He was using mixed Heavy , medium and light drones. You where unlucky got wrecked by its heavy drone and a med drone.
Maybe he was using omnidirectional tracking link? Well if you have the killmail and see what was at mid slots maybe we can see if had omni links.

All your KB shows mwd frigs as losses. Unless this is an alt, I might assume you had a shield buffer on that AB fit with a large sig bloom. Maybe during your orbit you had very small transversal against that Preator AND the Hammerhead, which got the wrecking hits. Something you don't see often... I wouldn't feel too bad about it. Unless you are not being completely honest and were just sitting still.

The log shows everything grazing, including your own 150mm (DD?), up until you got scram on a kiting fit (that had heavy, med, lights out?). I dunno, bro, I'm gonna say you derped and weren't moving. I happens. All the things had high tracking hit chance, again even your 150's, after the tackle attempt. A nice chunk too. Why don't you l;ink your fit?

If med drones were statisticaly similar to 180mm ACs what would be the point in taking the disadvantages of the weapon system?

Just ask the master.

Being able to switch weapon sizes in the middle of a fight, immune to every variety of EWAR, tracking independent of your hull's motion, no fitting requirements or cap use...

Yeah, there are a couple reasons.

mmm, these are very tasty tears that remind me so much of a time when Hurricanes and Rifters were found everywhere.

I don't think drone are OP. If you look at my Killboard it is clear I do use them, but I also use every other weapon system too because they are all good. Maybe not at every role, but they are all good.

They are mostly good depending on situations, but drones are almost always great AND offer immense versatility with immunity to all ewar and zero fitting or cap costs.

That is some grade A Caldari centric why ain't my missile supreme anymore and frog drones are better whaaaa whinage right there.

And you even dared to pretend that only drone boats can afford to fit multiple active repping modules, or oversized afterburners.

Great thread \m/ O_o \m/

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=27174717

Bring mwd, long point, pin target down and make drones stop-n-chase

Use your web, kill drones

Not rocket science

That is some grade A Caldari centric why ain't my missile supreme anymore and frog drones are better whaaaa whinage right there.

And you even dared to pretend that only drone boats can afford to fit multiple active repping modules, or oversized afterburners.

Great thread \m/ O_o \m/

Are we taking turns? Does CCP just roll a dice or something?

Why is it Caldari centric? I'm not RP. Is it because I mentioned missiles? Should I mention turrets lel?

I haven't mentioned a thing about reppers.

I only dared to mention the complete lack of needing half a thousand PG to fit guns allowing effortless cramming of oversized ABs and tank.

Must be some grade A drone bias bullocks in the air messing with your interpretation.

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=27174717

Bring mwd, long point, pin target down and make drones stop-n-chase

Use your web, kill drones

Not rocket science

1)We killed a great fitted and piloted Worm without any losses. 2)Our ships together don't equal the cost of that Worm. 3)shut up, you weren't there. I pulled initial point on him and solo'd his drones. The rest pretty much whored, with the blaster Comet nearly dying to the rocket fire.

Bro... You can jamm drones..

they also require bandwidth as fitting, which is considered in the balance of the rest of the ship.

1)We killed a great fitted and piloted Worm without any losses. 2)Our ships together don't equal the cost of that Worm. 3)shut up, you weren't there. I pulled initial point on him and solo'd his drones. The rest pretty much whored, with the blaster Comet nearly dying to the rocket fire. On top of that, it is not my only Worm kill, just the most recent. List another frig that does close combat rails better than a Comet to fight this way. gtfo

::edit:: I don't mean to downplay the help of my brothers. Das did not have anything near small enough to fit in the novice, so he fit an Incursus up as fast as he could and managed to come in while I was working on the last 2 hob's. I was 7% structure on a buffer armor fit, and Grahmm would have lost his Comet were it not for the Incursus deeps, even though he lost it later to another Worm pilot 20min later who abandoned augmented hob's as we landed (cynabal, rax). I was gonna contract them over, but I later lost them in the cargo on a scattered messy warp-in. You should not down-play how effective Worm's are now. That is a legit kill won by skill, not a bum rush kill - Worm's are too tanky for that. It was a 5 minute engagement easy.

1)We killed a great fitted and piloted Worm without any losses. 2)Our ships together don't equal the cost of that Worm. 3)shut up, you weren't there. I pulled initial point on him and solo'd his drones. The rest pretty much whored, with the blaster Comet nearly dying to the rocket fire. On top of that, it is not my only Worm kill, just the most recent. List another frig that does close combat rails better than a Comet to fight this way. gtfo

::edit:: I don't mean to downplay the help of my brothers. Das did not have anything near small enough to fit in the novice, so he fit an Incursus up as fast as he could and managed to come in while I was working on the last 2 hob's. I was 7% structure on a buffer armor fit, and Grahmm would have lost his Comet were it not for the Incursus deeps, even though he lost it later to another Worm pilot 20min later who abandoned augmented hob's as we landed (cynabal, rax). I was gonna contract them over, but I later lost them in the cargo on a scattered messy warp-in. You should not down-play how effective Worm's are now. That is a legit kill won by skill, not a bum rush kill - Worm's are too tanky for that. It was a 5 minute engagement easy.

You were in the most powerful sub pirate faction frig that coincidentally fields almost a full flight of drones.

I should charge for this class..

Why?
Galmil already provide the market with the best non-faction T1 frig anyway.

Galmil already provide the market with the best non-faction T1 frig anyway.

My god you're getting tiresome.

Just explain to me how comes all the times i saw you in black rise in a tristan you ran from me flying solo in clearly inferior boats such as breachers, executioners, tormentors, atrons, slashers.

Every. Single. Time.

Just explain to me how comes all the times i saw you in black rise in a tristan

They are mostly good depending on situations, but drones are almost always great AND offer immense versatility with immunity to all ewar and zero fitting or cap costs.

Drones were altered to also shoot while approaching. SO earlier, drones around you would trail to far behind and then miss you constantly even though they had low transversal against you. THese days, drones got 4+km optimal and falloff, meaning that if you're in a tight 500m orbit, you're always in rage for drones, and they easily can track you.

It's not just the meds, heavies - esp. praetors/zerkers - hit AB frigs quite easily for massive damage.

1)We killed a great fitted Worm without any losses

is it?

tristan. kite no highs fit. brawl armor fit. scram kite armor fit. neut brawl fit. any single one of these is sub par compared to other frigs in their best kite / brawl /scram kite fits. The only oddball being the neut fit, which is unique to the tristan but gimmicky at best and so easily countered.

pick a kestrel. You can snipe fit, kite fit it, brawl fit it, you can go shield buffer, you can go 200mm plate, you cna go 400 mm plate, you can active tank it, you can slap 2 webs, you can slap a web +td

pick a firetail. dual prop. SAAR AC with 2 webs. SAAR ac with web and td. Shield AC. Arty 2 webs.

pick a breacher. kite fit? check. brawl fit? geee, so many possibilities. 1 masb, 2 masb, masb + saar.

slasher? dual prop. 2 webs. web td. nos or neut or launcher?

atron. rail kite. rail scram kite. shield fit. armor fit. repper fit. null fit. mwd fit. ab fit.

hookbill. 400mm rockets. 200 mm + repper rockets, 2 webs td. kite missile fit. TDs or damps? sniper fit. shield fits out of its ass.

torm? active or buffer? beams or pulses? EANM or 1 more HS? Please do get in a AB beam torm and picture the look of dismay on the kite tristan guy that thought he had you when you load aurora and proceed to murder his shield buffer up to out of heated point range while his drones tickle you

You basically have to kill the Tristan's drones in a 1v1.

Where are the people complaining about my Incursus pushing 300 dps while a same priced Tristan can get... 200 while being severely undertanked?

Anywhere beyond 3km.

Drones die and they do not have even close DPS to the 'real weapon' equivalents, unless we are talking about hard-bonused ships like a Gila. Also, they are a lot easier to tank than any other weapon system, just because their DPS mark is a lot lower than other weapons. You have a choice in every fight vs. a drone boat - in most of the cases, I know I'll out DPS it and go straight for it; in other cases, I'll have to kill the drones. All they do is add variety to a wonderful game, and there's no issue about it. Where are the people complaining about my Incursus pushing 300 dps while a same priced Tristan can get... 200 while being severely undertanked?

This thread is too gold to not join in!



> rocket, ab, brawling worm. I lol'd.


And for the main topic of this thread:

Yes drones are hilariously op. So the solution? Wait for the nerf and until then, fly drone boats. Kinda obvious...

Also I like how people complain about the application of Hammerheads on a Vexor.
I guess you guys have not experienced DNC Gilas yet...

200 dps tristan? is it blaster fit can you share this fit?
If I'm not mistaken x2 DDA tristan(no guns) get around 150 dps with hobs, 125mm rail tristan get around 180 dps and have decent enough tank.

Hi,

I would like to discuss the Medium Drones damage application on smaller targets, especially frigates.
Earlier today I tackled a Rail Vexor (which has NO bonuses to the tracking of drones).
This is some of the damage he did to me ; I was not webbed and had no MWD fitted so I was basically on the perfect position to avoid a larger weapon system damage. However, since it's drones, they were having almost no issues to track me.

http://i.imgur.com/8BRUnge.png

Even 180s autocannons (which I believe have the best tracking of all med sized turrets) would have trouble hitting an ABing frigate orbiting close. Now why, on top of having somewhat selectable damage, excellent projection, capless usage, why are drones being able to hit a small target like that so efficiently ?

Just to make it clear ; I don't mind the loss of my ship, it was a cheap tackle frigate, it's meant to die anyways (and we killed the Vexor, yay!). This is not me ranting cause I lost a ship. This is a legitimate question about game balance.

The way the weapon systems works in this game, as a small frigate you can avoid most of the damage from a bigger hull by outspeed his tracking, or in the case of heavy missiles by just keeping your speed up and your signature radius low.

I don't get why, on an unwebbed, ABing fast frigate, medium drones coming from an unbonused (in terms of tracking) hull, should hit that well their target. You already have light scout drones to do this job. Why would med drones can do the same job as light drones ? Imagine i wasn't fighting a Vexor but a VNI which has bonuses to drones tracking ? AND if I was webbed on top of that ? Then I would assume med drones would just hit me almost perfectly.
For any other weapon system, to hit a frigate orbiting close, you'd have to have the target dual webbed and/or having target painters for missiles, but why would you bother if you can just launch drones ?

What are you thoughts about this ?

Drones have the disadvantage of being destroyable, and also have to mwd to target and have travel time, etc. if med drones were statisticaly similar to 180mm ACs what would be the point in taking the disadvantages of the weapon system?

You don't think it's odd to use bandwidth as a balancing mechanic when bandwidth is only a measure of how many drones can be used and nothing else?

I mean, you brick tank drone ships as your CPU/PG permits, then bandwidth gives you extra leeway and allows you to put stuff that deals damage practically free of charge. (c) Triple tanking Tristans.

Or fit utility into what is essentially 2-4 utility highs (c) Every Drone ship that just goes with neuts instead of guns.

You can't speed tank them unless you simply outrun them - has been demonstrated on the previous page where it was shown that moving away from them is actually worse than standing still. Which is contradictory to the strategy you would take against the actual ship that launched them. Is it not obvious that in this case, drone ships have all flanks covered?

I've said in another thread that the Ishtar needs a full heavy flight bay reduction.

The same as when you fight sn Ishtar you fight the Worm. You figure out what they are fielding and what their prop is. A mwd worm will obviously have a smaller tank and possibly no highs. Thank goodness for geno's that make predictions a failure. That being said, it was a blind engagement. I managed to pull range, saw the flight of t2 Hobs, and (through great advice from a better pilot, who convinced me their drones were killable) decided to attempt to hold point while my acolytes hit my target and while I tried to clear drones.

To say I had the paper to scissors with a kite fit shows how much you know about fighting drone ships. Your strategy primarily should be against the drones, secondly against the ship. So, unless I'm wrong (as you seem to believe), drones are often quite faster than an orbiting MWD Comet. This is what I mean by saying force drones to stop and chase. They will mwd to you, hit you once and begin their normal orbit speed and then repeat. This is also why I was in hull.

::edited out pretentious bs::

I baited a mission running Gila into aggressing me. And had my AB fit armor tanked Retribution with ~70% thermal resist promptly nuked by hammerhead II's. Which are supposed to have the lowest tracking of the four. Hardly even time for a "WTF."

Here is the thing: be honest about the feeling you get when you strap on a Worm or Gila.

You know the ship is OP. You know how much it costs. You know that if you pilot it wrong, you will likely be killed by something that costs 5% of your ship. You know that everyone else will cheer when you die.

The bottom line is that OP faction ships are an admission of degeneracy and an enduring badge of shame. All who fly them must deal with the knowledge that they are ridiculous people, acting without honour.

The only exception to this is entire fleets of faction ships, where large numbers of hard core pilots go out to deliberately attract a blob and die in a hail of fire. This has much honour. I have never seen it, but if it did happen, it would have much honour.

You can do what you like in Eve, for relatively little real world cost, but you cannot hide your true character. Cowards who hunt bears in snaked Garmurs will always be bear murdering cowards. The pen, having wit, moves on.

Real men hull tank in derptrons, and that is all there is to it.

Here is the thing: be honest about the feeling you get when you strap on a Worm or Gila.

You know the ship is OP. You know how much it costs. You know that if you pilot it wrong, you will likely be killed by something that costs 5% of your ship. You know that everyone else will cheer when you die.

The bottom line is that OP faction ships are an admission of degeneracy and an enduring badge of shame. All who fly them must deal with the knowledge that they are ridiculous people, acting without honour.

The only exception to this is entire fleets of faction ships, where large numbers of hard core pilots go out to deliberately attract a blob and die in a hail of fire. This has much honour. I have never seen it, but if it did happen, it would have much honour.

You can do what you like in Eve, for relatively little real world cost, but you cannot hide your true character. Cowards who hunt bears in snaked Garmurs will always be bear murdering cowards. The pen, having wit, moves on.

Real men hull tank in derptrons, and that is all there is to it.