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Famine Aligher'ri
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Posted - 2006.10.02 05:53:00 -
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This thread makes my eyes bleed. 
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MECTO
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Posted - 2006.10.02 06:05:00 -
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 Originally by: James Draekn
Recons - If in a Lachesis or Arazu I could shutdown (solo) 3 battleships I would love it, they at best can only shutdown 2 battleships. You can, in a Falcon or Rook. You have the range and jamming strength bonuses, so until the devs nerf ECM, you OWN this category by a long shot.
they don't wanna nerf ECM they wanna nerf non-ew oriented ships using ECM [Domi & Raven mostly]
regular stuff like scorp/rook/falcon r nothing to do with those.. all forms of ew is like balanced, just track. disruptors that suxxor 
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Cipher7
Dark and Light inc.
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Posted - 2006.10.02 06:05:00 -
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IMO Caldari is the most powerful faction in the game.
I rather be mediocre with a cooler looking ship.
<3 Minnie/Gallente
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Noriath
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Posted - 2006.10.02 06:31:00 -
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ECM oriented ships are just as stupid... ECM is just an idiotic system, as long as you can't fight without targeting there should be nothing that stops you from it...
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2006.10.02 06:33:00 -
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"Why Fly Anything But Caldari?"
Simple - PVP
Wherever you went - here you are.
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Grey Area
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.10.02 07:48:00 -
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Edited by: Grey Area on 02/10/2006 07:49:29
Originally by: Kazaam
AND not to say, 350's II are far cheaper than 425's II these days :S
You really think that's going to be true AFTER the release of the Rokh (which, incidentally, is a REALLY crappy name)
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Grey Area
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.10.02 07:58:00 -
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Originally by: James Draekn
Blasterboats - Do you realize what a MWD does to your sig radius, and versus a skilled pilot in a close range Torp Raven, ouch. A Torp Raven with a good pilot plugged in is more damaging then a blasterthron, and your weapons take zero cap. You don't have to worry about tracking and all your cap goes to tank. In a Blasterthron I have to MWD into range, once in range use my weapons (they use lots of cap, which still needs to be looked at by the devs) and all the while tanking your damage from the moment you locked me. Oh, and on the way in my sig radius is the size of a planet.
OK - assuming we are talking about equal sized ships and weapons, the sig radius thing is a smokescreen...making your sig bigger once the critical point has been reached does NOT increase the damage you take. The only time this comes into effect is if your blasterboat is (for example) a cruiser and you are going up against a Raven firing cruise or Torps.
But then you have a simple choice...go in slow and take less damage, but from more salvos, or go in fast and take MORE damage, but from less salvos (and of course, be in range for your weapons much quicker). It is also possible to pulse your MWD so that it's not active when you get hit (tricky with lag and all I know, but it IS possible)...this option gives the missile pilot a choice too...he can either group fire and hope to catch you with one big salvo with your MWD on, or he can chain fire and guarantee to catch you with at least SOME missiles for higher damage.
And you said "A torp Raven with a good pilot plugged in is more damaging than a Blasterthron"...not really fair to compare a good pilot to a poor one...if there is also a good pilot in the Blasterthron, then I know who my money would be on.
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.10.02 09:16:00 -
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I'm not convinced anyone would argue that Caldari aren't the best at PvE. Which is why they're so popular. The Kestrel, Caracal and Raven are almost perfectly designed to abuse the 'combat logic' of an NPC, with the added bonus of switchable damage types.
(Although only the Raven gets a 'global' damage type bonus, in the form of RoF).
For PvP, Caldari ships tend to get a back seat. The raven and scorp still have their place. At the back somewhere, because they're so slooow. Both Raven and Scorp are good support ships, but not really as hot for solo work.
In the other ship classes, I'm of the opinion that the other races have better PvP ships. Certainly in the T1 arena, T2 I'm less sure about, since I can't fly as many T2 ships.
For PvP in frigates or cruisers, I'd have to say minmatar or gallente would be my first choice. I'm ignoring amarr, as I'm utterly unfamiliar with the ships.
I like the caracal and moa, don't get me wrong, but the caracal just lacks firepower 230 dps with max skills and a T2 fit, falls far shy of the gankage that a max skills T2 fitted Thorax, Vexor, Rupture will do.
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Noriath
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Posted - 2006.10.02 09:27:00 -
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Come on, don't try to sell us slow as a real disadvantage in a game where all the real movement is done by warping anyways.
The fact is, Caldari do brilliantly in small gang PvP, you find Ravens in many a gang as prime damage dealers, especially with tech 2 torps out.
Scorpions are still all over the place and can single handedly turn the tide of a battle...
The upcoming Rokh is going to fill the only deficiency the Caldari have, which is inability to deal instant damage at range.
There is no reason to train anything but Caldari really. After Kali there is just nothing they can't do.
Look at Amarr by comparison, after Kali all they have is a huge dilema of figuring out how to benefit from the miniscule differences between their three guns + armor ships.
Gallente and Minmatar aren't hit quite as bad, but still, the Tempest will be pointless, because it doesn't matter if it has more DPS at close range then Maelstrom since Typhoon still has more them Tempest. And as for the Megathron being a long range ship? Well screw long range ships with tracking bonuses. Tracking is a total joke in Eve anyways, especially since the range mods a longrange ship HAS to fit boost it's tracking to ridiculous levels anyways.
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Rick Dentill
Lynx Frontier Inc.
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.10.02 09:49:00 -
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I guess its how you use them whether they are worth training or not. I have friends who use them very effectively in pvp and/or pve. I never really got the whole shield tanking thing so went for Armor boats. I made some silly selections when I made Rick and my attributes suck so I train drones as itĘs my only strong (ish) combination. This has limited me to Gallente and pilgrim/curse. I still fly my trusty badger Mk 2 though.
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Kazaam
Section XIII
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2006.10.02 10:14:00 -
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Edited by: Kazaam on 02/10/2006 10:15:08
Originally by: Grey Area
Edited by: Grey Area on 02/10/2006 07:49:29
Originally by: Kazaam
AND not to say, 350's II are far cheaper than 425's II these days :S
You really think that's going to be true AFTER the release of the Rokh (which, incidentally, is a REALLY crappy name)
I don't. The point is if you wanna prepare Revelations' release properly, it's time NOW to make yourself some reserves with cheap 350's II. No doubt I'm not the only one to have thought about that and probably more and more people will realize and vampirize 350's II stocks.
But anyway, ISKs aren't meant to be saved in a bank, but spent right ? 
Remember, chances you'll get a target at about 230kms would be, from my pov, somehow rare, fleet engagements usually start around 160-180kms, so 350's II would be fine enough for fleets.
Well depends the gang actually... if you manage to get a full Rokh gang aong with some support ofc, you may rip a jumping hostile gang off without even being scratched... maybe.
PS : Also forgot to mention 8x 350's II are easier to fit compared to 8x 425's II :o
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infraX
Caldari
Corsets and Carebears
Whips and Chains
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Posted - 2006.10.02 10:58:00 -
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Also remember that caldari need to pack their midslots full of shield tanking gear which doesn't leave space for propulsion or webbing/scrambling etc which is why most caldari ships are best suited to group pvp rather than solo.
That's just from a pvp point of view but many consider the raven to be the ultimate in npc'ing and missioning.
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Denrace
Amarr
Psykotic Dreams
Barracudas.
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Posted - 2006.10.02 11:04:00 -
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Im not too bothered as a whole, but I would just like to see a CALDARI DPS BOAT!!!!
Just one, please...
Smaller than a Raven too.
When I think about it, a certain ship comes to mind that would suit this nicely...
A BLEEDING NIGHTHAWK.
Get those damn bonuses changed, think - Big Kestrel
Den
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Dragy
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Posted - 2006.10.02 11:24:00 -
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What about tier 2 caldari bc =) ? It looks so nice, i hope that it'll use mostly hybrids ^_^
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Zulef
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Posted - 2006.10.02 11:43:00 -
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Originally by: Sergio Ling
. ORE. Barges mine better than ravens do.
Barges mine better than all the other races BS's though aswell
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Ithildin
Gallente
The Corporation
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Posted - 2006.10.02 11:49:00 -
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I think people in this thread has forgotten the main reason why one shouldn't fly Caldari ships.
They are fugly.
Sort of the same reason why one should avoid certain Minmatar ships, as well. And the Tormentor (aka Space Shrimp).
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Celeste Storm
Gallente
Elite United Corp
Antigo Dominion
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Posted - 2006.10.02 12:04:00 -
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Originally by: Ithildin
I think people in this thread has forgotten the main reason why one shouldn't fly Caldari ships.
They are fugly.
Sort of the same reason why one should avoid certain Minmatar ships, as well. And the Tormentor (aka Space Shrimp).
u mean like the trash 'o can phoon?  
Cel.
Originally by: Eldo Davip
(Forum Mod) People shouldn't whine because something got taken away which wasn't theirs to begin with.
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Kery Nysell
Caldari
Nysell Incorporated
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Posted - 2006.10.02 12:14:00 -
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Originally by: Dragy
What about tier 2 caldari bc =) ? It looks so nice, i hope that it'll use mostly hybrids ^_^
Sorry, but if what was announced stays true, the Tier 2 Caldari BC will be a missile ship ... the Ferox is the railboat, even if the cookie cutter noob friendly nbertank setup is made up with launchers ...
By the way, you can fit a real strong passive tank on a Ferox with railguns, I'm currently doing missions with my rail-Ferox, 11K of shields (10917 to be precise) with nice resists and a good recharge rate ... but you need a lot more skills.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Aerial Boundaries Inc.
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.10.02 12:16:00 -
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Caldari = Easy Mode
Blasterboats = Fun Mode
Fun Mode > Easy Mode, win or lose
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