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Hemoroids The Scope Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2015.02.06 01:04:18 - [1] - Quote On several occasions I have both been invited and have invited other players to duel. I don't see the point of having a duel if the opponents fleet or corp members can just jump in and help with armor and shield reppers. I really enjoy the the game but pvp play seems to be open for improvement. Is there any way to ensure a fair duel or do I just need to adapt my style of play?
Godfrey Silvarna Arctic Light Inc. Arctic Light 252	Posted - 2015.02.06 01:08:09 - [2] - Quote There are no fair fights in EVE. Get better intel on you target so you can anticipate and counter the tricks he is pulling.
Paranoid Loyd 3764	Posted - 2015.02.06 01:13:02 - [3] - Quote Honor has no place in Eve. Always plan accordingly. "Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata Fix the Prospect!!!
Ptraci 3 R Corporation The Irukandji. 1906	Posted - 2015.02.06 01:31:15 - [4] - Quote The only fair fight in EVE is the one you win. Then there are just the other fights you weren't fast enough to get away from. Art imitating life.
Vincent Athena V.I.C.E. 3125	Posted - 2015.02.06 02:20:49 - [5] - Quote Godfrey Silvarna wrote: There are no fair fights in EVE. Get better intel on you target so you can anticipate and counter the tricks he is pulling. How does one gather intel on whether or not someone has had neutral RR during a previous duel? Is there a right click "get info" on that someplace? Seriously, eve is about making decisions. Making decisions requires information. If there is no reasonable way to get that information, then maybe game mechanics need to be changed to make the information available, or make it unnecessary. Know a Frozen fan? Check this out Frozen fanfiction
admiral root Red Galaxy 2280	Posted - 2015.02.06 02:28:44 - [6] - Quote People go into duels without a booster and friendly RR? No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff \| No-one hates you, none of us care enough for that. Sabriz for CSM
Ralph King-Griffin Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 8764	Posted - 2015.02.06 02:32:14 - [7] - Quote admiral root wrote: People go into duels without a booster and friendly RR? they do when they're not aware of yours "I'm also quite confident that you are laughing and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers." =]I[=
admiral root Red Galaxy 2280	Posted - 2015.02.06 02:47:13 - [8] - Quote Ralph King-Griffin wrote: admiral root wrote: People go into duels without a booster and friendly RR? they do when they're not aware of yours I guess that makes them ugly and stupid. No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff \| No-one hates you, none of us care enough for that. Sabriz for CSM
Ned Thomas Hellbound Turkeys Alliance of Abandoned Cybernetic Rejects 775	Posted - 2015.02.06 02:59:04 - [9] - Quote A fair fight in Eve is accepting that you are "N" and your opponent is always capable of bringing "N+1" so you should strive to always be able to field "N+2" but be ready for them to put out "N+3" so just for safe measure you should keep "N+10" ready and always be able to laugh when "N+200" appears on grid. Vote Sabriz!
Paranoid Loyd 3773	Posted - 2015.02.06 02:59:20 - [10] - Quote Vincent Athena wrote: Godfrey Silvarna wrote: There are no fair fights in EVE. Get better intel on you target so you can anticipate and counter the tricks he is pulling. How does one gather intel on whether or not someone has had neutral RR during a previous duel? Is there a right click "get info" on that someplace? Seriously, eve is about making decisions. Making decisions requires information. If there is no reasonable way to get that information, then maybe game mechanics need to be changed to make the information available, or make it unnecessary. The information is available through observation. I know who all the baiters are in my area and I know who their logi are. Eve is also about patience and knowing your enemy so that good decisions can be made. There is no need to make the info available in some arbitrary way. Anyone who goes into a fight without knowing their enemy is asking for an unpleasant surprise. "Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata Fix the Prospect!!!

Serene Repose 2173	Posted - 2015.02.06 03:06:26 - [11] - Quote Honor has as much a place here as anywhere else. The same proportion of those without honor are here as anywhere else. Those who would have themselves unchallenged, or unjudged for lack of it say the same things here as they do everywhere else. And, yes, they are taken as seriously by serious-minded and capable people here, as they are...anywhere else. TYVM. Have a nice day. AND, if you see a certain paranoid individual in a system with you, don't stop and wave. Treason never prospers. What is the reason? Why, if it prospers, none dare call it "treason."
Cancel Align NOW Greater Order Of Destruction Mercenary Coalition 418	Posted - 2015.02.06 03:18:05 - [12] - Quote Vincent Athena wrote: Godfrey Silvarna wrote: There are no fair fights in EVE. Get better intel on you target so you can anticipate and counter the tricks he is pulling. How does one gather intel on whether or not someone has had neutral RR during a previous duel? Is there a right click "get info" on that someplace? Seriously, eve is about making decisions. Making decisions requires information. If there is no reasonable way to get that information, then maybe game mechanics need to be changed to make the information available, or make it unnecessary. Define reasonable. I believe recording log in log out times of people who frequent my local is reasonable. I believe d-scanning gates when some one new appears in local is reasonable. I believe checking corporate history of everyone in local is reasonable. I believe checking killboard history of everyone who appears in local is reasonable.
Barbara Nichole Cryogenic Consultancy 677	Posted - 2015.02.06 03:35:59 - [13] - Quote dueling already exists. drop a can and trust to your opponents sense of honor to uphold the terms of the duel. Much more realistic then a forced dueling mechanism. -á-á- remove the cloaked from local; free intel is the real problem, not-á "afk" cloaking-á- [IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/consultsig.jpg[/IMG]
Scipio Artelius The Vendunari End of Life 32423	Posted - 2015.02.06 03:37:17 - [14] - Quote Vincent Athena wrote: How does one gather intel on whether or not someone has had neutral RR during a previous duel? Is there a right click "get info" on that someplace? Seriously, eve is about making decisions. Making decisions requires information. If there is no reasonable way to get that information, then maybe game mechanics need to be changed to make the information available, or make it unnecessary. Just sit on grid and watch. That's all you need to do to know whether they have reps, who they are, whether they dock and undock in bigger ships, etc. Even yellow box them during a dual and see how they tank. Look at their ship and see what their guns are, what's their speed, etc. Lots of intel can be gathered just by sitting on grid and watching. Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
Shailagh WTB Somalians 72	Posted - 2015.02.06 05:04:46 - [15] - Quote Use the broken OP ecm jammas on an alt to jam their logi when they go suspect for repping a player with limited engaument? It does suck for solo players, makes ya have alts but its cool. If they arent smart you can prob blow the logi too.
Raiz Nhell Veni Vidi Vici Reloaded 397	Posted - 2015.02.06 05:07:18 - [16] - Quote A fair fight can go either way... That is no way to go into a fight... You really need to stack the deck in your favour... There is no such thing as a fair fight... If your fighting fair you have automatically put yourself at a disadvantage.
Harrison Tato Yamato Holdings 287	Posted - 2015.02.06 05:30:47 - [17] - Quote Why even accept duels? Just go to lowsec, somebody will fight you without asking permission first.
Shailagh WTB Somalians 72	Posted - 2015.02.06 05:48:39 - [18] - Quote Harrison Tato wrote: Why even accept duels? Just go to lowsec, somebody will fight you without asking permission first. 2 days ago was stalking some war targets killing time asking anyone thar undocked to duel. A freaking covetor accepted, then continued to warp to the belt. He must have had a bookmark cuz when i followed him to belt he was real far away. I then afterburn like 50k over to him, then blow him and pod for over 65mill. Dude said "uhhh whoops ment to click no. This aint fair" Lol seriously i get a lot of kills just duel spamming. If they cant read the "u mat die, ARE YOU SURE? U COULD DIE U KNOE, BE careful! U super duper sure u wanna duel??" And click yes/hit enter, game on, i win. Loser
Another Posting Alt Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 40	Posted - 2015.02.06 05:49:20 - [19] - Quote I hear that the dishonest meanies can't shoot your ship in Hello Kitty Online. Maybe try there.
embrel BamBam Inc. Outlanders United 217	Posted - 2015.02.06 07:31:06 - [20] - Quote Cancel Align NOW wrote: Vincent Athena wrote: Godfrey Silvarna wrote: There are no fair fights in EVE. Get better intel on you target so you can anticipate and counter the tricks he is pulling. How does one gather intel on whether or not someone has had neutral RR during a previous duel? Is there a right click "get info" on that someplace? Seriously, eve is about making decisions. Making decisions requires information. If there is no reasonable way to get that information, then maybe game mechanics need to be changed to make the information available, or make it unnecessary. Define reasonable. I believe recording log in log out times of people who frequent my local is reasonable. I believe d-scanning gates when some one new appears in local is reasonable. I believe checking corporate history of everyone in local is reasonable. I believe checking killboard history of everyone who appears in local is reasonable. Ah, that's why you've never left Jita?

Jazminum Conehead The Guardian Knights AXIOS. 18	Posted - 2015.02.06 07:47:02 - [21] - Quote He is right though. Information is power and advantage. Nothing is, 'unfair'. Edit: And people will exploit any kind of power in many inventive and possibly sadistic ways that are allowed here.
Ima Wreckyou The Conference Elite CODE. 779	Posted - 2015.02.06 07:58:57 - [22] - Quote The problem here is that CCP called the mechanic "duel" in the first place. The name is broken, not the game mechanic. the Code ALWAYS wins
Sequester Risalo Significant Others 52	Posted - 2015.02.06 07:59:16 - [23] - Quote embrel wrote: Cancel Align NOW wrote: Define reasonable. I believe recording log in log out times of people who frequent my local is reasonable. I believe d-scanning gates when some one new appears in local is reasonable. I believe checking corporate history of everyone in local is reasonable. I believe checking killboard history of everyone who appears in local is reasonable. Ah, that's why you've never left Jita? I think he would have ahard time checking the corporate history and killboards for everyone in Jita all the time. This advice should be valid everywhere but the tradehubs.
Cancel Align NOW Greater Order Of Destruction Mercenary Coalition 418	Posted - 2015.02.06 08:23:45 - [24] - Quote embrel wrote: Ah, that's why you've never left Jita? Yes it is taking longer than I had anticipated to build up my database on this particular system.
Serene Repose 2173	Posted - 2015.02.06 13:17:16 - [25] - Quote embrel wrote: Cancel Align NOW wrote: Vincent Athena wrote: Godfrey Silvarna wrote: There are no fair fights in EVE. Get better intel on you target so you can anticipate and counter the tricks he is pulling. How does one gather intel on whether or not someone has had neutral RR during a previous duel? Is there a right click "get info" on that someplace? Seriously, eve is about making decisions. Making decisions requires information. If there is no reasonable way to get that information, then maybe game mechanics need to be changed to make the information available, or make it unnecessary. Define reasonable. I believe recording log in log out times of people who frequent my local is reasonable. I believe d-scanning gates when some one new appears in local is reasonable. I believe checking corporate history of everyone in local is reasonable. I believe checking killboard history of everyone who appears in local is reasonable. Ah, that's why you've never left Jita? If you were doing that in Jita yeah, you'd STILL be there. Treason never prospers. What is the reason? Why, if it prospers, none dare call it "treason."
Haedonism Bot Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE. 1650	Posted - 2015.02.06 13:43:14 - [26] - Quote Barbara Nichole wrote: dueling already exists. drop a can and trust to your opponents sense of honor to uphold the terms of the duel. Much more realistic then a forced dueling mechanism. I think you may have failed to notice something in the devblogs like 2 years ago or so. www.everevolutioanryfront.blogspot.com Vote Sabriz Adoudel and Tora Bushido for CSMX. Keep the Evil in EVE!
RomeStar BOVRIL bOREers Mining CO-OP Brave Collective 564	Posted - 2015.02.06 17:17:31 - [27] - Quote Ned Thomas wrote: A fair fight in Eve is accepting that you are "N" and your opponent is always capable of bringing "N+1" so you should strive to always be able to field "N+2" but be ready for them to put out "N+3" so just for safe measure you should keep "N+10" ready and always be able to laugh when "N+200" appears on grid. That my friend is EVE in a nutshell!!!!!! I couldn't have said it any better myself +1 Signatured removed, CCP Phantom
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 6190	Posted - 2015.02.06 23:15:57 - [28] - Quote Vincent Athena wrote: Godfrey Silvarna wrote: There are no fair fights in EVE. Get better intel on you target so you can anticipate and counter the tricks he is pulling. How does one gather intel on whether or not someone has had neutral RR during a previous duel? Is there a right click "get info" on that someplace? Seriously, eve is about making decisions. Making decisions requires information. If there is no reasonable way to get that information, then maybe game mechanics need to be changed to make the information available, or make it unnecessary. There you go. And therefore, without that information, the correct decision to make is not to duel. End of story, content does not happen because "anything to be leet". It should be possible that when someone challenges you to a duel, you should be able to pull up information on how many corpies they got in the system. One might imagine that the challenger should have this information, but a challenger has time on his hands and can do this before he makes the challenge. The Challengee, taking the same "right click on everybody in local" measure is going to look stupid taking a long time to respond. There is simply not enough time for someone who is not a full time duelist - meaning that we are just one hair away from "area play" anyway. Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Paranoid Loyd 3781	Posted - 2015.02.06 23:24:37 - [29] - Quote Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: The Challengee, taking the same "right click on everybody in local" measure is going to look stupid taking a long time to respond. There is simply not enough time for someone who is not a full time duelist - meaning that we are just one hair away from "area play" anyway. Open info window on who is proposing the duel, click on corp logo, mark corp as contact, see results in local. Takes two seconds to find out which corpies are in system. "Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata Fix the Prospect!!!
SpoonRECKLESS Radio Roamers Retirement Eve Radio Alliance 197	Posted - 2015.02.06 23:46:36 - [30] - Quote Hemoroids wrote: On several occasions I have both been invited and have invited other players to duel. I don't see the point of having a duel if the opponents fleet or corp members can just jump in and help with armor and shield reppers. I really enjoy the the game but pvp play seems to be open for improvement. Is there any way to ensure a fair duel or do I just need to adapt my style of play? Always fit jams. Approved by the jammiest jammer of them all. Blue



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