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Mr Xofar Minmatar	Posted - 2006.09.28 16:09:00 - [1] So, you wanna be an active miner aye? I'm a very active miner, tbh. I pay attention to every second that ticks away while my lasers busily pound on the rocks I mine. In the beginning of my mining career, I just let my laser cycle out and cried over the miniscule amount of ore dumped into my cargo hold on the final cycle. I realised that I was wasing lots of valuable laser time on crumbs. So, I began to make the calculations necessary to determine the exact amount of time it would take to deplete an asteroid. It was trial and error at first, but eventually I got it to where I could time my lasers to the very moment the last bit of ore was extracted and shut it down to begin work on the next, already targeted, roid. This "attention to detail" made my lasers more efficient that ever. I could(can) out mine a macrominer with the same setup and skills in the same amount of time. What did this do for me as a miner? It kept me busy for sure. Calculating units per second is precise stuff, and then I have to calculate the number of seconds the last cycle needs to finish off the roid. Also, keeping up with rats and an eye out for thieves adds to the business of "precision mining". So, you say? Maybe you don't have the math skills? Maybe you would just rather let the laser cycle out and take what you can get in the end cycle. Not me. Now that I am in a Retriever, making the calculations has been even more of a chore, especially since I can't fire up both Modulated Strip Miner II's at the same time due to cap limits. (its a skill thing, I know) Well, I had to adapt and come up with a more "accurate" but still "hands-on-non-macro-non-afk-cheat'n" solution. So I created the EVE Miner Timer. I have the only working prototype ATM, but if interest is wide enough (and profitable enough) I may release it to. I've asked CCP about it's legality, but they haven't responded yet. However, go here, Mr Xofar's EVE Website and read the disclaimer. Basically, it's an elaborate stopwatch for miners. I find it quite fun managing my lasers now. And all without macros. Incompetent Mr Xofar's EVE Website
Mr Xofar Minmatar	Posted - 2006.09.28 23:39:00 - [2] Well, I've seen lots of views to this topic. I'm curious what people think about it. Sure, it may break the imersion factor, if that's your thing. Personally, I'll take efficiency over emersion. As long as it's not a macro, IMO. That's for people who are either too lazy, or want to capitalize on laziness. I don't think the Miner Timer does either. In fact, it adds more "hands-on" to the tedium of waiting for chunks of rock to appear and just waiting for the computer to tell you that "The asteroid has been depleted." Now, you can time your lases to minimize cargo overflow from "over efficient" lasers. For instance, each Mod Strip Miner II on my Retriever mines 1004.29875 m3 per cycle. However, my cargo is only 2000. With my Miner Timer, I know exactly when load is about to be dumped. Here's another situation. Let's say I have two roid being mined. Roid A has 12 seconds before the current cycle ends, and Roib has about 9 seconds before it is depleted (but maybe 45 seconds on its current cycle). What should I do? Well, the fact that I know this at all is a testament to this laser management tool. Anyway, if I shut down the depleted Roid B, I risk the chance of overflow because the cycle for Roid A is about to end. So, I allow the cycle to naturally end for Roid A, move the ore, then shut down the laser for Roid B, and then start it up again. BUt wait, why start it up again so soon? You can select the next roid type and size during the current timing session. This way, you can select and target an asteroid while the lasers and timers are doing their thing. Then enter the quantity of ore and wait for the roid to deplete. Once the timer shows you've mined it enough to deplete it, you shut down and start up on the already targeted roid, without skipping a beat. Once the next session has begun, you can then move the ore from the depleted Roid B to the can in space. I've seen many posts on calculating Ore per minute and translating it into isk per hour. These formulas are misleading, because unless you time your laser in the most efficient manner, you are spending dead time on asteroids where nothing is going into your laser, and time deciding on which roid to target next and when. That lost time is lost isk. My guess is about 15-20% per hour for someone just letting their lasers cycle out. Over a week or month of mining, that's a lot of isk. If your mining the "good stuff", then you can be losing upwards of 2000isk per dead mining second! Incompetent Mr Xofar's EVE Website
Kruugore Minmatar Vigilant Justice	Posted - 2006.09.29 03:22:00 - [3] you know what I find easier? Just stopping and restarting the miners when cap fills up. halves wasted time.
Mr Xofar Minmatar	Posted - 2006.09.29 09:26:00 - [4] Originally by: Kruugore you know what I find easier? Just stopping and restarting the miners when cap fills up. halves wasted time. Okay, well there's thaaat. However, it's very crude and over time, you're still mining inefficiently. You're depending on how long it takes to recharge the cap for each laser. From 0 cap, it takes my Retriever just over a minute to recharge to the 126 cap required to activate it. If I only have a few units of ore in that roid, then I've wasted considerable time. Also, if your wasting 2000isk per second, I hardly think 1000isk per second loss as an acceptable alternitive is worthy. Unless of course you have billions. Incompetent Mr Xofar's EVE Website
Ralle030583 Gallente The Phoenix cor Phoenix Allianz	Posted - 2006.09.29 11:59:00 - [5] i would be interested if: you give me the source code too that i can compile myself and see that theres no keylogger implemted.
Mr Xofar Minmatar	Posted - 2006.09.29 12:58:00 - [6] The problem there is that by making it open source, I then have no incentive for people to pay. Since the program will require an activation key, provding the source code to customers would pretty much throw that out the window. However, I am waiting for CCP aproval for its usage as third party software in compiance with EULA 7.A.13. They have yet to ask for source code, but I'm sure they will, and I would happily provide it for them when they do. They will then know whether or not there is any keylogging going on. Which there is not, BTW, but I completely understand your concern. The program is clean, non-invasive, non-viral, non-spying, non-anything other than an array of advanced timers. I do plan to add other features yes, (like logging timing sessions to a tab delimited text file) but I am going to minimize the read/write functions as much as possible, and as of now, there will be no ADO connections. All game data is hard coded ATM, and most likely will continue to be. So, would CCP's review and approval of its usage be sufficient enough to ease your concerns of keylogging and the like? Incompetent Mr Xofar's EVE Website
Mr Xofar Minmatar	Posted - 2006.09.29 17:04:00 - [7] BTW, I just want to make it clear that I have not released this program yet, as I am waiting for the green light from CCP. Also, the base prices I listed on my website are just that, base prices. Those are the prices that I think the player who makes a purchase will recover the cost in a short amount of time through mor efficient mining. I also plan to allow the redistribution of the keys for the programs. So, players will be able to re-sell the keys and make their money back that way. There will be certain requirements though, which will all be spelled out clearly later. As far as initial distribution of unlock keys go. I haven't fully worked that out yet. I have a couple of options. 1)I could run a public auction on the forum for 3 keys for each of the three different builds, totaling 9 keys. After the auction, I will not create new keys, or sell any keys myself for a period of 45 days. That way the auction winners will have that time to reap the profits of their investment and keep or distribute their keys however they see fit. (The program is not to be sold for real money, period.) 2) I could just start releasing Notes in escrow with the unlock info and terms of usage and resale, etc. The players could just buy them direct from escrow and I don't have to worry about filling orders or running an auction. Minor upgrades/patches will be available, but major version changes will require the purchase of a new key. Which I may auction again. Major upgrades will have major improvements, and will be on a trial basis, so if you don't like the new version, you can revert back to the old version without paying anything. And again, this is all of course depending on whether or not CCP deems the timer legal. Incompetent Mr Xofar's EVE Website
Zatch Gallente Death of Virtue	Posted - 2006.09.29 17:39:00 - [8] Edited by: Zatch on 29/09/2006 17:41:46 How about not charging players for a simple program. If people start donating ISK, you've made something useful. Also, I highly doubt you'll get a red light from CCP because this program is just a cleaner, easier way of using a calculator. So long as it doesn't manipulate the mouse/keyboard, it falls way outside the realm of macros and in fact promotes more active playing. ----- Creator of the standalone EVE Material Level Calculator MLCalc
Mr Xofar Minmatar	Posted - 2006.09.29 18:02:00 - [9] Originally by: Zatch Edited by: Zatch on 29/09/2006 17:41:46 How about not charging players for a simple program. If people start donating ISK, you've made something useful. Also, I highly doubt you'll get a red light from CCP because this program is just a cleaner, easier way of using a calculator. So long as it doesn't manipulate the mouse/keyboard, it falls way outside the realm of macros and in fact promotes more active playing. I've thought of that actually, and I gave it some serious consideration in the beginning. But I'd like to think that it's more than just a simple program. It makes you money, and that's more than just useful IMO, it's profitable. If it's profitable, then it should be charged for. Character training planners are useful. This is different I think. Savings and profits are realized everytime you shut down the laser cycles on time and prevent dead mining cycles. You have constant, nearly uninterupted flow of ore into your lasers. I agree though, I don't think CCP would say no to it's use because it doesn't do any of those things you mentioned, but I want to be in full compliance of the EULA. So anyway, no, I'll think I'll continue my plans to charge for the program. If you want to give your key away after you've purchased it, then that's up to you. But I don't recommend that. Incompetent Mr Xofar's EVE Website
Mr Xofar Minmatar	Posted - 2006.09.30 12:39:00 - [10] I must say, I am surprised there has not been an overwhelming amount of interest in this. I've only had a handfull of interested pilots thus far. I'm going to take a couple of guesses as to why. 1) Probably the most prevalent would be that since I haven't released the program yet, nobody has anything to gage an opinion on it. Understandable to say the least. But do you really need the program in you hands to express an onpion of its usefullness? If you're an efficient/active miner, then you know that calculating the amount of time it takes to deplete a roid is at the forefront of efficient/active mining. 2) Another possibility is that most folks just don't understand how inefficient it is to NOT calculate the time it takes to deplete a roid or they don't care. To those folks I say, "awesome!" And I'll continue to out-mine you with the same setup/skills with my constant flow of ore filling my cargo hold. Whatever the reason, if it would help to have the trial version now, then I'll host the installation file tonight when I get home from work (around 21:00 gmt). I'll extend the trial period from 48 hours to 7 days for this initial (unauthorized) release. I will not, however, release any keys until I am confident that CCP won't deem the timer illegal for the game. Incompetent Mr Xofar's EVE Website
Mr Xofar Minmatar	Posted - 2006.09.30 21:22:00 - [11] I've added the files to the site. If anyone has a problem downloading or installing the program, please let me know. The program is packaged into an installation .exe file compiled by Inno Setup Installer. All runtime files necessary are already there. The Miner Timer is designed with running EVE in 1280x768 windowed mode, with the desktop in 1280x1024, in mind. One thing to note about that is, if you can't support those modes, try not to let the windows overlap or the graphics lag will cause the timing to be out of sync. You may not be able to use the timer without those modes. I'm working on a more "compact" solution for that. This is a trial version of the timer, but it has all of the basic asteroid types available. Sorry, no ice yet. That will be Group IV. Also, the trial notice will say that it is a 48 hour trial. This trial will be good for 7 days, however. I know there will be some folks who don't want to try it out for fear that I have prgrammed all kinds of nasties into the code. That's fine, I understand. But I do invite you to test it out on an isolated machine, maybe with no internet connection, or whatever, and scann the hell out ofit. You'll find that it is in fact clean. Incompetent Mr Xofar's EVE Website
Mr Xofar Minmatar	Posted - 2006.10.01 01:15:00 - [12] Scratch what I said about the overlapping windows, I fixed that. The timer will now run on top of EVE while EVE is in windowed mode without messing with the graphics. I'll upload the corrected version later, it's late and I'm going to bed. I'll also change the borders and title bar so that it belnds a little better with the EVE client window. I did however, have one person already mention that it's annoying that the timer doesn't go into the task bar. I may or may not change that. The reason I may not, and you can test this yourself, is if you mouse over anyting in the task bar while in windowed mode, the EVE client window graphicly lags. At least that is what I am experiencing. Incompetent Mr Xofar's EVE Website
Mr Xofar Minmatar	Posted - 2006.10.01 09:44:00 - [13] Version 1.0.1 has been uploaded. Changes: This version will remain on top of the EVE client window when EVE is in windowed mode. This prevents players from having to support 1280x768 resolution. IF you experience any graphics lag problems, please let me know. Next update: Version 1.0.2 I want to customize the title bar and window frame of the timer, so it will blend nicely with the EVE interface. There won't be any transparency however, since I honestly don't think that's possible without graphicly lagging the whole thing out. Incompetent Mr Xofar's EVE Website
Mr Xofar Minmatar	Posted - 2006.10.03 16:12:00 - [14] Well, it's a go. As per response of my petition, the EVE Miner Timer is legal to use ingame. I'll be announcing initial pricing in the Trades Forum. (It will most likely be an auction for a limited numer of re-sellable unlock keys.) I've made another revision to make blend a little better with the EVE interface, as I know the immersion factor may play a part in some folks decision to use it. So,... Version 1.0.4 Changes: The form's default mouse icon is now more EVE-ish. Adjusted the coloring of the interface to blend better with the colors of the Steelgray color scheme setting. I will make it possible to adjust this as well in a later revision to blend with the other color schemes. Bare with me on this one as I am colorblind. Why do you think I chose to blend the gray first? =) Created my own "UpDown" control for more "blending". Incompetent Mr Xofar's EVE Website
Mr Xofar Minmatar	Posted - 2006.10.04 04:14:00 - [15] A couple of quick changes Version 1.0.5:Uploaded late last night. Code optimization. (removed some unused controls and code) Version 1.0.6:Uploaded @ 03:58 GMT, 3 OCT, 06 Removed Cycle Duration limitation. This was brought to my attention by Sovelis, thanks. Incompetent Mr Xofar's EVE Website
Ulysses Icarusson	Posted - 2006.10.04 04:35:00 - [16] Great Idea. I am also a dedicated miner and anything that increases efficiency is a good thing. The only drawback for me is I don't use a scanner due to it being completely unweildy and slower than my lasers are. I do use the INFO function to check the rocks Radius, and then estimate the potential ore in it. I then have a rough idea how many pulls I can make on the rock. Unfortunatly, since I don't use a scanner at all, and I can only assume most other miners don't also, I see limited usefulness for your timer. If it could incorporate Radius somehow it might be useful to me. Nice going though and a very ambitious project that could help a lot of miners out there.
Mr Xofar Minmatar	Posted - 2006.10.04 05:20:00 - [17] Ugh. It's only when I don't copy my long post prior to updating that the forum takes a crap on it. Anyway, the short verison of what I attempted to post: Your right, scanners don't update fast when you keep them on. But that's okay,because the timer provides a real time progress indication. As fast as the scanner SHOULD be. (without that wretched noise) Tell me how you calculate the quantity based on the radius, and I'll add it to the timer as a revision for folks who don't use the scanner. Incompetent Mr Xofar's EVE Website
Mr Xofar Minmatar	Posted - 2006.10.08 11:39:00 - [18] Edited by: Mr Xofar on 08/10/2006 11:41:42 Upload Complete ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 10/08/2006 Verison: 1.0.7 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Files: 1 - Added "ReleaseNotes.txt" to installation Bugs: 1 - Mining Rate remained as the "Doubled Up/Down" value when the session was reset. Mining Rate will now reset to original value. Revisions: 1 - Added "+" bar at bottom of each timer to indicate the number of lasers included in the the Mining Rate Value after clicking "Double Up/Down Laser". Appearance: 1 - "Close Timer" button will now remain the same as the base background color. Incompetent Mr Xofar's EVE Website
Charok	Posted - 2006.10.10 00:10:00 - [19] Can you post a Video showing how this tool works? I would like to see it in action being you dont offer a free version of it. You might want to make a shareware or limited version that will allow people to see what there getting say make it only usable on veld and only for a few days. Short of that just a video showing it (with good detail) in use and its features...
Mr Xofar Minmatar	Posted - 2006.10.10 09:42:00 - [20] Originally by: Charok Can you post a Video showing how this tool works? I would like to see it in action being you dont offer a free version of it. You might want to make a shareware or limited version that will allow people to see what there getting say make it only usable on veld and only for a few days. Short of that just a video showing it (with good detail) in use and its features... The default version is a 7 day Trial with all asteroids available for timing. After 7 days, you need a key to unlock the full version for that group build. Mr Xofar's EVE Website Miner Timer Auction
Popsikle Caffeine Commodities Company Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2006.10.11 15:26:00 - [21] Originally by: Mr Xofar I must say, I am surprised there has not been an overwhelming amount of interest in this. I've only had a handfull of interested pilots thus far. I'm going to take a couple of guesses as to why. I think its actually because its easier just to stop the miners halfway thru the cycle and stick each laser on a different roid, then try and input all this info from a riod scanner and such. If you take the time it takes you use half cycles versus full cycles and then compare that with the amount of time it takes someone to fill in the info in your program, I think you have your reasons for not alot of interest. Its a niche application and expecting anything other then a niche userbase would be silly! __________________________________________ -= We Fly for our people =- -= I fly for Blood =-
Vizgoth	Posted - 2006.10.11 15:36:00 - [22] I play 4 accounts (while mining): 2 barges, 1 apoc tanking with minerII's, and a hauler. I mine in 0.0 space where I have to constantly watch local and intel channel. I don't have to time to time every account and to be honest its not necessary. I also cycle when cap fills up. I make over a billion a week mining so no need to micro manage.
Mr Xofar Minmatar	Posted - 2006.10.11 16:52:00 - [23] Edited by: Mr Xofar on 11/10/2006 16:54:46 Edited by: Mr Xofar on 11/10/2006 16:52:57 Originally by: Popsikle I think its actually because its easier just to stop the miners halfway thru the cycle and stick each laser on a different roid, then try and input all this info from a riod scanner and such. If you take the time it takes you use half cycles versus full cycles and then compare that with the amount of time it takes someone to fill in the info in your program, I think you have your reasons for not alot of interest. Its a niche application and expecting anything other then a niche userbase would be silly! You're still losing ore, it's inescapable. even if you only wait the 90 second of a half cycle on a strip miner, that's ~1800 units of lost pyrox at my current mining rate, when I can just stop when I KNOW there is no more ore in the roid and start on another. And the amount of time it takes to fill out the info, hmmm, less than two seconds? Then after that, you que the next roid and all you have to do is stop the and restart laser when it's empty, then restart the timer. Rinse and repeat. You say it's easier? Hell, it's EASIEST to just let the lasers cycle out. But easiest is NEVER the most efficient. No on to Vizgoth, the power miner... Originally by: Vizgoth I play 4 accounts (while mining): 2 barges, 1 apoc tanking with minerII's, and a hauler. I mine in 0.0 space where I have to constantly watch local and intel channel. I don't have to time to time every account and to be honest its not necessary. I also cycle when cap fills up. I make over a billion a week mining so no need to micro manage. Kudos, my hat's off to you for being a mining tycoon. However, not every player is willing to spend $60/month for that level of mining for any game. You're just either smoking ***** and you don't have much of a life beyond EVE, or your making real money playing. I apologize if that's insulting, but playing 4 accounts is beyond obsession, or profitable. Now, there are plenty of players out there who understand efficiency, and enjoy the game for the sake of it being a game. They may want to be more efficient at mining without running multiple accounts and macros all day. For them, I have the Miner Timer. And it's not niche, Popsikle, it will be the rave among the solo miners and gang miners who want to yield more hourly ore without spending more monthly cash. It's a little slow catching on, I admit. But, that because of the misconceptions that the way things have been being done are the most efficicient. They are not. Timing your lasers, especially for the lower volume ore, is the MOST efficient way to mine. Prove me wrong. Mr Xofar's EVE Website Miner Timer Auction
Regnirok Minmatar Kynosoura Dynamics	Posted - 2006.10.11 18:20:00 - [24] Can I make a small suggestion? Typically when I mine I do so with the television on, or reading websites on my other computer, or reading a book or anything. I currently use a program called Time After Time which is basically a glorified programmable egg timer on your computer. I set a timer for each laser to play a .WAV file every 180 seconds and then set it to recur. When mining two different rocks, I set each timer to a different .WAV file. You wouldn't even need to include any sound files, just allow the program to call to windows system .WAVs when lasers hit a new cycle. Not sure if anyone else will find it useful but I know I would.
Mr Xofar Minmatar	Posted - 2006.10.11 19:02:00 - [25] Originally by: Regnirok Can I make a small suggestion? Typically when I mine I do so with the television on, or reading websites on my other computer, or reading a book or anything. I currently use a program called Time After Time which is basically a glorified programmable egg timer on your computer. I set a timer for each laser to play a .WAV file every 180 seconds and then set it to recur. When mining two different rocks, I set each timer to a different .WAV file. You wouldn't even need to include any sound files, just allow the program to call to windows system .WAVs when lasers hit a new cycle. Not sure if anyone else will find it useful but I know I would. That's all well and good, but your still mining inefficiently. Don't get me wrong on this reply. I know many players out there that view mining as a pass time when not pvping, or doing other things more, well, fun. But if you just can't stand to allow your lasers to continue to mine an already empty asteroid for the better part of an entire cycle, then using this timer is deffinitely the answer. The only other alternative is to do the calculations yourself using pen/paper/calculator/stopwatch, and keep track of the timing that way. Which is exactly what I was doing for several weeks before creating this little program. I plan to add a feature to the timer that displays your laser's efficiency. Basically, it will be a simple percentage value of seconds_positive_mining/seconds_active_laser. This will be a nice way to show exactly how efficient using the timer is compared to cycling out, or using half cycles. Obviously, the 'seconds_positive_mining' is time spent actually pulling ore. Mr Xofar's EVE Website Miner Timer Auction
Mr Xofar Minmatar	Posted - 2006.10.12 09:31:00 - [26] Edited by: Mr Xofar on 12/10/2006 09:35:43 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 10/13/2006 Verison: 1.0.8 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Interface: 1 - Added "Buttonize" control next to "Close Timer" button. This will send the timer to the upper left corner of the EVE Client interface as a button. Click on the button and it will return to it's previous location. Bugs: 1 - Error occured when a non-numeric value was entered into any one of the fields. This was a simple validation fix. Application: 1 - Timer now saves settings when you close it. You can view these settings in the registry under HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\VB and VBA Program Settings\MinerTimer_I (I, II, or III) Mr Xofar's EVE Website Miner Timer Auction
Level4 Minmatar Red Frog Investments Daikoku Trade Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.12 11:03:00 - [27] Nice tool Xofar. A few suggestions... 1) It would be nice if you could add a jetcan expiration timer, so we know when to refresh the jetcan. 2) Don't forget to take into account mining drones, many ppl use them, even on barges. I believe your tool already supports it, just takes time to configure it all. 3) keep track of amounts mined so far per roid... very usefull to know that at the end of the mining op. ( also please support all 3 types of ore yields per group. thats all for now.. Join us in channel "Profit"
Mr Xofar Minmatar	Posted - 2006.10.12 12:37:00 - [28] Originally by: Level4 Nice tool Xofar. A few suggestions... 1) It would be nice if you could add a jetcan expiration timer, so we know when to refresh the jetcan. 2) Don't forget to take into account mining drones, many ppl use them, even on barges. I believe your tool already supports it, just takes time to configure it all. 3) keep track of amounts mined so far per roid... very usefull to know that at the end of the mining op. ( also please support all 3 types of ore yields per group. thats all for now.. 1) Already working on that. You'll be able to track the decay of up to 4 cans. Can't see any need for more than that, at least not now. However, I may save this for the major upgrade to 1.1.0. 2) I thought of this as well, for now though, just enter the mining rate of one drone and then click on the [+1] button when you start the timer, once for each drone. The timing of mining drones is tricky since there is travel time involved. I thought of adding a Travel Speed, for drones, but even that won't work since they orbit the roid and the distance they travel back to the ship after each cycle varies a bit. Even if you're backed up next to the roid at 50 m. So, no matter what, the timing is going to be off by a bit, but it's still accurate enough for you to manage. 3) This one is deffinitely a major upgrade, and is also in the works. In fact I have a plan for the user to be able to set mining operation goals. I'm just debating on how to display the progress of the goals. A ticker tape sort of diplay might be cool "<--- TRI 34% PYR 18% MEX 27% <---" scrolling across the top of the form as you mine. This would require some refining efficiency settings and such, so this is a longer term feature add. Like a few weeks for me to get around to it after brainstorming on it for a while. As far as including all three roid types, that's not necessary, since all the roids types have the same ore volume. Pyroxeres, Solid Pyroxeres and Viscous Pyroxeres all have a Volume of 0.3 m3 frex. Unless your talking about mineral yield per type. If so, that will come with the goal setting feature. Great ideas, and they are in the works for the major upgrade. I may include the jetcan timer as a revision however, since it's a pretty basic need IMO. Currently, when I jet a can, I rename it as the current EVE time. This helps alot. I refresh my cans about every half hour. Mr Xofar's EVE Website Miner Timer Auction
Level4 Minmatar Red Frog Investments Daikoku Trade Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.12 14:03:00 - [29] Thanx for the quick feedback, Looks like you got a nice roadmap planned for your tool. I must be the only person in eve, who rename's his jetcan to Eve POP time.. which is for me jetcan creation time + 1hr. This way I dont have to calculate all the time when to refresh.. I just look at the eve clock... keep up the good work. Join us in channel "Profit"
Mr Xofar Minmatar	Posted - 2006.10.12 14:14:00 - [30] Originally by: Level4 Thanx for the quick feedback, Looks like you got a nice roadmap planned for your tool. I must be the only person in eve, who rename's his jetcan to Eve POP time.. which is for me jetcan creation time + 1hr. This way I dont have to calculate all the time when to refresh.. I just look at the eve clock... keep up the good work. lol, it never occured to me to put the pop time. Oh well, either way is good, and I'll be adding the timers as a revision. Thanks for finding the tool useful. Have you purchased a key yet from one of the acution winners? You can find there names in the auction link in mysig. Mr Xofar's EVE Website Miner Timer Auction
Rasca Juono London Transport Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.13 00:45:00 - [31] I picked up a copy of the key last night and started using the program. Very impressed with it so far. Though normally I just put my guns on a roid and wait for the 'this roid has popped' voice notification, this makes it much easier by actually giving you a time frame in which you should expect to move your lasers. I think I managed to be in one of the few 0.0 sectors with 4 pieces of crokite (ok I exagerate but you get my drift) so I try not to pop the rocks that often. This will help me 'farm' my little section of space. I do appreciate it. I did have a problem, however, with the program once taking over my entire screen. I'm not sure how this is programmed so please excuse my poor explaination. If I tried to alt-tab to a different application, say firefox, when I alt-tab back it seems that the Eve screen is 'frozen' while the timer is accessible. If I drag the timer down the screen you can actually see the Eve window behind it, working correctly. Drag the timer back up and there's the static Eve client window staring at me. Maybe I'll try and get a screencap for you. Anyways sorry for the ramble. other than that little situation, great little program. Thanks.
Mr Xofar Minmatar	Posted - 2006.10.13 09:15:00 - [32] Edited by: Mr Xofar on 13/10/2006 09:16:33 Originally by: Rasca Juono I picked up a copy of the key last night and started using the program. Very impressed with it so far. Though normally I just put my guns on a roid and wait for the 'this roid has popped' voice notification, this makes it much easier by actually giving you a time frame in which you should expect to move your lasers. I think I managed to be in one of the few 0.0 sectors with 4 pieces of crokite (ok I exagerate but you get my drift) so I try not to pop the rocks that often. This will help me 'farm' my little section of space. I do appreciate it. I did have a problem, however, with the program once taking over my entire screen. I'm not sure how this is programmed so please excuse my poor explaination. If I tried to alt-tab to a different application, say firefox, when I alt-tab back it seems that the Eve screen is 'frozen' while the timer is accessible. If I drag the timer down the screen you can actually see the Eve window behind it, working correctly. Drag the timer back up and there's the static Eve client window staring at me. Maybe I'll try and get a screencap for you. Anyways sorry for the ramble. other than that little situation, great little program. Thanks. Oh, wow. That is bizarre. Are you running EVE in windowed mode? If not, you should, since that's really the best way to run the program without having to switch back and forth. Also, you will get bad graphics lag if the windows overlap. That's in the documentation, I think. If not, I'll be sure to add it. Just press the ESC key, and go to Display Settings, then select "Windowed" in the top drop down menu. You can then drag the EVE window up as high as you can, and slightly to the left to hide the blus frame as much as possible. You'll be able to minimize EVE by clicking on the sliver of button remaining in view. Then start the timer program, and restore EVE. I know it sounds like a lot at first, but before long you won't even notice it. Especially since I made the "Buttonize" button on the program. Glad you like the program. You should see an increase in hourly yield right away. The other cool thing is it DOES take a fair amount of skill to use. So the better you get at using it, the more efficient your lasers will be. Mr Xofar's EVE Website Miner Timer Auction
Mr Xofar Minmatar	Posted - 2006.10.13 09:16:00 - [33] Edited by: Mr Xofar on 13/10/2006 09:16:07 Argh, double post Mr Xofar's EVE Website Miner Timer Auction
Rasca Juono London Transport Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.13 09:42:00 - [34] Edited by: Rasca Juono on 13/10/2006 09:44:01 Sorry, surprised I did'nt mention it. Yes, playing in windowed mode. Check this link for an image of the problem. Error state See how the screen seems cut in half? Everything in line with the top of the timer program and below is static, everything above is normal eve window. If I pull the timer program up, the line goes up until I can't see anything at all of my live window. only fix is to drag the timer program window all the way to the bottom so I can see my screen correctly. Any ideas? Thanks!
Mr Xofar Minmatar	Posted - 2006.10.13 10:58:00 - [35] Originally by: Rasca Juono Sorry, surprised I did'nt mention it. Yes, playing in windowed mode. Check this link for an image of the problem. Error state See how the screen seems cut in half? Everything in line with the top of the timer program and below is static, everything above is normal eve window. If I pull the timer program up, the line goes up until I can't see anything at all of my live window. only fix is to drag the timer program window all the way to the bottom so I can see my screen correctly. Any ideas? Thanks! That is strange indeed. Couple of questions: What kind of video card do you have? What is the 'Shift Window' program running in the tray? I'm not familiar with that. Possible fix: Try running the timer without 'Shift Window' running. Right click on tray and select properties. Uncheck the box that makes the tray stay on top. It looks to me like the timer is fighting with the EVE Client to stay on top, but this shouldn't be the case. Mr Xofar's EVE Website Miner Timer Auction
Rasca Juono London Transport Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.14 01:49:00 - [36] Edited by: Rasca Juono on 14/10/2006 01:49:54 Geforce 6600GT is the video card. I didn't think of this but, yes, perhaps it is a conflict. ShiftWindow allows you to make the Eve Client in windowed mode fit your screen exactly. Very much like playing in full screen but you're not. I'll be mining later tonight. I'll let you know.
Mr Xofar Minmatar	Posted - 2006.10.14 08:00:00 - [37] Originally by: Rasca Juono Edited by: Rasca Juono on 14/10/2006 01:49:54 Geforce 6600GT is the video card. I didn't think of this but, yes, perhaps it is a conflict. ShiftWindow allows you to make the Eve Client in windowed mode fit your screen exactly. Very much like playing in full screen but you're not. I'll be mining later tonight. I'll let you know. Yeah, I don't think it's a video card problem. The Shift Window app seems to be the culprit. The VB code I use to keep the timer on top is a pretty straight forward API call. I have no idea what the Shift Window program does to make the EVE client fit full screen, but remain in window mode. Personally, I wouldn't use a program the moves the EVE window anyway, since that's technically a "no no" because it's interacting with the EVE client, in a round-a-bout way. I am curious how it's done though. My guess is he acquires the handle to the EVE client window and moves it so the title bar and frame is offscreen. Mr Xofar's EVE Website Miner Timer Auction
Rasca Juono London Transport Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.14 10:48:00 - [38] Just to let you know Xofar, the Eve Launcher program must do something slightly different than the shift window program. I'm having NO conflicts at all. Very happy about it. Thanks for the assist and thanks for the great tool!
Mr Xofar Minmatar	Posted - 2006.10.14 10:55:00 - [39] Originally by: Rasca Juono Just to let you know Xofar, the Eve Launcher program must do something slightly different than the shift window program. I'm having NO conflicts at all. Very happy about it. Thanks for the assist and thanks for the great tool! Awesome! Glad to hear it. I may download the EVE Launcher myself. Mr Xofar's EVE Website Miner Timer Auction
Mr Xofar Minmatar	Posted - 2006.10.15 13:58:00 - [40] Version Updated ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 10/15/2006 Verison: 1.0.10 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Save Settings: 2 - Will now save the number of timers you have open when you close the timer. - Saves position of form now as well. No more repositioning when you open the timer. Enchancement: 1 - Added 4 Jetcan timers. You can now keep track of the age of up to 4 jetcans. Each timer background color will change to red when the timer reaches 45 minutes. Click "JET" to start the timer, click it again to reset. Border color changes for active jetcan timers. If you are timing more than one can at a time, use the Jetcan name text box to keep track of the correct cans. Mr Xofar's EVE Website Miner Timer Auction
ZexMarquies01 Minmatar OCForums Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.16 03:29:00 - [41] man, i'm glad i bumped into this thread! This sounds like a GREAT program which could use. how well does this program work on dual monitors? Dual monitors makes my Eve-life SOOO much easier. ( i'm playing eve now, while typing this on my 2nd monitor ). I doubt there are many problems, but just making sure. And i REALLY like the idea of having the program make some sort of sound before the specific astroid is depleted. Like, a timer goes off about 15 seconds or so before the roid is empty. Even better, if you could set it up, so we can can choose WHEN the timer goes off. Either 5 seconds till, or 30 seconds. And we can set different sounds to each Mining laser. cause i too, watch alot of movies while mining ( my movie collection has nearly doubled since i started mining in eve ). Or i have some browser open, reading posts at boards, or watching some movie/anime on the 2nd monitor. And a alarm system would be EXTREMLY helpfull. definetly keeping this thread book-marked, along with your site. This is a program that i will keep watching, and see how it slowly changes with each update you do on it. "Peace is nothing but a result of war"
Mr Xofar Minmatar	Posted - 2006.10.16 09:30:00 - [42] Originally by: ZexMarquies01 man, i'm glad i bumped into this thread! This sounds like a GREAT program which could use. how well does this program work on dual monitors? Dual monitors makes my Eve-life SOOO much easier. ( i'm playing eve now, while typing this on my 2nd monitor ). I doubt there are many problems, but just making sure. And i REALLY like the idea of having the program make some sort of sound before the specific astroid is depleted. Like, a timer goes off about 15 seconds or so before the roid is empty. Even better, if you could set it up, so we can can choose WHEN the timer goes off. Either 5 seconds till, or 30 seconds. And we can set different sounds to each Mining laser. cause i too, watch alot of movies while mining ( my movie collection has nearly doubled since i started mining in eve ). Or i have some browser open, reading posts at boards, or watching some movie/anime on the 2nd monitor. And a alarm system would be EXTREMLY helpfull. definetly keeping this thread book-marked, along with your site. This is a program that i will keep watching, and see how it slowly changes with each update you do on it. I do plan to add sounds and you will be able to change spcific settings like you suggested. I just have a few features to work out before hand, like efficiency display, and crystal change reminder. Mr Xofar's EVE Website Miner Timer Auction
Linda Duane	Posted - 2006.10.16 14:21:00 - [43] Edited by: Linda Duane on 16/10/2006 14:21:42 The idea is cool, but I don't like the survey scanner atm, which is essential to the process.. Is there a way, to filter the ore in the survey scan window all the time? I only want to see f.i. scordite roids and their values and not also veldspar and pyroxeres? Linda
Mr Xofar Minmatar	Posted - 2006.10.16 14:29:00 - [44] Originally by: Linda Duane Edited by: Linda Duane on 16/10/2006 14:21:42 The idea is cool, but I don't like the survey scanner atm, which is essential to the process.. Is there a way, to filter the ore in the survey scan window all the time? I only want to see f.i. scordite roids and their values and not also veldspar and pyroxeres? Linda No, you can't filter roid types in the Survey Scanner atm. You can sort them though, by name or qty. I'm working on a reliable formula to determine the qty of ore using the radius, but it's margin of error is like +/- 300 ore. Mr Xofar's EVE Website Miner Timer Thread
Mr Xofar Minmatar	Posted - 2006.10.23 22:28:00 - [45] Next update will include the following changes. Ijust wanted to get this up so folks know what to expect. I should have this out tomorrow, or the next day. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: --/--/2006 Verison: 1.0.11 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Appearance: 2 - Changed Jetcan timer font to more readable font. (Same as Depletion timer font) - [JET] button caption will now change to [X] when the timer is started. It will return to [JET] when clicking it again. Interface: 2 - Removed 11 character limit on Mining Rate. Now you can enter the full precision of your current mining rate. - Cycle timer and Depletion timer changes colors when timers hit 15 seconds. Sound: 2 - Sounds have been added to the following events: Button Click, Cycle end, Cycle near end, Asteroid depleted, Asteroid nearly depleted, jetcan reminder. - File browser has been included to select your own sounds for each of these events. If the sounds are too loud you can re-record them at a lower volume. Sorry, but that's the only way to control the volume using PlaySound API calls in VB6. Sound Descriptions/Credits: 5 - "17297_luffy_luffy_earth3.wav" created by Luffy. Downloaded from FreeSoundProject at http://freesound.iua.upf.edu/index.php. Description: This is the sound of your mining laser emptying its "collection cyclinder" into the cargo hold. The ore is smashed to pieces as it is ejected into the hold. - "17289_luffy_luffy_earth1.wav" created by Luffy. Downloaded from FreeSoundProject at http://freesound.iua.upf.edu/index.php. Description: This is the sound of your mining laser locking up its "collection cyclinder" since it is no longer collecting ore. - "tick1.wav" created by cinelasnibat. Downloaded from WavePlanet at http://www.wavplanet.com/index.php. Description: It's a button, clicking. - "red_alert.wav" created by (unknown). Downloaded from WavePlanet at http://www.wavplanet.com/index.php. Description: You can't ignore this alarm. - "end_cycle.wav" single beep ripped from "3beeps.wav" created by webmaster. Downloaded from WavePlanet at http://www.wavplanet.com/index.php. Description: A subtle audible indicator that a cycle is about to end. Also used for "Asteroid nearly depleted". Mr Xofar's EVE Website Miner Timer Thread
Mr Xofar Minmatar	Posted - 2006.10.24 16:14:00 - [46] See above post for official update info Mr Xofar's EVE Website Miner Timer Thread
Mr Xofar Minmatar	Posted - 2006.10.25 16:27:00 - [47] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 10/25/2006 Verison: 1.0.12 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bugs: 1 - Fixed a conversion bug that resulted in a fatal <Type Mismatch> error when starting the timer. This is a very rare bug. I only know of one user that has experienced this and I want to thank him (Hober Zarel) for his patience and assistance in getting this corrected. I couldn't reproduce the error on my machine, nor was anyone else reporting the same error. So, Hober was kind enough to repeatedly download and reinstall the modified program with error trapping until the bug was found and corrected. Mr Xofar's EVE Website Miner Timer Thread
Hober Zarel Red Frog Investments Daikoku Trade Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.26 10:42:00 - [48] I want to thank Mr Xofar for excellent service. I had some trouble getting this program to run, but Xofar fixed it fast and proffesionaly. As for the program itself. I can't figure out how any miner with a bit of ambition can manage without it . It's easy to use and cut the time needed to fill a can drasticly. Try it out for youself and you'll see what I mean.
Charok	Posted - 2006.10.27 14:44:00 - [49] Repost from another thread. Mr Xofar, I have been on these boards for quite some time and I must say your getting under my skin. I have no problem with your tool, and I have no problem paying for it. The problem I have is every time someone mentions mining your in the thread trying to sale your Mining Tool. Your like a popup I can't block, or a car salesman I can't knock out. I get it, your tool is the best thing since sliced bread. It slices it dices you can even wash your car with it. So here is the deal. When you see someone talking about mining I invite you to join the conversation, you can talk about anything you would like so long as its on topic and not a sales pitch like a rabid car salesman, with that place a link in your sig to your mining tool and even a few words like "This mining tool can even wash your car!!!". And what am I going to do if you don't stop? Simple, I will not buy your tool that I have already used for 7 days. I will show this post to every mining friend I have and ask them not to buy your tool. Don't take this as an idle threat take it as a warning, you can ignore me and lose someone who is thinking about buying your tool and would be telling everyone how good it is. Give it a break. Good products sale themselfs and you have a good product.
Mr Xofar Minmatar	Posted - 2006.10.27 17:08:00 - [50] Originally by: Charok Repost from another thread. Mr Xofar, I have been on these boards for quite some time and I must say your getting under my skin. I have no problem with your tool, and I have no problem paying for it. The problem I have is every time someone mentions mining your in the thread trying to sale your Mining Tool. Your like a popup I can't block, or a car salesman I can't knock out. I get it, your tool is the best thing since sliced bread. It slices it dices you can even wash your car with it. So here is the deal. When you see someone talking about mining I invite you to join the conversation, you can talk about anything you would like so long as its on topic and not a sales pitch like a rabid car salesman, with that place a link in your sig to your mining tool and even a few words like "This mining tool can even wash your car!!!". And what am I going to do if you don't stop? Simple, I will not buy your tool that I have already used for 7 days. I will show this post to every mining friend I have and ask them not to buy your tool. Don't take this as an idle threat take it as a warning, you can ignore me and lose someone who is thinking about buying your tool and would be telling everyone how good it is. Give it a break. Good products sale themselfs and you have a good product. Charok, I appreciate your candor. Honestly, I do. However, not including the thread I started when I released the program, there are only two other threads that I have made an extensive contribution to, in regards to making my timer known, and one of them is mine. (link already in sig as you kindly suggested) I recently apologized to the OP in the other one for "hi-jacking" his thread, just before you made your "deal". So, to say "every time someone mentions mining", I counter that as a bit of an exaggeration, imho. I also think you missed the point of my apology to the OP of the thread I semi-hi-jacked. Now, as far as your "deal". Do I want YOUR sale? Well, of course I do. I'd be silly if I said I didn't; I'd also be a liar. Money is money. I also want you to tell your mining friends that my timer IS the best thing since sliced bread. Of course I do. But... Am I going to heed your "warning"? I can't answer that directly. However, I will say this. If I feel someone needs to know about my tool, I will tell them. Not to make an enemy of you and lose a sale - possibly ten, or more; but, to make a customer of them and gain a sale - possibly ten, ore more. And finally, Thank you, for recognizing my timer as a useful product. That is appreciated. Mr Xofar's EVE Website Miner Timer Thread
01001101 Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.28 04:42:00 - [51] Not to mention that untill he makes another auction He wont be seeing any profits from the keys, Only the distributors that own key sets, so it is incorrect to think that he would get any profit from advertising it.
Mr Xofar Minmatar	Posted - 2006.10.28 06:17:00 - [52] Edited by: Mr Xofar on 28/10/2006 06:22:50 Edited by: Mr Xofar on 28/10/2006 06:18:44 Originally by: 01001101 Not to mention that untill he makes another auction He wont be seeing any profits from the keys, Only the distributors that own key sets, so it is incorrect to think that he would get any profit from advertising it. That's not entirely true, actually. The deal was that I would hold off for 45 days after the auction, after which time I could freely sell and distribute and of the keys from the auction. I just wouldn't make any NEW keys until a major upgrade; and those would be auctioned off as well. Also, in all honesty, I did sell one key with the permission of the auction winner, who had incidently already made their investment back and a were already realizing a profit from resale. Mr Xofar's EVE Website Miner Timer Thread
Emeline Cabernet Amarr KVA Noble Inc.	Posted - 2006.10.28 11:44:00 - [53] survey scanner? know what each miner yields? easy? yes.
Charok	Posted - 2006.10.28 18:55:00 - [54] Originally by: Mr Xofar I appreciate your candor. Honestly, I do. However, not including the thread I started when I released the program, there are only two other threads that I have made an extensive contribution to, in regards to making my timer known, and one of them is mine. (link already in sig as you kindly suggested) I recently apologized to the OP in the other one for "hi-jacking" his thread, just before you made your "deal". So, to say "every time someone mentions mining", I counter that as a bit of an exaggeration, imho. I also think you missed the point of my apology to the OP of the thread I semi-hi-jacked. Dont think your apology went unnoticed. Yet semi-hi-jacked is well off from the truth. At the point that I posted I would say about 50% of the posts were from you if not more. Quote: Now, as far as your "deal". Do I want YOUR sale? Well, of course I do. I'd be silly if I said I didn't; I'd also be a liar. Money is money. I also want you to tell your mining friends that my timer IS the best thing since sliced bread. Of course I do. But... Am I going to heed your "warning"? I can't answer that directly. However, I will say this. If I feel someone needs to know about my tool, I will tell them. Not to make an enemy of you and lose a sale - possibly ten, or more; but, to make a customer of them and gain a sale - possibly ten, ore more. I didn't say you could not tell anyone about your product, I stated: Quote: you can talk about anything you would like so long as its on topic and not a sales pitch like a rabid car salesman I felt yesterdays post was well into this discription (I think you do as well). If the topic of discusion is how to up your yeild or an anyway involves your app feel free to let them know about your app just as I would do. When the questions start in on your product invite them back here to further disscus it and leave the other post with your one post letting them know where to get more information. Quote: And finally, Thank you, for recognizing my timer as a useful product. That is appreciated. Thanks are not needed I have said it before and will say it again. You have a good product. Don't force my hand as I will turn my back on a good product for the sake of its creator.
Mr Xofar Xofar Mining -N- Trans	Posted - 2006.10.28 21:09:00 - [55] Oh ffs, Charok, get over yourself, or get off my thread. If you like my program, buy it. I you don't like my advertising, get over it. Honestly, I could care less either way. I was fairly polite in my first response. But I'll not have you dictate to me how to advertise my program. I may have annoyed you and maybe a few others, but I've broken no rules, ethical or literal. When I felt that I may have been approaching the possibilty of breaking any rules, I took the apporpriate action and acknowledged it, then left the thread. I even opted to not respond to your assinine remarks in both threads. Which was nothing short of trolling on your part, BTW. Don't "force my hand" you say? How about this? I WON'T sell it to you. Your fired. If you'd just left that part out, I might have just let it go and went on about my merry business. But no, you had to be a donkey. Mr Xofar's EVE Website Miner Timer Thread
Fliewatuet Angelus dos Business	Posted - 2006.10.29 03:53:00 - [56] Originally by: Mr Xofar I'm working on a reliable formula to determine the qty of ore using the radius, but it's margin of error is like +/- 300 ore. Apart from the range in between the qty of an asteroid depending on its size lies... isn't it the case that a roid doesn't shrink on the overview regarding the roid size? I only saw them pop in case they were depleted. Or is it just my overview not updating correctly? Regards, Fliewatuet --
Mr Xofar Xofar Mining -N- Trans	Posted - 2006.10.29 05:05:00 - [57] Edited by: Mr Xofar on 29/10/2006 05:06:13 Originally by: Fliewatuet Originally by: Mr Xofar I'm working on a reliable formula to determine the qty of ore using the radius, but it's margin of error is like +/- 300 ore. Apart from the range in between the qty of an asteroid depending on its size lies... isn't it the case that a roid doesn't shrink on the overview regarding the roid size? I only saw them pop in case they were depleted. Or is it just my overview not updating correctly? Regards, Fliewatuet That's correct, the size does not update in real time on the scanner listing as you mine it. However, it's size is accurate at the time of the scan. Also, if you activate the scanner while mining, you won't see the change in the listing until it actually pulls the ore. However, you only need to activate the scanner once while mining, since now when a roid is depleted, it is removed from the list automatically. EDIT: Oh, and the radius does not get smaller as you mine it, ever. It only gets bigger at respawn. That's why it's mostly inaccurate to use the radius to gage the quantity. Mr Xofar's EVE Website Miner Timer Thread
Charok	Posted - 2006.10.29 09:29:00 - [58] QFT Originally by: Mr Xofar Oh ffs, Charok, get over yourself, or get off my thread. If you like my program, buy it. I you don't like my advertising, get over it. Honestly, I could care less either way. I was fairly polite in my first response. But I'll not have you dictate to me how to advertise my program. I may have annoyed you and maybe a few others, but I've broken no rules, ethical or literal. When I felt that I may have been approaching the possibilty of breaking any rules, I took the apporpriate action and acknowledged it, then left the thread. I even opted to not respond to your assinine remarks in both threads. Which was nothing short of trolling on your part, BTW. Don't "force my hand" you say? How about this? I WON'T sell it to you. Your fired. If you'd just left that part out, I might have just let it go and went on about my merry business. But no, you had to be a donkey.
Mr Xofar Xofar Mining -N- Trans	Posted - 2006.10.29 10:39:00 - [59] So, you agree, good. QFT Originally by: Charok QFT Originally by: Mr Xofar ...Which was nothing short of trolling on your part, BTW... Mr Xofar's EVE Website Miner Timer Thread
Mr Xofar Xofar Mining -N- Trans	Posted - 2006.10.29 10:47:00 - [60] Edited by: Mr Xofar on 29/10/2006 10:48:24 So, you agree, good. QFT Originally by: Charok QFT Originally by: Mr Xofar ...Which was nothing short of trolling on your part, BTW... edit: Oh, and that's my final response to any of your posts. Have a nice day. Mr Xofar's EVE Website Miner Timer Thread
Charok	Posted - 2006.10.30 16:38:00 - [61] Originally by: Mr Xofar So, you agree, good. QFT Originally by: Charok QFT Originally by: Mr Xofar ...Which was nothing short of trolling on your part, BTW... Wow you are as stupid as I thought. QFT means "Quote For Truth" Its a way of quoteing you so you can't change your wording in an edit and try to hide what you said. It has nothing to do with agreeing with you. In basic It will be your bain as everyone can see what your about. You are about $$$ and care not about the good of eve. I have spoken with more then a few people who have seen my posts and agreed that what you did would dictate if they purchesed your product. I was amazed at the number of evemails yesterday letting me know they stood by me and were not going to purchase/repurchase from you. As is normal the product creator should never market his own product. He will always stab himself in the foot.
Mr Xofar Xofar Mining -N- Trans	Posted - 2006.10.30 18:05:00 - [62] Originally by: Charok Originally by: Mr Xofar So, you agree, good. QFT Originally by: Charok QFT Originally by: Mr Xofar ...Which was nothing short of trolling on your part, BTW... Wow you are as stupid as I thought. QFT means "Quote For Truth" Its a way of quoteing you so you can't change your wording in an edit and try to hide what you said. It has nothing to do with agreeing with you. In basic It will be your bain as everyone can see what your about. You are about $$$ and care not about the good of eve. I have spoken with more then a few people who have seen my posts and agreed that what you did would dictate if they purchesed your product. I was amazed at the number of evemails yesterday letting me know they stood by me and were not going to purchase/repurchase from you. As is normal the product creator should never market his own product. He will always stab himself in the foot. At the risk of allowing you to poison my thread further... And your too stupid to realize I was being a smart donkey, donkey. I know exactly what it means. Look, here's the deal. You punched, and I punched back. You attempted to dictate my actions, rather pointedly and rudely, IMO. Now, your on my thread harrassing me about it. All for what? Because you wanted to make it a point that making my program known was annoying you and at least one other person that I know of. Cry me a river. If you would have simply said "Xofar, give it a break, we know about the program." One line. One simple friggin line; I would have said, "Hey Charok no problem, I understand". Because, in all actuallity, if you'll recall, I DID notice that I was becoming a little aggressive in my "rabid sales pitch". The sad thing is, you jumped down my throat AFTER I acknowleged that. AFTER I acknowleged my poor behavior, AFTER I ATTEMPTED to get that thread back on track to the OP, and AFTER I had already directed folks who wanted to discuss my timer to my thread in my sig. But you are too stupid to realize that. You had to be all high and mighty and come rescue the masses from my "pop-ups". Your so funny too, with the QTF. You're like a child going "Ooooo, Mooooommy. Xofar said a baaaaad word!" If I did edit anything, it would be to drive home the point that you're a donkey. I don't fear your QTF. I've not said anything wrong, or inaccurate. Except maybe using ffs, my bad. Okay, I'm done. Mr Xofar's EVE Website Miner Timer Thread
nardaq Infinity Enterprises	Posted - 2006.10.31 02:13:00 - [63] Edited by: nardaq on 31/10/2006 02:14:15 where was a bumped topic a few weeks ago (i can't find it!) about a guy who wanted to make a plugin for his g15 keyboard by reading(READONLY) info from the eve client memory :D with semi aproval from the ccp devs. is this the way to link your ap the the strip miners whit supreme presision? :D
Mr Xofar Xofar Mining -N- Trans	Posted - 2006.10.31 04:41:00 - [64] Originally by: nardaq Edited by: nardaq on 31/10/2006 02:14:15 where was a bumped topic a few weeks ago (i can't find it!) about a guy who wanted to make a plugin for his g15 keyboard by reading(READONLY) info from the eve client memory :D with semi aproval from the ccp devs. is this the way to link your ap the the strip miners whit supreme presision? :D I've considered using key trapping to engage the timer when you click the F keys. But I haven't figured out how to do it without raising any flags. Maybe I'll consult with the EVE Launcher (sorry, no link atm) author, as he seems to have done it with out breaking any rules, afaik. Mr Xofar's EVE Website Miner Timer Thread
Jumpster	Posted - 2007.01.03 21:40:00 - [65] Any updates?
Dai007 Caldari Crabbs	Posted - 2007.01.04 05:39:00 - [66] Yay raise another dead topic!
Lady Kinla Dark Empire Fleet	Posted - 2007.01.04 09:11:00 - [67] It would be nice to know what happened to this thread as it looks like a nice app and was a nice thread till Charok came in here. So if the author of this little tool could please update us on the progress of this app it would be appreciated. --------------------------- Aimez- "oh ****, this is empire......." Thanks for the loot, and next time you go out to pirate, carry more tech 2 plz =)
BigWhale Gallente	Posted - 2007.01.05 08:24:00 - [68] Maybe he sold enough activation keys and now he's off to write a book 'Me and my first 1bil ISK' With a very long chapter on how to be efficient and NOT lose any ISK buy stopping your strippers 0.001 sec before the roid pops... :P
Mr Xofar Xofar Mining -N- Trans	Posted - 2007.01.08 02:47:00 - [69] Originally by: BigWhale Maybe he sold enough activation keys and now he's off to write a book 'Me and my first 1bil ISK' With a very long chapter on how to be efficient and NOT lose any ISK buy stopping your strippers 0.001 sec before the roid pops... :P Hey folks. Glad to see there is still interest in my app. No, Charok didn't run me off, I found another obsession recently http://secondlife.com . But I still pop in here every now and then to update training mostly. Glad to see instas gone, BTW. Anyway, I haven't made any updates to the program lately, but it is still very much functional and I haven't reveived any nasty grams about it being broken during the last 2 months. Please, by all means, if you wish to purchase a key, send me an eve-mail, or send me the isk for the group you want, and I'll deliver within 24 hours. I check EVE at least once a day. The prices are still the same and they are listed on my website. And no, I haven't made a billion isk. Wishfull thinking. Mr Xofar's EVE Website Miner Timer Thread
Dai007 Caldari Crabbs	Posted - 2007.01.08 04:35:00 - [70] Why make people pay?, all it is, is a timer. Cough reset armadillo
Mr Xofar Xofar Mining -N- Trans	Posted - 2007.01.08 14:28:00 - [71] Edited by: Mr Xofar on 08/01/2007 14:29:38 Originally by: Dai007 Why make people pay?, all it is, is a timer. Cough reset armadillo Because I am not a philanthropist. If that's all it is to you, and you can do without it, then don't buy it. Cough, what's an armadillo got to do with it? And how do you reset one? EDIT: Oh, and don't forget, players who buy keys can redistribute keys for whatever price they want. All the people I have sold keys to have made their money back. That's is, if they sell them. Not my fault if they choose to give them away. All I require is that they don't post the keys on a public medium, and to transfer keys P2P only. So, not only do I make isk, th eplayers who buy the timer do as well, on top of the benefit of the timer itself. It's win-win all around. Mr Xofar's EVE Website Miner Timer Thread
Scammin' Sam	Posted - 2007.01.08 18:41:00 - [72] This is a brilliant application, and everyone, everyone should pay their hard-earned money for it! Why, I wish I'd thought it up myself!
Lars Intarestum	Posted - 2007.01.08 21:30:00 - [73] And here I thought QFT meant "Quite Farking True."
Mr Xofar Xofar Mining -N- Trans	Posted - 2007.01.08 21:33:00 - [74] Originally by: Lars Intarestum And here I thought QFT meant "Quite Farking True." I prefer that deffinition myself, tbh. Mr Xofar's EVE Website Miner Timer Thread
Dai007 Caldari Crabbs	Posted - 2007.01.09 01:34:00 - [75] Edited by: Dai007 on 09/01/2007 01:31:13 Its just a timer, whoopie. I dont really care wether or not my lasers go longer than they should to mine the rock and im not that sad to sit there and watch the timer go down lol I hope you understand how the time trial works, and you can reset it and start the whole trial over again.
Mr Xofar Xofar Mining -N- Trans	Posted - 2007.01.09 01:58:00 - [76] Originally by: Dai007 Edited by: Dai007 on 09/01/2007 01:31:13 Its just a timer, whoopie. I dont really care wether or not my lasers go longer than they should to mine the rock and im not that sad to sit there and watch the timer go down lol I hope you understand how the time trial works, and you can reset it and start the whole trial over again. Again, if that's all it is to you, and it doesn't matter to you either way, then don't buy it. I'm not going to try to convince you otherwise. There are lots of other folks out there who find it plenty useful. And yes, I'm aware of how the ecryption software works. So is anyone else who has used the same encryption software. However, take a hundred random people from Eve, and you will likely find less than a handful who do. Hopefuly, most of that handfull will be remain ethical, and NOT reset the trial. Assuming that's the way it actually works anyway. Mr Xofar's EVE Website Miner Timer Thread
Ryysa North Face Force	Posted - 2007.01.09 03:52:00 - [77] Edited by: Ryysa on 09/01/2007 03:49:46 guys, if you have so much issue with paying, just run the thing through softice, it's so easy to ***** this, it's not funny :P If you are too dumb to use softice, well... sigh :D Charging money for a program that takes 1-2 days to make is pretty silly though imo... You seriously need some more experience programming, if you have no idea how to even setup windows-wide hotkeys. But hey, that's just my opinion. All about target jamming & The Logoffski guide
Mr Xofar Xofar Mining -N- Trans	Posted - 2007.01.09 05:27:00 - [78] Originally by: Ryysa Edited by: Ryysa on 09/01/2007 03:49:46 guys, if you have so much issue with paying, just run the thing through softice, it's so easy to *** this, it's not funny :P If you are too dumb to use softice, well... sigh :D Charging money for a program that takes 1-2 days to make is pretty silly though imo... You seriously need some more experience programming, if you have no idea how to even setup windows-wide hotkeys. But hey, that's just my opinion. Hey, it's a free world (mostly) and your entitled to your opinion. As for SoftICE, it can pretty much *** anything, as I understand it that is. I'm not a hacker, so I have no need for the program. Never said my program wasn't hack-proof either. As you know, nothing is. But if you're the type of bottom-feeding scum that hacks programs and distributes "free" copies, then you can eat the dirt I pick from my toe nails when I clip them. Have you ever smelled that stuff? It's quite disgusting. It smells like hacker. I have absolutley no respect for hackers. As far as needing more experience. I've been a hobbyist programmer/scripter for years. Key word is "hobbyist". I write damn good code. My programs ALWAYS do what they are designed to do. If I don't know how to do something, however, I find out. I learn what I need to make my programs. If I encounter the need to learn a new skill, then I research it, learn it, and then code it. Until now, I've had no need to implement windows-wide hotkeys in any of my programs. In fact, I still don't need to tbh, except for no other reason than to show you I can. But, I'm not that insecure, so I'll wait until I actually want to implement it. There was a player several posts ago that claimed he could build a timer that did the same thing as my Miner Timer in about the same amount of time you claim; 1-2 days. I challenged him to do it. I've not heard from him since. I'll extend you the same challenge to build a miner timer with the same features and functionality as mine in less than 3 days...starting, now. And hey, if you pull it off, kudos. I'm still not going to just give mine away. Mr Xofar's EVE Website Miner Timer Thread
Mr Xofar Xofar Mining -N- Trans	Posted - 2007.01.12 10:20:00 - [79] Just to give the folks who know the value of this program a heads up... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: --/--/2007 Verison: 1.0.14 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Features: 1 - I was going to release this as a Major Upgrade, due to the complexity of the feature, however, I decided I would release it simply as a minor feature upgrade as a token of my appreciation for those of you who find this tool useful and are willing to pay for it with you hard-earned isk. Thank you for your patronage. And now for the details... - Refining Estimates: Realtime estimates of how many minerals you can refine from the ore you have mined. Basically, see what you will refine from what you have mined during the current miining mission. - Refinery Efficiency: Record the efficiency of any Station. Important for getting accurate refining estimates. Record the Net Yield and commission charged at any station. FACTION STANDING DOES NOT MATTER, AS IT IS CALCULATED IN THE Commission OF THE STATION ALREADY! If you want to lower that number, yes, you need better faction standing. But there is no need for you to record it here. - Processing Skill Levels: Another factor that determines your refining efficiencies - Goal Setting: Want to know when enough is enough? Set a mineral goal, and watch your progress AS you mine. Bug: 1 - Tooltip on "Ore Type" was showing incorrect values for volumes. In particular, Scordite and Plagioclase. This was a formating error on my part, and in no way affected the actual value being calculated for timing. This has been corrected, however, and now all ore volume formats display using format "0.00" instead of "0.0" when you mouseover the combo box. Interface: 2 - *Removed 11 character limit on Mining Rate. Now you can enter the full precision of your current mining rate. I did this once, but apparently I didn't apply the changes somehow. :P - Added tooltip to Mining Rate that shows full precision of value so you can see the cut-off portion of the value when the length is too long for the text box. NOTE: 1 - For those of you who are curious about the Registry settings that are applied when the miner Timer exits, you can open your registry by going to the Start menu, click Run... and then type regedit. Then go to the registry key named... HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\VB and VBA Program Settings\MinerTimer_(version) There will likely be two folders, one named MinerTimer and one MinerTimer_(version). The Miner Timer does not remove these folders during un-install. You may delete them manually by right clicking them and select Delete, and then OK. Mr Xofar's EVE Website Miner Timer Thread
Zatch Gallente Inner Void	Posted - 2007.01.12 12:09:00 - [80] I'd like to throw in my 2 cents and say that Mr Xofar exemplifies the hobbyist programmer who enjoys their work, instead of looking at it as a "job" or as simply a means to an end. If you don't need to understand how to use global Windows hotkeys, you don't learn it, simple as that. I've been writing programs in VB for 3 years and I'm sure there are still some basic features that I don't know how to use, because quite simply I've never needed to use them. So stop ragging on Mr Xofar, if you don't like his program then don't pay for it. If on the other hand you feel the need to ***** it, you just jumped into the category of people who stand to benefit and actually appreciate his work, so why not pay for a key? ----- Creator of the standalone EVE Material Level Calculator MLCalc
Dai007 Caldari Crabbs	Posted - 2007.01.12 13:33:00 - [81] SoftIce lmao, what a n00b debugger. Get a real program
Mr Xofar Xofar Mining -N- Trans	Posted - 2007.01.12 13:58:00 - [82] Originally by: Zatch I'd like to throw in my 2 cents and say that Mr Xofar exemplifies the hobbyist programmer who enjoys their work, instead of looking at it as a "job" or as simply a means to an end. If you don't need to understand how to use global Windows hotkeys, you don't learn it, simple as that. I've been writing programs in VB for 3 years and I'm sure there are still some basic features that I don't know how to use, because quite simply I've never needed to use them. So stop ragging on Mr Xofar, if you don't like his program then don't pay for it. If on the other hand you feel the need to ***** it, you just jumped into the category of people who stand to benefit and actually appreciate his work, so why not pay for a key? Thanks Zatch. My sentiments exactly. I research/learn through necessity, not for just for the sake of knowing how to do something. That's a waste of time for a hobbyist, IMO. Not always, but usually. Mr Xofar's EVE Website Miner Timer Thread
Lars Intarestum	Posted - 2007.01.12 18:02:00 - [83] ***er. Correct term is *er. A *er **s the code so that he can use it while circumventing alot of stuff. A Hacker is someone who modifies code for a specific purpose. I'll admit not of them are benign but sometimes all you need for some code to work is a quick hack. Better than tearing down and redesigning code. ...Sorry, pet peeve. goes away now*
Mr Xofar Xofar Mining -N- Trans	Posted - 2007.01.12 19:12:00 - [84] Originally by: Lars Intarestum ***er. Correct term is *er. A *er **s the code so that he can use it while circumventing alot of stuff. A Hacker is someone who modifies code for a specific purpose. I'll admit not of them are benign but sometimes all you need for some code to work is a quick hack. Better than tearing down and redesigning code. ...Sorry, pet peeve. goes away now* Funny, I thought "*****ers" were from Florida. =P Thanks for the clarification though. Mr Xofar's EVE Website Miner Timer Thread
Lars Intarestum	Posted - 2007.01.14 17:54:00 - [85] *** is bleeped out? *!? "I'm sorry sir, there's a * in your hull... It'll cost 70000 isk to fix." "Dang, so expensive for a dang *." Bleeping ***... What's next, bleeping grass?
Captian Firelog	Posted - 2007.01.26 01:17:00 - [86] I've recieved (purchase I suppose) Miner Timer around a week ago,I absolutly love the program.Many times roids are around 7 minutes to kill off with a strip miner,Miner Timer saves all that precious time.It's right on the dot,when it says the roid is done and you shut off the lasers sure enough...the roid dissapears. As for the cost it was pretty much nothing,it seriously takes like no time to pay for this...i'm about a 2 month old player and 3-15million is a joke for me,especially for a good program.
Mr Xofar Xofar Mining -N- Trans	Posted - 2007.01.26 19:06:00 - [87] Hey, thanks Captain Firelog. Updating to version 1.0.14 now.... Mr Xofar's EVE Website Miner Timer Thread
Mr Xofar Xofar Mining -N- Trans	Posted - 2007.01.27 15:01:00 - [88] Problem fixed, updating now... Sorry folks, that was an easily overlooked mistake. I have the .ocx file installed on my system already, so it doesn;t throw up any flags to remind me when I test the install. I'll edit this post when the upload is complete... Mr Xofar's EVE Website Miner Timer Thread
Barrick Stormsworn Minmatar CAD Inc. Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2007.01.30 03:37:00 - [89] Looks good. I'm just curious how you handle updates. Is each minor revision free while major updates require further payment, or is it a once-for-all purchase where subsequent updates/revisions/upgrades are all free? I also contend your statement that EVEMon is just helpful while Miner Timer is profitable. Miner Timer helps us not waste EVE-money, while EVEMon helps us not waste RL-money :-P Your prices are pretty reasonable and I'm an efficiency ***** (I like to figure out exactly how much of each roid I need to mine to get the exact amount of minerals I need to build any ship, figuring in overlap where roids give multiple types of mins and such), so I'll probably pick this up. Just curious about the upgrades and such. Already run windowed mode for TSDisp :-P
Mr Xofar Xofar Mining -N- Trans	Posted - 2007.01.30 05:07:00 - [90] Edited by: Mr Xofar on 30/01/2007 05:06:58 Originally by: Barrick Stormsworn Looks good. I'm just curious how you handle updates. Is each minor revision free while major updates require further payment, or is it a once-for-all purchase where subsequent updates/revisions/upgrades are all free? It was my original intention to just what you suspect, minor free, major pay. But the latest "free revision" was anything but minor, however, no addtional payment is necessary. I suspect I'll continue that trend. It just seemed to me that the price I am asking is reasonable for whatever addtional upgrades I implement. Originally by: Barrick Stormsworn I also contend your statement that EVEMon is just helpful while Miner Timer is profitable. Miner Timer helps us not waste EVE-money, while EVEMon helps us not waste RL-money :-P Okay. Maybe my statements are a bit bloated, but they are after all, opinion. ;) Originally by: Barrick Stormsworn Your prices are pretty reasonable and I'm an efficiency ***** (I like to figure out exactly how much of each roid I need to mine to get the exact amount of minerals I need to build any ship, figuring in overlap where roids give multiple types of mins and such), so I'll probably pick this up. Just curious about the upgrades and such. With the latest update you can set mineral goals. Just enter the amount of mineral you wish to acquire from mining and monitor your progress via hard values, or graphical progress bar. I admit, the feasture itself is a bit clumsy atm, but I intend to improve on it. Any suggestions/requests in this area are welcome. Mr Xofar's EVE Website Miner Timer Thread
Mr Xofar The Devil's Mafia	Posted - 2007.02.15 06:14:00 - [91] 7 DAY SPECIAL I am offering 50% off each version of the Miner Timer for the next 7 days. (exp Feb, 23rd) Discounted prices are as follows... Group I : 1.25 mil isk Group II : 2.5 mil isk Group III: 7.5 mil isk -------------------------------------------- ----- Mr Xofar's EVE Website Miner Timer Thread
Shuyo Ryu	Posted - 2007.02.17 02:56:00 - [92] Edited by: Shuyo Ryu on 17/02/2007 02:52:29 Xofar, Have you seen any issues with the Miner Timer going too slowly? When I first start my timer I am right on, but after 2 or 3 cycles it is off by as much as 6-9 seconds on when my actual strip cycle ends. And the gap widens after each cycle. Any ideas? edit wrong toon posted. You may know me better as Frabba :-)
Mr Xofar The Devil's Mafia	Posted - 2007.02.17 13:22:00 - [93] Originally by: Shuyo Ryu Edited by: Shuyo Ryu on 17/02/2007 02:52:29 Xofar, Have you seen any issues with the Miner Timer going too slowly? When I first start my timer I am right on, but after 2 or 3 cycles it is off by as much as 6-9 seconds on when my actual strip cycle ends. And the gap widens after each cycle. Any ideas? edit wrong toon posted. You may know me better as Frabba :-) Are you mining several different types of ore? I have noticed this when I try to keep track more than 3 or 4 ore types. The problem is in the virtual refining. In an effort to limit the decay of the timer, I made it so the virtual refining only takes place every 10 seconds once the first timer is started. Maybe I'll just make it refine after the cycle or when the roid is depleted. That should cure this. There was one other player who brought this up to me, but his timer was just off for some reason. His timer appear to run 10-20 seconds too slow; even when mining one ore, on the first cycle. Not really sure what is going on with his. As for yours however, if you're not mining more than 3-4 ore types, let me know, if not, then I may just pull this version for a rework; and upload v(1.0.13). If there is anyone else having this problem please, let me know. And no, before the flamers light their torches and put on their hoods, the recent discount has nothing to do with this. ----- Mr Xofar's EVE Website Miner Timer Thread
Frabba	Posted - 2007.02.17 18:49:00 - [94] Well, it's actually happening on multiple versions, but the good news is it's only happening on one PC. I ran on may laptop and it worked fine.
Mr Xofar The Devil's Mafia	Posted - 2007.02.17 19:05:00 - [95] Originally by: Frabba Well, it's actually happening on multiple versions, but the good news is it's only happening on one PC. I ran on may laptop and it worked fine. Well that's good to know. What are the specs on the pc it was not working on? OS, RAM, CPU etc... I'll get with the other player and see if I can find out what the common factor is. ----- Mr Xofar's EVE Website Miner Timer Thread
Frabba	Posted - 2007.02.17 19:15:00 - [96] Edited by: Frabba on 17/02/2007 19:12:08 OS: XP pro Processor: Intel Core 2 6400 @ 2.13 Ghz (Dual Core) Ram: 2GB DDR2 Video Card: nVidia GeForce 7300 GT
Lady Kinla Dark Empire Fleet	Posted - 2007.02.17 23:05:00 - [97] The Miner Timer III includes groups 1 and 2 as well right? Just want to know before I buy! :) Looks like a very nice program. --------------------------- "Did i ask for anyone to copy this into their sig? No ****heads this is my text not yours!" Already disobeyed... W00t! I am no longer a !.
Mr Xofar The Devil's Mafia	Posted - 2007.02.17 23:06:00 - [98] Originally by: Frabba Edited by: Frabba on 17/02/2007 19:12:08 OS: XP pro Processor: Intel Core 2 6400 @ 2.13 Ghz (Dual Core) Ram: 2GB DDR2 Video Card: nVidia GeForce 7300 GT After finally getting the time to do a quick search about this, I'm finding a pattern developing around the dual core processor. The other guy had and AMD 64 3200 - Dual Core. I'm checking with some more sources to see if I can't narrow this down to the problem of new technology. Who'da thunk? "I'm sorry sir, but your CPU is just too fast and efficient for our application, please downgrade your computer so we can better support your needs." It's not really that strange of an ocurrence actually. If you try playing some of the older games on a computer faster that what it was desinged on, you'll experience some timing problems. Certain coding practes can avoid this though, and to be honest, I don't know why the timer would run slower on a faster system. But I will find out. ----- Mr Xofar's EVE Website Miner Timer Thread
Lady Kinla Dark Empire Fleet	Posted - 2007.02.17 23:08:00 - [99] Please answer me! :(( --------------------------- "Did i ask for anyone to copy this into their sig? No ****heads this is my text not yours!" Already disobeyed... W00t! I am no longer a !.
Mr Xofar The Devil's Mafia	Posted - 2007.02.17 23:09:00 - [100] Edited by: Mr Xofar on 17/02/2007 23:07:11 Originally by: Lady Kinla The Miner Timer III includes groups 1 and 2 as well right? Just want to know before I buy! :) Looks like a very nice program. That's correct. However, I do encourage all miners to "try it out before you buy it". That way I can address any unforseen issues before hand. Originally by: Lady Kinla Please answer me! :(( My goodness,gave me all of three minutes. ----- Mr Xofar's EVE Website Miner Timer Thread
Lady Kinla Dark Empire Fleet	Posted - 2007.02.17 23:12:00 - [101] Originally by: Mr Xofar Edited by: Mr Xofar on 17/02/2007 23:07:11 Originally by: Lady Kinla The Miner Timer III includes groups 1 and 2 as well right? Just want to know before I buy! :) Looks like a very nice program. That's correct. However, I do encourage all miners to "try it out before you buy it". That way I can address any unforseen issues before hand. Originally by: Lady Kinla Please answer me! :(( My goodness,gave me all of three minutes. That's me! Also I tried it out about 2 months ago and I wanted to try it out again now but it woudln't let me. So if I could get another temporary trial key that would be awesome. --------------------------- "Did i ask for anyone to copy this into their sig? No ****heads this is my text not yours!" Already disobeyed... W00t! I am no longer a !.
Mr Xofar The Devil's Mafia	Posted - 2007.02.17 23:17:00 - [102] Originally by: Lady Kinla Also I tried it out about 2 months ago and I wanted to try it out again now but it woudln't let me. So if I could get another temporary trial key that would be awesome. If I'm not mistaken I set the keys to unexpire on new version, so installing it should reset the trial. I'm not at home right now, so I can't confirm this atm. ----- Mr Xofar's EVE Website Miner Timer Thread
Lady Kinla Dark Empire Fleet	Posted - 2007.02.17 23:18:00 - [103] I only tried out group I last time. --------------------------- "Did i ask for anyone to copy this into their sig? No ****heads this is my text not yours!" Already disobeyed... W00t! I am no longer a !.
gurista wreck	Posted - 2007.02.17 23:19:00 - [104] Am I correct in thinking you charge more for a version that is used for the 'high' end roids, then the version for the 'low' end roids? Thats just silly. I also would have payed several times the price in donations if I found the program useful, which Im sure it is. But frankly, Im with those that think that your a bit of a money grubber. There's so many good utilities out there that eclipse yours and then some, that are completely free. And yet, because of their goodwill, have reaped rewards in the form of donations and alot of respect.
Gallente Citizen 1356 Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2007.02.17 23:19:00 - [105] Am I correct in thinking you charge more for a version that is used for the 'high' end roids, then the version for the 'low' end roids? Thats just silly. I also would have payed several times the price in donations if I found the program useful, which Im sure it is. But frankly, Im with those that think that your a bit of a money grubber. There's so many good utilities out there that eclipse yours and then some, that are completely free. And yet, because of their goodwill, have reaped rewards in the form of donations and alot of respect.
Mr Xofar The Devil's Mafia	Posted - 2007.02.17 23:20:00 - [106] Originally by: Lady Kinla I only tried out group I last time. That's okay, just install II or III if I isn't letting you try it, and you'll get a new trial period. They are encrypted with separate certificates. ----- Mr Xofar's EVE Website Miner Timer Thread
Lady Kinla Dark Empire Fleet	Posted - 2007.02.17 23:25:00 - [107] Originally by: gurista wreck Am I correct in thinking you charge more for a version that is used for the 'high' end roids, then the version for the 'low' end roids? Thats just silly. Because the versions for the high end roids include the low end roids as well! ;) --------------------------- "Did i ask for anyone to copy this into their sig? No ****heads this is my text not yours!" Already disobeyed... W00t! I am no longer a !.
Mr Xofar The Devil's Mafia	Posted - 2007.02.17 23:34:00 - [108] Edited by: Mr Xofar on 17/02/2007 23:32:30 Originally by: gurista wreck Am I correct in thinking you charge more for a version that is used for the 'high' end roids, then the version for the 'low' end roids? Thats just silly. I also would have payed several times the price in donations if I found the program useful, which Im sure it is. But frankly, Im with those that think that your a bit of a money grubber. There's so many good utilities out there that eclipse yours and then some, that are completely free. And yet, because of their goodwill, have reaped rewards in the form of donations and alot of respect. Higher end ore yields higher end iskies. (And because of what the fair Lady Kinla said ) Although, I don't recommend attempting to use the timer while solo mining in lowsec. It'll just make it that much easier for a pirate to pop you. Have backup. Eclipse mine? In what manner? Because they have more lines of code or funtions? Or because they actually pay you back, in cash; even moreso than mine? And yes, yes, I know, I've heard it all before. "For Christ's sake, Xofar, it's just a timer." Or like you, "Why don't you make the program that you spent weeks perfecting, out of game, not making any isk, so that others in game can profit from its usefuleness in this mega capitalistic environment?" Simply put, once again, I'm not a philanthropist. If you like it, buy it, if you don't, then don't. If you like it, but don't buy it out of spite, then that's okay too. It's your isk until you give it to me, and it's my program until you pay for it. And hey, once you pay for it, you can sell the key as many times as you want. But I'm sure you didn't take the time to figure that out. ----- Mr Xofar's EVE Website Miner Timer Thread
gurista wreck	Posted - 2007.02.18 02:11:00 - [109] Quote: Eclipse mine? In what manner? Because they have more lines of code or funtions? Or because they actually pay you back, in cash; even moreso than mine? ever heard of evemon? now THERES a program so damn fine that people really would pay for it if it wasn't already given away for free.
Gallente Citizen 1356 Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2007.02.18 02:11:00 - [110] Quote: Eclipse mine? In what manner? Because they have more lines of code or funtions? Or because they actually pay you back, in cash; even moreso than mine? ever heard of evemon? now THERES a program so damn fine that people really would pay for it if it wasn't already given away for free.
Mr Xofar The Devil's Mafia	Posted - 2007.02.18 03:39:00 - [111] Originally by: gurista wreck Quote: Eclipse mine? In what manner? Because they have more lines of code or funtions? Or because they actually pay you back, in cash; even moreso than mine? ever heard of evemon? now THERES a program so damn fine that people really would pay for it if it wasn't already given away for free. You're quite right, a damn fine program it is. Although I don't use it, I've downloaded it, toyed around with and it's an incredible program. And yes, they could charge for it, and people would still download and pay for it. They should be very proud of what they have accomplished. Does Evemon pay you back? Well, since you didn't pay for it, I'd say yes, it's an all around win for anyone who uses it. It's funny though, how Evemon is always the first one (usually the only one) to get thrown in my face as being the poster boy for incredibly useful programs that remain free. There are plenty of others. Like MiningBuddy, awesome program. The author was initially charging for it, but she was quick to remove the charges after recieveing a quick forum lashing by the likes of you. I still don't get it. This is a game of CAPITALISM. I will not bow to your philanthropic views. I am under no obligation to you or anyone else to just give away my program. I will not feel bad when people pay the isk I have rightfully, and reasonably charged for my VERY useful program. I will continue to charge my very reasonable prices, and people will continue to pay for my program. Why? Because it's worth it. And enjoy the hell out of people like you trying to sway my stance on this. How the hell people expect others to be so generous in such a brutal game of economics and warfare is beyond me. ----- Mr Xofar's EVE Website Miner Timer Thread
Meretricis Biohazard LLC	Posted - 2007.02.22 07:01:00 - [112] Edited by: Meretricis on 22/02/2007 07:02:12 Originally by: Mr Xofar I still don't get it. This is a game of CAPITALISM. I will not bow to your philanthropic views. I am under no obligation to you or anyone else to just give away my program. I will not feel bad when people pay the isk I have rightfully, and reasonably charged for my VERY useful program. Quite possibly the most intelligent bit of logic I have seen posted to these forums in a long, long time. What else is EVE other than to accumulate vast quantities of ISK? Sure there's PVP, and 0.0 sovereignty to be had, but at what end? The all-mighty ISK. Why do we mine? ISK; cheap, dirty, quick and easy. The quicker and easier, the better. I put together a .xls charting various low-ends and their market prices, and my maximum theoretical yield mining Scordite is in the neighborhood of 4.8 million ISK/hr. Every second my mining lasers are grinding away on an empty husk of an asteroid, some of that 4.8 million is trickling down my leg. Xofar's Miner Timer lets me get ever closer to that max yield. I've got pretty sweet refining skills, currently ~99.4% yield in Empire, so as well as mining, I'm also buying Plagioclase and Scordite in the region at prices that give me a 20% profit margin to refine and resell. But here's why mining your own ore is the true carebear money-maker: it's a 100% profit/time ratio as long as your lasers are on AND* bringing ore into your hold. Once the flow of ore stops, you're losing money. It may not matter to you, but it matters to me. That's why I bought the timer. It cost me all of gasp* 35 minutes of mining time; essentially free to me. Plus, I'm supporting an independent software author. (Mmmmm warm fuzzies) Flame the man all you want, it's no skin off my back. This tool he's providing at very reasonable rates (with resell rights, mind you) is wonderful. Don't want to use it? Fine: calculate it yourself...I did for a while. I know how to run the IG Calculator, I did it for weeks calculating ore/cycle ratios. This timer gives me 100% of the functionality that my brain provided, at 1% of the mental effort. At the end of a busy workday when I am finally able to play some video games, its very much appreciated. This tool helps me mine the cash I need to PVP in less time than before. It's already paid for itself as well. Find a free utility that does it better? Congrats, I'm still sticking with this one. Meretricis out.
Mr Xofar The Devil's Mafia	Posted - 2007.02.22 22:29:00 - [113] Originally by: Meretricis Every second my mining lasers are grinding away on an empty husk of an asteroid, some of that 4.8 million is trickling down my leg...But here's why mining your own ore is the true carebear money-maker: it's a 100% profit/time ratio as long as your lasers are on AND* bringing ore into your hold*. Once the flow of ore stops, you're losing money. I couldn't have said it better myself. Thanks Meretricis, and it's the whole point of why I built it to begin with. But the nay sayers will still be abound. However, yay sayers will say Yay! (Look out for 1.0.15 update coming soon: Bug fix concerning "Dark Ochre" and some tweaking under the hood.) Miner Timer
Mr Xofar The Devil's Mafia	Posted - 2007.02.23 15:27:00 - [114] Release Notes for v(1.0.15) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 02/23/2007 Verison: 1.0.15 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bugs: 1 (TEMPORARY FIX CONCERNING "DARK OCHRE") Thanks to Fullboat for bringing this one to my attention. - In CCP's infinite wisdom, they've named all the basic ore types with a single name and then built upon that name to produce the various grades. That is, with the exception of Ochre, err "Dark" Ochre. Dark Ochre is the basic ore type, and Obsidian and Onyx Ochre are the two higher grades of that Ore. Go figure. In MY infinite wisdom, I never put these facts together, and the result is a bug in the selection list which starts producing screwy ore volumes when you select any of the "Ochre" ores. I'm going to call this a temporary fix, since it's going to actually take a different approach code wise on how I deal with the basic ore types to retrieve the ore volume, and I'm not up for that just yet due to RL events. For the time being, I am changing "Dark Ochre" in the drop down list to "Ochre". This will likely cause a bit of cunfusion at first, and just when you get used to it, I'll change it back to what is is suppoed to be, "Dark Ochre". =P Miner Timer
Deimos Ares	Posted - 2007.02.25 14:53:00 - [115] Hey Xofar! Purchased and tested. Works exactly as advertised. Here are a couple requests for a future version. First, an area for me to input ore/mineral prices and let the timer track avg. isk/hour over the session. I haul my own ore back to the station now (n00b, I know) and it would be educational to me to see what that costs me. Second, a calculator that would take my mineral goals and calculate the most efficient way to mine to get those amounts of minerals, i.e. XX,XXX units of veldspar, XX,XXX units of pyroxeres, etc. It would be cool to have a timer linked to that goal as well, so I would know when to switch ore types. Other than that, a very useful tool, and I'm sure I'll appreciate it more in 5 days when I trade my Osprey for a Covetor.
Hranth Krotin	Posted - 2007.02.25 21:51:00 - [116] Edited by: Hranth Krotin on 25/02/2007 21:49:04 Edited by: Hranth Krotin on 25/02/2007 21:48:40 Just curious, are you planning on making a single version that can be used with all the ores, rather than three seperate ones? I am currently mining low-end ore, but I am getting ready to move down into regions with ores that are a bit more lucrative. Any chance of just shelling out a set fee for a version of the program with all the ores? Perhaps even at a little discount? Nevermind, read some previous posts and found an answer to my question.
Mr Xofar The Devil's Mafia	Posted - 2007.02.25 22:41:00 - [117] Originally by: Hranth Krotin Nevermind, read some previous posts and found an answer to my question. Okay, just to confirm though, the lower groups are inclusive of the higher groups Group I : Low end ores. Group II : Group I and Mid range ores. Group III: Group I, Group II and High end ores. Miner Timer
Mr Xofar The Devil's Mafia	Posted - 2007.03.09 05:31:00 - [118] Business has been pretty good with the timer, slow but steady. On average I get 1-3 requests for keys per week. Not a bad little supplement to my income. Especially when I'm not mining that week. I just wanted to thank all those who have purchased a key, and especially those kind enough to come here and post there thoughts and experiences using the timer. I plan to have another update in the coming weeks, so keep your eye on this thread. ---------------------------------------- Miner Timer
Frabba	Posted - 2007.03.12 16:42:00 - [119] Not sure if anyone's asked for this before, but I have a feature request. Allow me to set a price for minerals within the timer. Using this I can display, or even get a running counter of how much Isk value I have mined without having to do any math on my end. The fucntionality is already there for the most part, since you're already showing us how much in mineral quantity we've mined. Just need to add a display for mineral amount*user defined price = $$$ display or somesuch. And also Xofar, related to my earlier bug report. I've noticed EVEmon has a similar issue with time on my computer, so it's quite possible there some sort of timing issue within my pc.
Mr Xofar The Devil's Mafia	Posted - 2007.03.13 09:01:00 - [120] Originally by: Frabba Not sure if anyone's asked for this before, but I have a feature request. Allow me to set a price for minerals within the timer. Using this I can display, or even get a running counter of how much Isk value I have mined without having to do any math on my end. The fucntionality is already there for the most part, since you're already showing us how much in mineral quantity we've mined. Just need to add a display for mineral amount*user defined price = $$$ display or somesuch. And also Xofar, related to my earlier bug report. I've noticed EVEmon has a similar issue with time on my computer, so it's quite possible there some sort of timing issue within my pc. Yep, that will be on the next release. No idea yet as to when I'll get it done however. It will have a calculator and isk/min, isk/hour readout as well. I have a rather unique idea for the calculator; it'll be more than just your standard "How many minerals can I get from this much ore" type. For the timer. The app uses an array of vbTimer controls; which unfortunately isn't always consistent on ALL computers (it seems dual core cpu's experience this issue the most; but it's not limited to them). A better method for me to have used would have been to use the tick count of the computer itself. I may change that in the future (not a simple task), but for now the current conrtol will have to suffice. The only thing I can suggest atm is try it on a different computer if you have access to one. Miner Timer
Carp Hunter	Posted - 2007.03.13 15:45:00 - [121] Hi all, Just wanted to say what a great program.I love being able to get my efficiency way up there.Now when I calculate how much I can make per hr on paper,I get pretty damn close with this program. Didn't know how much I was losing till I started using my strip miners with a 3 minute cycle. Without this program I would of lost many 2+ minutes worth of cycle,minig nothing. Good Job!!!!Worth ever ISK. Carp
Frabba	Posted - 2007.03.13 16:12:00 - [122] Originally by: Mr Xofar Originally by: Frabba Not sure if anyone's asked for this before, but I have a feature request. Allow me to set a price for minerals within the timer. Using this I can display, or even get a running counter of how much Isk value I have mined without having to do any math on my end. The fucntionality is already there for the most part, since you're already showing us how much in mineral quantity we've mined. Just need to add a display for mineral amount*user defined price = $$$ display or somesuch. And also Xofar, related to my earlier bug report. I've noticed EVEmon has a similar issue with time on my computer, so it's quite possible there some sort of timing issue within my pc. Yep, that will be on the next release. No idea yet as to when I'll get it done however. It will have a calculator and isk/min, isk/hour readout as well. I have a rather unique idea for the calculator; it'll be more than just your standard "How many minerals can I get from this much ore" type. For the timer. The app uses an array of vbTimer controls; which unfortunately isn't always consistent on ALL computers (it seems dual core cpu's experience this issue the most; but it's not limited to them). A better method for me to have used would have been to use the tick count of the computer itself. I may change that in the future (not a simple task), but for now the current conrtol will have to suffice. The only thing I can suggest atm is try it on a different computer if you have access to one. You're the man, and I have several spare PCs to use as the timer ;-).
Mr Xofar The Devil's Mafia	Posted - 2007.03.13 17:57:00 - [123] Edited by: Mr Xofar on 13/03/2007 17:57:34 Originally by: Carp Hunter Hi all, Just wanted to say what a great program.I love being able to get my efficiency way up there.Now when I calculate how much I can make per hr on paper,I get pretty damn close with this program. Didn't know how much I was losing till I started using my strip miners with a 3 minute cycle. Without this program I would of lost many 2+ minutes worth of cycle,minig nothing. Good Job!!!!Worth ever ISK. Carp Thanks Carp, Glad you like it. Originally by: Carp Hunter You're the man, and I have several spare PCs to use as the timer ;-). Talk about metagaming. EDIT: Oh, and let me rephrase the "(not a simple task)", regarding changing the timing method. The method alone isn't all that complicted. But modifying the program to run under that method of timing would be a pain in the arse. Miner Timer
Frabba	Posted - 2007.03.13 23:11:00 - [124] Originally by: Mr Xofar Originally by: Frabba You're the man, and I have several spare PCs to use as the timer ;-). Talk about metagaming. You know how in Halaada's guide, he talks about the ideal minings setup being 3 accounts, barge, hauler, and command ship? Well.... no command ship yet but I'm working on it ;-)
Mr Xofar The Devil's Mafia	Posted - 2007.03.14 19:56:00 - [125] All, Please contact me via eve-mail for all questions regarding this application. If you are using this application and would like to post something constructive about it, please do so here. If you want to debate its usefullness with other players, you may also continue to do that here. Cheers. Out. Miner Timer
Darqion Zenix	Posted - 2007.03.15 15:34:00 - [126] im way to lazy to read all this.. please answer me this - if i buy one top end key (group 3), will i be able to use the program for ever and ever even with new versions etc. ? and i noticed on the site its only 15 mill for the group 3 one.. if that is for lifetime use, i dont see how people can complain about the price.. i have a TRIAL account character and i could come up with that in a not to long time
Mr Xofar The Devil's Mafia	Posted - 2007.03.15 19:30:00 - [127] Originally by: Darqion Zenix im way to lazy to read all this.. please answer me this - if i buy one top end key (group 3), will i be able to use the program for ever and ever even with new versions etc. ? and i noticed on the site its only 15 mill for the group 3 one.. if that is for lifetime use, i dont see how people can complain about the price.. i have a TRIAL account character and i could come up with that in a not to long time That is correct. AND you can sell copies of the key you purchased to other miners. Miner Timer
Ciuby	Posted - 2007.03.18 20:45:00 - [128] i have the same problem... my timer is about 10 seconds off track :( and i am mining only one type of ore... what can i do? :-s
Mr Xofar The Devil's Mafia	Posted - 2007.03.19 06:26:00 - [129] Originally by: Ciuby i have the same problem... my timer is about 10 seconds off track :( and i am mining only one type of ore... what can i do? :-s I'm going to make a change to it tonight that will hopefully remedy this. In the meantime, try it on a different computer if you have access to one. This has come up only since adding the virtual refining. Currently the minerals update every 10 seconds after the first timer is started. I'm going to change it so it only updates at the end of a cycle. That means fewer interuptions to the timer. Miner Timer
Mr Xofar The Devil's Mafia	Posted - 2007.03.19 15:01:00 - [130] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 03/19/2007 Verison: 1.2.0 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bugs: 1 - Timing issues have been creeping up on some computers where timing was off by than 6 seconds or more. This is likely due to the new virtual refining processes that occur during the timing. I now made it so the refining only occurs at the end of a cycle or when the asteroid is depleted. This reduces the number of timer interruptions, and should result in more accurate timing for the computers that were experiencing this problem. If you are still experiencing this problem please let me know either here or vie eve-mail. Miner Timer
Mr Xofar The Devil's Mafia	Posted - 2007.03.20 18:17:00 - [131] Update... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 03/20/2007 Verison: 1.2.1 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bugs: 1 (added option to disable virtual refining) - Although the timing issue was improved in v1.2.0, it wasn't completely taken care of. I've included an option to disable the Virtual Refining until I either fix it, or until I actually change the timing method. Keep in mind this is only affecting small minority of computers, and only arised since implementing the virtual refining. Disabling the refining process should help However, if it doesn't please let me know. Miner Timer
Mr Xofar The Devil's Mafia	Posted - 2007.03.22 04:56:00 - [132] I will be releasing v1.2.2 tonight. Thanks to Ciuby for helping me test this fix and finally getting the problem taken care of. If you are experiencing timing problems, you can now adjust the refresh rate of the timers to give your computer a chance to catch up to processes for the program. This fix has not been tested on the dual core CPU's that were experincing the same problem, but I am hopeful that it will remedy them as well. Unofficial release notes for v 1.2.2 Feature: 1 (added settings tab [set]) - You can now adjust the refresh rate of the timers to '1/16 Second', '1/4 Second', '1/2 Second' and '1 Second'. Slower refresh rates will result in more accurate timing on some computers that are experiencing timing problems with this program. Miner Timer
Mr Xofar The Devil's Mafia	Posted - 2007.03.23 13:38:00 - [133] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 03/23/2007 Verison: 1.2.2 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Feature: 1 - Since adding the option to disable the refining in an effort to correct timing problems - without having to rewrite the entire timing method - I added a feature that allows you to set the timer refresh rate. Slow down the Timer Refresh Rate to 1/8, 1/4, 1/2 or 1 second to allow your computer enough time between the timers firing to catch up with all the processes of dedcuting ore, refining minerals, etc. This is a confirmed fix for at least one person who was willing to help test the solution. Thanks to Ciuby's diligence, this problem now seems to have been remedied. Miner Timer v(1.2.2) Works best with EVE Launcher by Grismar.
Garek Selwonk Gallente Antares Frontier The Fifth Race	Posted - 2007.03.25 13:25:00 - [134] Hi, Im having trouble using the Timer, it used to work but now where i start it up i get this error: Run-time error '13': Type Mismatch Iv tried reinstalling the timer but it has no effect. Thanks for any help in advance. Garek
Garek Selwonk Gallente Antares Frontier The Fifth Race	Posted - 2007.03.25 13:52:00 - [135] After setting up and running the Timer on a different Windows User, it starts up fine but every time i actually start the timer count-down, the timer doesnt start (the digits dont change) and when i stop it, i get that Error but this time it says: Error Number: 13 Descriptions: Type Mismatch Line: 260 i guess theres some error in the coding on line 260 ^^ again, thanks for any help!
Mr Xofar The Devil's Mafia	Posted - 2007.03.25 17:14:00 - [136] I'm on it. Thanks -------- Miner Timer v(1.2.2) Works best with EVE Launcher by Grismar.
Garek Selwonk Gallente Antares Frontier The Fifth Race	Posted - 2007.03.25 17:40:00 - [137] Great! Ready and Waiting to mine! --Also could i change my key order to a group II one :D Ill send the isk now thanks Garek
Mr Xofar The Devil's Mafia	Posted - 2007.03.25 17:48:00 - [138] Originally by: Garek Selwonk Great! Ready and Waiting to mine! --Also could i change my key order to a group II one :D Ill send the isk now thanks Garek No problem, whatever works for you. Update is complete. Sorry for any inconvinience. Let me know if you have any further problems. -------- Miner Timer v(1.2.3) Works best with EVE Launcher by Grismar.
Garek Selwonk Gallente Antares Frontier The Fifth Race	Posted - 2007.03.25 20:57:00 - [139] Thanks for the Update! and the key! loving this program :D Again, i would ask for a ISK Profit calculator when the ores are refined. When i used the timer today, i also noticed it coming slightly out of sync, by about 5-10seconds each cycle! Ill try turning off the virual refining & changing refresh rate. Just for info, My PC is running on XP, 2gis of ram, has 2x 3.0gz processors and a go 6600 card. My CPU's arn't Dual-Core but there is to...:S Its a alienware area-51 m7700 if any1 knows any more about these. Anyway, looking forward to updates and thanks again for this great program. I think 2.5mil & 5mil are fine prices :D not sure on 15mil yet, im not upto them mining standards yet! So yer....thanks!
Mr Xofar The Devil's Mafia	Posted - 2007.03.25 21:44:00 - [140] Originally by: Garek Selwonk Thanks for the Update! and the key! loving this program :D Again, i would ask for a ISK Profit calculator when the ores are refined. When i used the timer today, i also noticed it coming slightly out of sync, by about 5-10seconds each cycle! Ill try turning off the virual refining & changing refresh rate. Just for info, My PC is running on XP, 2gis of ram, has 2x 3.0gz processors and a go 6600 card. My CPU's arn't Dual-Core but there is to...:S Its a alienware area-51 m7700 if any1 knows any more about these. Anyway, looking forward to updates and thanks again for this great program. I think 2.5mil & 5mil are fine prices :D not sure on 15mil yet, im not upto them mining standards yet! So yer....thanks! I'm glad you like it Garek. And tell me if changing the refresh rate helps you. I can see however, that I am going to have to eventually rewrite the timing method. The vbTimer control just isn't reliable. -------- Miner Timer v(1.2.3) Works best with EVE Launcher by Grismar.
Mr Xofar The Devil's Mafia	Posted - 2007.03.26 13:30:00 - [141] The latest and greatest... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 03/26/2007 Verison: 1.2.4 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Enhancements: 1 - Enabled button click sounds for Timer Settings tab controls. Interface: 2 - Can longer change the refresh rate while any laser timer is active. Note: Refresh rate DOES NOT affect the JetCan timers. They are on a 1 sec refresh by default, and that cannot be changed by the user. When active, JetCan timers have a negligable effect on the laser timing processes. - Added 'Refined' column on Yield tab, [yld]. Features: 1 - Introducing "The Fastest Ore Calculator in EVE" - aka 'The F.Ore.C.E.': =P - Use 'The F.Ore.C.E.' to find the true value of the ore in your region. - Mineral yield reference table. Mouse over the ore types to view the base mineral yield for each ore type and grade. - Use the Market column to enter the fair market value of the minerals in your region. (Default values are based on "Halada's Mining Guide") - See just how much isk trickles out of your wallet every minute your lasers are mining on an empty roid. Or, quickly determine which is the best ore to mine in your region. - Click on the ore type to lock the selection, double click to unlock. This is useful if you want confirm the values as displayed by 'The F.Ore.C.E.' - This is a work in progress and will continue to improve your mining efficiency and experience as this feature evolves. -------- Miner Timer v(1.2.4) Works best with EVE Launcher by Grismar.
Mr Xofar The Devil's Mafia	Posted - 2007.03.28 06:27:00 - [142] What you can expect in version 1.2.5 coming soon... - "yld/min" check box on 'The F.Ore.C.E.' calculator. Quickly determine which ore is the best source of any mineral by seeing how many minerals of a specific type per minute you can mine and refine from that ore type. This is especially useful for those misleading ores like Omber vs. Kernite for Isogen(Omber wins), and Plagioclase vs. Scordite for Pyerite(Scordite wins). - Include or ignore Station Refinery Efficiency and Skills in determining isk per minute/hour. - Show current isk/minute/hour of what has been mined so far since mining op started. -------- Miner Timer v(1.2.4) Works best with EVE Launcher by Grismar.
Stingg Ray Minmatar	Posted - 2007.03.28 11:29:00 - [143] I'm kinda new to mining - especially in the barge... I'm loving this tool - well worth the few ISK in return. Very prompt and efficient response from Mr Xofar, and the tool is constantly improving. If you're considering getting this, download a trial and give it a bash. /me is one very happy customer.
Ciuby Gallente University of Caille	Posted - 2007.03.30 03:55:00 - [144] wow.. i see that this software has improved since i downloaded it :) good job, xofar... and i'm happy i could help resolve that problem with the timer (i mine like a crazy barge now :))
Darqion Zenix	Posted - 2007.03.30 10:53:00 - [145] ill be getting one in a few days i guess.. can almost get in a retriever hehe
Brad Stone Caldari	Posted - 2007.03.30 11:24:00 - [146] Edited by: Brad Stone on 30/03/2007 11:28:59 Just stumbled across this, looks interesting. Just a nitpick.. Your website says "However, please bare with me as my web building skills are not nearly as proficient as my programming skills" Heh, I have no wish to get naked with you, but I will "please BEAR with you ( Hint ) Also a typo on the timer page itself... "the pricing and *Resale Policies are exlpained below." One question, can you set the cycle duration? is that an input field? I run my defence alt guy in a command ship with the mining forman mindlink in his head and mining laser optimazation gang mod fitted, so the cycle time is about 140 seconds ish (can't check the exact time just now) _________________________________________________________ Senior EVEMon developer. Try EVEMon today! It's delicious!
Ciuby Gallente University of Caille	Posted - 2007.03.30 12:26:00 - [147] you can change it :)
Brad Stone Caldari	Posted - 2007.03.30 12:38:00 - [148] cool, I'll give it a try. _________________________________________________________ Senior EVEMon developer. Try EVEMon today! It's delicious!
Mr Xofar The Devil's Mafia	Posted - 2007.03.30 13:24:00 - [149] Originally by: Brad Stone Edited by: Brad Stone on 30/03/2007 11:28:59 Just stumbled across this, looks interesting. Just a nitpick.. Your website says "However, please bare with me as my web building skills are not nearly as proficient as my programming skills" Heh, I have no wish to get naked with you, but I will "please BEAR with you ( Hint ) Also a typo on the timer page itself... "the pricing and Resale Policies are exlpained below." snip* Their's alwasy a english proffessor arounde to corect some one's wrighting. lol, thanks for pointing out the errors, I'll be sure to fix them. And as answered, yes you can change them. I'm considering adding another feature that allows you indicate the Mining Foreman bonus. Still trying to find out when the bonus actually applies to the mining rate. During cycle, after cycle, or after shutting down and restarting lasers. If anyone knows this answer for sure, it would be a big help. -------- Miner Timer v(1.2.4) Works best with EVE Launcher by Grismar.
Brad Stone Caldari	Posted - 2007.04.01 16:55:00 - [150] heh, thanks. One thing I noiced is that t would be nice to have a bit more precision on the cycle time. With a command ship in system running the mining laser gang mod, my cycle time is 142.2 seconds. Over time, that causes the timer to drift out of sync by 0.2 seconds a cycle as I can only set the time to an integer value. Looks like a very nice program - Isk will be forthcoming. _________________________________________________________ Senior EVEMon developer. Try EVEMon today! It's delicious!
Mr Xofar The Devil's Mafia	Posted - 2007.04.01 17:11:00 - [151] Originally by: Brad Stone heh, thanks. One thing I noiced is that t would be nice to have a bit more precision on the cycle time. With a command ship in system running the mining laser gang mod, my cycle time is 142.2 seconds. Over time, that causes the timer to drift out of sync by 0.2 seconds a cycle as I can only set the time to an integer value. Looks like a very nice program - Isk will be forthcoming. Okay, I'll fix that. On a side note: If anyone is trying to contact me via eve-mail, I'll not be able to respond for a while. My vid card took a crap on me, and I'll be switching over to my mobo vid card tonight. I didn't have a vga cable handy, and had to wait until I found one at work. Hopefully I'll be getting a new card in the next few days. If they are too expensive out here (Bahrain), I'll wait until I get back to the States next month. If you have paid me any isk for Timer keys, please BEAR with me while I confirm payment via other channels. (i.e. getting a relative to log on for me and checking wallet.) -------- Miner Timer v(1.2.4) Works best with EVE Launcher by Grismar.
Tonto Auri Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2007.04.01 22:13:00 - [152] Can MiniTimer have more unique and descriptive classname/windowname than ThunderRT6FormDC/Form1 ? -- .
Mr Xofar The Devil's Mafia	Posted - 2007.04.01 23:44:00 - [153] Originally by: Tonto Auri Edited by: Tonto Auri on 01/04/2007 22:47:12 Can MiniTimer have more unique and descriptive classname/windowname than ThunderRT6FormDC/Form1 ? Also for MiniTimer, may be You can add ability to select cycle length with radio (60/180 sec) with short "click" sound at end of each cycle? (I know that cycle length can be 30/60/180/500/600 sec and may vary depend on skills, but I think 60/180 selection enough for simple version) Hey Tonto, thanks for using the Mini Timer. I may do a little updating for that soon. Not my biggest project, but I do like to improve on it from time to time. I'll take a look at your suggestions. Thanks. Not sure where you're getting the classname/window name, though. The version I distribute on my site has the form name set to frmMiniTimer, and has no class . The Mini Timer program IS open source, and as such may result in different versions by other programmers; although I can't verify that anyone has released any variations. That being said, I will only support the one I distribute on my site. -------- Miner Timer v(1.2.4) Works best with EVE Launcher by Grismar.
Tonto Auri Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2007.04.03 19:13:00 - [154] Originally by: Mr Xofar Hey Tonto, thanks for using the Mini Timer. I may do a little updating for that soon. Not my biggest project, but I do like to improve on it from time to time. I'll take a look at your suggestions. Thanks. Not sure where you're getting the classname/window name, though. The version I distribute on my site has the form name set to frmMiniTimer, and has no class . The Mini Timer program IS open source, and as such may result in different versions by other programmers; although I can't verify that anyone has released any variations. That being said, I will only support the one I distribute on my site. EDIT: Oh by the way, my mobo vid card seems to have enough juice to run EVE. It's practically in Pong-mode however. But it is enough for me to check my wallet and send keys, plus answer questions if you catch me online. I use WinSpy (simple little proggy that show me classname/windowname of standard windows controls derived from window) to tweak my desktop by making toolwindows pinned at specific positions (and staying on screen if need when I switching between desktops). There are bunch of programs with same functionality including one built-in into nnCron. I saw than You use VB for Your project. If You can support me with link to free VB compiler, it is a good chance that I may spend some time to tweaking MiniTime for my needs. -- .
Mr Xofar The Devil's Mafia	Posted - 2007.04.03 20:43:00 - [155] Edited by: Mr Xofar on 03/04/2007 20:40:48 Oh, I see. Since the border style is set to none, there is no visible title bar, which normally displays the Caption value. The title bar you see is actually a vb Shape and Label. But, I'll change the form Caption to "Mini Timer" anyway. I don't have a link to free VB at present, but I'll see if I can't scare one up. You may have about the same luck finding it as me. I use a licensed version of VB6.0, so I don't have the link you are asking for handy. -------- Miner Timer v(1.2.4) Works best with EVE Launcher by Grismar.
Brad Stone Caldari	Posted - 2007.04.05 08:40:00 - [156] If you want to move to .net then Visual studio express is free from microsoft. There's an edition for vb, c#, j++ and j# We use the c# and c++ versions for evemon development and it's a very very nice development platform. http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/express/ _________________________________________________________ Senior EVEMon developer. Try EVEMon today! It's delicious!
Mr Xofar The Devil's Mafia	Posted - 2007.04.05 11:12:00 - [157] Originally by: Brad Stone If you want to move to .net then Visual studio express is free from microsoft. There's an edition for vb, c#, j++ and j# We use the c# and c++ versions for evemon development and it's a very very nice development platform. http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/express/ Thanks Brad, I'll download it sometime and check it out. -------- Miner Timer v(1.2.4) Works best with EVE Launcher by Grismar.
Mr Xofar The Devil's Mafia	Posted - 2007.04.08 09:13:00 - [158] <ANOUNCEMENT> The tour at my current duty station (US Navy) is coming to a close, and I'll not be able to play the game for a few months. Probably at least 3 months. I've not yet decided if I am going to make the Miner Timer program completely free, or if I am going to post the names of the folks who have purchased the program on my website so miners can go to them to purchase in my absense. I don't even know If I am going to keep the account active for the three months at this point. As it stands, all sales are still final, and if you are thinking of purchasing and want to wait until I figure out what I am going to do, then that's understandable. If you are upset with me for accepting your money knowing that I may be making the program free, well, that's understandable as well. Sorry for the inconvenience. The recent failing of my Radeon Video card has made it painful for me to log on in "pong-mode" so I haven't been on much in the past week. So, I apologize to those who paid and I did not remit a key to immediately. AS far as support for the program goes, I'll of course not be available during my downtime, but I will clear my mailbox before I transfer to my next duty station so I can address concerns when I reactivate, or whatever. If someone else decides to build another timer based on the functionality of this one, then kudos, I encourage that. And no, I don't intend to release the source code. Sorry. </ANOUNCEMENT> -------- Miner Timer v(1.2.4) Works best with EVE Launcher by Grismar.
Ciuby Gallente University of Caille	Posted - 2007.04.11 05:02:00 - [159] will you be online another time? please convo me, i have something to discuss with you thanks
Mr Xofar The Devil's Mafia	Posted - 2007.04.11 10:18:00 - [160] Originally by: Ciuby will you be online another time? please convo me, i have something to discuss with you thanks Go ahead and eve-mail me with what you have in mind. I'll take a gander at it... -------- Miner Timer v(1.2.4) Works best with EVE Launcher by Grismar.
Ciuby Gallente University of Caille	Posted - 2007.04.12 12:48:00 - [161] check your mail :)
emepror Gallente gallant heavy shipyards	Posted - 2007.04.12 16:04:00 - [162] when you sold the original codes didnt you say you werent goning to sell them yourself or have i read the post wrong ?
Ciuby Gallente University of Caille	Posted - 2007.04.12 18:29:00 - [163] me again :) another question sent to you.. hope it's not too late :D
Mr Xofar The Devil's Mafia	Posted - 2007.04.15 21:18:00 - [164] Hi folks, For those of you who have graciously paid your hard earned isk for my little program. Thank you. Your patronage has been an honor, and a testament to the usefulness of the program. With that said, I would like to announce that the Miner Timer is now free. Anyone may download Group III and it will run unlimited with no key. I will be leaving EVE for several months, and will not be available for program support during that time. Thanks again, and fly safe, mine safe, and for God's sake, have fun. It's just a game. Out. -------- Miner Timer v(1.2.4) Works best with EVE Launcher by Grismar.
King Jareth	Posted - 2007.05.03 04:43:00 - [165] I noticed that timer III is now for free. God bless you Mr Xofar. Ive purchased your timer I and II, and let me tell you, its honestly worth every ISK. I was going to purchase the Timer III, but I see that it is now free. Unfortunatly, I have tried the timer III, but it crashes and is unusable for some reason. Everytime I set the asteroid type and I activate the timer count, it gives a runtime error and will not work for some reason. The timer I and timer II still works fine. Has anyone else had this problem? Thanks.
emepror Gallente Flying Spaghetti Monsterz FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.04 01:43:00 - [166] me personaly believe it was a waste of 6mill and scine its now free do i get my isk back? my opinion is this program is utter crap cause no one uses it exept for the people in this post (100 at max, what about the other 169,900 people with accounts?)

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