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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
6190
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Posted - 2015.02.07 00:34:46 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:The Challengee, taking the same "right click on everybody in local" measure is going to look stupid taking a long time to respond.
There is simply not enough time for someone who is not a full time duelist - meaning that we are just one hair away from "area play" anyway. Open info window on who is proposing the duel, click on corp logo, mark corp as contact, see results in local. Takes two seconds to find out which corpies are in system.
I take it your additional knowledge comes from being... paranoid?
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
3804
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Posted - 2015.02.07 00:59:33 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:The problem here is that CCP called the mechanic "duel" in the first place. The name is broken, not the game mechanic. Please feel free to start a thread in Features & Ideas Discussion with a proposal to change the name to a more apropriate one. Like 'Brawl'...
ISD Ezwal
Vice Admiral
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
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admiral root
Red Galaxy
2284
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Posted - 2015.02.07 01:04:09 -
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ISD Ezwal wrote: change the name to a more apropriate one. Like 'Brawl'...
Oooh, walking in stations content: bar fights. \o/
No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff | No-one hates you, none of us care enough for that.
Sabriz for CSM
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Concord Guy's Cousin
State War Academy
Caldari State
580
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Posted - 2015.02.07 03:29:39 -
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admiral root wrote:ISD Ezwal wrote: change the name to a more apropriate one. Like 'Brawl'... Oooh, walking in stations content: bar fights. \o/ With blackjack and hookers.
Seriously though...
ISD LackOfFaith ~ "Your Catalyst was a hamster, and your Retriever smelt of elderberries"
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Paranoid Loyd
3788
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Posted - 2015.02.07 04:11:40 -
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ISD Ezwal wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:The problem here is that CCP called the mechanic "duel" in the first place. The name is broken, not the game mechanic. Please feel free to start a thread in Features & Ideas Discussion with a proposal to change the name to a more apropriate one. Like 'Brawl'...
How about Ackbar?
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!!!
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Ned Thomas
Hellbound Turkeys
Alliance of Abandoned Cybernetic Rejects
787
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Posted - 2015.02.07 04:14:03 -
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No, the name of a "duel" is not a problem. A duel means you are agreeing to go up against a single player. That player will have a large swath of tactics available to them, regardless of how those tactics are implemented. You will have every one of those tactics available to you as well. The outcome of the fight will depend on who uses the tools better.
Vote Sabriz!
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McChicken Combo HalfMayo
The Happy Meal
291
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Posted - 2015.02.07 09:45:50 -
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With the removal of the Incursus hull lance, dueling has lost it's touch. Buff dueling, add back the lance.
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Dun'Gal
Myriad Contractors Inc.
195
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Posted - 2015.02.07 10:20:58 -
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Ned Thomas wrote:A fair fight in Eve is accepting that you are "N" and your opponent is always capable of bringing "N+1" so you should strive to always be able to field "N+2" but be ready for them to put out "N+3" so just for safe measure you should keep "N+10" ready and always be able to laugh when "N+200" appears on grid.
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Joan Miles
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.02.07 11:27:56 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:The problem here is that CCP called the mechanic "duel" in the first place. The name is broken, not the game mechanic.
Holly actual space balls! A major "Why didn't I think of that" moment. Well spotted and said agent.
Hell maybe the CODE really always wins.  ... Oh wait I'm supposed to hate you. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
8782
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Posted - 2015.02.07 11:28:37 -
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McChicken Combo HalfMayo wrote:With the removal of the Incursus hull lance, dueling has lost it's touch. Buff dueling, add back the lance.
SAVE THE LANCE!
"I'm also quite confident that you are laughing
and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers."
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BrundleMeth
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
370
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Posted - 2015.02.07 16:53:32 -
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I have duel auto reject turned on. Problem solved... |
Vol Arm'OOO
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
354
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Posted - 2015.02.07 18:24:11 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Vincent Athena wrote:Godfrey Silvarna wrote:There are no fair fights in EVE. Get better intel on you target so you can anticipate and counter the tricks he is pulling. How does one gather intel on whether or not someone has had neutral RR during a previous duel? Is there a right click "get info" on that someplace? Seriously, eve is about making decisions. Making decisions requires information. If there is no reasonable way to get that information, then maybe game mechanics need to be changed to make the information available, or make it unnecessary. There you go. And therefore, without that information, the correct decision to make is not to duel. End of story, content does not happen because "anything to be leet". It should be possible that when someone challenges you to a duel, you should be able to pull up information on how many corpies they got in the system. One might imagine that the challenger should have this information, but a challenger has time on his hands and can do this before he makes the challenge. The Challengee, taking the same "right click on everybody in local" measure is going to look stupid taking a long time to respond. There is simply not enough time for someone who is not a full time duelist - meaning that we are just one hair away from "area play" anyway.
Nobody says that you have to instantly accept a duel before you do your due diligence - beside you can tell how many corp mates a guy has in system almost instantly - just add contact for his corp and boom there you go. OFC that doesn't tell you how many out of corp friends they have. But if you want to deal with that - just convo the guy and tell him you wont duel unless you are fleeted together and at a safe spot. Not perfect but at least you know that when he drops fleet during the duel that help is inbound.
I don't play, I just fourm warrior.
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Unezka Turigahl
Det Som Engang Var
592
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Posted - 2015.02.07 18:34:08 -
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I guess you will have to get a couple logi alts as well. Don't forget the OGB alt. I am sure CCP is having a deal on opening up new accounts right now. They always are. Give them more money so you can play the game properly, this is a P2W game after all. Don't forget to buy a few PLEX and sell them for the ISK to buy your high grade slave set. |
Elenahina
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
62
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Posted - 2015.02.07 18:38:12 -
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Shailagh wrote:Harrison Tato wrote:Why even accept duels? Just go to lowsec, somebody will fight you without asking permission first. 2 days ago was stalking some war targets killing time asking anyone thar undocked to duel. A freaking covetor accepted, then continued to warp to the belt. He must have had a bookmark cuz when i followed him to belt he was real far away. I then afterburn like 50k over to him, then blow him and pod for over 65mill. Dude said "uhhh whoops ment to click no. This aint fair" Lol seriously i get a lot of kills just duel spamming. If they cant read the "u mat die, ARE YOU SURE? U COULD DIE U KNOE, BE careful! U super duper sure u wanna duel??" And click yes/hit enter, game on, i win. Loser
I just turn on autoreject, unless I'm charged with webbing a freighter somewhere. It saves me the headache of clicking no all the time.
Agony Unleashed is Recruiting - Small Gang PvP in Null Sec
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Serene Repose
2177
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Posted - 2015.02.08 00:27:40 -
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Jazminum Conehead wrote:He is right though. Information is power and advantage. Nothing is, 'unfair'.
Edit: And people will exploit any kind of power in many inventive and possibly sadistic ways that are allowed here. If nothing was unfair, as you say, we'd be allowed to gank in the starter zones.
Treason never prospers. What is the reason?
Why, if it prospers, none dare call it "treason."
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Nevil Oscillator
167
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Posted - 2015.02.08 02:51:09 -
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Serene Repose wrote:Jazminum Conehead wrote:He is right though. Information is power and advantage. Nothing is, 'unfair'.
Edit: And people will exploit any kind of power in many inventive and possibly sadistic ways that are allowed here. If nothing was unfair, as you say, we'd be allowed to gank in the starter zones.
You can't gank in Starter zones ?
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Cannibal Kane
Blood Raiders Elite
4728
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Posted - 2015.02.08 13:33:47 -
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Nevil Oscillator wrote:Serene Repose wrote:Jazminum Conehead wrote:He is right though. Information is power and advantage. Nothing is, 'unfair'.
Edit: And people will exploit any kind of power in many inventive and possibly sadistic ways that are allowed here. If nothing was unfair, as you say, we'd be allowed to gank in the starter zones. You can't gank in Starter zones ?
Correction... You are not allowed to bug newbro's in starter/tut zones.
You can gank that hulk mining in the belt.
"Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk
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Moonlit Raid
State War Academy
Caldari State
235
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Posted - 2015.02.08 22:42:16 -
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Shailagh wrote:Harrison Tato wrote:Why even accept duels? Just go to lowsec, somebody will fight you without asking permission first. 2 days ago was stalking some war targets killing time asking anyone thar undocked to duel. A freaking covetor accepted, then continued to warp to the belt. He must have had a bookmark cuz when i followed him to belt he was real far away. I then afterburn like 50k over to him, then blow him and pod for over 65mill. Dude said "uhhh whoops ment to click no. This aint fair" Lol seriously i get a lot of kills just duel spamming. If they cant read the "u mat die, ARE YOU SURE? U COULD DIE U KNOE, BE careful! U super duper sure u wanna duel??" And click yes/hit enter, game on, i win. Loser
Until you're typing into a chat box and find you just closed a window you have no idea the contents of.
If brute force isn't working, you're just not using enough.
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jurgen b
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.02.08 22:57:05 -
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Hemoroids wrote:On several occasions I have both been invited and have invited other
players to duel. I don't see the point of having a duel if the
opponents fleet or corp members can just jump in and help with armor and
shield reppers. I really enjoy the the game but pvp play seems to be open
for improvement. Is there any way to ensure a fair duel or do I just need
to adapt my style of play?
D-scan: press button to scan or spam alot, we live in a futuristic space sim, but our ships can not auto-scan.
fleet boosts: we live in a futuristic space sim but yet we have magic which strengten our ships and buffs us with power.
The answer and counter to this type of magic, get a wazzard alt and start to perform the same magic.
somehow i believe the mind and creators behind eve wanted to let his game grow equal to the tech available at all times possible, but somehow we got stuck with magic :)
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jurgen b
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.02.08 23:19:42 -
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Cancel Align NOW wrote:Vincent Athena wrote:Godfrey Silvarna wrote:There are no fair fights in EVE. Get better intel on you target so you can anticipate and counter the tricks he is pulling. How does one gather intel on whether or not someone has had neutral RR during a previous duel? Is there a right click "get info" on that someplace? Seriously, eve is about making decisions. Making decisions requires information. If there is no reasonable way to get that information, then maybe game mechanics need to be changed to make the information available, or make it unnecessary. Define reasonable. I believe recording log in log out times of people who frequent my local is reasonable. I believe d-scanning gates when some one new appears in local is reasonable. I believe checking corporate history of everyone in local is reasonable. I believe checking killboard history of everyone who appears in local is reasonable.
yes idd, zkillboard, eve who, dotlan, eve market, API etc. all part of a true sandbox.
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Aldeskwatso
Highsec Heroes
Indecent Exposure Alliance
49
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Posted - 2015.02.09 15:00:56 -
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Most engagements are won before the first lock is ever made. This is due to that PvP is a game of deception. Any conflict engaged in with the intent of winning over another generally is. So fair does not really excist here.
The biggest obstacle you'll encounter doing anything is yourself.
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Lan Wang
Coreli Corporation
The Kadeshi
131
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Posted - 2015.02.09 15:04:35 -
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Hemoroids wrote:Is there any way to ensure a fair duel or do I just need
to adapt my style of play?
lowsec fw systems...
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Kaely Tanniss
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
231
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Posted - 2015.02.10 11:35:45 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:Godfrey Silvarna wrote:There are no fair fights in EVE. Get better intel on you target so you can anticipate and counter the tricks he is pulling. How does one gather intel on whether or not someone has had neutral RR during a previous duel? Is there a right click "get info" on that someplace? Seriously, eve is about making decisions. Making decisions requires information. If there is no reasonable way to get that information, then maybe game mechanics need to be changed to make the information available, or make it unnecessary.
There is nothing wrong with the mechanics of PvP and they don't need to be changed. Every decision you make cannot be an "informed" decision. You roll the dice..or you use your gut and/or experience. Is he baiting me? Does the duel seem fishy? Should I accept the dual on station or the market hub? These are all decisions you must make. There ARE tools you can use to determine risk..check their killboard for one. Unless you're completely new at the game, one should know better..and knowing better IS an informed decision. Remember, what's good for the goose is good for the gander..you too (I don't direct it at you personally) can use neutral logi and boosts. So in reality, it's not unfair. The one who works to have the advantage is usually the one who will win. There is no such thing as fair. 
If I had a nickel for every time someone said women don't play eve, I'd have a bag of nickels to whack the next person who said it..
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Hemoroids
The Scope
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.02.13 20:36:08 -
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Ok understood. Just like in real life expect to be anal raped and be the first to the Vaseline. Very good. |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
9774
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Posted - 2015.02.13 20:42:55 -
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Hemoroids wrote:Ok understood. Just like in real life expect to be anal raped and be the first to the Vaseline. Very good.
Your name is Hemoriods, you should be ok.
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HeXxploiT
Little Red X
95
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Posted - 2015.02.13 21:14:43 -
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CCP needs to set up a system where if two people decide to duel then they cannot be repped as long as the duel is going. If the dueling system actually worked it would get used thousands of times per day. I personally would love to engage in this type of pvp.
I can just imagine that it would look like an underground dogfighting pit with many pilots waiting around for their fair turn. Honestly I'll bet that in allowing a 1v1 or 2v2 or whatever pvp environment that the participants agreed upon were allowed to take place in highsec it would turn into a massively popular type of gameplay and I know I personally would happily put my faction ships on the line. The current system however sucks and nobody with a brain or sober would dare put expensive ships on the line because without a doubt the fight will be unfair as soon as the cheaters accomplices show themselves.
Here's to hoping that someday CCP will see the light and allow the actual fun to begin. |
Yige Shen
Mythical Exploration
2
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Posted - 2015.02.14 12:06:49 -
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Hemoroids wrote:On several occasions I have both been invited and have invited other
players to duel. I don't see the point of having a duel if the
opponents fleet or corp members can just jump in and help with armor and
shield reppers. I really enjoy the the game but pvp play seems to be open
for improvement. Is there any way to ensure a fair duel or do I just need
to adapt my style of play?
Win by a mile. If you want intel pick your fights specifically towards your ammo and what not.
Meanwhile in the supernatural realm a baby is born normal from it's level of power and brings a forbidden brother into the world to accompany him. Power that he will witness when he gets older.
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Celise Katelo
State War Academy
Caldari State
58
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Posted - 2015.02.14 13:26:17 -
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Shailagh wrote:Harrison Tato wrote:Why even accept duels? Just go to lowsec, somebody will fight you without asking permission first. 2 days ago was stalking some war targets killing time asking anyone thar undocked to duel. A freaking covetor accepted, then continued to warp to the belt. He must have had a bookmark cuz when i followed him to belt he was real far away. I then afterburn like 50k over to him, then blow him and pod for over 65mill. Dude said "uhhh whoops ment to click no. This aint fair" Lol seriously i get a lot of kills just duel spamming. If they cant read the "u mat die, ARE YOU SURE? U COULD DIE U KNOE, BE careful! U super duper sure u wanna duel??" And click yes/hit enter, game on, i win. Loser
I have the "Duel" option turned off for this very reason, getting spammed with "Duel" is a pain at times when ya trying to jump 
EVEBoard ...Just over 18million skill points, each skill was chosen for a reason. I closed my eyes & clicked another skill to train... "BINGO...!!!" ... "This time i got something usefull"
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Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders
Spaceship Bebop
3707
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Posted - 2015.02.14 15:59:47 -
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OP, I reccomend learning PVP out of highsec.
Highsec has it's own special rules and some of them are a bit weird.
Best to just take all that out of the equation while you're learning the basics of ship combat.
In lowsec you'll find many that will honor a 1v1 (if you explicitly ask before engaging). Several corps, such as my own, require their members to honor agreed 1v1s.
Make space glamorous!
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Agent Unknown
Night Theifs
DamnedNation
17
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Posted - 2015.02.17 20:30:22 -
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Haedonism Bot wrote:Barbara Nichole wrote:dueling already exists. drop a can and trust to your opponents sense of honor to uphold the terms of the duel. Much more realistic then a forced dueling mechanism. I think you may have failed to notice something in the devblogs like 2 years ago or so.
Shhh, don't tell him. He'll learn next time he takes from someone's can to "duel". |
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