunk? "I'm sorry sir, but your CPU is just too fast and efficient for our application, please downgrade your computer so we can better support your needs."
It's not really that strange of an ocurrence actually. If you try playing some of the older games on a computer faster that what it was desinged on, you'll experience some timing problems. Certain coding practes can avoid this though, and to be honest, I don't know why the timer would run slower on a faster system. But I will find out. ----- Mr Xofar's EVE Website Miner Timer Thread |

Lady Kinla
Dark Empire Fleet
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Posted - 2007.02.17 23:08:00 -
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Please answer me! :(( ---------------------------
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Mr Xofar
The Devil's Mafia
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Posted - 2007.02.17 23:09:00 -
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Edited by: Mr Xofar on 17/02/2007 23:07:11
Originally by: Lady Kinla The Miner Timer III includes groups 1 and 2 as well right? Just want to know before I buy! :) Looks like a very nice program.
That's correct. However, I do encourage all miners to "try it out before you buy it". That way I can address any unforseen issues before hand.
Originally by: Lady Kinla Please answer me! :((
My goodness,gave me all of three minutes.  ----- Mr Xofar's EVE Website Miner Timer Thread |

Lady Kinla
Dark Empire Fleet
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Posted - 2007.02.17 23:12:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Xofar Edited by: Mr Xofar on 17/02/2007 23:07:11
Originally by: Lady Kinla The Miner Timer III includes groups 1 and 2 as well right? Just want to know before I buy! :) Looks like a very nice program.
That's correct. However, I do encourage all miners to "try it out before you buy it". That way I can address any unforseen issues before hand.
Originally by: Lady Kinla Please answer me! :((
My goodness,gave me all of three minutes. 
 That's me!
Also I tried it out about 2 months ago and I wanted to try it out again now but it woudln't let me. So if I could get another temporary trial key that would be awesome. ---------------------------
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Mr Xofar
The Devil's Mafia
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Posted - 2007.02.17 23:17:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Kinla Also I tried it out about 2 months ago and I wanted to try it out again now but it woudln't let me. So if I could get another temporary trial key that would be awesome.
If I'm not mistaken I set the keys to unexpire on new version, so installing it should reset the trial. I'm not at home right now, so I can't confirm this atm. ----- Mr Xofar's EVE Website Miner Timer Thread |

Lady Kinla
Dark Empire Fleet
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Posted - 2007.02.17 23:18:00 -
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I only tried out group I last time. ---------------------------
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gurista wreck
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Posted - 2007.02.17 23:19:00 -
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Am I correct in thinking you charge more for a version that is used for the 'high' end roids, then the version for the 'low' end roids? Thats just silly.
I also would have payed several times the price in donations if I found the program useful, which Im sure it is. But frankly, Im with those that think that your a bit of a money grubber. There's so many good utilities out there that eclipse yours and then some, that are completely free. And yet, because of their goodwill, have reaped rewards in the form of donations and alot of respect.
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Gallente Citizen 1356
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.02.17 23:19:00 -
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Am I correct in thinking you charge more for a version that is used for the 'high' end roids, then the version for the 'low' end roids? Thats just silly.
I also would have payed several times the price in donations if I found the program useful, which Im sure it is. But frankly, Im with those that think that your a bit of a money grubber. There's so many good utilities out there that eclipse yours and then some, that are completely free. And yet, because of their goodwill, have reaped rewards in the form of donations and alot of respect.
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Mr Xofar
The Devil's Mafia
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Posted - 2007.02.17 23:20:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Kinla I only tried out group I last time.
That's okay, just install II or III if I isn't letting you try it, and you'll get a new trial period. They are encrypted with separate certificates. ----- Mr Xofar's EVE Website Miner Timer Thread |

Lady Kinla
Dark Empire Fleet
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Posted - 2007.02.17 23:25:00 -
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Originally by: gurista wreck Am I correct in thinking you charge more for a version that is used for the 'high' end roids, then the version for the 'low' end roids? Thats just silly.
Because the versions for the high end roids *include* the low end roids as well! ;) ---------------------------
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Mr Xofar
The Devil's Mafia
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Posted - 2007.02.17 23:34:00 -
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Edited by: Mr Xofar on 17/02/2007 23:32:30
Originally by: gurista wreck Am I correct in thinking you charge more for a version that is used for the 'high' end roids, then the version for the 'low' end roids? Thats just silly.
I also would have payed several times the price in donations if I found the program useful, which Im sure it is. But frankly, Im with those that think that your a bit of a money grubber. There's so many good utilities out there that eclipse yours and then some, that are completely free. And yet, because of their goodwill, have reaped rewards in the form of donations and alot of respect.
Higher end ore yields higher end iskies. (And because of what the fair Lady Kinla said ) Although, I don't recommend attempting to use the timer while solo mining in lowsec. It'll just make it that much easier for a pirate to pop you. Have backup.
Eclipse mine? In what manner? Because they have more lines of code or funtions? Or because they actually pay you back, in cash; even moreso than mine?
And yes, yes, I know, I've heard it all before.
"For Christ's sake, Xofar, it's just a timer."
Or like you, "Why don't you make the program that you spent weeks perfecting, out of game, not making any isk, so that others in game can profit from its usefuleness in this mega capitalistic environment?"
Simply put, once again, I'm not a philanthropist. If you like it, buy it, if you don't, then don't. If you like it, but don't buy it out of spite, then that's okay too. It's your isk until you give it to me, and it's my program until you pay for it. And hey, once you pay for it, you can sell the key as many times as you want. But I'm sure you didn't take the time to figure that out. ----- Mr Xofar's EVE Website Miner Timer Thread |

gurista wreck
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Posted - 2007.02.18 02:11:00 -
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Quote: Eclipse mine? In what manner? Because they have more lines of code or funtions? Or because they actually pay you back, in cash; even moreso than mine?
ever heard of evemon? now THERES a program so damn fine that people really would pay for it if it wasn't already given away for free.
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Gallente Citizen 1356
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.02.18 02:11:00 -
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Quote: Eclipse mine? In what manner? Because they have more lines of code or funtions? Or because they actually pay you back, in cash; even moreso than mine?
ever heard of evemon? now THERES a program so damn fine that people really would pay for it if it wasn't already given away for free.
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Mr Xofar
The Devil's Mafia
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Posted - 2007.02.18 03:39:00 -
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Originally by: gurista wreck
Quote: Eclipse mine? In what manner? Because they have more lines of code or funtions? Or because they actually pay you back, in cash; even moreso than mine?
ever heard of evemon? now THERES a program so damn fine that people really would pay for it if it wasn't already given away for free.
You're quite right, a damn fine program it is. Although I don't use it, I've downloaded it, toyed around with and it's an incredible program. And yes, they could charge for it, and people would still download and pay for it. They should be very proud of what they have accomplished.
Does Evemon pay you back? Well, since you didn't pay for it, I'd say yes, it's an all around win for anyone who uses it. It's funny though, how Evemon is always the first one (usually the only one) to get thrown in my face as being the poster boy for incredibly useful programs that remain free. There are plenty of others. Like MiningBuddy, awesome program. The author was initially charging for it, but she was quick to remove the charges after recieveing a quick forum lashing by the likes of you.
I still don't get it. This is a game of CAPITALISM. I will not bow to your philanthropic views. I am under no obligation to you or anyone else to just give away my program. I will not feel bad when people pay the isk I have rightfully, and reasonably charged for my VERY useful program. I will continue to charge my very reasonable prices, and people will continue to pay for my program. Why? Because it's worth it. And enjoy the hell out of people like you trying to sway my stance on this.
How the hell people expect others to be so generous in such a brutal game of economics and warfare is beyond me.
----- Mr Xofar's EVE Website Miner Timer Thread |

Meretricis
Biohazard LLC
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Posted - 2007.02.22 07:01:00 -
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Edited by: Meretricis on 22/02/2007 07:02:12
Originally by: Mr Xofar
I still don't get it. This is a game of CAPITALISM. I will not bow to your philanthropic views. I am under no obligation to you or anyone else to just give away my program. I will not feel bad when people pay the isk I have rightfully, and reasonably charged for my VERY useful program.
Quite possibly the most intelligent bit of logic I have seen posted to these forums in a long, long time. What else is EVE other than to accumulate vast quantities of ISK? Sure there's PVP, and 0.0 sovereignty to be had, but at what end? The all-mighty ISK. Why do we mine? ISK; cheap, dirty, quick and easy. The quicker and easier, the better.
I put together a .xls charting various low-ends and their market prices, and my maximum theoretical yield mining Scordite is in the neighborhood of 4.8 million ISK/hr. Every second my mining lasers are grinding away on an empty husk of an asteroid, some of that 4.8 million is trickling down my leg. Xofar's Miner Timer lets me get ever closer to that max yield.
I've got pretty sweet refining skills, currently ~99.4% yield in Empire, so as well as mining, I'm also buying Plagioclase and Scordite in the region at prices that give me a 20% profit margin to refine and resell. But here's why mining your own ore is the true carebear money-maker: it's a 100% profit/time ratio as long as your lasers are on AND bringing ore into your hold. Once the flow of ore stops, you're losing money. It may not matter to you, but it matters to me. That's why I bought the timer. It cost me all of *gasp* 35 minutes of mining time; essentially free to me. Plus, I'm supporting an independent software author. (Mmmmm warm fuzzies)
Flame the man all you want, it's no skin off my back. This tool he's providing at very reasonable rates (with resell rights, mind you) is wonderful. Don't want to use it? Fine: calculate it yourself...I did for a while. I know how to run the IG Calculator, I did it for weeks calculating ore/cycle ratios. This timer gives me 100% of the functionality that my brain provided, at 1% of the mental effort. At the end of a busy workday when I am finally able to play some video games, its very much appreciated.
This tool helps me mine the cash I need to PVP in less time than before. It's already paid for itself as well. Find a free utility that does it better? Congrats, I'm still sticking with this one.
Meretricis out.
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Mr Xofar
The Devil's Mafia
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Posted - 2007.02.22 22:29:00 -
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Originally by: Meretricis Every second my mining lasers are grinding away on an empty husk of an asteroid, some of that 4.8 million is trickling down my leg...But here's why mining your own ore is the true carebear money-maker: it's a 100% profit/time ratio as long as your lasers are on AND bringing ore into your hold. Once the flow of ore stops, you're losing money.
I couldn't have said it better myself. Thanks Meretricis, and it's the whole point of why I built it to begin with. But the nay sayers will still be abound. However, yay sayers will say Yay!
(Look out for 1.0.15 update coming soon: Bug fix concerning "Dark Ochre" and some tweaking under the hood.) Miner Timer |

Mr Xofar
The Devil's Mafia
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Posted - 2007.02.23 15:27:00 -
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Release Notes for v(1.0.15) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 02/23/2007 Verison: 1.0.15 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Bugs: 1 (TEMPORARY FIX CONCERNING "DARK OCHRE") Thanks to Fullboat for bringing this one to my attention.
- In CCP's infinite wisdom, they've named all the basic ore types with a single name and then built upon that name to produce the various grades. That is, with the exception of Ochre, err "Dark" Ochre. Dark Ochre is the basic ore type, and Obsidian and Onyx Ochre are the two higher grades of that Ore. Go figure. In MY infinite wisdom, I never put these facts together, and the result is a bug in the selection list which starts producing screwy ore volumes when you select any of the "Ochre" ores.
I'm going to call this a temporary fix, since it's going to actually take a different approach code wise on how I deal with the basic ore types to retrieve the ore volume, and I'm not up for that just yet due to RL events.
For the time being, I am changing "Dark Ochre" in the drop down list to "Ochre". This will likely cause a bit of cunfusion at first, and just when you get used to it, I'll change it back to what is is suppoed to be, "Dark Ochre". =P Miner Timer |

Deimos Ares
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Posted - 2007.02.25 14:53:00 -
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Hey Xofar! Purchased and tested. Works exactly as advertised. Here are a couple requests for a future version.
First, an area for me to input ore/mineral prices and let the timer track avg. isk/hour over the session. I haul my own ore back to the station now (n00b, I know) and it would be educational to me to see what that costs me.
Second, a calculator that would take my mineral goals and calculate the most efficient way to mine to get those amounts of minerals, i.e. XX,XXX units of veldspar, XX,XXX units of pyroxeres, etc. It would be cool to have a timer linked to that goal as well, so I would know when to switch ore types.
Other than that, a very useful tool, and I'm sure I'll appreciate it more in 5 days when I trade my Osprey for a Covetor.
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Hranth Krotin
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Posted - 2007.02.25 21:51:00 -
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Edited by: Hranth Krotin on 25/02/2007 21:49:04 Edited by: Hranth Krotin on 25/02/2007 21:48:40 Just curious, are you planning on making a single version that can be used with all the ores, rather than three seperate ones? I am currently mining low-end ore, but I am getting ready to move down into regions with ores that are a bit more lucrative. Any chance of just shelling out a set fee for a version of the program with all the ores? Perhaps even at a little discount?

Nevermind, read some previous posts and found an answer to my question.
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Mr Xofar
The Devil's Mafia
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Posted - 2007.02.25 22:41:00 -
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Originally by: Hranth Krotin
Nevermind, read some previous posts and found an answer to my question.
Okay, just to confirm though, the lower groups are inclusive of the higher groups
Group I : Low end ores.
Group II : Group I and Mid range ores.
Group III: Group I, Group II and High end ores. Miner Timer |

Mr Xofar
The Devil's Mafia
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Posted - 2007.03.09 05:31:00 -
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Business has been pretty good with the timer, slow but steady. On average I get 1-3 requests for keys per week. Not a bad little supplement to my income. Especially when I'm not mining that week.
I just wanted to thank all those who have purchased a key, and especially those kind enough to come here and post there thoughts and experiences using the timer.
I plan to have another update in the coming weeks, so keep your eye on this thread.
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Frabba
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Posted - 2007.03.12 16:42:00 -
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Not sure if anyone's asked for this before, but I have a feature request.
Allow me to set a price for minerals within the timer. Using this I can display, or even get a running counter of how much Isk value I have mined without having to do any math on my end. The fucntionality is already there for the most part, since you're already showing us how much in mineral quantity we've mined. Just need to add a display for mineral amount*user defined price = $$$ display or somesuch.
And also Xofar, related to my earlier bug report. I've noticed EVEmon has a similar issue with time on my computer, so it's quite possible there some sort of timing issue within my pc.
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Mr Xofar
The Devil's Mafia
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Posted - 2007.03.13 09:01:00 -
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Originally by: Frabba Not sure if anyone's asked for this before, but I have a feature request.
Allow me to set a price for minerals within the timer. Using this I can display, or even get a running counter of how much Isk value I have mined without having to do any math on my end. The fucntionality is already there for the most part, since you're already showing us how much in mineral quantity we've mined. Just need to add a display for mineral amount*user defined price = $$$ display or somesuch.
And also Xofar, related to my earlier bug report. I've noticed EVEmon has a similar issue with time on my computer, so it's quite possible there some sort of timing issue within my pc.
Yep, that will be on the next release. No idea yet as to when I'll get it done however. It will have a calculator and isk/min, isk/hour readout as well. I have a rather unique idea for the calculator; it'll be more than just your standard "How many minerals can I get from this much ore" type.
For the timer. The app uses an array of vbTimer controls; which unfortunately isn't always consistent on ALL computers (it seems dual core cpu's experience this issue the most; but it's not limited to them). A better method for me to have used would have been to use the tick count of the computer itself. I may change that in the future (not a simple task), but for now the current conrtol will have to suffice.
The only thing I can suggest atm is try it on a different computer if you have access to one. Miner Timer
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