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omega2 Gallente Jion Keanturi iPOD Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.02 01:25:00 - [1] hey torps should be nerfed couse t2 torps faster then cruise missiles and longer range then cruise missiles even then t2 cruise and doing more dmg then them
Emiug Caldari Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.02 01:35:00 - [2] nerf missile post #3248973245553 if that is what you are basing your theory on. t2 missiles slow you down. therefor making you easier to hit by guns guns can fire 2 if not 3 volleys in the initial time it takes to get a hit.... not to mention wrecking chances, sniping..... ------------------------ My Pink Carrier Pwns Eris's Pink Dread
FFGR Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.10.02 09:53:00 - [3] If you would spent like 5 seconds reading the stats you should see that t2 javelin torps have the same speed as t1 cruise and t2 precision cruise missiles. Just Clueless _____________________________ siggys v. 0.5
EeViLbOrNe ChIlDhAsPaWnD Revelation Inc.	Posted - 2006.10.03 10:25:00 - [4] Yea, I was gonna use t2 Rockets on my dictor... then my corp mate "corpmate: /me slaps Eevil."... T2 on a dictor... hrmmm slower then hell and easier to hit you... are you an idiot? you use t2 missles on a pvp setup, thats it. and only if you are in a well built gang that can protect you while you get your knees blown out like nancy kerrigan. Now hold still and I will show you what T2 weapons can do... come now, hold still! where are my 4 webbers to slow him down so i can hit him!!!!
S 761	Posted - 2006.10.03 10:45:00 - [5] Originally by: EeViLbOrNe ChIlDhAsPaWnD Yea, I was gonna use t2 Rockets on my dictor... then my corp mate "corpmate: /me slaps Eevil."... T2 on a dictor... hrmmm slower then hell and easier to hit you... are you an idiot? you use t2 missles on a pvp setup, thats it. and only if you are in a well built gang that can protect you while you get your knees blown out like nancy kerrigan. Now hold still and I will show you what T2 weapons can do... come now, hold still! where are my 4 webbers to slow him down so i can hit him!!!! And the point was? And now somthing more ontopic. I think you should try out the torps before u say that they should be nerfed. And study your facts before lieing on the forum:P tech II torps has the same speed tech 1 cruise. they're not faster.
Pinky Denmark	Posted - 2006.10.03 11:35:00 - [6] Hey Omega yes T2 torps are better than Cruise missiles - they are also very difficult to fit Pinky
Sandra Tseng THE MISPHIT'S	Posted - 2006.10.03 11:51:00 - [7] The EvE community has lost its collective sanity. WoW will take over the world _ Killed my sig AGAIN! :p http://www.ninc.org/krubarax/images/2d/verydisco.jpg
Verus Potestas Caldari Fiat Mort	Posted - 2006.10.03 11:56:00 - [8] Edited by: Verus Potestas on 03/10/2006 11:56:18 I would like to reclaim the braincells I lost reading your post. If these are not wired to me ingame at the soonest opportunity, you will be hearing ffrom my lawyer. Thank you. RAWR!111 Sig Hijackz0r!!11 - Immy
Taipan Gedscho Taipan Industries	Posted - 2006.10.03 11:58:00 - [9] Originally by: Verus Potestas Edited by: Verus Potestas on 03/10/2006 11:56:18 I would like to reclaim the braincells I lost reading your post. If these are not wired to me ingame at the soonest opportunity, you will be hearing ffrom my lawyer. Thank you. lol :) -- Only you can save MMORPGS - Stop whining today!
d026 Herrscher der Zeit	Posted - 2006.10.03 12:05:00 - [10] jay nerf missiles 11111!!!eleven
Aurora Tagan Amarr	Posted - 2006.10.03 12:08:00 - [11] FFS these kind of threads are getting soo old now... /me puts on flame proof suit....
Darius Shakor Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2006.10.03 12:22:00 - [12] Originally by: omega2 hey torps should be nerfed couse t2 torps faster then cruise missiles and longer range then cruise missiles even then t2 cruise and doing more dmg then them OK... First of all the long range tech 2 torps are meant to be 'long range' hence they are going to have a longer range than cruise missiles which is a lower class of missile. Same goes for damage. Torps are meant to be more damaging than cruise missiles anyway because they are an anti-battleship weapon. So I don't see the complaint. But faster than standard cruise missiles? No they are not. Look at the numbers: Fastest t2 torp: 3750m/s. Standard t1 torp: 1250m/s Fastest t2 cruise: 3750m/s Standard t1 cruise: 3750m/s. So even the fastest torp is the same speed as the fastest cruise missile. And it is only faster so it doesn't take forever to get to its maximum range. And the fastest cruise missile is not a long range missile but a high precision missile. But even if it was a long range missile it would not make sense for it to be a longer range than a higher class missile. So basically you have no argument. ------ Shakor Clan Information Portal http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=3
Lord WarATron Amarr Out Siders Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.03 13:55:00 - [13] My apples are not tasting like my oranges - Nerf Apples... I mean Oranges! Whats this - Banana? Nerf that as well pls! --- Slot 10 Akemons Modified 'Noble'Zet 5000 implant +8% Armour FREE
Countessa D'Marko	Posted - 2006.10.03 13:59:00 - [14] I like these threads, they make me larf !
MECTO	Posted - 2006.10.03 13:59:00 - [15] Rage Torp's are useless.. so b00st missiles!
TheEndofTheWorld	Posted - 2006.10.03 14:38:00 - [16] Edited by: TheEndofTheWorld on 03/10/2006 14:39:12 Cruise <-> Torp balance isn't as important as Missle <-> Guns balance. TBH I think a javelin torp dmg reduction(450 -> ~360) would be semi reasonable...
Eve Hel	Posted - 2006.10.03 15:17:00 - [17] Edited by: Eve Hel on 03/10/2006 15:17:53 Edited by: Eve Hel on 03/10/2006 15:17:07 get over it already you choiced cruiser missiles live with that choice, you get lower dmg and can hit small targets better than torps and you get a MUCH lower grid requirements on cruiser launchers than the siege launchers... you can not get it all in one weapon, one has to choice which one he/she wants.... looks like you choiced cruisers, glad i had intelligence anough to choice torps )... don't get me wrong torps has it weaknesses !, were as the cruisers can do useble dmg to small targets torps do not ! so as were cruise missiles can handle the frigs(not perfectly but they can ;P) torp simple can't. they are 2 different types of missiles works differently get over it
Horza Otho Minmatar Silver Star Federation	Posted - 2006.10.03 15:42:00 - [18] Originally by: omega2 hey torps should be nerfed couse t2 torps faster then cruise missiles and longer range then cruise missiles even then t2 cruise and doing more dmg then them lol, idiot.
Sal Alo	Posted - 2006.10.04 18:20:00 - [19] please guys stop saying "do nerf missiles". By me all the weaps need BALANCING, but IMHO nerfing is ever bad.
Hornious1	Posted - 2006.10.04 20:12:00 - [20] Someone please explain the "T2 missiles slow you down".
Eve Hel	Posted - 2006.10.04 20:16:00 - [21] Originally by: Hornious1 Someone please explain the "T2 missiles slow you down". A modified version of the Mjolnir Torpedo. It can reach higher velocity than the Mjolnir Torpedo but needs to reduce the speed of the ship to compensate. their you go m8.
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.04 20:16:00 - [22] Originally by: Hornious1 Someone please explain the "T2 missiles slow you down". Some t2 missiles give a velocity penalty to your ship when loaded. You can choose between turtle or snail speed by loading/unloading the ammo. :) --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Verus Potestas Caldari Fiat Mort	Posted - 2006.10.04 20:28:00 - [23] Originally by: Hornious1 Someone please explain the "T2 missiles slow you down". Fitting precision/javelin missiles slows your ship down (to like 20% top speed in a raven) RAWR!111 Sig Hijackz0r!!11 - Immy
Kazaam Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2006.10.04 20:30:00 - [24] Edited by: Kazaam on 04/10/2006 20:31:15 Not to mention, in pvp, missileboat <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< gunship. For example, let's say about 100kms. Considering, in the same example, a theorical speed of a Javelin torp of 5km/s : - All torps launched on alpha will take 20 seconds to reach its target. - All guns fired on alpha will insta damage the missileboat, not to mention the gunship will have time to project 2+ full salvo to it. See the point ? even T2 missiles doesn't need another nerf. Never. P.S. : Not to also mention that without support, 20 secs is freacking enough to warp before the torps even make 25% of the flight -_- P.S. 2 : The only case I'd use a T2 missileboat would be for close-range-gank purposes only. _________________________________________
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.04 20:37:00 - [25] Originally by: Kazaam - All torps launched on alpha will take 20 seconds to reach its target. - All guns fired on alpha will insta damage the missileboat, not to mention the gunship will have time to project 2+ full salvo to it. See the point ? even T2 missiles doesn't need another nerf. Never. This is yet another example of strange reasoning. You are using a missile ship to try and snipe with (100 km?) to prove your point...? :) What about when the missile ship is within 20km of another ship? Then he WONT get 2 full salvo off, and his insta damage advantage is pretty much nullified. So... tough cookies? =) Please look at the situations where people feel they are overpowered if you are going to make a argument for or against them. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Kazaam Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2006.10.04 20:40:00 - [26] Originally by: Jim McGregor This is yet another example of strange reasoning. You are using a missile ship to try and snipe with (100 km?) to prove your point...? :) What about when the missile ship is within 20km of another ship? Then he WONT get 2 full salvo off, and his insta damage advantage is pretty much nullified. So... tough cookies? =) Please look at the situations where people feel they are overpowered if you are going to make a argument for or against them. Originally by: Kazaam P.S. 2 : The only case I'd use a T2 missileboat would be for close-range-gank purposes only. _________________________________________
Dragerest Omega Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.10.04 21:51:00 - [27] nerf eve. i like to sit in station and spin. but my corp mates make me come out of station(which is just dumb.) i mean come on. spinning is station is the best why waste your time going out, with all those scary NPCs, and lets not forget those evil pirates. if you nerf all of eve than there is no wasted time "training" i mean come on who likes to train for better guns ammo and mods? NOONE. so from now on i vote to nerf eve people that wait 12-30days to use better ammo or guns are just stupid people and should have rocks throw at them. please let me have my ibis back with its fully fitted gun and miner please. the end. ________________________________________________________ nerf WCS and POST WITH YOUR MAIN
Hornious1	Posted - 2006.10.05 03:32:00 - [28] My 2nd account has 5mil SP in missiles and 1mil SP in gunnery. Is it worth it to start back on gunnery for the new Tier3 ship or should I just continue improving missiles?
Crellion Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2006.10.05 05:24:00 - [29] Torps are better than close range turrets at long range and better than long range turret at close range (but only just) and they also do shiny explosions... ALSO if 1 missle ship duels 1 turret ship at long range (so long as its not an apoc) and they both turn their tanks on and they both have freeze screen for 5 mins chances are Raven will win (if using Large shieldbooster and not XL) Nerf teh Raben111
Faruda	Posted - 2006.10.05 11:03:00 - [30] Torps are the only reliable PVP weapon of Caldari(except ECM which at all not so great as thinks pilots en-masse), so lets nerf Caldari PVP ability to zero. I think ECM nerfing will also be good for this holy target. And let's rename Caldari Carebeari. So everybody will be happy.

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