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Stavros
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Posted - 2003.10.25 21:49:00 -
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Edited by: Stavros on 25/10/2003 21:55:21
As a final thought about that guy who basically called us exploiters.
Its just the nature of the game, when we were around it was stacking and lasers/projectiles.
Now its warp in camping and lag. Its just a way to win nothing more, there will always be some way of gaining advantage over your oponents and always people who have ability to find those methods.
We were just better at it than most, fact of the matter is, everyone goes lame m0o, cheat m0o, hacking m0o, then promptly goes and copies our tactics and setups.
You can't have it both ways sorry....
Anyway I dont want to rant on about m0o or whatever, just don't like Jade talking rubbish about us or that other guy whos name i cant be bothered to scroll up to read.
Its easy as hell to make stacks of cash in eve, if you know what you are doing. Even easier if you just plain out scam people, which I never did.
Once you have the cash u can be anything u want, trader, pirate, griefer even.
Stav
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Lliad
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Posted - 2003.10.25 21:52:00 -
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One of the major problem is that the early pirates could become rich very very quike. Rich enough that many players still havent caught up.
So really there is nothing for rich players to do other than pvp, and its current state it just isnt fun.(That dosent mean i want it to go back to the way it was at the start).
Thus the reason that many of the original players are leaving or have left.
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Gadgets
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Posted - 2003.10.25 21:53:00 -
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Group of pirates in position on warp path (between gate a and b) and one engages device.
Hauler drops out of warp and is engaged.
A good idea - but only in theory. Won't work in game. The hauler just has to take a look at the killmap (or the local) and take a little reroute in an endangered system, warping to some planet/moon a little away from the gate and then to the gate.
Twas nuthin but an idea.
I do think there should be some Balence tools of the trade for both the hunter and hunted.
I have read that there are only 4 points in the game where pvp can take place.. warp nodes basically .. my general idea is the ability for players to create thier own... In some way.. You know a miricle of science lol
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.10.25 21:53:00 -
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Edited by: Jash Illian on 25/10/2003 21:57:41
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Hmm interesting.
This shows the phycology of the Pirate.
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More importantly, your posting speaks volumes about your psychological makeup.
Namely, you can't resist a chance to spout about the failings of others.
I've known Stavros for a fair bit now ingame. From when he was Stavr0s. Many of those that did know him trully wish he'd drop the act, just for a minute, and let people know what was really going on at some point.
He wasn't just one of the most bloodthirsty, merciless pirates in the game. He was also among the richest. And his near universal dislike almost guarantees that he achieved that without exploiting. As I'm fairly certain specific people from above crawled through his account regularly for an excuse to get rid of him.
Pro-piracy cons-piracy theorist, Jash?
No, Joshua. Just a tiny bit of information dug out. I suspect Mara/Passari wasn't as random as people think it was. It'd be like saying there was no point in Obe.
Anyone that's been past Obe knows it's not just about a chokepoint.
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Joshua, maybe you should ask Stavros about this line in his post
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We had the first bships on the server and we did nothing but kill people all day (well that and make back handed deals and get rich easily).
Or ask Jade if she knows what the terms and conditions were for TTI's "humiliating NAP" were with m0o?
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.10.25 21:55:00 -
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Edited by: Joshua Calvert on 25/10/2003 22:00:14
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Hmm interesting.
This shows the phycology of the Pirate.
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More importantly, your posting speaks volumes about your psychological makeup.
Namely, you can't resist a chance to spout about the failings of others.
I've known Stavros for a fair bit now ingame. From when he was Stavr0s. Many of those that did know him trully wish he'd drop the act, just for a minute, and let people know what was really going on at some point.
He wasn't just one of the most bloodthirsty, merciless pirates in the game. He was also among the richest. And his near universal dislike almost guarantees that he achieved that without exploiting. As I'm fairly certain specific people from above crawled through his account regularly for an excuse to get rid of him.
Pro-piracy cons-piracy theorist, Jash?
No, Joshua. Just a tiny bit of information dug out. I suspect Mara/Passari wasn't as random as people think it was. It'd be like saying there was no point in Obe.
Anyone that's been past Obe knows it's not just about a chokepoint.
Don't tell me those fabled few rocks of infinite-unit arkonor are beyond Obe? 
Mara/Passari was a good point for camping - the only way out of Caldari space to anywhere else.
It also had a very handy spawn of 20K terrorists at the Passari sun, which, pre-loot table nerf, must have dropped some very nice stuff.
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Lliad
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Posted - 2003.10.25 21:58:00 -
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Mara/Passari was actually a stroke of genius by some players. Its also rather amusing that lots of players havent figured out why it was picked above most other points.
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Stavros
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Posted - 2003.10.25 22:06:00 -
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Edited by: Stavros on 25/10/2003 22:10:39
TTi never gave us anything, thats why the NAP fell through.
We were promised stuff in return for NAP, we never got the stuff, they never got NAP.
Simple :P
We got most of our kit from Stain (yes the same stain that HATES piracy)
Lol
Stav
Edited Just For Jash :P
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.10.25 22:08:00 -
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TTi never gave us anything, thats why the NAP fell through.
We got most of our kit from Stain (yes the same stain that HATES piracy)
Lol
Stav
Heh...I didn't say you actually got anything. I'm still curious what the terms were that were never met.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.10.25 22:09:00 -
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So, now that my suspicions are roused, exactly what is beyond Obe?
Can't be arsed to check map.
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Capn Blood
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Posted - 2003.10.25 22:23:00 -
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Can't help noticing that Stav shows up a lot to hijack Jade posts.
Bog off Stav and stop doing a White Dwarf!
Just face up to the fact that Jade is more famous than you, and that you no longer have a point or purpose.
And while you're at it, take your moronic condescending "formula" with you.
End Yourself (as someone who used to think their opinion mattered, used to say) now and stop dragging on and on like a Tory politician fighting for their position.
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"Trust no man who says to you that 'The ends justify the means' or who says that 'We will do whatever it takes...'.
These men have no honour, and are fit only to be politicians."
The book of Rab
Chapter 1, Verse 3.
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.10.25 22:24:00 -
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So, now that my suspicions are roused, exactly what is beyond Obe?
Can't be arsed to check map.
Obe? Just rocks mostly
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.10.25 22:32:00 -
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So, now that my suspicions are roused, exactly what is beyond Obe?
Can't be arsed to check map.
Obe? Just rocks mostly
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
I sure hope I win the Apoc in this weekends corp. raffle - I might go get me some of them rocks.
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agrizla
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Posted - 2003.10.25 22:37:00 -
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Hells bells Josh - you're not telling me you still only have one BS? 
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Ana Khouri
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Posted - 2003.10.25 22:49:00 -
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m0o got their first dominix from asgard industries - under some quite strange circumstances, too. But that is ancient history ;)
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Calladen Nimitz
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Posted - 2003.10.25 22:50:00 -
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An excellent summation of the pirates history in Eve - well done Jade 
I guess I agree with the majority of what you wrote. All the early "orgy of destruction" tied up the devs and I'm sure their continued nerf-fest patches have taken away valuable time from OTHER pursuits (like getting the higher level content into the game). If they didn't have to mess with all these killers and all the complaints we'd probably have mobile refineries already.
I guess you never asked the most important question. Why don't the hardcore PvP players just fight each other? I mean if its combat they so love I don't really see the need to suck in the non-pvp types? I mean if theres a whole class that loves combat why not stick the all in a region and "go for it". Why bother anyone else?
You forgot the worst term in gaming Jade...... GRIEFER ....... that person who so torments people they complain to the devs. The person who so violates any sense of decency ingame they are banned. The person who makes people so miserable they quit the game in disgust. The person who causes so much havoc the devs waste MONTHS trying to undo the damage with stuff like missile firing billboards and sentry guns everywhere INSTEAD of bringing us the high level content we desire.
Ask yourselves this. If people (the evil "carebears") had the choice of a non-PvP server would they do it? Probably yes. Their gameplay doesn't require the need for anyone else to die in order to have fun.
Calladen Nimitz 
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.10.25 22:51:00 -
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Hells bells Josh - you're not telling me you still only have one BS?
I can't use 2 at once so why would I need more?
I don't play the game to make vast amounts of money - I play it for the fun of it.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.10.25 22:57:00 -
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An excellent summation of the pirates history in Eve - well done Jade
I guess I agree with the majority of what you wrote. All the early "orgy of destruction" tied up the devs and I'm sure their continued nerf-fest patches have taken away valuable time from OTHER pursuits (like getting the higher level content into the game). If they didn't have to mess with all these killers and all the complaints we'd probably have mobile refineries already.
I guess you never asked the most important question. Why don't the hardcore PvP players just fight each other? I mean if its combat they so love I don't really see the need to suck in the non-pvp types? I mean if theres a whole class that loves combat why not stick the all in a region and "go for it". Why bother anyone else?
You forgot the worst term in gaming Jade...... GRIEFER ....... that person who so torments people they complain to the devs. The person who so violates any sense of decency ingame they are banned. The person who makes people so miserable they quit the game in disgust. The person who causes so much havoc the devs waste MONTHS trying to undo the damage with stuff like missile firing billboards and sentry guns everywhere INSTEAD of bringing us the high level content we desire.
Ask yourselves this. If people (the evil "carebears") had the choice of a non-PvP server would they do it? Probably yes. Their gameplay doesn't require the need for anyone else to die in order to have fun.
Calladen Nimitz
Without PVP there'd be no need for mobile refineries............
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agrizla
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Posted - 2003.10.25 23:03:00 -
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Hells bells Josh - you're not telling me you still only have one BS?
I can't use 2 at once so why would I need more?
I don't play the game to make vast amounts of money - I play it for the fun of it.
Umm you can have a lot more fun if you're not actually bothered about losing a BS. You are and that holds you back mate 
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.10.25 23:05:00 -
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Hells bells Josh - you're not telling me you still only have one BS?
I can't use 2 at once so why would I need more?
I don't play the game to make vast amounts of money - I play it for the fun of it.
Umm you can have a lot more fun if you're not actually bothered about losing a BS. You are and that holds you back mate
I'm not bothered about losing my BS - my role and position in the corporation means it is covered against loss under most circumstances.
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agrizla
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Posted - 2003.10.25 23:10:00 -
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Ah OK. I must be mistaken then - the impression I get of you is a very conservative player who isn't a risk taker. No offence implied or intended in that statement.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.10.25 23:13:00 -
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Ah OK. I must be mistaken then - the impression I get of you is a very conservative player who isn't a risk taker. No offence implied or intended in that statement.
None taken.
It's not that I'm conservative - I just don't feel a mad rush to do everything right away.
I do a little bit of everything.
This has nothing to do with this thread, by the way 
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agrizla
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Posted - 2003.10.25 23:18:00 -
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It's not that I'm conservative - I just don't feel a mad rush to do everything right away.
Heh - I'd hardly call 6 months a "mad rush" 
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This has nothing to do with this thread, by the way
Nor did your corp lottery
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.10.25 23:20:00 -
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Edited by: Joshua Calvert on 25/10/2003 23:23:54
Eh, I never said I wasn't guilty of the same thing
Most people don't really know anything of me than what they see on these forums - you'd be surprised if you knew what I do, what I get upto, and just how "conservative" I am.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.10.25 23:32:00 -
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"Most people don't really know anything of me than what they see on these forums - you'd be surprised if you knew what I do, what I get upto, and just how "conservative" I am."
... Hasn't the truth about bloodthirsty, cruel pirate hiding behind this cute goofy front been revealed already?.. ;s
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.10.25 23:35:00 -
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"Most people don't really know anything of me than what they see on these forums - you'd be surprised if you knew what I do, what I get upto, and just how "conservative" I am."
... Hasn't the truth about bloodthirsty, cruel pirate hiding behind this cute goofy front been revealed already?.. ;s
That guy ****ed me off actually - I pride myself on no smack-talk on local when I'm doing my business and would've prefered he kept it off the forums. I was doing my job and he made it sound like he was an innocent 
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agrizla
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Posted - 2003.10.25 23:43:00 -
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Most people don't really know anything of me than what they see on these forums - you'd be surprised if you knew what I do, what I get upto, and just how "conservative" I am.
Surprise us then Josh I only meant you were conservative in-game you know
I'm conservative by nature - which some of you may find surprising (or not) given that one of my hobbies is skydiving 
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.10.25 23:45:00 -
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Most people don't really know anything of me than what they see on these forums - you'd be surprised if you knew what I do, what I get upto, and just how "conservative" I am.
Surprise us then Josh I only meant you were conservative in-game you know
I'm conservative by nature - which some of you may find surprising (or not) given that one of my hobbies is skydiving
I'm not conservative in-game in regard to losing ships or putting myself in danger. That's what I thought you meant.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.10.25 23:46:00 -
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"That guy ****ed me off actually - I pride myself on no smack-talk on local when I'm doing my business and would've prefered he kept it off the forums. I was doing my job and he made it sound like he was an innocent "
Bah, no matter what you do someone always will complain; part of the job :s
Congratulations for the EV team on victory in the championship trials btw...
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.10.25 23:47:00 -
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thank you, j0.
I had confidence in our guys - they are very very good.
Let's get this thread back on track before I delete all these posts
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Drethen Nerevitas
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Posted - 2003.10.25 23:48:00 -
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Josh you don't really want to put me in the position of having to copy all that text down and repost it do you?
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