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Sergio Ling
Standard Operations Building Services
Maelstrom Alliance
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Posted - 2006.10.01 20:35:00 -
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I've seen that question about a dozen times in as many months. So let's try and answer it a bit by listing things that a\ren't caldari and yet, still pwn.
. Drones. Caldari really aint very good with them. small drone bays, nothing that can really take advantage of drones apart from as an afterthought
. Sniping. Missiles just don't cut it. Yes, you can hit out to range too (though not as extreme as some of these uber TII guns) but you've got a very delayed alpha strike. Ravens can't snipe. Yes, the new tier III battleship will snipe with rails, but it can't right now.
. Blasterboats. Deimos, Megathron, Rax. MWD in your face, lay on the pain. Highest DPS there is.
. Hauling. Badgers suck ass. Iterons can carry small moons.
. Recon Ships. Caldari get EW boats, which is all well and good, but consider the rest. super long range scramblers, webbers, nosferatu. Awesome
. ORE. Barges mine better than ravens do.
there's a lot more, and people will probably add to it (unless they roast me in the flames ofc.)
Moved from General Discussion. -Ivan K
 Originally by: Oveur
Internally dismissed as carebear whine, we quietly moved our Kestrels to another system.
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Reggie Stoneloader
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Posted - 2006.10.01 20:38:00 -
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As a Caldari pilot, I agree with you. I like my Kestrels, but otherwise you need a whole team of dudes to PvP in Caldari ships. Okay, the Crow's pretty terrific too.
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Verus Potestas
Caldari
Fiat Mort
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Posted - 2006.10.01 20:39:00 -
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Slow as hell
Can't tank and tackle
Boring
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Christina Vallentine
Caldari
Tau Ceti Global Production
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Posted - 2006.10.01 20:40:00 -
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I don't fly caldari for none of the above reasons. I don't fly caldari ships because they are UGLY. Every one of them comes complete with a badly painted redish line on them, how... nice.
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MECTO
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Posted - 2006.10.01 20:42:00 -
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cause u must waste missles and ammar not in PvE theyr ub3r 
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Mr Peanut
The New Empire
R i s e
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Posted - 2006.10.01 20:43:00 -
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Not that I don't agree, but I have to take away your point about hauling. Flying an Iteron Mk V is basically like flying a poor man's transport ship because it take almost the same training time (which is fully transferrable to transport ship training). Iteron Mk V was supposed to pwn. Once you get on transport ship-level they all pwn so much that I have to ask: Who really cares?
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Mr Peanut
The New Empire
R i s e
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Posted - 2006.10.01 20:45:00 -
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Originally by: Christina Vallentine
I don't fly caldari for none of the above reasons. I don't fly caldari ships because they are UGLY. Every one of them comes complete with a badly painted redish line on them, how... nice.
Don't forget the anal probes that are scattered across the surface of them. Too bad the Caracal doesn't @$$r@p3 in PvP as hard as it was apparently meant to . However, it still manages to penetrate the surface.
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Uninvited Guest
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Posted - 2006.10.01 20:51:00 -
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-Drones are for pussies
-Sniping: what about the Eagle? One of the best sniping ships out there..
-Blasterboat: again, the Eagle: a suprising ship with blasters.
-Hauling: The Charon has the biggest cargo bay of all the freighters.
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carric
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Posted - 2006.10.01 21:04:00 -
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If you got like 1bn to spend on a super-tanked BS f÷r 10/10 plex, you choose scorpion, yes a caldari ship.
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Arbenowskee
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2006.10.01 21:20:00 -
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Originally by: Uninvited Guest
-Drones are for pussies
-Sniping: what about the Eagle? One of the best sniping ships out there..
-Blasterboat: again, the Eagle: a suprising ship with blasters.
-Hauling: The Charon has the biggest cargo bay of all the freighters.
eagle one of the best snipers? u have to be kidding right? yes it can hit at nice ranges but thats all. just hit. it cannot kill. not much of a sniping imo.
blaster? are u on drugs m8? most t1 cruisers do more dmg with close range guns.
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Nikolai Nuvolari
Caldari
Gilead's Bullet
Kimotoro Directive
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Posted - 2006.10.01 21:25:00 -
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Originally by: DeadRow
When the rokh comes out it'll have one of, if not the, best sniper ship ingame. Pity they wont remove the targetting cap tho
So true.
The Rokh is really gimped by the fact that it can't use its range advantage.
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Nik = win. Period.
Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw
Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108!
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Nikolai Nuvolari
Caldari
Gilead's Bullet
Kimotoro Directive
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Posted - 2006.10.01 21:25:00 -
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Originally by: Uninvited Guest
-Sniping: what about the Eagle? One of the best sniping ships out there..
Are you familiar with the DPS of a sniper Eagle, which has only 4 turrets, mind you?
Originally by: Uninvited Guest
-Blasterboat: again, the Eagle: a suprising ship with blasters.
A relatively popular fitting, but overall extremely limited and only effective in a very few rare situations, and probably mostly used because people have invested in the skills for the ship and would rather throw blasters on it than retrain for a real close-range ship. The Zealot, Deimos, Ishtar, Munnin, and Vagabond all pretty much outclass the Blaster Eagle at short range.
--------------------- Originally by: Herko Kerghans
Nik = win. Period.
Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw
Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108!
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DeadRow
True Core
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Posted - 2006.10.01 21:25:00 -
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When the rokh comes out it'll have one of, if not the, best sniper ship ingame. Pity they wont remove the targetting cap tho
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Snikkt
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.10.01 21:28:00 -
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Originally by: Uninvited Guest
-Drones are for pussies
Tch.. Noob.. I'm guessing you've never had 5 Ogre II's on you lead by a very skilled drone pilot in a Domi?
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GO MaZ
No Quarter.
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.10.01 21:33:00 -
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Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari
The Rokh is really gimped by the fact that it can't use its range advantage.
Maybe not with t2 ammo, but with T1 you'll be able to use like antimatter out to 100km or something silly.
As for blasterboats, caldari set for tank have possibly the hardest tanks in the game. Sure, they're not sustainable but they can tank a huge amount of damage (eg. gankboats) for long enough to kill them (less so in the case of the mega, a neut II thron tears through most stuff, but the deimos isnt very effective against say... a cerb with 10k of shield  )
I personally don't fly caldari because it uses 3 things I really dont enjoy; missiles, ecm and shield tanks 
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Ath Amon
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Posted - 2006.10.01 22:00:00 -
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Edited by: Ath Amon on 01/10/2006 22:02:59
no worries!!!! the rokh is incoming to fix some of these things...
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. Sniping. Missiles just don't cut it. Yes, you can hit out to range too (though not as extreme as some of these uber TII guns) but you've got a very delayed alpha strike. Ravens can't snipe. Yes, the new tier III battleship will snipe with rails, but it can't right now.
Rokh will be probably a very popular long range sniper... 8 guns (similar damage to a mega), 50% range bonus not to say a strong tank.
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. Blasterboats. Deimos, Megathron, Rax. MWD in your face, lay on the pain. Highest DPS there is.
and.... here the Rokh... due to its range bonus mod and its 8 turrets it actually can outdamage a blasterthron (exept in very close range)
and probably wil be able to fit a good tank/gank setup.
mining:
rokh with 8 mining lasers, full tanked and a lot of stabs.... hard times for mining apocs...
for recon i think there is not much to complain... or maybe caldari should be also the master of scrambling, webbin, painting, nossing etc etc?
now it remains...
drones... ok gallente need something
and badger that sucks...
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MuffinsRevenger
EmpiresMod
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Posted - 2006.10.01 22:30:00 -
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becous dominix is moar evil and imba then them ravens or scorps, to put it in a simple way :p |
Tasty Burger
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Posted - 2006.10.01 22:34:00 -
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lol, caldari.
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.10.01 22:42:00 -
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Famous whorums fly Caldari and all their fanbois follow. 
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Blitzkrieg
The Older Gamers
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.10.01 23:04:00 -
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So true, I barely see any Caldari ships these days.
I can't wait for the tier 3 bs cause as it is, the caldari BS are totally useless, can't even npc in it!
Nerf Amarr, minmaturd and Gallente 
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Pattern Clarc
The Priory
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Posted - 2006.10.01 23:08:00 -
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Originally by: Christina Vallentine
I don't fly caldari for none of the above reasons. I don't fly caldari ships because they are UGLY. Every one of them comes complete with a badly painted redish line on them, how... nice.
QFT
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Kazaam
Section XIII
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2006.10.01 23:09:00 -
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Edited by: Kazaam on 01/10/2006 23:09:37
Originally by: Ath Amon
and.... here the Rokh... due to its range bonus mod and its 8 turrets it actually can outdamage a blasterthron (exept in very close range)
and probably wil be able to fit a good tank/gank setup.
Kinda disagree.
Even if I'm Caldari myself, the Rokh might not be an effective blasterboat due to the legendary Caldari's slug speed and agility, along with apparently no tracking bonus on the Rokh, which is kinda essential for blasterboats.
A good news with it's range bonus is it would easily use 350's II instead of 425's II. It would only suffer a 'slight' range penalty but the same 'slight' damage reduction. AND not to say, 350's II are far cheaper than 425's II these days :S
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Pattern Clarc
The Priory
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Posted - 2006.10.01 23:15:00 -
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Originally by: Kazaam
A good news with it's range bonus is it would easily use 350's II instead of 425's II. It would only suffer a 'slight' range penalty but the same 'slight' damage reduction. AND not to say, 350's II are far cheaper than 425's II these days :S
Wait...
Thats actually a pritty decent point!
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Beetle Boy
Minmatar
Cursed Spawn
Center for Disease Creation
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Posted - 2006.10.01 23:15:00 -
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Its nice to be Minmatar becuase you don't have to fly caldari and well i like b being differnet and having 50% of the game caldari i like being the smallest race |
Ath Amon
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Posted - 2006.10.01 23:36:00 -
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Originally by: Kazaam
Edited by: Kazaam on 01/10/2006 23:09:37
Originally by: Ath Amon
and.... here the Rokh... due to its range bonus mod and its 8 turrets it actually can outdamage a blasterthron (exept in very close range)
and probably wil be able to fit a good tank/gank setup.
Kinda disagree.
Even if I'm Caldari myself, the Rokh might not be an effective blasterboat due to the legendary Caldari's slug speed and agility, along with apparently no tracking bonus on the Rokh, which is kinda essential for blasterboats.
speed and agility are low, but you have also to consider that it actually doesn't need to be a very fast ship.
even whitout tracking comp/enh it should be able to outdamage a tempest/mael at 30km, tracking can be an issue but also consider that the difference in tracking between ACs and Blasters is not that big and pests/phoons have not a tracking bonus as the mega.
is it true that it will not be able to keep range against a mega that will outdamage it in close range... but conside also that it will have a waaaay better tank, expecially if it will be able to fit a tank/gank setup while the mega havo to decide between the 2.
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Siriyana
Astrum Contract Services Group
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Posted - 2006.10.02 00:55:00 -
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Scorps make mean EWAR battleships. 
Other than that, it's all about the Minnie and Gallente ships, baby.
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Noriath
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Posted - 2006.10.02 01:56:00 -
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. Drones. Caldari really aint very good with them. small drone bays, nothing that can really take advantage of drones apart from as an afterthought
Point taken, Caldari are not good at using drones. However, there has never been any time in Eve where drones ruled the Galaxy. What they can do for you in solo PvP may be great, but Caldari have plenty of options in solo PvP as well.
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. Sniping. Missiles just don't cut it. Yes, you can hit out to range too (though not as extreme as some of these uber TII guns) but you've got a very delayed alpha strike. Ravens can't snipe. Yes, the new tier III battleship will snipe with rails, but it can't right now.
After Kali Caldari will have the best of all sniperships, and a great gunship in general.
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. Blasterboats. Deimos, Megathron, Rax. MWD in your face, lay on the pain. Highest DPS there is.
Blasterships may look scary DPS wise, but close range combat is ruled by NOS in Eve, a module that can render blasters useless faster then you can say no cap!
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. Hauling. Badgers suck ass. Iterons can carry small moons.
Look at transports and freighters... Caldari have the best ones.
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. Recon Ships. Caldari get EW boats, which is all well and good, but consider the rest. super long range scramblers, webbers, nosferatu. Awesome
I will give this to you, The recons with webber and scrambler bonuses are indeed awsome and not of Caldari design.
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. ORE. Barges mine better than ravens do.
Even though Roleplay-wise the ORE corp is of Gallente origin, skill wise the barges can be used by anyone, without needing any racial skills.
Caldari are the most varied race in the game, and have specialized ships for all of the most powerful aplications. The most evident strength of theirs is battleships. They get the missile ship, the EW ship, and now the snipership - all of those are the best ship for a certain aplication that is incredibly powerful and useful.
Ravens are without a doubt the king of NPCing, and not too bad in PvP either, Scorpions are still the most feared ship in Eve, the reason they get called primary is not because they are so bad, and the Rokh will be the most powerful sniper in the game - especially after the range reduction that Tux talked about that is supposed to pull people back from the target cap.
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Wrayeth
Tabula Rasa Systems
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Posted - 2006.10.02 02:01:00 -
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The lack of mobility is the reason I fly Minmatar more than Caldari, even though my Caldari skills are superior on the battleship level.
-Wrayeth
"Look, pa! I just contributed absolutely nothing to this thread!"
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XGS Crimson
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Posted - 2006.10.02 02:03:00 -
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i resent this post... today myself and another pilot (me mega, allie raven) killed a rattlesnake... just us... doesnt need a fleet.
if you know how to use the ships they work.
take raven for example:
3 ecm webber scrammer sheild booster.
who needs a tank when they cant shoot you lol, we managed to pin down a rattlesnake and eat it... didnt even touch my armour (i was its target).. i will admit they have thier problems but solo pvp for caldari pilots is not a problem.
ECM WINS ALL FIGHTS! 350mils worth vs 7 bils worth... ecm won that fight.
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MECTO
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Posted - 2006.10.02 04:06:00 -
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Originally by: Kazaam
Edited by: Kazaam on 01/10/2006 23:09:37
Originally by: Ath Amon
and.... here the Rokh... due to its range bonus mod and its 8 turrets it actually can outdamage a blasterthron (exept in very close range)
and probably wil be able to fit a good tank/gank setup.
Kinda disagree.
Even if I'm Caldari myself, the Rokh might not be an effective blasterboat due to the legendary Caldari's slug speed and agility, along with apparently no tracking bonus on the Rokh, which is kinda essential for blasterboats.
omg! hyperion is blasterboat with no trackin boni so suxxor then 
and we know that domi + blasters can't be real too
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