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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.02.02 07:50:04 -
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It seems players will remain unreasonable on this topic until they understand the difference between copy paste multiboxing and mixed role multiboxing. Until then, they remain in their cave of unibox sanctity. When players are ready to discuss the reality of things, I'm all ears, not that it's any player's business who is behind what character(s).
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Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc Brave Collective
1595
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Posted - 2015.02.02 08:10:16 -
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Your change would make using the multiple training queue ad vitam eternam mandatory for every player.
Your change would kill the server
Your change would devalue even more the influence of a new player in a big fight.
Your change is bad.
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Gorongo Frostfyr
101
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Posted - 2015.02.02 08:13:00 -
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Kenrailae wrote:Answer is easy. Pay to win. How do you lose when you can just buy 15 more guys in incursus to follow you around into every plex, and automatically follow your primaries, rep you, whatev's.
Well, sounds like the game is already pay to win? Since it is possible to achieve that scenario with some effort. I mean, multiboxing/account is already deeply entangled with many parts of the game, why not make it a real feature? |

Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
29652
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Posted - 2015.02.02 08:13:13 -
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Server load is covered by the fact that each of your AI drone characters is on an active account. The load is paid for.
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
29652
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Posted - 2015.02.02 08:23:51 -
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Altrue wrote:Your change would make using the multiple training queue ad vitam eternam mandatory for every player.
Your change would kill the server
Your change would devalue even more the influence of a new player in a big fight.
Your change is bad. -Training queues are already a bit of an addiction in EVE, how does this change relate to that addiction?
-Server load is covered by the fact that each of your AI drone characters is on an active account. The load is paid for.
-"but new players" is simply false, and the opposite of this change. With it, new players can improve their utility and effectiveness several times faster with multiple characters from the earliest time possible.
From a game design perspective, this concept is win based on the player motivation of wanting power. The general idea of a type of service like games is giving paying customers what they want. This change gives customers as much of what they want as they care to pay for.
This is one of those fundamental, big ticket changes that would make EVE wildly popular, for once. It's also more of an acknowledgement of what is, than some type of catastrophe, because multiple accounts are already offered to players by CCP and are playable.
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Samillian
Angry Mustellid The Periphery
693
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Posted - 2015.02.02 08:49:11 -
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I can understand you are loath to lose a massive advantage, that is understandable and considering the time and treasure a top of the line multi-broadcast set up requires certainly very frustrating.
The fact is that while most multibox (hands up I have the trade alt up and running while I'm online to keep an eye on prices and to put on invention and manufacturing jobs in my spare moments not to mention cyno alts) what you propose will be making multiple accounts virtually mandatory if a player wants to take part in almost any worthwhile activity.
Keep banging the drum, its your right as a paying customer but I reiterate that should a proposal like this ever be adopted and it becomes even more necessary to have multiple accounts just to casually PvP (I hate booster alts to, how neolithic of me) then it will be time to walk away from EvE.
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Omnathious Deninard
Novis Initiis
2705
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Posted - 2015.02.02 09:23:19 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:FireFrenzy wrote:http://www.freelang.net/expressions/no.php Even that isn't enough. We need to break out the fictional languages.
Draconic - thric
Elvish - n'uma
Dwarven - Nai, Na, Nuf
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Kenrailae
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
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Posted - 2015.02.02 11:38:52 -
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Gorongo Frostfyr wrote:Kenrailae wrote:Answer is easy. Pay to win. How do you lose when you can just buy 15 more guys in incursus to follow you around into every plex, and automatically follow your primaries, rep you, whatev's. Well, sounds like the game is already pay to win? Since it is possible to achieve that scenario with some effort. I mean, multiboxing/account is already deeply entangled with many parts of the game, why not make it a real feature?
Because the current system still requires players to be responsible for their stuff, for their ships, and their ability to manage them. However much someone else wants to decry it as unfair, the only 'fair' is one account/machine. After that it can ALL be argued as pay to win, even the buying and selling of plex. So one account per machine/person, and no plex. All in game and only in game. That is the only 'fair.' But Eve isn't fair, and has never claimed to be fair. Eve is about choice and consequence and opportunity. You are free to choose to have 15 incursus alts. You are also responsible for flying each one of them. ISboxer removed this, which is why it was deemed in breach of the ToS. You are free to multi-box however many characters you want, but you have to control them all, not expect the computer to, or play only one and expect the others to follow your lead. An 'AI alt' would not require you to fly that ship. That is why this is not a thing, and can't be a thing. Personally I'd be happy if CCP banned every account even suspected of botting/input broadcasting. But that hurts the bottom line too much, so I understand why they don't. When I multi-box, I fly both/all my ships. I give each of them each command. I am still 'flying' each one, as much as 'approach FC and follow primaries' goes.
The Law is a point of View
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Alundil
Isogen 5
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Posted - 2015.02.02 15:43:21 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:I don't know how to say no in enough languages. Here
http://users.elite.net/runner/jennifers/no.htm
I'm right behind you
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
29658
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Posted - 2015.02.02 16:31:26 -
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Samillian wrote:I can understand you are loath to lose a massive advantage, that is understandable and considering the time and treasure a top of the line multi-broadcast set up requires certainly very frustrating.
The fact is that while most multibox (hands up I have the trade alt up and running while I'm online to keep an eye on prices and to put on invention and manufacturing jobs in my spare moments not to mention cyno alts) what you propose will be making multiple accounts virtually mandatory if a player wants to take part in almost any worthwhile activity.
Keep banging the drum, its your right as a paying customer but I reiterate that should a proposal like this ever be adopted and it becomes even more necessary to have multiple accounts just to casually PvP (I hate booster alts to, how neolithic of me) then it will be time to walk away from EvE. strength in numbers is already a requirement and it's not your business who is in control of a character. you also are not entitled to casual pvp.
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Gorongo Frostfyr
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Posted - 2015.02.02 17:32:10 -
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Personally, it would rather take the option that every individual has only one account with one character - but that's a romanticisation of something that will never happen, because people will cry and yell like they already do in this thread. |

Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
29658
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Posted - 2015.02.02 20:46:50 -
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One-client-only is still playable, for being able to log in with characters in different locations one after the other.
I disagree with only allowing one account per player, though. I don't know why you'd want to limit the success of a product that way.
There's also differences between running separate clients versus fleeting characters as NPC AI drone ships. The first is the limited roles, and lack of fine control such as covops cloaks and cyno characters. You also miss out on a set of eyes in some other location, or the freedom to send one of your characters off to scout. So. NPC AI drone ships are not without drawbacks.
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Phaade
Perimeter Defense Systems Templis CALSF
300
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Posted - 2015.02.03 03:46:15 -
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This idea is utterly laughable.
Let's punish people who don't pay CCP extra money.....
more than they already do.....
Idiocy at it's finest. |

Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries VOID Intergalactic Forces
191
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Posted - 2015.02.03 04:19:51 -
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yes under the condition they turn red as a npc pirate and can be attacked
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Gorongo Frostfyr
101
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Posted - 2015.02.03 04:57:22 -
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Rain6637 wrote:I disagree with only allowing one account per player, though. I don't know why you'd want to limit the success of a product that way. For EVE like it is right now, you're right - that's why I said it is a romanticisation, it doesn't fit the design or the reality of the game.
Rain6637 wrote:There's also differences between running separate clients versus fleeting characters as NPC AI drone ships. The first is the limited roles, and lack of fine control such as covops cloaks and cyno characters. You also miss out on a set of eyes in some other location, or the freedom to send one of your characters off to scout. So. NPC AI drone ships are not without drawbacks. Sadly, people ignore this as an option - I tried to mention that briefly in the opening post - and prefer to post destructive generalisations like:
Phaade wrote:This idea is utterly laughable.
Let's punish people who don't pay CCP extra money.....
more than they already do.....
Idiocy at it's finest.
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Mazzara
Gale Force Contractors
24
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Posted - 2015.02.03 18:27:01 -
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Gorongo Frostfyr wrote:One thing I loved in the X series was the ability to control NPC and send them around the universe. While this would be maybe too much for EVE, a limited kind of having the possibility to get some assistance in your space acitivies could be fun and useful. Since the game favours multi-boxing/accounting, why not take it to another step? Reasons for the suggestions are: -could be another reason to undock (could also be the opposite) -more *active* population in space -the ability to make some good use of the 2 other character slots per account -give people with weaker computers the possibility to enjoy a little bit of multi-boxing
Of course this feature could never be released in one go, since it needs careful balance, economy and serverwise. Possible restrictions/limitations: -number of wingmen -bound to PLEX (it is a pilot license) like character training -associated skills like "brainlinking" -damage/mining/remote rep/cap output is reduced for wingmen
This idea is meant to be very rough, since I'm not a designing/balance expert. But I would like to hear what other people think about the idea and the possiblities it could offer.
Why not? I mean they already allow people to have a edge with multi-boxing. I mean all or none
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Mazzara
Gale Force Contractors
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Posted - 2015.02.03 18:31:44 -
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Phaade wrote:This idea is utterly laughable.
Let's punish people who don't pay CCP extra money.....
more than they already do.....
Idiocy at it's finest.
why? you already do? how players worked this game is that your at a disadvantage if you only have one account, SB fleets of actual different players are at a disadvantage compaired to ISboxers.
I mean personally multi-boxing of any kind is dumb.
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Mazzara
Gale Force Contractors
24
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Posted - 2015.02.03 18:32:41 -
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Gorongo Frostfyr wrote:Personally, it would rather take the option that every individual has only one account with one character - but that's a romanticisation of something that will never happen, because people will cry and yell like they already do in this thread.
I agree 100%
No matter how much you scrub, how hot of water you use,-áyou can't wash shame!
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Hopelesshobo
Tactical Nuclear Penguin's
411
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Posted - 2015.02.03 21:56:06 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Arden Elenduil wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:FireFrenzy wrote:http://www.freelang.net/expressions/no.php Even that isn't enough. We need to break out the fictional languages. Anyone here know how to say "no" in Klingon? Ghobe. Still need more.
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2015.02.03 23:17:13 -
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